[Ouroboros]

I've heard that the girls in Belgrade are unusually tall, will a guy of average or below average height be at a disadvantage compared to other EE countries? (particularly compared to Croatia; is there any difference in this regard?) If so, will other displays of masculinity (e.g. muscles, facial hair, confidence) do much to negate this disadvantage?
Also are Serbian/Croatian girls enamoured by foreigners or is the foreigner effect minimal?

[Cation]

Read the datasheets.

[marko888]

(06-26-2017 07:35 PM)Ouroboros Wrote:  

I've heard that the girls in Belgrade are unusually tall, will a guy of average or below average height be at a disadvantage compared to other EE countries? (particularly compared to Croatia; is there any difference in this regard?) If so, will other displays of masculinity (e.g. muscles, facial hair, confidence) do much to negate this disadvantage?
Also are Serbian/Croatian girls enamoured by foreigners or is the foreigner effect minimal?

Croatian girls are also quite tall in general although I think Serbian girls are a fraction taller but it is very similar.
In night clubs you can find it tougher since they mostly wear high heels so the height difference can be very exposed but I think you can still have a very good chance if you posses other advantages. Also being a foreigner can have a good effect.

[JohnnyQuest]

Okay guys, I am about to share my experience of Zagreb/Belgrade and no worries, I am not going to discuss any politics.

Let me put it as simple as possible. If you like travelling, go to Zagreb. If you want to game go to Belgrade. Even if you want to travel and game I would still advise everyone to go Belgrade.

Everything that will be discussed is from a black guy's perspective, as how I see it.

Firstly, Zagreb is unusually clean. You will rarely see lot of thrash roaming around the city centre like all those other major cities in Europe. The city centre is quite small, but still enjoyable to see since there are lots of hills in the city. Furthermore, the English level of Croats in Zagreb are unexpectedly high.

It could be said that they sound like American native speakers. Also, the city has a wide variety of restaurants which I am sure that many people will enjoy. Few fastfood restaurants here and there. Regarding the nightlife of Zagreb I have to say that it can be dissapointing (depends on when you will visit the city). I have been there in the summer which is a very bad choice since probably 60-70% of the locals go to the seaside in Croatia. I went with two other friends of mine, one who is also black. According to him, he didn't really feel safe in Zagreb, but that entirely depends on how confident-ish you are in a region where there aren't many black people.

I would recommend to visit this city for like 2/3 days, longer then that will lead to boredom.

Secondly, Belgrade....Belgrade....Belgrade. Well this city kind of has the vibe of ''Gotham City'' since it appears quite dark-ish and that there are no street lights in certain parts of the city centre. However...., do not be mistaken my friend, for this city is truly amazing for fellow Gamers. There are tons of hot girls walking around. Croatians and Serb have more or less the same height, but when it comes to looks, the Serbs are on a different level. They are oozing sexiness. Tits, ass, face, you name it, they got them. However, since Serbs tend to smoke ALOT, their beauty declines sharply after 26. Its like everywhere you go, you see people smoke.

The safety in Belgrade is either a hit or miss, I would not recommend going to Belgrade by yourself as a black guy. Because walking around the city is like being an artifact in the museum. You will get tons of stares.

Regarding the nightlife I have to say, that the hip hop (music) scene over there, is the best I have witnessed so far and I have traveled to many places. Furthermore, there are tons of clubs which you can choose from, although they are spread throughout the city, but that doesn't really matter since most of the clubs are worth visiting and are quite cheap.

Overall I could say that Zagreb is more appealing to the eye as a tourist since it has more greenery. English level is on par with the Serbs. The hips/bust ratio of Croats are inferior to that of Serbs. The city-centre of Belgrade is 2 times bigger then that of Croatia and it way cheaper then Croatia as well. Living in Belgrade for short-term period could be recommended.

Lastly, I was chatting with a Serbian girl in the club and according to her: ''Serbian girls are the hottest girls in the world''. Well I didn't really think she was right, but she wasn't wrong either. They are sexy as f#$k

PS: Unfortunately, I did not get a flag in Serbia nor Croatia.

[MrRoundtree]

Most people from the balkans are saying serbs are the hottest of former yugoslavia.

[sterling_archer]

(07-01-2017 07:08 PM)JohnnyQuest Wrote:  

Firstly, Zagreb is unusually clean. You will rarely see lot of thrash roaming around the city centre like all those other major cities in Europe. The city centre is quite small, but still enjoyable to see since there are lots of hills in the city. Furthermore, the English level of Croats in Zagreb are unexpectedly high.

Don't let this surprise you. Croatia has in each city very organized departments that regularly look after the trash everywhere. Its not just truck coming to pick up your house trash once a week, its practically 24/7 looking after the streets.

Regarding English, we learn it from the age of 7, but some start to learn it even earlier, around 5 or 6.

[dukecro]

Regarding English, we have titles on Tv not like Czech and Poles, where everything is with voice over.I have learned more from Delboy (some French also) then in school.

[sync]

(07-02-2017 02:33 AM)dukecro Wrote:  

Regarding English, we have titles on Tv not like Czech and Poles, where everything is with voice over.I have learned more from Delboy (some French also) then in school.

IN Poland in the cinema you have to read. And in TV Voice Over is rare.

[Nowak]

Going to update this with my own experiences about Serbia. I'll be in Croatia again soon. This is my own experience as well as the general consensus with the forum members I met in Belgrade, all cool dudes.

1 Ukraine is better ROI hands down. In short, girls just like meeting foreigners and eventually like fucking them. Serbs have a village mentality that makes dating hard. However, once you have a date in Serbia, you are in the clear. Opposite of Ukraine in many ways with the lizards mentality. Ukrainians will lead you on but you'll eventually be fine. Serbs ,when they like you they like you. There's also just not enough volume for decent day game in Belgrade compared to Kiev. I got two numbers from stunners ,the hotter one(a 8.5) who was eye fucking me like crazy ,neither translated to dates. Even though initial text exchanges were good. One weekend in Novi Sad a solid 9 also gave me crazy iois but her body language became much more cold when her other friends came , some of them beta Serbs who no one was fucking surely. This is the paradox of Serbia. In my experience, especially for high quality, night game is basically useless in Serbia. You can get a few passive aggressive makeouts from hotties who won't fuck or date you(just friendzone). I didn't like kissing girls because they seemed too distracted due to all their friends being present. Their minds and tongues weren't into the experience


2 Skip spring. The last few years spring has been very short. I'd recommend June and early July as the best time

3 For the amount of frustration most guys would have to face, I would honestly recommend to skip Serbia. Unless you want to save money and have other reasons to be based there, greener pastures are out there. Romania ,heck even Hungary are better places to go. Serbia like Ukraine has a lot of really really stunning girls, that doesn't mean you have access and quality is still overall hit or miss. Hungarian girls get and deserve a bad rap, however they will fuck you and the quality isn't overall that much better. I'd say 65 percent of girls in Serbia are between 5-7. 10 percent are really hot and the rest are below 5's. This is my personal experience but I'm not seeing the benefits. Girls play a shit ton of games, they can act masculine and bossy at times, they can be demanding. They tend to have aging skin, thunder thighs and big calves and broad shoulders. Overall its still top notch EE quality, but it's good to temper expectations.



Serbia is a good place though to save money and self development. Wouldn't live here for over a year though unless you have something else good non lizard related going for you. Also for all the hotties you get good reception from,some who might even fuck you if it wasn't for the village mentality, your ego and confidence will go up. I rather get eye fucked by hotties than actually fuck 5s and 6s regularly so it's not all bad, it's just not a nation I can recommend for game.

[MrRoundtree]

Sums up my experience in Serbia.

Seems like a very frustrating place because the girls are so hot but it's not such an interesting country with good like quality and as was said, village mentality. Better go to Budva to try to get the serbian flag.

[Leads]

Spent 3 months in Zagreb this spring. Its a great place for 'cramming into the trolly bus' game. When you're already that close, things get super easy. It's true that they don't look at flawless at Serbs, but Zag has a slightly higher skank level. Will go back for sure.

[Nowak]

(07-28-2017 07:21 AM)Leads Wrote:  

Spent 3 months in Zagreb this spring. Its a great place for 'cramming into the trolly bus' game. When you're already that close, things get super easy. It's true that they don't look at flawless at Serbs, but Zag has a slightly higher skank level. Will go back for sure.

How much more open did girls seem for meeting foreigners?

[Leads]

Impossible to give metrics on such a thing. One would have to approach hundreds, if not thousands of women to give accurate stats. Just go and check it out.

Armed with the amazing info on this forum, one can quickly put together a skeleton of a plan, hitting key cities. One thing I do now is hit the perimeter towns/villages on the outskirts of a hub.

[invictusiii]

Heading to Split > Zagreb > Belgrade in a few weeks. Hoping to make some comparisons of my own, first hand.

[Beirut]

I imagine serbia would be frustrating for western style players.

Im in budva now and aside from one drunken fluke im applying a 2/3 dates rule to get anywhere.

Some western players will find this unworthy of the effort for a 7 or less and will get frustrated because theyre used to faster results.

Coming from Lebanon this doesn't affect me as im used to this system even with the sluts there.

I feel that serbian girls either need a lot of comfort if theyre not slutty, or some kind of dates with money spending if they are slutty. Girls in lebanon and serbia who are loose arent sluts looking for dick, but looking for a lifestyle upgrade (nights out at clubs etc...)

The only way i see to crack the high quality consistently here would be to have a nightlife crew and slowly bring the high end girls into it. Or find a good girl and date the shit out of her

[PainPositive]

(05-13-2017 11:34 AM)Nowak Wrote:  

(05-13-2017 11:03 AM)Beirut Wrote:  

Did you find Belgrade unsafe? I found it extremely safe, walked at all hours of the night and didnt even see shady people.

Although one member did report an incident outside of a club

People are big and drink a lot, I'd be careful if rolling solo(which I don't recommend anyways). The combination of a heavy drinking culture, hooligans and overall lower levels of development one has to be careful. I look pretty innocent and can pass for a local,I was paranoid/worried a few nights ago however. Anything can happen, don't let it be a turn off though ,definitely worth coming here. I had problems the first week with a "refugee" who asked for money and jabbed me after I refused to give the locust my keep. Overall its a safe city more or less.

Maybe you're just paranoid and scared of people who are bigger than you. I've Lived in Belgrade for the better part of three years and have witnessed 3 fights total while going out 3-5 nights per week. The only problem you had is with refugees so it's weird you attribute that to Serbians being aggressive.

As for your politics spiel I'd say your very limited time in both countries has led to conclusions on a matter you don't really know anything about.

[PainPositive]

(06-23-2017 10:35 PM)lowhead360 Wrote:  

(06-22-2017 03:18 AM)sterling_archer Wrote:  

(06-21-2017 01:19 PM)Rossi Wrote:  

It's very weird though. As far as I know, they look same, they speak same language, culture is probably same but just because they're from different branch of religion, they broke countries apart from each other.

Pretensions of Serbia on our territory since 19th century (and genocidal ideas) coupled with the Establishments orchestrating war caused that. Religion as a dividing tool is a minor thing.

Bit of an oversimplification there, don't you think? The NDH murdered hundreds of thousands of Serbs in ways that made the Nazis blush. That's not me misrepresenting shit, I can post historical accounts, data, and statistics if you'd like. The fact is EVERYONE in the Balkans except for Serbs are allowed to mourn their dead and their victims. The West has been telling us for the last thirty years that we're inherently evil and genocidal and anytime we make any mention of our dead and the atrocities we suffered, we're told to stop crying about it and move on.

I'm not trying to spread tension or say everything in our long history of bad relations was Croatia's fault, but for you to just utterly whitewash history like that is just plain dishonest. As for your comment about our "establishments", I totally agree.

As for your comment about Nedic's regime, that's just plain false. Serbia had the choice between being further carved up between Croatia, Hungary, and Bulgaria where we would have suffered even more genocide than we did or have a puppet state and have the opportunity to save some of our people. The vast majority of resistance against the Nazis was ethnically Serb.

This was said in a nice way. I could go further but it seems like when people go to Zagreb they get brainwashed fairly quickly. I recommend OP read this thread for more information on the topic. thread-56472.html

[Velebit]

(08-03-2017 06:23 PM)PainPositive Wrote:  

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This was said in a nice way. I could go further but it seems like when people go to Zagreb they get brainwashed fairly quickly. I recommend OP read this thread for more information on the topic. thread-56472.html

Touching link to a Srebrenica genocide denial thread that has NOTHING to do with Croatia or travel for that matter. Apparently the academic and international legal consensus on a clear cut issue such as an act of genocide perpetrated within the last 25 years is considered Croatian brainwashing. But yes, please tell me how this is a conspiracy against the red pill Serbs (and/or Russians)...

[Nowak]

(08-03-2017 06:23 PM)PainPositive Wrote:  

(06-23-2017 10:35 PM)lowhead360 Wrote:  

(06-22-2017 03:18 AM)sterling_archer Wrote:  

(06-21-2017 01:19 PM)Rossi Wrote:  

It's very weird though. As far as I know, they look same, they speak same language, culture is probably same but just because they're from different branch of religion, they broke countries apart from each other.

Pretensions of Serbia on our territory since 19th century (and genocidal ideas) coupled with the Establishments orchestrating war caused that. Religion as a dividing tool is a minor thing.

Bit of an oversimplification there, don't you think? The NDH murdered hundreds of thousands of Serbs in ways that made the Nazis blush. That's not me misrepresenting shit, I can post historical accounts, data, and statistics if you'd like. The fact is EVERYONE in the Balkans except for Serbs are allowed to mourn their dead and their victims. The West has been telling us for the last thirty years that we're inherently evil and genocidal and anytime we make any mention of our dead and the atrocities we suffered, we're told to stop crying about it and move on.

I'm not trying to spread tension or say everything in our long history of bad relations was Croatia's fault, but for you to just utterly whitewash history like that is just plain dishonest. As for your comment about our "establishments", I totally agree.

As for your comment about Nedic's regime, that's just plain false. Serbia had the choice between being further carved up between Croatia, Hungary, and Bulgaria where we would have suffered even more genocide than we did or have a puppet state and have the opportunity to save some of our people. The vast majority of resistance against the Nazis was ethnically Serb.

This was said in a nice way. I could go further but it seems like when people go to Zagreb they get brainwashed fairly quickly. I recommend OP read this thread for more information on the topic. thread-56472.html

I read the thread, people agreed with me. Hatred of the Serbs was part of NS ideology. People who refused to cooperate in killings themselves would be killed in Both NS Germany and the various puppet states. Same goes for killings Jews,Roma ect. Maybe I was just paranoid, but I still don't recommend rolling solo really anywhere in the Balkans at night. Was a mistake bringing politics in the thread.

Serbia is not a nation for game if you want high quality. I don't recommend people come for longer than 3 months. Even then, its only those who are truly interested.

[Nowak]

(08-03-2017 10:51 AM)Beirut Wrote:  

I imagine serbia would be frustrating for western style players.

Im in budva now and aside from one drunken fluke im applying a 2/3 dates rule to get anywhere.

Some western players will find this unworthy of the effort for a 7 or less and will get frustrated because theyre used to faster results.

Coming from Lebanon this doesn't affect me as im used to this system even with the sluts there.

I feel that serbian girls either need a lot of comfort if theyre not slutty, or some kind of dates with money spending if they are slutty. Girls in lebanon and serbia who are loose arent sluts looking for dick, but looking for a lifestyle upgrade (nights out at clubs etc...)

The only way i see to crack the high quality consistently here would be to have a nightlife crew and slowly bring the high end girls into it. Or find a good girl and date the shit out of her

With the shit ton of games girls even less than 8's play. Most aren't going to cook and clean for you.


Ukraine is where its at.

[PainPositive]

(08-03-2017 07:44 PM)Velebit Wrote:  

(08-03-2017 06:23 PM)PainPositive Wrote:  

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This was said in a nice way. I could go further but it seems like when people go to Zagreb they get brainwashed fairly quickly. I recommend OP read this thread for more information on the topic. thread-56472.html

Touching link to a Srebrenica genocide denial thread that has NOTHING to do with Croatia or travel for that matter. Apparently the academic and international legal consensus on a clear cut issue such as an act of genocide perpetrated within the last 25 years is considered Croatian brainwashing. But yes, please tell me how this is a conspiracy against the red pill Serbs (and/or Russians)...

Every Canadian I talk to about this are completely and totally biased because of their beta pc politics that are taught in schools. Serbia had the most casualties of anyone in this conflict and was bombed illegally by NATO pushed for by Bill and Hillary Clinton. You are cucked on this subject.

[PainPositive]

(08-03-2017 08:13 PM)Nowak Wrote:  

(08-03-2017 10:51 AM)Beirut Wrote:  

I imagine serbia would be frustrating for western style players.

Im in budva now and aside from one drunken fluke im applying a 2/3 dates rule to get anywhere.

Some western players will find this unworthy of the effort for a 7 or less and will get frustrated because theyre used to faster results.

Coming from Lebanon this doesn't affect me as im used to this system even with the sluts there.

I feel that serbian girls either need a lot of comfort if theyre not slutty, or some kind of dates with money spending if they are slutty. Girls in lebanon and serbia who are loose arent sluts looking for dick, but looking for a lifestyle upgrade (nights out at clubs etc...)

The only way i see to crack the high quality consistently here would be to have a nightlife crew and slowly bring the high end girls into it. Or find a good girl and date the shit out of her

With the shit ton of games girls even less than 8's play. Most aren't going to cook and clean for you.


Ukraine is where its at.

A lot of assumptions for a person who spent so little time in Belgrade. There are many players here doing well with high quality. Your personal experiences are just yours. Me and other forum members do well here and I've fucked more 8s here than any other country I've been to. All my Girlfriends save 1 cooked and cleaned for me regularly. Many of the girls I didn't even date have also. I often woke up after a girl stayed the night to my clothes folded on my couch and her making breakfast. Many girls cook and clean especially if you tease them about not taking care of you.

Could it be possible that you're just frustrated because of your lack of success here?

[Beirut]

Serbia did seem like the perfect place for a ltr to me.

Women there seemed like they respect relationships and thats their ultimate goal. The girl i spent time with in belgrade was probably the nicest and most pleasant ive ever met.

Ive met now one in budva who isnt that pretty but has an awesome personality which made dates with her easy.

Havent ltr one and only been with a handful of serbs so cant say im an expert but while i didnt see them in belgrade theres a lot of serbian stunners here. I think having the social status there and circle and accessing them would make serbia a great place for quality. Overall it has some advantages over ukraine which is too heavily targeted by p4p and money and shady people and for me as an arab i have no sex tourism stigma with serbs. That and its cheap and easy to live in.

I didnt find belgrade easy to score in and my bangs were an old pipeline and fluke badoo, but i liked the vibe enough and the serbs i saw in budva enough that i wsnt to give it a longer shot.


Pain how long have you been or were in serbia? Any serbian roots/language skills?

Do you think developping social circle is the main thing that helped you there? Or simply thr fact you were there long term?

[Nowak]

(08-04-2017 05:00 AM)PainPositive Wrote:  

(08-03-2017 08:13 PM)Nowak Wrote:  

(08-03-2017 10:51 AM)Beirut Wrote:  

I imagine serbia would be frustrating for western style players.

Im in budva now and aside from one drunken fluke im applying a 2/3 dates rule to get anywhere.

Some western players will find this unworthy of the effort for a 7 or less and will get frustrated because theyre used to faster results.

Coming from Lebanon this doesn't affect me as im used to this system even with the sluts there.

I feel that serbian girls either need a lot of comfort if theyre not slutty, or some kind of dates with money spending if they are slutty. Girls in lebanon and serbia who are loose arent sluts looking for dick, but looking for a lifestyle upgrade (nights out at clubs etc...)

The only way i see to crack the high quality consistently here would be to have a nightlife crew and slowly bring the high end girls into it. Or find a good girl and date the shit out of her

With the shit ton of games girls even less than 8's play. Most aren't going to cook and clean for you.


Ukraine is where its at.

A lot of assumptions for a person who spent so little time in Belgrade. There are many players here doing well with high quality. Your personal experiences are just yours. Me and other forum members do well here and I've fucked more 8s here than any other country I've been to. All my Girlfriends save 1 cooked and cleaned for me regularly. Many of the girls I didn't even date have also. I often woke up after a girl stayed the night to my clothes folded on my couch and her making breakfast. Many girls cook and clean especially if you tease them about not taking care of you.

Could it be possible that you're just frustrated because of your lack of success here?

Yes me and many others had a lack of success as previously said. People can read the threads and decide for themselves. They can also post their experiences on this thread. I'm not going to spend a year in one city to see if its good for game. Living wise I know its really not a good long term location. There's no spring, food isn't as good as people say long term. Summers and winters are brutal.


In Kiev you have an army of women to run game on, much more volume. Many of them who prefer foreigners over locals. They aren't nearly as tall. It's a bigger more well rounded city. They also don't have the issue of large calves, broad shoulders, thunder thighs and large noses. Nowhere is perfect, people need the full picture.

[Velebit]

(08-04-2017 04:51 AM)PainPositive Wrote:  

(08-03-2017 07:44 PM)Velebit Wrote:  

(08-03-2017 06:23 PM)PainPositive Wrote:  

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This was said in a nice way. I could go further but it seems like when people go to Zagreb they get brainwashed fairly quickly. I recommend OP read this thread for more information on the topic. thread-56472.html

Touching link to a Srebrenica genocide denial thread that has NOTHING to do with Croatia or travel for that matter. Apparently the academic and international legal consensus on a clear cut issue such as an act of genocide perpetrated within the last 25 years is considered Croatian brainwashing. But yes, please tell me how this is a conspiracy against the red pill Serbs (and/or Russians)...

Every Canadian I talk to about this are completely and totally biased because of their beta pc politics that are taught in schools. Serbia had the most casualties of anyone in this conflict and was bombed illegally by NATO pushed for by Bill and Hillary Clinton. You are cucked on this subject.

Provide some credible sources on any of your claims, particularly the Serbian casualties statistics. You're an ignorant troll.