[Suits]

(07-20-2017 06:43 PM)nomadbrah Wrote:  

Yet no one talks about the rape culture or racist violence (going all directions) in American prisons.

People absolutely do talk about it.

It's the rape-culture-obsessed feminists who don't talk about it.

[RexImperator]

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[CodyB]

(07-20-2017 04:09 PM)Uruz Wrote:  

1. Extensive red-pill knowledge about his new country
2. Speaking the language
3. Swimming in money

One would think that he would be in Captains Punthakamikaki cousins car on a way to Cambodia few days before the cops knocked on his door, hmmm.

Anyway, respect to the man, although I am not fan of "drug dealers" he must have had some balls to do what he did.

The DEA really has a lot of clout in Thailand. They probably coordinated the raid and only informed the locals that they would be conducting it the day it happened.

[Sherman]

The first time the thread came out I googled "Thailand Death" and went back 10 days on the assumption that the death of a foreigner in Thailand would be reported. It took about 15 minutes to confirm with unique facts on his posts that he was the person. It's a good reminder not to reveal personal facts about yourself on the Internet.

[Soundbyte]

Well, damn. Losing everything when you think you made it. Millions that the guy worked for will probably disappear without a trace. I respect the guy because he saw a way to make it and he did.

[Seadog]

Part of me has tremendous respect for anyone who can build something that huge, even if it's not 100% on the right side of law and order. I have a few friends with reasonably successful online ventures, and I think this could have been a case of something which started out small, and took on a life of its own. At that point it becomes your baby, and if there was never any pivotal singularity moment, only ever incremental gains, he maybe still thought of it as a (albeit large) hobby horse. Shame to see it fall apart and end in such a tragic way.

You could argue he was facilitating the sale of drugs to kids, but similarly anyone with a retirement fund likely indirectly owns shares in various military contractors or pharmaceutical cos which have blood on their hands, and drawing an arbitrary line to when you're far enough removed to have a clear conscious seems like a fool's errand. The song "Peruvian Cocaine" by Immortal Technique comes to mind which profiles everyone in the drug trade from coca farmer in Latin America to field boss to national dictator to US importer to street dealer to undercover cop who benefits.

As others have said a little bit of amateur level sleuthing on the forum and in news media and you should be able to make an educated guess about where pieces fit.

At the same time I'm also again impressed and blown away at the calibre of people on this forum. The fact that when a Nasa Test Pilot comes along and makes claims that would be outlandish in nearly any circumstance, you have a divided camp with the majority arguing he isn't full of shit.

[John Michael Kane]

This is a forum for those outside of the mainstream. Men talking about interesting and controversial topics are sure to bring in some outliers, including outliers of all kinds. This forum really has a diverse member base, which is part of what makes the topics here so interesting. It is pretty rare that forums with such different members get along so well. There's a good brotherhood here, even if someone like the AlphaBay admin had fallen from the Straight and Narrow. He clearly had above average intelligence. It is a shame he didn't use his mind for something more productive and safer.

As mentioned by other posters, once you start down a certain road, it is hard to pull out, and this case is more of a cautionary tale than anything. Still, it is rather interesting that we have such different members. I'm pretty sure some Donald Trump Jr. or someone on his team reads (and perhaps posts?!) on this forum. Wouldn't surprise me at all if we had some other famous or interesting people calling this board their home.

[Mercenary]

...


There is an article in the British Telegraph newspaper with a photo:

Quote:

Canadian found dead in Thai cell wanted for running 'dark web' market


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/07/...eb-market/


By
Agence France-Presse
15 July 2017

A 26-year-old Canadian found dead in his Thai police cell this week was wanted in the US for allegedly running a massive "dark web" marketplace for drugs and other contraband, a police source told AFP news agency on Saturday. Thai police arrested Alexandre Cazes in Bangkok on July 5 and had planned to extradite him to the US, where he faced drug trafficking and money laundering charges. But the computer programmer hanged himself with a towel in his detention cell a week later on July 12, according to Thai anti-narcotics police, who have been tight-lipped on the details of his case.

On Saturday a Thai officer confirmed Cazes was accused of being an "operator" of a major online black market. "It's a huge dark web market that trafficks drugs and sells other illegal stuff," the police officer said, requesting anonymity. Speculation is rife that the underground marketplace was AlphaBay, considered the world's largest and most lucrative darknet bazaar until it was taken down within hours of Cazes' arrest. Like its predecessor Silk Road, which was shut down by the FBI in 2013, AlphaBay used the encrypted Tor network and virtual currencies like Bitcoin to shield customers from detection.

According to Nicolas Christin, a computer science professor at Carnegie Mellon University, AlphaBay gained prominence in 2015 and mostly traded in drugs, stolen credit cards and forged IDs. It was "more than twice as big as Silk Road was in its heyday, with a revenue of somewhere between 600,000 and 800,000 dollars a day in early 2017, and that's a rather conservative estimate," he told AFP. Cazes appeared to be living a life of luxury in Thailand, where he owned three houses and four cars - including a Lamborghini - according to Thai police who have seized the assets.

He slipped into the country around eight years ago, according to police. "He was a computer expert involved with international transactions of Bitcoins," said Major General Soontorn Chalermkiat, a spokesman for Thailand's Narcotics Suppression Bureau. "He didn't have any business in Thailand but he had many houses," the officer said, adding that Cazes' Thai wife has since been charged with money laundering. The US Embassy in Bangkok refused to comment on the details of the case, saying only that Cazes was detained at the request of the US "with a view toward extradition to face federal criminal charges". The founder of Silk Road - the world's first and most famous digital drug market - was sentenced to life in prison by federal court in New York in 2015.

[Going strong]

(07-20-2017 02:42 PM)Cattle Rustler Wrote:  

(07-20-2017 02:39 PM)RIslander Wrote:  

The US doesn't need an extradition treaty to get you. There are plenty of cases where the US pressured Vietnam to deport US fugitives with little effort.

Hence why marrying a local is essential, and being close to other countries with no US extradition. Russia has Belarus, Kazakhstan, Uzbekistan, Ukraine next its borders. Marry a devushka, get RUS passport, visa free travel to those countries.

A lot of BFE African countries in the list, get lost in the jungle or invest in Namibia like this guy did for years:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kobi_Alexander

At the end, there's still a chance...but a lesser chance. As Jay Z said, "I got 5 passports, I’m never going to jail".

The dude was White and loaded with cash (millions of dollars): forget lovely exotic lands or sexy vodka-dievushka territories, he should have gone to Argentina (and good luck finding him, good luck motivating the local police forces, too).



By going to exotic Thailand, where he would forever remain an outsider (a farang, even though he learned the language), he made an amateur, not travel-savvy, mistake.

Reminds me of the Ukrainian arms-dealing dude that was made into a movie with Nicholas Cage, and got arrested in Thailand, then was the subject of a fierce legal battle between the US and Russia as to who would get extradition... another White dude who thought he would be safe with his millions in Thailand...

Both of them fell for a nice exotic mirage, whereas, being Whites and uber-rich, they should have moved to Argentina: who would have found them in the GBA (especially if he had given half a million to the Campora, but actually, it would not even be necessary)? I mean, to find someone (rich and White) in Argentina, you'd need 2 years of hard work by an entire Mossad cell (and mind you, Eichmann was rather poor, if he had been rich, they wouldn't have found him for ten more years; by the way, Eichmann was spotted because his young son dated an Argentinian girl and "boasted" to her his father's -repugnant- past, but turns out this girl was Jewish: ach, grosse mistake).

[CynicalContrarian]

Reminds me of the whole Silk Road take down.

FBI's Story of Finding Silk Road's Server Sounds a Lot Like Hacking

To hear the FBI tell it, tracking down the secret server behind the billion-dollar drug market known as the Silk Road was as easy as knocking on a door. The bureau's latest court filing in the case describes how the hidden site accidentally revealed its location to anyone who visited its login page, thanks to a software misconfiguration.

But the technical side of the security community, who have long tracked the dark web's experiments in evading law enforcement, don't buy that simple story. They read the FBI's statement differently: as a carefully worded admission that it didn't knock on the Silk Road's door so much as hack its way in.

https://www.wired.com/2014/09/fbi-silk-r...-question/

[churros]

(07-20-2017 10:28 PM)CynicalContrarian Wrote:  

Reminds me of the whole Silk Road take down.

FBI's Story of Finding Silk Road's Server Sounds a Lot Like Hacking

To hear the FBI tell it, tracking down the secret server behind the billion-dollar drug market known as the Silk Road was as easy as knocking on a door. The bureau's latest court filing in the case describes how the hidden site accidentally revealed its location to anyone who visited its login page, thanks to a software misconfiguration.

But the technical side of the security community, who have long tracked the dark web's experiments in evading law enforcement, don't buy that simple story. They read the FBI's statement differently: as a carefully worded admission that it didn't knock on the Silk Road's door so much as hack its way in.

https://www.wired.com/2014/09/fbi-silk-r...-question/

On this basis, our resident counter-espionage experts might consider whether the FBI is accurately representing events here.

This guy put together the most successful site on the dark web. You think he's signing off with [email protected]?

[John Michael Kane]

There are a lot of smart people who make very bad OPSEC mistakes. Hilliary Clinton's handling of her "private" email server ring a bell?

[CynicalContrarian]

(07-20-2017 10:53 PM)churros Wrote:  

On this basis, our resident counter-espionage experts might consider whether the FBI is accurately representing events here.

This guy put together the most successful site on the dark web. You think he's signing off with [email protected]?

I don't recall who Joe Rogan was speaking to on his one podcast.
Yet the idea was that the FBI had easily infiltrated the supposed "Dark Web" & were engaged in manipulation & 'phishing' type methods to screw people over.
Something along those lines.

Overbearing government is, as overbearing government does...

[atlant]

This glorification in this thread of a second-rate internet drug peddler is pretty bizarre to me. Moreover, he could have posed a significant threat to the forum's reputation - imagine if an "investigative journalist" had come across his posts. If he really had been so smart, he would have built a legit venture, or at least would not have left a trail of hilariously obvious incriminating evidence while flaunting his shit in Thailand like a shitty Pablo Escobar wannabe. Of course he would commit suicide - guys like that will brag loudly as long as their tightrope act hasn't come crashing down, and once it inevitably does, they won't have the balls to face the consequences.

[glugger]

So I take it that Roosh knows which member it was?

[Transsimian]

(07-20-2017 02:42 PM)Cattle Rustler Wrote:  

Hence why marrying a local is essential, and being close to other countries with no US extradition. Russia has Belarus, Kazakhstan, Uzbekistan, Ukraine next its borders. Marry a devushka, get RUS passport, visa free travel to those countries.

Great advice, that and a wealthy young white guy would not stand out.

(07-20-2017 11:30 PM)atlant Wrote:  

This glorification in this thread of a second-rate internet drug peddler is pretty bizarre to me. Moreover, he could have posed a significant threat to the forum's reputation - imagine if an "investigative journalist" had come across his posts. If he really had been so smart, he would have built a legit venture, or at least would not have left a trail of hilariously obvious incriminating evidence while flaunting his shit in Thailand like a shitty Pablo Escobar wannabe. Of course he would commit suicide - guys like that will brag loudly as long as their tightrope act hasn't come crashing down, and once it inevitably does, they won't have the balls to face the consequences.

He used personal information in order to better help other people, I don't take it as showing off, especially when it attracted in-thread criticism. The ethics of facilitating exchanges of controversial goods between consenting adults is a matter for debate. I've read his posts, and they are really mild but packed with solid advice.

(07-20-2017 11:34 PM)glugger Wrote:  

So I take it that Roosh knows which member it was?

Not just Roosh, but we are staying silent as respect for the young man.

[lavidaloca]

(07-20-2017 11:30 PM)atlant Wrote:  

This glorification in this thread of a second-rate internet drug peddler is pretty bizarre to me. Moreover, he could have posed a significant threat to the forum's reputation - imagine if an "investigative journalist" had come across his posts. If he really had been so smart, he would have built a legit venture, or at least would not have left a trail of hilariously obvious incriminating evidence while flaunting his shit in Thailand like a shitty Pablo Escobar wannabe. Of course a guy like that would commit suicide - guys like that will brag loudly as long as their tightrope act hasn't come crashing down, and once it inevitably does, they won't have the balls to face the consequences.

I tend to agree with you. The website allowed for the facilitation of a number of transactions that ultimately led to death. Just because he isn't the one that pulled the trigger doesn't make him not accountable.

The guy was a credit card scammer and identity fraud specialist based on his username (in the court documents) and what I've read from a number of sources prior to the creation of the website.

The site was facilitating the sale of weapons, serious drugs like fentanyl, stolen credit card and other information related to identity fraud etc.

This wasn't a guy that was selling some pot to his buddies. The site was doing hundreds of millions of dollars in transactions.

The end was certainly not worth the means and I'm sure if he could take it all back he would. His wife was charged with money laundering. His kid(s) will potentially be left without a parent to raise them if his wife ends up in jail.

This should be used as an example as to why theres no such thing as fast easy money. Better to build an honest and positive business that supports the community like Roosh has. You'll go to bed at night fulfilled, have a sense of purpose and not sleep with one eye open wondering when the time would come.

[samsamsam]

I have heard that a lot of mob guys live a low key life even though they are loaded. They don't need anyone to know.

Putin appears to try and present an average guy persona. I thought i read somewhere he lives in place that is way below his wealth. Always works well when the news shows him as humble to the masses on state controlled tv. Even though he is possibly the richest man on the planet.

No matter how much your inner weaknesses compel you to gloat or brag, it is always best to not say much. I am always surprised when someone feels the need to reveal their wealth.

For a lot of guys knowing you can do whatever you want feeds the ego enough not to have to do it.

[Freddy_1]

A 25yr old millionaire being in Thailand and banging 40yr old 6s...now THAT is the real crime he commited.

[WalterBlack]

(07-20-2017 11:34 PM)glugger Wrote:  

So I take it that Roosh knows which member it was?

It's not too hard to figure out. I'm not gonna give away the ID but I figured it out after a few minutes of Googling.

[kinjutsu]

(07-20-2017 10:28 PM)CynicalContrarian Wrote:  

Reminds me of the whole Silk Road take down.

FBI's Story of Finding Silk Road's Server Sounds a Lot Like Hacking

To hear the FBI tell it, tracking down the secret server behind the billion-dollar drug market known as the Silk Road was as easy as knocking on a door. The bureau's latest court filing in the case describes how the hidden site accidentally revealed its location to anyone who visited its login page, thanks to a software misconfiguration.

But the technical side of the security community, who have long tracked the dark web's experiments in evading law enforcement, don't buy that simple story. They read the FBI's statement differently: as a carefully worded admission that it didn't knock on the Silk Road's door so much as hack its way in.

https://www.wired.com/2014/09/fbi-silk-r...-question/

On a semi-related note the tor/darkweb anonymity isn't as bulletproof as people are lead to believe.
The child exploitation sites on the darkweb are regularly taken down by hackers. They are like weeds though and back up a few days later.
The FBI has a bunch of hackers on their payroll or at least doing contract work for them. It's common knowledge in certain circles you can make decent American money doing for hire work for them. Hacking, de-anonymizing darkweb site, taking down darkweb sites etc.

They most likely got the Silk road guy this way. It also wouldn't surprise me if the now passed forum member was taken down in a similar way but the FBI or whomever made up the story about the email address to cover their methods.

@samsamsam
Agreed.
Most people are dumb and want Fame AND Fortune. They want everyone to know their rich as to fulfill some sort of ego fantasy.

I used to think if i won the lottery I'd have to go into hiding. I have a pretty unique looking face that's kinda hard to forget and i would have people crawling out of the woodwork looking to get in touch with me.

Simple house with 2 vehicles and some nice toys but nothing your neighbors couldn't afford either, just so you dont stand out.

[Handsome Creepy Eel]

This guy reminds me of Gale from Breaking Bad - not a hardened criminal, just an easy-going, genuinely mischievous person that had a passion for esoteric things, whether they were legal or not. In another world, he could have been an ordinary coin collector or a spy.

That easily explains why he didn't take obvious precautions like account names, living humbly or migrating beyond the reach of US authorities despite being neck-deep in illegal activities. I don't think he slipped up or wasn't skilled enough - he just didn't care because that website was his passion.

Either way, I'm very sad he ended up like that and that his wife and children will suffer over it. RIP.

[JayD]

One thing I don't get is the dude was a professional identity thief yet all his assets and income are listed under his name, wouldn't he think of using multiple fake identities that do not tie him up to those assets?
Was he putting too much trust into the TOR network and blockchain that he wouldn't be found out?
Really interesting to not even create a new email for AlphaBay. Dude was smart af but had no street smarts at all.

[ivansirko]

(07-21-2017 03:47 AM)JayD Wrote:  

One thing I don't get is the dude was a professional identity thief yet all his assets and income are listed under his name, wouldn't he think of using multiple fake identities that do not tie him up to those assets?
Was he putting too much trust into the TOR network and blockchain that he wouldn't be found out?
Really interesting to not even create a new email for AlphaBay. Dude was smart af but had no street smarts at all.

I agree. This doesnt pass the smell test. Open a dark web market but use hotmail, a domain name openly registered and paypal? There is so much here that doesnt make sense.

[Ethan Hunt]

This is an incredible read and a lesson for all of us to not get involved in activities that can quite literally take us to the breaking point and end our lives.

RIP none the less. Sad hear to hear members passing no matter their real life activities.