[jibj]

I know someone who would have bloody stools and incredible pain anytime he ate wheat products. He started buying unground wheat and grinding it at home with a nutrimill (small wheat mill). It has now been three years and he has been happily eating wheat products without any problems whatsoever, as long as they are fresh ground and home made. I believe his gut has now healed ot the point where he can occasionally eat store-made wheat products.

Wheat you buy in the stores is stale, and normally has the fatty part of the wheat removed to prolong shelf life. There are numerous varieties you can use, one of the highest protein containing varieties is hard red.

[DRE]

Renton1875 and Ringo, you both make some fair points. I do agree that there is good evidence that there are links between gut bacteria and certain disorders by one mechanism or another (depression, obesity, IBD, etc). A link does not equal causation, however. I do agree that there is a strong interaction between lifestyle, environment, diet, and health. My problem is giving people a diagnosis that is not medically proven yet (though it surely may be gaining popularity, I still attest it is not a proven medical diagnosis).

I do take back my comment about discussing it. I guess when I really think about it, the topic should be fair game. The danger, however, is people giving themselves this diagnosis when something else may be going on. To make a diagnosis there should be criteria and if this is truly a diagnosis, criteria do not exist at this point in time. Otherwise you have what we have here - people throwing out any GI symptoms that they in a post about "leaky gut" (see posts about reflux type symptoms or blood in stool).

Nonetheless, I think what you guys are advocating with the ACV is unlikely to have any negative effects on anyone, and thus, even if it does not have any direct benefit (or provide placebo effect), I do not feel like it is likely to have specific harm. So I say go for it. Thanks for the counterpoints guys. This actually makes for a fairly good discussion.

[Undercover]

I know ginger helps.

[Truth Tiger]

Must watch (no 'TL;dr' for these videos, my brothers!):

Dr. William B. Davis, M.D., has a book 'Wheat Belly' that I haven't read but would have all the evidence you need to eliminate glutens from your diet. The lecture, 'Wheat the UN-Healthy Whole Grain' on Youtube is great. He explains what he's observed in his clinical practice, the research he's come across that identifies effects of wheat consumption (increases schizophrenic symptoms in those diagnosed - wheat acts like an opiate on the brain), how wheat consumption ties to both weight gain and IBS / Crohn's / auto-immune diseases. Really a good video and he even touches on the topic 'why does government allow this to happen? is it negligent or willful?' He doesn't think it's willful in that video, but another interview (audio only, also on Youtube) he admits it probably is (which is what I believe too). Talk about having poison right in front of you at the dinner table and not knowing it...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UbBURnqYVzw


Dr. Robert Lustig, M.D., is featured in 'Sugar: The Bitter Truth' which went viral on Youtube. There is also a documentary 'Sugarcoated' which is required viewing for anyone with kids or who is close to young kids. The candida phenomenon is very real and likely accompanying anyone who has digestive issues and consumes sugar, drinks beer or wine.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBnniua6-oM

Plus a great TEDx talk 'Sugar - The Elephant in the Kitchen'

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gmC4Rm5cpOI

I *highly* recommend watching 'The 12 Bad Foods to Avoid and Why' by Dr. Peter Glidden, N.D. He explains why BBQ is bad, soda or carbonated beverages should never be drunk with meals, and other foods / processes to avoid. I have really seen my health and well-being improve since I've made these challenging but rewarding choices. It's the best 20 min you can spend informing yourself about what to put into your body.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9WCzq-a1z7A


I also recommend watching Dr. Joel Wallach's presentation 'Somebody Needs to Go to Jail'

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cZUW_msobAs

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Longer version:

This is a topic I've got direct experience with, battling what I self-diagnosed as leaky gut / IBS / gluten intolerance.

Background info:

Early 40s, blood type O, Middle Eastern / European mix. No significant health issues, regular blood donor, pulse typically 60-70, bp 120/80. Mesomorph who can gain or lose weight pretty quickly, but have fought a bit of a belly since my 30s. Digestion started to get wacky in my mid 30s and I had to look more deeply into why. Don't drink very much at all, no smoking and no hard drugs. My father did die of heart disease brought on by type 2 diabetes. I didn't know the correlation until after he'd been diagnosed with heart disease but it was very late in the game and I couldn't help much as much as I wanted. So I decided when he died 6 years ago that I would keep his legacy alive best I can by taking better care of myself and that's been my commitment. I consider myself a life and health coach, without 'formal' training but I'm scientifically-trained and comfortable reading journal to gather significant facts. Denise Minger's RawFoodSOS is a good place to inform oneself, as is Mark's Daily Apple.

Dietarily, I have always gravitated toward meat and vegetables rather than excessive pasta and grains (which interestingly is also what my 'type' suggests, per the work of Dr. D'Adamo and his father in 'Eat Right for Your Type'.)


Before anyone dismisses it, the truth is you really don't know if it's true or not. I suggest humbling your mind, finding out your type (easy way is to go to American Red Cross or another local blood bank, give blood and they'll inform you afterward) and then what foods you crave vs. could do without. Also pay attention to foods that are NOT recommended for you. And by 'what you crave', I don't mean junk, I mean what REAL foods your body likes and reacts well to. Mangos are a plug on my list and they're a favorite fruit but I hate watermelons, always made me very gassy and those are not recommended.

Through my 20s I was able to eat pretty much anything I wanted and didn't get fat. Cake, ice cream, bread, pasta, late at night, occasional pig-outs, etc. But I always was sensitive to diary (diarrhea soon after having ice cream) so I knew that was a trigger. In my 30s my body would react more negatively to most of those carb-based foods, whether from a slowing metabolism or just overworking my digestive system.

A couple years ago, around when I turned 40, I began noticing multiple symptoms that suggested I had either irritable bowel syndrome (IBS) / leaky gut, and various autoimmune conditions like eczema on my hands and face, sometimes arms or legs. Urgent bowel elimination, general churning and discomfort, random weird headaches that weren't about dehydration or lack of sleep. If I went without wheat for a while then had a couple pieces of bread, within a few hours my intestines were feeling uncomfortable and I had much more watery stool (nearly diarrhea sometimes) than the previous several movement. Being a scientist, I keep track of these things and see if there is a correlation or not. I noted that diary had a few effects, wheat similar but also some unique ones, fried foods others, lots of sugar made me itchy in a short period (candida). It was clear that my choice of foods was impacting my health and because I needed to be on-point with my health to run my business and also be / stay attractive to date fresh young girlfriends, I was motivated to improve.

As I did research into causes, a friend told me about the GAPS diet (Gut and Psychology Syndrome). Some info here from the website linked below:

Quote:

The GAPS diet was derived from the Specific Carbohydrate Diet (SCD) created by Dr. Sidney Valentine Haas to naturally treat chronic inflammatory conditions in the digestive tract as a result of a damaged gut lining. SCD gained great popularity after a mother, Elaine Gottschall, healed her own child of Ulcerative Colitis and became an advocate for SCD. Elaine Gottschall is also the author of the popular book, Breaking the Vicious Cycle:Intestinal Health Through Diet. Through years of research and clinical experience, Dr. Natasha Campbell-McBride adjusted her protocol to fit the individual healthcare needs of her patients suffering from a variety of intestinal and neurological conditions as a result of an imbalanced bacterial ecosystem within the GI tract. The GAPS Diet focuses on removing foods that are difficult to digest and damaging to gut flora and replacing them with nutrient-dense foods to give the intestinal lining a chance to heal and seal.

http://www.gapsdiet.com

Bone soup is all the rage in health circles now, and for good reason. We made a recipe that combined beef bones and chicken backs, so you didn't have the overwhelmingly 'beefy' typical bone soup as the chicken gave it a more comfortable and familiar flavor. With some simple allowed seasonings (oh, and Himalayan or other sea salt, with some iodine added for proper supplementation) it was really delicious! I started drinking about half a cup before every meal and was very careful to stay away from the forbidden foods. I couldn't pound a whole cup but having it first thing in the morning, then waiting . I also took some probiotic supplements, along with morning DHEA (50mg), NAC, and beta glucan.

It took about 3 weeks, but I started to see improvements in my terrible hand eczema, WITHOUT the use of steroid creams as a family member (dermatologist) recommended. My digestion was improving, my face was less puffy. I remember with amazement how my hands went from looking like a lizard to being smoother than I'd ever remembered especially since starting my manual-dexterity-requiring business.

I was feeling MUCH better, but it still wasn't enough. The next level for me was to give up dairy. That was a tough one, as I'd gotten used to heavy cream in coffee, Strauss / organic ice cream now and then, raw cheese occasionally, etc. Pairing wine and cheese is such a pleasure! I had been been reading Mark's Daily Apple for a while and came across comments from Art de Vany. The guy is an animal, love his advice and his 'natural' style of functional weight training. He was adamant that drinking or eating dairy is highly inflammatory and allergenic. I KNOW it is for me. So I made that commitment.

In about two weeks, I lost about 10# of total weight (water and fat) not having a drop of cow's milk in my diet. I was actually floored. I could see definition in my abs that had always been covered by an annoying layer of fat. It had nothing to do with exercise as I'd kept the same routine for months. It was just a matter of what I was eating. For the first time since who knows how long, my digestion was solid. I didn't have to rush to the bathroom after a meal, or deal with tons of gas. I felt normal, and free. I also looked and felt way younger so it wasn't like I was losing anything other than the discomfort of going against my biological needs.

Along with this, I researched the necessary nutrients my body needed to stay health. There are great threads about supps on here and i don't have them linked, but if you search for 'zinc made me a better man' and related topics in health you'll find it. I developed some protocols that I follow and continually tweak, but have been feeling years younger and been able to maintain stronger, longer erections and really feel like a 'rockstar' in bed (not been having sex as much as I'd like right now but working on that). I also have excellent energy, able to focus 12+ hours a day on my business and hobbies.

The 'Mighty 90' recommended by Dr. Joel Wallach, DVM, N.D., makes good sense. I used their supps for a while (youngevity is his brand) but as I went deeper I found the proportions didn't make sense (like the amount of vit A in the beyond tangy tangerine powder, or the Ca:Mg ratio in the OsteoFX) which struck me as strange. Maybe he was designing them for people who had specific deficiencies but I didn't have those. I think his information is very sensitive and well-researched, but the formulation weren't as targeted to my needs as I could do myself. So I've made my own cocktail. If anyone is interested in support for a specific ailment, you can google / youtube 'dr wallach {disease here}' and lots will come up. Dr. Glidden is also very informed and not quite as long-winded. Pharmacist Ben Fuchs is also great (not a nutritionist but aware of a lot of health care). He looks great for his age and has good recommendations on skin care. Could go on and on, but want to stay more targeted on the gut issues.

I also came across the topic of 'biological immortality' which I believe was in a comment that Art de Vany made or someone else in a post. It's worth researching. The general dietary recommendation for men once you reach your 30s is to eat primarily paleo. In your teens to 20s, you can eat more mixed diets. This jives with me and what I've found helps me feel healthy, look healthy, and stave off chronic disease. I make my food my medicine, as
Hippocrates says.

DISCLAIMER: I am not selling supps or 'kratom', just providing information.

[Renton1875]

Not wanting to hijack Ringos thread, even though the connections between candida and leaky gut are gathering ground.

A candida thread exists on the forum:
thread-15028.html

Scary, some called it . MikeCF took part early on and seemed to have some success in his fight, watching him on periscope recently he certainly doesn't suffer from chronic fatigue.

(09-22-2016 10:50 AM)rottenapple Wrote:  

(09-22-2016 10:21 AM)Kid Twist Wrote:  

What's the best anti-candida diet? I don't want to overdo it, there is a lot of speculation, I'm actually an MD, but all I know for a fact is that due to loose bm, i ended up getting irritation that was cured by nystatin

That right there showed me it was candida overgrowth.

I am physically fit, exercise, and have been a picture of health for all of my life. I have no symptoms other than the psyllium requirement to make things firmer.

How far do I have to go with diet to make things more regular, or less hospitable for the yeast, or both?

I'm fairly certain it's a general food problem of the age, but with work and discipline I imagine it can be at least somewhat corrected.

First of all cut out white carbohydrates (bread, cookies, pizza, rice, pasta,...) and products with high sugar content, especially alcohol and sodas. That is the base that made candida thriving in your stomach most likely.

Then depending on how bad it is, also cut out fruit, milk products, caffeine, low glycemic load carbs.

Then you need to attack it, by destroying the candida and buy rebuilding the good bacteria. Garlic, ACV, Bicarbonate, anti fungus medicine (fluconazol, Niacin), coconut oil, oregano, ... These are some of the popular options, combine them, because candida does not go away easily. Probiotics, fermented drinks (kombucha), resistant starch can then be used to aid the good bacteria in winning this battle.

Do not underestimate candida, it has wrecked many lives and has been the base for many diseases all over the world. Main cause for it to develop is antibiotics use combined with bad diet. To know when it is gone check your tongue (should not be white). Take into account as well that most likely you´ll have die off symptoms meaning you might get sick or feel bad for a bit before recovering.

Hey rottenapple how's the battle going?

Seen your post on the gut bacteria thread, the 'terra blanco' stuff you mentioned may be their version of Nystatin that the Kid mentioned. This was discovered through a micro-organism found in the soil of a dairy farm in NY State, hence the name.

Nystatin often gets overlooked for the different forms of the 'azoles for some reason, although many say it is better suited for dealing with candida.

How come you managed to get the Nystatin Kid?

Agree with your advice for the Kid although I would also give up all fruit, milk products and caffeine initially too, as much sugar as possible, processed or natural. Those fuckers need starved to death in combination with acv/bicarb and/or anti-fungals.

Organic helped me the most, wait.......Organic why the fuck do we call it Organic, 35 years ago pre 1980 it was normal, it was local, it was quality, it was NOT full of shit, back then it wasn't called Organic. Organic rant over..

I live in a city so sourcing quality meat and veg etc doesn't present many problems when you know where/what you are going for, people are waking up, quality produce is becoming more available if you look. Diet doesn't have to be restrictive, more selective.

Following Veloce's Fermentation thread would also be beneficial, quality advice being passed on there.

Cut out both sugars, and anything that's been fed anti-biotics, growth hormones, been injected with more shit then sprayed with a preservative before being wrapped up in a shiny piece of plastic and stuck on the shelf and you will see a difference.





@ serpico, agree on the lemon juice becoming alkaline after digestion. Ted from Bangkok used to use it as a substitute for ACV in his 'alkalising remedies'. ACV was difficult for him to source in Thailand.

[GetRichOrdie]

This was a fantastic video I came across regarding curing IBS, a must watch

[Ringo]

(09-26-2016 02:55 PM)Renton1875 Wrote:  

Not wanting to hijack Ringos thread, even though the connections between candida and leaky gut are gathering ground.

A candida thread exists on the forum:
thread-15028.html

Scary, some called it . MikeCF took part early on and seemed to have some success in his fight, watching him on periscope recently he certainly doesn't suffer from chronic fatigue.

That thread is a great find. Thanks.

Update: I went to a GI last week. Seemed like a good doc. He prescribed me nitazoxanide 500mg for 3 days - a medication to kill possible intestinal parasites. I've done stool tests before and they came up clear, but according to the doc that can sometimes happen even though they're there. One curious (harmless) side effect of this pill is that my piss is a bright, highlighter yellow - might even glow in the dark for all I know.

He also asked me to do a blood panel and test for gluten sensitivity - will do those and report.

[Renton1875]

Quality post Truth Tiger, will watch those links. I'm enjoying the streak of Tigers that have been unleashed upon the forum.

(09-25-2016 03:37 PM)Truth Tiger Wrote:  

Must watch (no 'TL;dr' for these videos, my brothers!):

Dr. William B. Davis, M.D., has a book 'Wheat Belly' that I haven't read but would have all the evidence you need to eliminate glutens from your diet. The lecture, 'Wheat the UN-Healthy Whole Grain' on Youtube is great. He explains what he's observed in his clinical practice, the research he's come across that identifies effects of wheat consumption (increases schizophrenic symptoms in those diagnosed - wheat acts like an opiate on the brain), how wheat consumption ties to both weight gain and IBS / Crohn's / auto-immune diseases. Really a good video and he even touches on the topic 'why does government allow this to happen? is it negligent or willful?' He doesn't think it's willful in that video, but another interview (audio only, also on Youtube) he admits it probably is (which is what I believe too). Talk about having poison right in front of you at the dinner table and not knowing it... 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UbBURnqYVzw

Again another little known fact of the food chain.........

Gluten and Glyphosate (Roundup weed killer).

Monsanto as a member mentioned earlier, fuckin criminal.


http://www.ecowatch.com/why-is-glyphosat...87755.html

Quote:

Glyphosate, the main ingredient in Monsanto's Roundup herbicide, is recognized as the world's most widely used weed killer. What is not so well known is that farmers also use glyphosate on crops such as wheat, oats, edible beans and other crops right before harvest, raising concerns that the herbicide could get into food products.

Glyphosate has come under increased scrutiny in the past year. Last year the World Health Organization's cancer group, the International Agency for Research on Cancer, classified it as a probable carcinogen. The state of California has also moved to classify the herbicide as a probable carcinogen. A growing body of research is documenting health concerns of glyphosate as an endocrine disruptor and that it kills beneficial gut bacteria, damages the DNA in human embryonic, placental and umbilical cord cells and is linked to birth defects and reproductive problems in laboratory animals.

A recently published paper describes the escalating use of glyphosate: 18.9 billion pounds have been used globally since its introduction in 1974, making it the most widely and heavily applied weed-killer in the history of chemical agriculture. Significantly, 74 percent of all glyphosate sprayed on crops since the mid-1970s was applied in just the last 10 years, as cultivation of GMO corn and soybeans expanded in the U.S. and globally.

Charles Benbrook, Ph.D., who published the paper on the mounting use of glyphosate, says the practice of spraying glyphosate on wheat prior to harvest, known as desiccating, began in Scotland in the 1980s.

(09-25-2016 03:37 PM)Truth Tiger Wrote:  

Dr. Robert Lustig, M.D., is featured in 'Sugar: The Bitter Truth' which went viral on Youtube. There is also a documentary 'Sugarcoated' which is required viewing for anyone with kids or who is close to young kids. The candida phenomenon is very real and likely accompanying anyone who has digestive issues and consumes sugar, drinks beer or wine.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBnniua6-oM

Plus a great TEDx talk 'Sugar - The Elephant in the Kitchen' 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gmC4Rm5cpOI

I *highly* recommend watching 'The 12 Bad Foods to Avoid and Why' by Dr. Peter Glidden, N.D. He explains why BBQ is bad, soda or carbonated beverages should never be drunk with meals, and other foods / processes to avoid. I have really seen my health and well-being improve since I've made these challenging but rewarding choices.  It's the best 20 min you can spend informing yourself about what to put into your body.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9WCzq-a1z7A
I also recommend watching Dr. Joel Wallach's presentation 'Somebody Needs to Go to Jail'

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cZUW_msobAs

Came across Dr Joel after a link from Zelcorpion, interesting guy. Zelcorpion keeps promising to drop a mega vitamin data sheet, but he seems to be having too much fun in the 'Migration' thread. Just kidding Zelc, I know you'll get round to it .

[Kid Twist]

I get a little bit turned off when people exaggerate or say things that aren't really true just to prove a point (I'm an MD, happens a lot, I get it but for educated people it's silly). Case in point with Lustig, the annoying line that "Sugar is a toxin". Ok dude, so our brain inclines us to ingest food sources that are toxins, things we evolved with. Whatever. One one level, alcohol is not a toxin, just like sugar. On another level, it can be. Both are potentially beneficial, and both are potentially harmful. Almost like anything else in life. I do like his point about sugar being with fiber naturally though, that was a solid, contextually accurate, intelligent point.

I drink Coca-Cola pretty frequently given how "bad" it is for you. I'm one of the fittest people I know. Yes, you have to know who you are, but I see this in pediatrics even more than other specialties because of the audience: A lot of inner city people with failed parenting who have cultures that love eating crap, and all the time. Because you see diseased patients doesn't mean there is an epidemic, Doogie. It means sick people who need help go to hospitals. That's all. The rest of us are hanging out generally without a problem and by rest I mean 95+%

Just keep that in mind.

[Truth Tiger]

Renton, kudos mate!

KT, your N=1 anecdotal study doesn't mean anything in the light of what Dr. Robert Lustig and his colleagues have found. There are certainly social issues, but it's vital to be educated about the metabolic effects of what you put into your mouth (or better, what a parent or nearby adult guides a child/young adult to put in their mouth).

Since you're an MD I'm sure you're well-aware of the importance of supplementation, and that the US RDA is a bare minimum to keep one alive, not for vital health. I'm sure you're also aware that MDs are not given much if any training in the area of nutrition (not that you can't educate yourself, but the MD system doesn't require it beyond token measures). The western allopathic system is just one way to look at health, and it's not the final answer. But I'm sure you know all this.

The stats on obesity don't support that '95% of us' are without a problem. You might want to look closer at the metrics in your blood tests and track them over time (spreadsheets). Be glad you've got enough vitality stored up to bank on for a while.

[Truth Tiger]

While not specifically about leaky gut, I'm noticing how my digestion and body fat composition plus energy level relate to my diet.

While I had gone dairy-free as I've indicated in September, I started to slip around my birthday the following month and gained back some weight I'd lost. I got frustrated as I 'thought' a little ice cream, cake, real ginger ale, and a cupcake now and then wouldn't really bother me.

I was wrong. Or at least, my sense of 'now and then' was too frequent. Digestion also started to get fouled up for a few weeks due to the dairy - and sugar. I might have been emotionally eating (hell, I know I was) as I was subconsciously thinking if the evil bitch won what red state I'd move to. I still might, but now I feel like

To remind folks, I'm a blood type O-neg, an endomorph tending toward stocky / thicker midsection with very good lower body strength, broader shoulders though generally not huge bones. Since my mid-30s I noticed I could gain weight quickly around my midsection. It's been really frustrating wanting to be lean but seeing the layer of fat that keeps abs from showing but I know some of the causes and have also managed my sleep/fitness/diet/supplementation to improve my T-levels.

So I've committed to really go dairy free, esp. the heavy cream in coffee, or organic ice cream that's STILL made with cows milk. I also had felt sugar cravings returning that hadn't been there for a while, plus itches that feel like a bacterial or fungal (candida) proliferation. Last night it took everything I had to not get some ice cream and instead enjoyed a couple small coconut banana squares.

I'm not liking feeling this way, and now with the Trumpening in progress I feel very positive and encouraged. I'm literally more buoyant as many here are reporting and it's motivating me to get straight, get fit, get stronger, and stay on that path. I need to see what my determination to be lean, fit, and strong in my early 40s will do. I also don't feel my physique is as much of a draw to younger women (Gio-style!) as I need it to be. I've seen him and he's really diligent about his health which highly motivates me along with other posters here.

Whatever each person needs, the closer we can stay to really natural foods, the healthier we'll be.

If you can't dig it, pick it, ferment it, or hunt it, don't eat it.

[GetRichOrdie]

check out mastic gum, ive heard great things about this. and l-glutamine, and youtube has good ideas too

[EnergyGame]

my best suggestions would be limiting sugar, eat a shit ton of garlic (ideally raw), experiment with different probiotics (fermented liquids are great) and as much fibre as possible.

[fiasco360]

Check out this article on fasting and how it triggers regeneration.


Fasting triggers stem cell regeneration of damaged, old immune system
https://news.usc.edu/63669/fasting-trigg...ne-system/