[the-dream]

I was just wondering if any of you guys who have lived in SEA, EE, SA or wherever else for an extended period of time ever decided you'd had enough or could have a better life back in the West? What drove you to that, how did it turn out and what are your thoughts on the topic now?

[Suits]

BallsDontLie shared at some point on this forum about moving back to the US after years in China with the intention of settling back into his home country permanent. I think he was back in China in less than 2 months. It didn't take long at all for him to realize that the US was not a place he wanted to live.

I personally went back and forth between China/The US/Canada for about 6 years before finally deciding to live here permanently in 2014. The reason for the nomadic existence was that I wasn't finished school yet and would go back and knock off a semester or two each time before heading back to Asia to do some more real life learning.

A number of people who know me here in Beijing have asked me recently whether I plan on staying here permanently. My answer is always no, but that I also have zero intention of returning to my home country of Canada. When I leave mainland China, it'll be to go to another country, either in Asia or South America, but definitely not anywhere in the anglosphere. I have no need for the politically correct environment nor the snobby women who think that they are God's gift to the world.

[CleanSlate]

Why are you asking? I’m just curious what’s behind the question.

[pancakemouse]

Yes. Spent three years abroad, now back in the US and will probably never leave.

Why?

1. American efficiency. Shit just gets done here.
2. Economies of scale. We have tons of people, companies, a huge economy. We get the best stuff first.
3. American girls. We have all races and cultures here, and the girls are fun and sexually open. Not to mention that cocky/funny and alpha stuff works like a charm on them, which is my game.

[Polniy_Sostav]

10 years out of West , 6 in softer West (poor and village west ) and 4 in EE , have absolutely no plan to go back.

[Heightcel]

Just returned to the Netherlands after 4 months in Mexico,
Feels very difficult to get girls here, its cold all year, but shit gets done.

Already thinking of planning my next trip to Colombia, the sun is so important for my general health and well-being it seems.

[icrus]

(01-10-2018 09:22 AM)Suits Wrote:  

BallsDontLie shared at some point on this forum about moving back to the US after years in China with the intention of settling back into his home country permanent. I think he was back in China in less than 2 months. It didn't take long at all for him to realize that the US was not a place he wanted to live.

I personally went back and forth between China/The US/Canada for about 6 years before finally deciding to live here permanently in 2014. The reason for the nomadic existence was that I wasn't finished school yet and would go back and knock off a semester or two each time before heading back to Asia to do some more real life learning.

A number of people who know me here in Beijing have asked me recently whether I plan on staying here permanently. My answer is always no, but that I also have zero intention of returning to my home country of Canada. When I leave mainland China, it'll be to go to another country, either in Asia or South America, but definitely not anywhere in the anglosphere. I have no need for the politically correct environment nor the snobby women who think that they are God's gift to the world.

Same here with Russia. I would consider returning to the Balkans but that's probably not until old age when I want my own village by the sea. When I leave Moscow it's probably going to be for South America at some point. I see no point in returning to the rules and regulations in every part of your life that is Western Europe (in my case).

[Razors Edge]

You're not going to believe this because I didn't either...but fucking loads of girls and dealing with their bullshit gets old after a while and your priorities change...for example money.
It all depends on where you are in life and what your priorities are as you get older you also change a fair bit.

[LoveBug]

We have to define paradise.. If it’s a place where, just because your a westerner or white or what have you, that 7+s en masses give you easy access, I think the forum is still searching. If it’s just a developing country where you get bumped up SMV and can play economic advantage status as well, there are trade offs. I’d consider my beloved Guatemala in this equation since I think it fits. I get more attention there, my SMV is greater, I can throw money around etc. In the end, I think it’s 50/50. Half the time I want to be there, half the time in my native California

To me American girls are certainly more classy in their first world hygiene/mannerisms, but can be considered to be more attractive than girls who don’t look like you, particularly if your a white American. Eastern Europe might be a different situation

If your in a place where your a visible minority, no matter how welcome the society is, you will get some haterade here and there

First world convenience, food, sanitation, infrastructure is more convenient

I think it depends on age too. When your young I can see why you wouldn’t mind the trade offs. By the time your in your late 30s it’s more of a debatable prop IMO

Depends on game level too IMO to some degree. Do you need the SMV bump or can you still get pussy not too hard in the West? When I need the bump I’ll answer different

[This Is Trouble]

(01-10-2018 10:46 AM)corsega Wrote:  

Yes. Spent three years abroad, now back in the US and will probably never leave.

Why?

1. American efficiency. Shit just gets done here.
2. Economies of scale. We have tons of people, companies, a huge economy. We get the best stuff first.

This.

I don't have plans to move back, but if I did, it'd be because of these 2 points.

[kirdiesel]

I think I would not mind moving back after I am married with kids and totally settled down. Game time is over etc etc etc

As long as you are making a decent income the US has Germany beat hands down on quality of life.

[azulsombra]

(01-11-2018 10:02 AM)kirdiesel Wrote:  

I think I would not mind moving back after I am married with kids and totally settled down. Game time is over etc etc etc

As long as you are making a decent income the US has Germany beat hands down on quality of life.

How so?

[el conquistador]

Paradise is a nice idea, but it's about as real as Santa Claus or the Easter Bunny.

Being retired, living on a tropical island, spending everyday sleeping in a hammock at the beach and fucking local girls would be boring and unfulfilling after a certain point.

You can be "happier" in certain places compared to others, but everywhere has pluses and minuses.

[Truth Tiger]

I've spent a few months in Eastern Europe spread out over two years. Seriously was considering relocating if Shrillary had won. Decided for reasons mentioned above that the US is where I need to be for the foreseeable future. I'm maximizing my ability to influence my field of interest, make and save money, and soon relocating domestically for improved QoL.

The general inefficiency of govt processes, lazy / woe-is-me and anti-American attitudes of many people I met overseas convinced me it was no paradise. The language barrier also sucks and you're always an outsider. Worth having a fall back country or favorite vacation spot but I'm definitely about making the most of my opportunities here. With the way Trump and co. are shining lights on and cleaning out the bullshit and corruption, I'm even more proud to be an native-born American!

[Rossi]

I don't know why everyone is a such a big deal about West.

Yes, it has with few cons and stuff but I think people are over-reacting. I've seen almost every country in Europe and most countries in South America, I'll move to New York tomorrow if I make enough $. It all depends about how much you make.

Let's say, if you make $2000 a month on online, it doesn't make sense for a person to stay in New York. You can go to Kiev or Lviv and have a blast there but if you make net $10,000, I would never live anywhere else than New York City.

I think New York is the best city in the world. I wouldn't even think twice to go back to New York.

But if you mean "West" as in London, Chicago, Munich, Washington or Kansas City, yes I wouldn't move.

[Pointer]

You would think that red pill high IQ guys on this forum would run away from American values and women in general but I'm always surprised to see such a warm attitude towards one of the worst countries in the world.

American women are generally seen as low class in Europe. I remember having a discussion with a bunch of well traveled Polish guys a few years ago and they pretty much summed up the average American girl: entitled, loud, no skills, zero sense of fashion and unpleasant to be around. You would think that these guys would be brainwashed by American movies and media but in reality they were red pill without even knowing it.

If you are rich and famous in the US your reputation and potentially your wealth can still be destroyed 10, 20, even 30 years down the line. Just look at the latest rise in rape allegations from wealthy women past their prime starving for attention. Do they target the high school jock who got them drunk and had their way with them ? Do they remember the gang bangs with Chad and his friends after snorting coke ? Of course not. Nobody knows those guys, how will they extract a monetary settlement or media attention ?

You guys believe Trump will change a lost generation ? These girls are brainwashed since childhood. Good luck with that.

[Jungle]

For many years now, I've been living half the year in the West and half the year in the East (mostly FSU).

Here's the break-down...

The advantages of the west (developed world) are:

- Family & friends
- Making money in a location dependent business.
- Safety / regulation / infrastructure / public services e.g. healthcare, education.
- Natural beauty & access to nature activities (for example, the Beaches in Australia & the Skiing in Canada is the best in the world)

The advantages of the east (developing world) are:

- The women.
- The inspiration and meditative peacefulness that comes from living in a non-toxic, non-militant-feminist, anti-family society and culture.
- Experience-rich lifestyle... and enjoying the finer things in life.
- Making money from a location independent business.
- Potentially, searching for a baby-mama.

*For the sake of context - I make a western-level salary when I live in the east, so this changes my perspective of course.

Personally, I think living full-time or part the year in the FSU is an amazing option between the ages of 20 to 35. At this age men need to experience all that the world has to offer, and being outside of one's comfort zone.

After 35 I plan to discontinue living abroad and have a traditional family back in the west, mainly for the reasons that the lifestyle and culture is less complicated and allows my parents to be close to the grandkids.