[LeBaron]

(03-16-2018 02:31 AM)nzd Wrote:  

I want to stay for two months April and May in Kiev, Moscow or St. P and except women I really want to explore the culture and feel the vibe. I don't like to move from place to place. Which one will give me the most value for being a foreigner with good Russian skills? Where are the most family oriented, church going women? what are the monthly expenses in all three cities for rent or airbnb in central location with a decent transport? Which is the safest city?

All these cities are safe, as for church going women you'd be better of in 2nd/3tier cities.
As for cost of living I'd say if you go out regularly but don't make it rain you'd need $2000-$3000 a month in Moscow $1500-$2000 in St Pete and $1500 in Kiev
If you speak russian and are a foreigner go to 2nd tier cities in Russia.

[Bikal]

(03-16-2018 02:31 AM)nzd Wrote:  

I want to stay for two months April and May in Kiev, Moscow or St. P and except women I really want to explore the culture and feel the vibe. I don't like to move from place to place. Which one will give me the most value for being a foreigner with good Russian skills? Where are the most family oriented, church going women? what are the monthly expenses in all three cities for rent or airbnb in central location with a decent transport? Which is the safest city?

I'd pick Moscow or St. P, Kyiv has nothing of real note to offer for 2 months of cultural activities and they're all pretty safe in the grand scheme of things but you do need to keep your wits about you as you would in any major city where crime is present.

The family oriented church going women will be outside of Moscow, Kyiv and St. P though, they're cosmopolitan cities and have everything but it's harder to find such a woman in those cities (it can be done, just harder).

[Rocha]

(03-16-2018 04:24 AM)Count Pierre Wrote:  

(03-15-2018 05:36 PM)Rocha Wrote:  

Nobody gives a shit about language, they speak mostly the language they grew up with.

From my experience, people do give a shit (once more, you do not want to speak the language of the country you are at war with, and even people whose native language is russian now make the effort to speak ukrainian), and authorities also for that matter ...for example, the Rada introduced a minimum 75 % quota for ukrainian-language shows on television, and a new law that requires the use of the state language (ukrainian) in state bodies and in public spheres of life, such as advertising, mass media, education, science, cultural activities, ect. Of course, the law does not apply to private communication, but nowadays with national pride at peak level (understandable for a country at war), it's politically correct to at least make the effort to speak ukrainian.

The lesser carachter trait of Ukrainians is being politically correct. Even "heroin" Nadia Savchenko recently said she would blow the balcony of Rada with grenades, blow up the ceiling with a mortar and kill the remaining MPs with automatic weapons. Not sure if she mean it, she might though. Who cares what Rada says. Next revolution in Ukraine will be pro russian. Hard times in the present and ahead for Poroshenko and croonies.

National pride at peak level? That is why the ones who can are fleeing.

Your post is outdated, this is not 2014/2015 anymore.

[JWLZG]

(03-16-2018 04:24 AM)Count Pierre Wrote:  

(03-15-2018 05:36 PM)Rocha Wrote:  

Nobody gives a shit about language, they speak mostly the language they grew up with.

From my experience, people do give a shit (once more, you do not want to speak the language of the country you are at war with, and even people whose native language is russian now make the effort to speak ukrainian), and authorities also for that matter ...for example, the Rada introduced a minimum 75 % quota for ukrainian-language shows on television, and a new law that requires the use of the state language (ukrainian) in state bodies and in public spheres of life, such as advertising, mass media, education, science, cultural activities, ect. Of course, the law does not apply to private communication, but nowadays with national pride at peak level (understandable for a country at war), it's politically correct to at least make the effort to speak ukrainian.

The corollary being; as a foreigner in Kiev, who would be more likely to have learnt Russian than Ukrainian — is it all right for you to speak Russian and not worry about any frosty receptions? Will you get assaulted or denied service for not attempting to speak Ukrainian?

I doubt it's worse than a foreigner speaking Spanish and not Catalan in Barcelona...

[Brosemite]

(03-16-2018 10:04 AM)JWLZG Wrote:  

(03-16-2018 04:24 AM)Count Pierre Wrote:  

(03-15-2018 05:36 PM)Rocha Wrote:  

Nobody gives a shit about language, they speak mostly the language they grew up with.

From my experience, people do give a shit (once more, you do not want to speak the language of the country you are at war with, and even people whose native language is russian now make the effort to speak ukrainian), and authorities also for that matter ...for example, the Rada introduced a minimum 75 % quota for ukrainian-language shows on television, and a new law that requires the use of the state language (ukrainian) in state bodies and in public spheres of life, such as advertising, mass media, education, science, cultural activities, ect. Of course, the law does not apply to private communication, but nowadays with national pride at peak level (understandable for a country at war), it's politically correct to at least make the effort to speak ukrainian.

The corollary being; as a foreigner in Kiev, who would be more likely to have learnt Russian than Ukrainian — is it all right for you to speak Russian and not worry about any frosty receptions? Will you get assaulted or denied service for not attempting to speak Ukrainian?

I doubt it's worse than a foreigner speaking Spanish and not Catalan in Barcelona...

You'll be perfectly fine speaking Russian in the Ukraine. Just let it be known you're a foreigner (which they'll find out soon)

[Count Pierre]

(03-16-2018 09:19 AM)Rocha Wrote:  

Your post is outdated, this is not 2014/2015 anymore.

You're right. National pride-wise, it is "worse" (if one consider that national pride is a flaw). Since 2014, the number of ukrainian military casualties is estimated to about 4000, and whether you like it or not, this intrinsically exacerbates nationalism, as it would happen in any country at war where soldiers are killed on a daily basis. Hence the rise of ukrainian-language use.

[nzd]

Why most of the members on the forum choose Ukraine over Russia, is it only because of the visa and money?

[diego69]

I was in few cities in Russia but not Moscow and many times in Ukraine, so Ukraine is easier in every aspect but one- in Russia you would not presumed as sex tourist as it happened many times in Ukraine and thus will assist you in getting quality good girls for LTR, or even short dating. You do not need to defend yourself all the time for "why are you here?".

[666]

Kiev is clearly for amateur players, not good looking guys and newbies. Moscow is for established, high value and good looking players that respect themselves.

[Count Pierre]

(03-24-2018 04:33 AM)666 Wrote:  

Kiev is clearly for amateur players, not good looking guys and newbies. Moscow is for established, high value and good looking players that respect themselves.

Even if Russia beats Ukraine in some respects (nightlife comes to mind, and also russian girls are IMO clever and cunning whereas ukrainian girls are sneaky and conniving - anyway they are all good at being manipulative in their own feminine way), some people, of which I am one, are actually fond of Ukraine and of ukrainian people, whether you like it or not ...... this has nothing to do with being "high value", even if admittedly, Ukraine seems to attract cheapos like light at night attracts insects.

[Bikal]

(03-24-2018 02:20 AM)nzd Wrote:  

Why most of the members on the forum choose Ukraine over Russia, is it only because of the visa and money?

Most likely the visa situation as Russian Tier 2 cities aren't that different financially compared to those of Ukraine. That said, a Russian visa isn't that hard to obtain although I'd skip Russia for the duration of the World Cup and a short while after, going to be ruined like Ukraine and Poland were.

[almanoff]

Just came back from Kiev, it was my first trip to that city. Three weeks, few relationships, few one-night stands, tons of hookers (17 women in 21 days). Spent around 7K USD. General impression: cuisine is better than chicks. World class and very inexpensive. Kiev is beautiful European city with third world prices. Most of the cash I had with me, I've brought back home. The city is overrun by Middle-Easterners in search of "white meat". Ratio in clubs is negative not in our favor. Day game does not exist. It is considered to be a bad manner, or a joke. Night game requires skills and it is a lot of competition from Turks and Arabs. Caribbean Club and Chi are only alive spots as of now. Reply or message if you need any further info. Flying to Moscow on Saturday and will gladly share the details. Happy hunting.

[louiebeans]

(08-20-2018 05:27 PM)almanoff Wrote:  

Just came back from Kiev, it was my first trip to that city. Three weeks, few relationships, few one-night stands, tons of hookers (17 women in 21 days). Spent around 7K USD. General impression: cuisine is better than chicks. World class and very inexpensive. Kiev is beautiful European city with third world prices. Most of the cash I had with me, I've brought back home. The city is overrun by Middle-Easterners in search of "white meat". Ratio in clubs is negative not in our favor. Day game does not exist. It is considered to be a bad manner, or a joke. Night game requires skills and it is a lot of competition from Turks and Arabs. Caribbean Club and Chi are only alive spots as of now. Reply or message if you need any further info. Flying to Moscow on Saturday and will gladly share the details. Happy hunting.

Can you break down how you spent 7k USD?

[Beirut]

^hookers

[renotime]

^and cocaine

[kater1000]

(08-20-2018 05:27 PM)almanoff Wrote:  

Just came back from Kiev, it was my first trip to that city. Three weeks, few relationships, few one-night stands, tons of hookers (17 women in 21 days). Spent around 7K USD. General impression: cuisine is better than chicks. World class and very inexpensive. Kiev is beautiful European city with third world prices. Most of the cash I had with me, I've brought back home. The city is overrun by Middle-Easterners in search of "white meat". Ratio in clubs is negative not in our favor. Day game does not exist. It is considered to be a bad manner, or a joke. Night game requires skills and it is a lot of competition from Turks and Arabs. Caribbean Club and Chi are only alive spots as of now. Reply or message if you need any further info. Flying to Moscow on Saturday and will gladly share the details. Happy hunting.

Thank you for the update.
I will be in Kiev next week. Also my first trip.
Caribbean Club and Chi is on my list. Our Apartment is near the Arena. Hope we can find also some girls there

[Henny]

If you had most of the cash you had with you, and still spent 7k on whoring etc, then you broke the law. You're not allowed to take more than 10k Euros into the country.

[PlevenskiTarikat]

It's Ukraine. And some of us like living dangerously.

[Bikal]

(08-20-2018 05:27 PM)almanoff Wrote:  

Caribbean Club and Chi are only alive spots as of now.

Also key for P4P, I suspect there is an angle here

[This Is Trouble]

(08-21-2018 03:47 AM)Henny Wrote:  

If you had most of the cash you had with you, and still spent 7k on whoring etc, then you broke the law. You're not allowed to take more than 10k Euros into the country.

Doubt someone who bought 17 whores in 21 days is too concerned with that technicality.

[Count Pierre]

(08-21-2018 03:47 AM)Henny Wrote:  

You're not allowed to take more than 10k Euros into the country.

You do are allowed actually - if you declare it. Process is fast and easy, you just need the document(s) confirming the withdrawal of cash from your western account, and the autorisation for the export of cash that you have filled at your country's customs ((you can't export more than 10k € if you don't declare it and of course you need to have the adequate withdrawal documents - at least in EU, don't know about US). Brought 40k € to help GF to buy an apartment three years ago, went smooth as silk.

I've read recently that since January 2018, you can even import any sum without supporting documents (but you still have to make a declaration). Not very useful unless you are trying to launder money, but it makes the process at Borispol even easier I guess.

https://112.international/article/custom...23674.html

[ManX]

(08-21-2018 05:54 AM)Count Pierre Wrote:  

(08-21-2018 03:47 AM)Henny Wrote:  

You're not allowed to take more than 10k Euros into the country.

You do are allowed actually - if you declare it. Process is fast and easy, you just need the document(s) confirming the withdrawal of cash from your western account, and the autorisation for the export of cash that you have filled at your country's customs ((you can't export more than 10k € if you don't declare it and of course you need to have the adequate withdrawal documents - at least in EU, don't know about US). Brought 40k € to help GF to buy an apartment three years ago, went smooth as silk.

I've read recently that since January 2018, you can even import any sum without supporting documents (but you still have to make a declaration). Not very useful unless you are trying to launder money, but it makes the process at Borispol even easier I guess.

https://112.international/article/custom...23674.html

Pierre, are you having a long distance relationship with a Ukrainian?

I'm doing the same at the moment, but debating whether to move to Ukraine, or bring her to my country

[Bikal]

(08-21-2018 09:50 AM)ManX Wrote:  

(08-21-2018 05:54 AM)Count Pierre Wrote:  

(08-21-2018 03:47 AM)Henny Wrote:  

You're not allowed to take more than 10k Euros into the country.

You do are allowed actually - if you declare it. Process is fast and easy, you just need the document(s) confirming the withdrawal of cash from your western account, and the autorisation for the export of cash that you have filled at your country's customs ((you can't export more than 10k € if you don't declare it and of course you need to have the adequate withdrawal documents - at least in EU, don't know about US). Brought 40k € to help GF to buy an apartment three years ago, went smooth as silk.

I've read recently that since January 2018, you can even import any sum without supporting documents (but you still have to make a declaration). Not very useful unless you are trying to launder money, but it makes the process at Borispol even easier I guess.

https://112.international/article/custom...23674.html

Pierre, are you having a long distance relationship with a Ukrainian?

I'm doing the same at the moment, but debating whether to move to Ukraine, or bring her to my country

Not Pierre but you need to look at the relationship, how long you've known her, how well you know her and whether there's a life for her in your home country as you'll be asking her to leave everything for you. Also can you afford it?

Personally, if I were doing this, I'd move to her country for a bit as it's easier than relocating her to the UK/US/Wherever.

[Longshanks]

Moscow is an amazing city but I thought the overall quality was low. High mean but not much exceptional puss around.

[eck]

(08-20-2018 05:27 PM)almanoff Wrote:  

Just came back from Kiev, it was my first trip to that city. Three weeks, few relationships, few one-night stands, tons of hookers (17 women in 21 days). Spent around 7K USD. General impression: cuisine is better than chicks. World class and very inexpensive. Kiev is beautiful European city with third world prices. Most of the cash I had with me, I've brought back home. The city is overrun by Middle-Easterners in search of "white meat". Ratio in clubs is negative not in our favor. Day game does not exist. It is considered to be a bad manner, or a joke. Night game requires skills and it is a lot of competition from Turks and Arabs. Caribbean Club and Chi are only alive spots as of now. Reply or message if you need any further info. Flying to Moscow on Saturday and will gladly share the details. Happy hunting.

Can you elaborate that more? What do you mean by bad manner or joke?