[[email protected]]

I agree with removing his posts out of respect for his mourning family etc but, removing evidence might not be taken as harmless by the feds. I doubt Rooshy wants more trouble from this mess. Maybe get the "okay" from them first..in writing preferably.

[Delta]

(07-21-2017 07:37 PM)RawGod Wrote:  

(07-21-2017 07:17 PM)Brother Abdul Majeed Wrote:  

Skimmed through the thread to see if anyone has posted this already, apologies if I missed it.

This popped up in my Google news feed. https://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/nat...e35772750/

Quote:

Online posts give glimpse into mind of Canadian allegedly behind AlphaBay

Quote:

However, some insight into the mind of Mr. Cazes can be found on an online forum where he portrayed himself as having permanently moved away from what he considered a dysfunctional society.

He settled in Bangkok, learned to speak Thai, became wealthy and married a local woman. At the same time, he still considered himself a player, boasting how he cheated on his wife, using elaborate subterfuges.

The details come from posts made on the Roosh V forum, an online discussion board hosted by self-styled pickup artist Barack Obama.

You can read the rest at the link.

The writer actually didn't portray the forum in as negative light as a lazy MSM journo might be expected to. Rather than trying to peg us as some kind of evil hive, they highlighted that Mr Cazes had drawn criticism from within the forum.

This is a bit of a tangent, but even though the writer doesn't explicitly shit all over the forum, his bias and lack of objectivity still come through loud and clear. For example:

Quote:

Using the moniker Rawmeo, Mr. Cazes posted frequently on the forum, where members debated seduction techniques, compared women of various ethnicities and complained about feminism.

Putting aside that this is a half-assed summary of the forum, notice the language in that last bit: complained about feminism. Obviously the neutral/objective word there would be criticized, but he goes with an alternative that has a clear negative connotation. Case in point: Can you picture one of these mainstream news outlets writing that a group of people "complains" about Trump? E.g. "The campus Democrats meet weekly to discuss issues like poverty and healthcare, and complain about President Trump." Doesn't sound like a plausible sentence, does it?

Quote:

He said he once dated a Vietnamese woman who had lived in the U.S. and she didn’t think she was only good for cleaning and cooking. “Such a beautiful girl, who got poisoned by feminism,” he said.

This one requires no explanation.

Maybe I seem a little pedantic with this post, but I'm so sick of modern journalism, its lack of objectivity, and its subtle (and sometimes not so subtle) attempts to indoctrinate readers, that I feel things like this are worth pointing out.

[eradicator]

(07-20-2017 11:33 AM)Going strong Wrote:  

(07-20-2017 11:09 AM)kaotic Wrote:  

I'd also like to remind everyone, WE'RE BEING WATCHED.
It's obviously very clear they U.S. Government is more than likely monitoring us, profiling individual users, and cataloging everything into a meta database.

Well, in this case I expect many forum members, from Samseau or Libertas to MMX2010 or iop890, to receive an invitation for a cocktail at Mar-a-Lago, or at least a free tour of the Trump Tower... I mean, we won - Roosh himself called for his followers to vote for D. Trump. So let's rejoice and not fear!

Come to think of it, I do hope that at some point during President Trump's first mandate, his administration (or maybe, say, his eldest sons) will acknowledge and honor (maybe even help fund) valuable members of the "internet people" that (decisively according to many analysts) helped D. Trump rise to power. Like, I would love for mister Bannon or Don Jr to invite, next year maybe when time is right, Cernovich, Milo, or Roosh, to an official cocktail at the White House. Or to the media room. Leftist triggering would be immense, and the modern, internet-savvy Conservative voters would love this!

I would freaking LOVE to see Cernovich or Alex Jones get the job of press secretary.

Can you imagine seeing one of them going toe to toe with the frauds at cnn/msnbc every day, on camera, EVERY FREAKING DAY?

[HighSpeed_LowDrag]

(07-21-2017 07:56 AM)Roosh Wrote:  

What I want to know is how the government linked Cazes' Paypal receipt, which does not contain any reference to his forum handle, to his actual forum handle.

Considering he was not a US citizen and not on American territory, I guarantee you this guy was under high-level, 24/7 electronic surveillance. Every keystroke and wire transfer he made was likely being recorded in real-time on the NSA's servers.

[RoastBeefCurtains4Me]

(07-21-2017 11:30 PM)eradicator Wrote:  

(07-20-2017 11:33 AM)Going strong Wrote:  

(07-20-2017 11:09 AM)kaotic Wrote:  

I'd also like to remind everyone, WE'RE BEING WATCHED.
It's obviously very clear they U.S. Government is more than likely monitoring us, profiling individual users, and cataloging everything into a meta database.

Well, in this case I expect many forum members, from Samseau or Libertas to MMX2010 or iop890, to receive an invitation for a cocktail at Mar-a-Lago, or at least a free tour of the Trump Tower... I mean, we won - Roosh himself called for his followers to vote for D. Trump. So let's rejoice and not fear!

Come to think of it, I do hope that at some point during President Trump's first mandate, his administration (or maybe, say, his eldest sons) will acknowledge and honor (maybe even help fund) valuable members of the "internet people" that (decisively according to many analysts) helped D. Trump rise to power. Like, I would love for mister Bannon or Don Jr to invite, next year maybe when time is right, Cernovich, Milo, or Roosh, to an official cocktail at the White House. Or to the media room. Leftist triggering would be immense, and the modern, internet-savvy Conservative voters would love this!

I would freaking LOVE to see Cernovich or Alex Jones get the job of press secretary.

Can you imagine seeing one of them going toe to toe with the frauds at cnn/msnbc every day, on camera, EVERY FREAKING DAY?

Instead we have the guy who threatened to sue the NYT for libel, and forced them to retract their fake news story about him, and fire the three top reporters who wrote tbe story.

He's not an MSM fan!

[Sonoma]

On an related note, am I the only one having issues trying to change email?

[John Michael Kane]

(07-21-2017 11:49 PM)Sonoma Wrote:  

On an related note, am I the only one having issues trying to change email?

Mine is a burner email, nothing to change. If you're having issues, try PM'ing Roosh directly and perhaps he can help?

[DrCotard]

(07-21-2017 11:49 PM)Sonoma Wrote:  

On an related note, am I the only one having issues trying to change email?

I changed my e-mail and I haven't noticed any kind of issue.

[Simeon_Strangelight]

Jeez - there is so much to the story and kudos to some members who called him out in his initial thread and alluded to the fact that he must have gotten it via illegal activity.

Some have even met him in person just some 2-3 years ago when he did not have any cash and dated a lackluster ageing single mother Thai woman.

As for Bitcoin trading being able to have netted him millions - I know such guys, but the problem with that is that most of them already had millions and had 200.000$+ lying around and chose to pump it into Bitcoins early on. This was not the case.

https://www.dailydot.com/layer8/alphabay...hts-forum/

As for his business:

[/url]

I would not call him the greatest imbecile ever, since he obviously had some intelligence, but he was simply almost criminally careless. He probably believed more in the fake-news narrative than anything else - that encryption alone will save him.

Our data-world is in my opinion composed of 3 levels and depending who you want to hide from - that is how paranoid and careful you have to be:

Level 1:

Complete top-surveillance, where every key-stroke, picture, GPS-point, audio-recording, comma is saved and allotted on your own personalized account. Most of it is used for predictive planning of the globalists, but the upper echelons may access it occasionally if you are individually interesting to them - which you never will be. Many murders and crimes could be solved with that databank, but the globalists do not care even if you kill 100.000 people or steal 100 bio. $, so long that you don't steal from them personally too much or kill none of their few. So essentially - that level of surveillance is irrelevant unless you interact with one of the incredibly few of the world.

Level 2:

Here the surveillance gets several notches lower and can likely be partly accessed by top NSA officials. A good example would be if you happen to be mainstream-believer and started working for Hillary. Then you found out or overheard something unsettling and decided to leak the info. Or you decided to research irregularities of the Clinton Foundation in Haiti. Not only would encryption or any kind of safety measures not help you - you would be executed swiftly via accident, robbery gone wrong, murder-suicide by a team of specialized professionals.
Most people also don't have to be concerned about that unless they interact with the managerial and political class and decide foolishly to cross them.

Level 3:

This is where most of us lie and this is where this unfortunate young man should have put his attention.

Most law-enforcement including the official NSA levels don't have access to the deep-tier surveillance state mentioned above. They rely on emails, Paypal accounts, stupid online media and forum posts, actual leg-work of cops, anti-fraud divisions, undercover forum members and undercover clients of those sites.

Avoiding those agencies is not that difficult if you are a paranoid Gus Fring kind of guy who stays undercover, appears legit:


There are countless criminals who have really defrauded clients and even entire countries of hundreds of millions of dollars. One guy got tens of millions of Euros via VAT scams in the EU. Then he moved to Argentina and even taunted the officials by posting vids of him burning cash on the beach. That one particular guy was only arrested after years, because he was stupid enough to enter an airport in Argentina, thinking that the authorities forgot about him.

Cazes however disregarded even the precautions of the most basic kind. He lived in a country where the Saudis can order them to hold a sovereign adult citizen - a woman deciding to flee Islam in this case - and help her get arrested and potentially executed by her family: [url=https://www.hrw.org/news/2017/04/14/fleeing-woman-returned-saudi-arabia-against-her-will]https://www.hrw.org/news/2017/04/14/flee...t-her-will

Many other SEA countries will do the same.

He was not only careless in his internet life, but also in his official private one. First of all - he should never have been in Thailand - his other choice candidates of Liechtenstein and Cyprus were equally bad. Of course he should not have had any social media accounts, accessed even the internet via burner-phones or accounts made in the name of homeless people. Of course he should not have bought houses and fucking married.

While his activities made him a drug-lord, he was only the operator of an Amazon-like platform where users traded illegal things. In my opinion - if he had decided to be a paranoid Gus Fring character, then he could have run off into the sunset with 20 mio. $ in cash. Of course he should have known that such a site will only run a certain time before it gets closed down.

Whether he was working for more powerful people in Canada (some biker gang as alluded) - who knows - would not make much of a difference except that if he actually met someone above, then his problems just got a lot bigger because they would kill him to protect them or even kill his family back home if he decided to flee. If he went into that kind of deal, then he was even more careless because then there would be no way to flee for him, unless he would take his family in Canada with him.

Ether way - most of us don't risk much except public outing as a supposed misogynist - which isn't really much, since 60-80% of the world male population share our views (yes - you suckers who read this - the feeble brainwashed male feminists in the West are a stark minority - Chinese, African, Indian, Muslim, South American and a good portion Western men - they are all shitlords - you are in the stark minority and when harder times come, then you will disappear, become more masculine again).

I think that a lesson here is that if any member assumes someone to engage in illegal activity, then he should contact the forum administrators or Roosh personally. The guy did not post anything illegal here, his claims of quick riches were just strange and his depiction of how he made it did not make sense. There are a few ways of making millions within 2 years, but the path is usually not easy and you compete with hundreds of thousands of highly competent people in a few choice industries (or you build a business from the ground up and are lucky).

As for anyone admiring the bloke - don't. In our world there are a myriad ways of making money more or less honestly without risking as much as he did. And the second lesson is - if you trust the mainstream accounts of our world, then you have already lost on multiple other levels in life as well.

[Sidney Crosby]

[Mercenary]

(07-21-2017 10:15 PM)Sidney Crosby Wrote:  

According to Sessions, Cazes's arrest was a co-ordinated effort between law enforcement authorities in Thailand, the Netherlands, Lithuania, Canada, the United Kingdom and France, as well as the European law enforcement agency Europol.

USA-TRUMP/SESSIONS
U.S. Attorney General Jeff Sessions announced the takedown of the dark web marketplace AlphaBay at the Justice Department in Washington. (Aaron P. Bernstein/Reuters)

He said criminals are acting like "they can commit crimes with impunity by going dark."

Sessions said he hopes Cazes's arrest will send a clear message that there is nowhere for criminals to hide.

A California indictment said Cazes had amassed a fortune of $23 million, including a small fortune in digital currency.

The indictment said he spent the money on real estate, luxury cars and the pursuit of "economic citizenship" in Liechtenstein, Thailand and Cyprus, reported The Associated Press.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/j...-1.4215009

http://www.cbc.ca/news/technology/darkne...-1.4215567

Is this why trump wants to fire sessions as attorney general ?
Im only half joking.

[PapayaTapper]

(07-22-2017 12:16 AM)DrCotard Wrote:  

(07-21-2017 11:49 PM)Sonoma Wrote:  

On an related note, am I the only one having issues trying to change email?

I changed my e-mail and I haven't noticed any kind of issue.

I changed mine without any problems but then I have nothing to hide and and Im not really me

[GlobalMan]

(07-21-2017 07:56 AM)Roosh Wrote:  

What I want to know is how the government linked Cazes' Paypal receipt, which does not contain any reference to his forum handle, to his actual forum handle.

Here's how:

His original name on the forum was different than what it is now, it was changed at some point with gold membership. In quoted replies to his early comments you can see it if you go look.

That original name here is the same user name he used across a dozen forums and websites from what I can see. Tech forums asking about servers, computer security, asian visa stuff, Thai classifieds, gamer forums, etc.

That username is also connected to his UpWork account, which has his real name. Not sure how it is connected, as it's not in the URL or written on his page, but it comes back as a result when searching that username. Perhaps he used it there previously then changed it, or it's in the background of his UpWork.

And, this username has part of his first name.

Basically what happened is:

(known facts)

- First, they got his real name, in two ways; 1) Early password recovery emails and welcome emails from AlphaBay used a Hotmail address. They worked this address and untangled the VPN's/Tor or used undisclosed methods. It wasn't straight forward though as they knew this address 3 years ago according to reports. 2) His username on AlphaBay was Alpha02 (this is different than his old username on RVF/the one he used all around the net I'm talking about). He (surprise!) used that name once on a French language tech forum a decade ago and that forum had his real name attached. This how the FBI first identified him. The guy just couldn't think of new names. If he had even just changed it to Alpha03 they wouldn't have found the old post on that forum when searching.

...then, how they found him on RVF and other forums:

(my logical guesstimation)

- Once they had his real name they did a simple internet search and linked it, through one or multiple websites, to another username. As I said above, I myself found this username connected to his real name in a couple ways- If you searched the other way around (by his real name) you would find this connection as well obviously.

- They then did a search on the username, finding all the posts by that username on the multiple websites he used it on. One of those was RVF. From my brief looking, almost all of the accounts with that username have some corroborating facts making it clear it is the same guy.

Looking into paypal, finding payment, etc was for corroboration after they already knew the username and suspected it was him. The payment just confirmed what they already knew.

[glugger]

The thread where he 'boasted' about his porsche is locked to members below 250 posts. I know because I can't see it.
So the cops got by either:

- Creating an account and spamming 250 posts to see it.

or

- Hacking

[Going strong]

(07-22-2017 01:21 AM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  

In my opinion - if he had decided to be a paranoid Gus Fring character, then he could have run off into the sunset with 20 mio. $ in cash.

Gus Fring would have been easy to spot: if I remember well from the series, didn't he go around using a Chilean passport? All this, being "Black" and speaking Spanish in a slow, unnatural, very un-Chilean way: I mean... if he landed in Miami (where border agents speak fluent and even native Spanish) with his dubious Chilean passport and laborious Spanish, lol, he wouldn't last long.

Now, the pursuit of economic residency by Cazes is even more of a joke. A high-profile bloke like him, would have had his new citizenships cancelled in the blink of an eye.

Dude apparently paid consultants for these citizenships, and consultants forgot to tell him about the fine prints of the residency laws, which almost always state that one's acquired citizenship can be cancelled if one has lied (especially, regarding one's legal situation or profession) during the process of applying.

So, to sum it up, Cazes was spending his money on a fools errand (economic citizenships, drawing massive attention to him, and liable to be quickly revoked), while living kinda de facto prisoner of his wife and wife's family, who obviously allowed him to survive in Thailand.

Quite a lesson here: dude was a multi millionaire, bought mansion and passport in Antigua, but (seemingly) could never flee to Antigua, stuck as he was under the watchful eyes of his Thai official wife.

[GlobalMan]

(07-22-2017 04:42 AM)glugger Wrote:  

The thread where he 'boasted' about his porsche is locked to members below 250 posts. I know because I can't see it.
So the cops got by either:

- Creating an account and spamming 250 posts to see it.

or

- Hacking

No.

Threads were not locked until after the fact.

---

Beyond that and in general, there was no hacking or NSA super duper real time key logging or any of that needed.

The guy basically made every retarded mistake that could be made. His original user name here was his first name + some numbers. I would not be surprised if the numbers were the PIN to his debit card or his home address. And he used that username with his real name elsewhere.

He was not a criminal mastermind, he was a basic loser with low self esteem. Because of this fact he took stupid risks, as he could not resist the urge to prove to himself and others that he was not a loser, no matter the risk. When he could not find success with his tech consultancy, and because he had no formal education to leverage or any real work history, he turned to the quick buck of crime. And, because he could not properly plan and execute this scheme either, it too was a failure like everything he did before.

[[email protected]]

Yeah he was criminally careless. The guy was so focused on acquiring citizenship in countries where he could avoid capital gains tax he forgot to cover his ass by getting one that could prevent extradition. A lot of rich guys I know think they are invincible and fly too close to the sun.

[Leonard D Neubache]

I wouldn't need even remotely close to 10 mil before I did everything in my power to "step out".

I'd buy a blue water yacht and a new name and hit the open ocean for a couple of years at least.

There's other stuff I'd do to cover my tracks but I'm sure Roosh doesn't want this thread turning into a "how to" for criminal evasion.

[Dan Woolf]

(07-22-2017 01:21 AM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  

First of all - he should never have been in Thailand - his other choice candidates of Liechtenstein and Cyprus were equally bad.

I don't think there are many countries that would have allowed him to convert millions worth of Bitcoin into FIAT currency without ringing the alarm. The "I found one of my old wallets from 1984" excuse only works so many times. And on top of that he was already a wanted man in the US.

I think he was fucked right from the start.

[AnonymousBosch]

(07-22-2017 04:42 AM)glugger Wrote:  

The thread where he 'boasted' about his porsche is locked to members below 250 posts. I know because I can't see it.
So the cops got by either:

- Creating an account and spamming 250 posts to see it.

or

- Hacking

Or were here all along.

I'm disappointed they didn't recruit all of us to help Trump.

[Dan Woolf]

(07-22-2017 06:47 AM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  

There's other stuff I'd do to cover my tracks but I'm sure Roosh doesn't want this thread turning into a "how to" for criminal evasion.

I agree. We should start a new thread.

[Going strong]

(07-22-2017 05:58 AM)[email protected] Wrote:  

Yeah he was criminally careless. The guy was so focused on acquiring citizenship in countries where he could avoid capital gains tax he forgot to cover his ass by getting one that could prevent extradition. A lot of rich guys I know think they are invincible and fly too close to the sun.

No country would have offered him official protection, as a non-natural born citizen, if he had become so high-profile that half a dozen foreign law enforcement agencies wanted him.

Acquired citizenships would have been voided (flaws would have been found in their acquiring process), long-term residency visas cancelled or waited out, or quite simply, his passport could've been cancelled by Canada (a passport is not a personal property).

His only chance would have been, to give two-thirds of his wealth to charities, preferably religious ones (to clean his soul, rekindle his karma, maybe even draw sympathy from the people hunting him), take the remaining third and go to Buenos Aires -or Sao Paolo-, to get lost within ten millions of other White people. He could've even hired our Argentinian forum specialist, Mekorig, who happens to be a lawyer, and settle for a comfortable and discreetly luxurious life, no jealous wife attached.

[El Chinito loco]

This is why I always warn people about getting too comfortable in Thailand no matter what station in life you're at from regular dude to high risk fringe dweller.

It's not what you think.

The locals actually don't like you that much and the culture is very incompatible with the western mindset and most of the east for that matter.

It's its own weird thing and Thailand has existed largely through the ruling elite's abilities to lie, cheat, and scam foreign entities throughout the ages to keep their sovereignty. They also pull the wool over their own people's eyes too which is why there is a military junta in power now for like the N'th time in history.

This guy had the cash and the ability to go a lot of places and he chose to settle in a place that would dime him out for probably not that much money. So he winds up dying in a nasty cell alone and all those resources helped him not one iota.

Bad move.

[Steve McQueen]

My two cents, I think he was an accidental success like others have posted. Personally I enjoyed his posts and thought he had interesting things to say, I say they should remain but only visible to members if thats possible.

This forum is full of surprises, stuff like this is what keeps me logging in every day. RIP to the guy, while I dont condone what he did, I respect the hustle, like mansions and super cars at 26....

[nomadbrah]

(07-22-2017 08:46 AM)El Chinito loco Wrote:  

This is why I always warn people about getting too comfortable in Thailand no matter what station in life you're at from regular dude to high risk fringe dweller.

It's not what you think.

The locals actually don't like you that much and the culture is very incompatible with the western mindset and most of the east for that matter.

It's its own weird thing and Thailand has existed largely through the ruling elite's abilities to lie, cheat, and scam foreign entities throughout the ages to keep their sovereignty. They also pull the wool over their own people's eyes too which is why there is a military junta in power now for like the N'th time in history.

This guy had the cash and the ability to go a lot of places and he chose to settle in a place that would dime him out for probably not that much money. So he winds up dying in a nasty cell alone and all those resources helped him not one iota.

Bad move.

The reason why criminals choose Thailand is because they can largely live very open open lives in some places, particularly in tourist areas where the cops are as big criminals as those they are supposed to chase. Countless criminals have lived very public lives on Koh Samui and in Pattaya, some even involved in crime with the police. When they get arrested it is SWAT teams from Bangkok police, not locals.

Where else could you do that? In South America the local gangs would have you quickly and you would be kidnapped. These criminals want this kind of high profile braggard lifestyle.