[Transsimian]

(03-17-2017 07:09 PM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  

In my opinion the Alt Right is a Hotep cult of sorts. They are right on some issues, but a strong part of them goes crazy in terms of race and "Aryan purity".

That, and putting women on a pedestal

[Lumumba]

I would love to hear what the alt-right are right about.
Seems to me that they're just a bunch of scared white men.
Scared of a changing world, scared of their inability to change with it.
Scared of others seeing themselves as equal, and asking they be treated as such.
Just scared little men.

[SamuelBRoberts]

(03-20-2017 06:25 AM)Lumumba Wrote:  

I would love to hear what the alt-right are right about.
Seems to me that they're just a bunch of scared white men.
Scared of a changing world, scared of their inability to change with it.
Scared of others seeing themselves as equal, and asking they be treated as such.
Just scared little men.

They're right about the fact that you have to go back, for one thing.

[Fortis]

I also agreed with his stance on immigration. We already have our own poor people, why the hell do we need more Mexicans. Poor Whites and Blacks could take many of those jobs.

[Simeon_Strangelight]

(03-20-2017 07:56 AM)Fortis Wrote:  

I also agreed with his stance on immigration. We already have our own poor people, why the hell do we need more Mexicans. Poor Whites and Blacks could take many of those jobs.

Exactly - many folk contributed to the creation of the US, most blacks did not come voluntarily to the US. They worked for generations for the wealth of the nation, later they fought in the wars, they earned their right to stay with sweat, blood and labor and now SJW shitleads like that troll above say, that Americans should compete with 2 billion 3rd world citizens who are willing to work for 1$/hr? Why? Why the fuck should anyone open up borders to compete with the entire fucking world? I don't see the gulf states doing that, I don't see China, Japan, Israel, Hong Kong, Mexico or Singapore doing that! So why the fuck should Western countries open borders to anyone?

Yeah - compete - go fuck yourself Lumumba with those SJW bullshit phrases. That is not competition. That is tantamount to opening the doors to raping, pillaging and killing hordes - and dare you not resist, because that is racist! Only racist when Western countries do it, anyone else is allowed to.

[Lumumba]

I know where I come from, I plan to go back to it when I can.
I suspect you think I'm African American.
In any case, where do you believe African Americans should go? Back to Africa?
For what reason?

[Lumumba]

"Yeah - compete - go fuck yourself Lumumba with those SJW bullshit phrases. That is not competition. That is tantamount to opening the doors to raping, pillaging and killing hordes - and dare you not resist, because that is racist! Only racist when Western countries do it, anyone else is allowed to."

@zelcorpion
Why are you so triggered?
Racism 's racism regardless of who does it. If the South Africans start grabbing lands from whites because they're white, that's racist too. I'm not saying countries should have an open door immigration policy - that's stupid - the problem with alt-right cultists is that thEy don't even want immigration from non-white countries. Even if those non-white countries have been affected by actions your own country has taken. See Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria et al. Whether you like it or not, you have a moral responsibility to take in refugees fleeing conflict from countries that you are bombing. Look at African countries like Kenya, they've taken Somalian refugees en masse. And they've done it because they have a responsibility to. They do get criticised as racist against Somalis sometimes, you might not hear about such things because your focus isn't on Africa.

As for the crime brought by refugees and immigrants, how much is it and is it proportional to the rest of the population?

[SamuelBRoberts]

(03-20-2017 09:39 AM)Lumumba Wrote:  

I know where I come from, I plan to go back to it when I can.
I suspect you think I'm African American.
In any case, where do you believe African Americans should go? Back to Africa?
For what reason?

There is no reason. There is just you, and the place you have to go back to. And then the going back. It's very Zen that way.

You know Zen, right? It's from a culture that's produced something of value, unlike your own.

[Lumumba]

SamuelBRoberts Wrote:

There is no reason. There is just you, and the place you have to go back to. And then the going back. It's very Zen that way.
You know Zen, right? It's from a culture that's produced something of value, unlike your own.

I don't have to go back to anywhere, friend.
I go where I please.
You need to rid yourself of this silly notion that you and your people are owed something.

What exactly do you define culture, and how do you gauge its worth?

[debeguiled]

(03-20-2017 03:24 AM)Fortis Wrote:  

I suppose this ties into another point that bothers me a fair bit. Why can't American nationalism include non-whites who have a stake in America. I'd rather die than give up my citizenship. My ancestors have fought and bled in wars for America? What more must I do to prove my value? Why does it always seem to come down to "you need to be with your people cuz demographics + proxomity = warlozlozlzolzozlzolzozlzozlzozlzolzozlzo!!!!"

Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to move into some all white area in america and bring "progress" to them, but I don't really get why it's automatically assumed that my allegiance is to a color and not to my nation. There are TONS of blacks I actively dislike. Why is it assumed that we blacks are going to always select other blacks over whites?

I think this new strain of white nationalism is purely reactionary, and especially for the men the result of being crapped on in the media and at universities for over fifty years.

They see their numbers dwindling, and no matter what they do, they are the enemy, so it is like going into prison for them, at least emotionally, if you don't join up with the Aryans, you will have no one.

I am not saying white guys, even the poor, have had it as bad as other self identified groups, though some have, I think it is more they are looking ahead to the future and know it will not be pretty for them once they become the minority, so they are kind of side stepping civic ideas of nationalism and doing what all the other groups are doing before it's too late.


I would say most people would agree with you, that as long as we share the same values we should just get along, but when people are under stress, values kind of go out the window, and everyone teams up with whoever they see as *people like us.*

Not a pretty picture.

[SamuelBRoberts]

(03-20-2017 10:08 AM)debeguiled Wrote:  

I would say most people would agree with you, that as long as we share the same values we should just get along, but when people are under stress, values kind of go out the window, and everyone teams up with whoever they see as *people like us.*

Not a pretty picture.

It's fairly simple. Leaving everyone alone and "getting along as long as we share the same values" works only as long as well... it works.

Let's say I live in a town with some Muslims. It's 40% white, 30% peaceful moderate muslims, and 30% angry white-hating muslims. I shouldn't have much of anything to worry about, right? If you add in the peaceful muslims, 70% of us share the same values against a mere 30% of extremists. No problem.

Except when push comes to shove, the "moderates" are going to side with their own fellows, if only out of a sense of "go-along, get along". They're not on my side, and they were never on my side.

My only choice for survival is to ensure that I live in a community dominated by my own racial group. Otherwise I'll be pushed out by people who hate me for my skin color, and the people of other colors who "share my values" won't lift a finger to protect me.

I don't particularly like this conclusion, but I don't get to pick which parts of reality I like and which parts I don't like.

[Simeon_Strangelight]

Stupid SJW meme crapping.

Nowhere did I say that American blacks should come back to Africa while they had been living in the US for centuries.

While the usual SJW you twist arguments, then make up other crap.

All cultures are equal? What is culture at all? Go fuck yourself.

If you went back 30 years, you found exactly what made each European culture unique just as some African and Middle Eastern countries had a unique culture. That changes sure over time, but this idea that the West should wipe out it's culture just to appease the globalists and SJW shitheads like you - yeah - very good reasons for that.

[Lumumba]

(03-20-2017 10:36 AM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  

Stupid SJW meme crapping.

Nowhere did I say that American blacks should come back to Africa while they had been living in the US for centuries.

I never said you did, I'm trying to reply to two people at once.

Quote:

While the usual SJW you twist arguments, then make up other crap.

All cultures are equal? What is culture at all? Go fuck yourself.

I never said all cultures are equal, and that reply wasn't to you.
I was asking that other guy how exactly he defines a culture and its worth.

Quote:

If you went back 30 years, you found exactly what made each European culture unique just as some African and Middle Eastern countries had a unique culture. That changes sure over time, but this idea that the West should wipe out it's culture just to appease the globalists and SJW shitheads like you - yeah - very good reasons for that.

Cultures influence each other. They always have and they always will.
That influence is happening at a faster pace today due to things like the internet - which has no borders.
I'm curious what aspect of Western culture you see as being 'wiped' out.
From what I can tell, the West is as strong as ever. The fact that so many people want to live in Western countries is evidence of that.
The problem with the alt-right is that they are just as short-sighted as the SJW's.
They see culture as something that's based on ethnicity.
Which is why SJW's cry when they see, for example, a white woman teaching a yoga class.
Or a white man teaching a Judo class - cultural appropriation wah wah wah.

I've known Muslims who grew up in the West, they did all the same shit as ethnic whites.
They drunk, partied, fucked girls, bantered all the same.
I'm trying to understand exactly what he sees as culture and what part he feels is being undermined.

[SamuelBRoberts]

(03-20-2017 10:25 AM)SamuelBRoberts Wrote:  

My only choice for survival is to ensure that I live in a community dominated by my own racial group. Otherwise I'll be pushed out by people who hate me for my skin color, and the people of other colors who "share my values" won't lift a finger to protect me.

For an example of what I'm saying, look at Lumumba in this very thread. He's a fairly articulate guy who mouths all the standard modern platitudes, and probably has a nice semblance of a western lifestyle. But do you think that even if you were to agree with him on everything, and "share his values", he would lift a finger to protect you from his violent, low-IQ brethren? No. At best he'd stay out of any conflict between you and them, and at worst he would actively join in against you.

And that, Lumumba, is why you need to, and why you will, go back.

[rudebwoy]

(03-20-2017 10:08 AM)debeguiled Wrote:  

(03-20-2017 03:24 AM)Fortis Wrote:  

I suppose this ties into another point that bothers me a fair bit. Why can't American nationalism include non-whites who have a stake in America. I'd rather die than give up my citizenship. My ancestors have fought and bled in wars for America? What more must I do to prove my value? Why does it always seem to come down to "you need to be with your people cuz demographics + proxomity = warlozlozlzolzozlzolzozlzozlzozlzolzozlzo!!!!"

Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to move into some all white area in america and bring "progress" to them, but I don't really get why it's automatically assumed that my allegiance is to a color and not to my nation. There are TONS of blacks I actively dislike. Why is it assumed that we blacks are going to always select other blacks over whites?

I think this new strain of white nationalism is purely reactionary, and especially for the men the result of being crapped on in the media and at universities for over fifty years.

They see their numbers dwindling, and no matter what they do, they are the enemy, so it is like going into prison for them, at least emotionally, if you don't join up with the Aryans, you will have no one.

I am not saying white guys, even the poor, have had it as bad as other self identified groups, though some have, I think it is more they are looking ahead to the future and know it will not be pretty for them once they become the minority, so they are kind of side stepping civic ideas of nationalism and doing what all the other groups are doing before it's too late.


I would say most people would agree with you, that as long as we share the same values we should just get along, but when people are under stress, values kind of go out the window, and everyone teams up with whoever they see as *people like us.*

Not a pretty picture.

http://time.com/4585232/white-deaths-exc...ed-states/

Maybe they should have more children like the muslims.

[Lumumba]

SamuelBRoberts Wrote:

For an example of what I'm saying, look at Lumumba in this very thread. He's a fairly articulate guy who mouths all the standard modern platitudes, and probably has a nice semblance of a western lifestyle. But do you think that even if you were to agree with him on everything, and "share his values", he would lift a finger to protect you from his violent, low-IQ brethren? No. At best he'd stay out of any conflict between you and them, and at worst he would actively join in against you.

And that, Lumumba, is why you need to, and why you will, go back.

See, if the world was as you claim - if people only ever act to further their own race/ethnicity despite their values -
then slavery would have never ended in America, the civil rights era would have never happened, the whites in South Africa would have been murdered in their sleep.
The black slaves, who were a minority, found refuge among whites who shared their values.
The people marching for civil rights weren't just minority African Americans, change was achieved when whites who shared the same values joined the movement.
The reason the minority whites in South Africa weren't murdered in their sleep (despite so many black people wanting that end for them) is because black leaders like Mandela valued reconciliation.

You seem to find it hard to believe that not everyone places their race before reason.
I think it's because you yourself place race before reason.

[SamuelBRoberts]

(03-20-2017 11:30 AM)Lumumba Wrote:  

"The reason the minority whites in South Africa weren't murdered in their sleep (despite so many black people wanting that end for them) is because black leaders like Mandela valued reconciliation."

From a story published no less than 5 hours ago...

Quote:

White South Africans, especially the Afrikaners, face perhaps the greatest threat to their existence in centuries on the continent after South African president Jacob Zuma recently came out in support of confiscating white-owned property without compensation.

There are well-founded fears of “genocide” against white South Africans amid reports of surging crime, especially against farmers. And white South Africans face even more race-based laws and regulations than existed under apartheid, driving minority white South Africans out of the economy and forcing many into squalid squatter camps.


Read more at http://www.wnd.com/2017/03/targets-in-so...kr2dH2u.99

This is what happened to idiot whites in South Africa who believed that "reconciliation" was anything more than a code word for "We'll wait until your guard is down to murder you."

Thankfully, we can learn from their example, and send people like you back.

[rudebwoy]

This is not the place for race topics.

This is a forum about game, women and travel.

The world revolves money, the elites use race and other diversions to keep us divided.

[Quintus Curtius]

(03-20-2017 11:51 AM)rudebwoy Wrote:  

This is not the place for race topics.

This is a forum about game, women and travel.

The world revolves money, the elites use race and other diversions to keep us divided.

Iiiiisssoo, cara.

[SamuelBRoberts]

I've got no idea what that says, but I am curious how that guy's nose attached to his finger.

[Simeon_Strangelight]

That Mulumba guy instantly outed himself as a SJW with his "competition argument". Everything else coming after it were other moronic arguments.

Everyone in bloody Europe knew what made up the native culture - they may be a bunch of platitudes to you, but the customs, foods, buildings, music, festivities of each European country was different from each other - British, Scots, Dutch, Belgian, French, Germans, Swiss, Swedes, Poles etc. They each have different history, language, customary traditions, foods, celebrations, main products they are proud of that distinguished themselves from each other.

And what does that shithead bring up? Yoga mats and micro-breweries? What the fuck is wrong with those people?
I know that Americans had a more melting-pot culture and it was more transient, but even there you had a dominating nature shaping the customs.

Claims that Indians, Africans and millions of Arabs will make Germany and Sweden identical in 40 years are just deluded. Also Europe does not need any immigration whatsoever - and neither does the US. If the unemployment rate is at 2% and not the actual 10-15% real rate, then we can start talking about immigration, but not before. Also we should have in law prescribed like Mexico that the ethnic makeup must not change in terms of percentage. Japan with 80 mio. Japanese in 40 years will still be Japan. Germanistan with a 40 mio. Muslim population will be a violent shithole ready for World War III. That is culture for you.

It is bad enough to hear all those shitty arguments everywhere from the marxists in media, academia, politics, business. Guys like that can go comment on Huffpo - they will be lauded like the good serfs they are for the globalist elite.

And we can unite across ethno-boundaries - some of the Hoteps just as some of the AltRighters understand that our joint first enemy is the fractional reserve banking, the usury system with the globalist owned central banks. We are all equally aware of the propganda that is destroying families, communities, creating safe spaces, victim-complex-ridden morons and violent leftist propanda and useless divisions.

While I have little hope for real success, I see when there is a valuable rebellion against the elite and I see that some men can profit from it tremendously on an individual level. That is why guys like the Hotep-Jesus is an ally and the BlackLivesMatter morons and the SJW-marxists are simply brainwashed enemies who are neo-Stalinists. They will need their safe spaces and Soros money, while men like Hotep Jesus can thrive and prosper.

[Quintus Curtius]

^^

Sam:

It basically says that "the post is so good that it deserves two thumbs up [or 'likes']"

(The kid has a deformity with his thumb where there are two thumbs, hence the joke.)

[TravelerKai]

Samuel aren't you Jewish yourself? Forgive me if I recall incorrectly. Why would you not go back to your own homeland if it is just that simple?

Americans had plenty of chances to expel any group(s) they did not like a very long time ago.

Only a mug would look at the world like this and ignore the money component staring it in the face.

1. Slaves (Black people/Irishmen) -

A) Protestants/Settlers never bothered to ship the Irishmen back to Ireland. Why? Money. It was more lucrative to manipulate and abuse them. Heck the Irish themselves tried as much as they could to make the best of it because to some of them, it was still better money opportunity than back home in Ireland. Capturing Natives almost always was a bad idea and never worth the risk. Black ones were not as easy to get there early on and too expensive. Again, money!

B) After the Civil War, why did they not consider sending all blacks back to Africa? The reason why is because the Civil War had nothing to do with race. It was all about money! The North HATED competing with a tax free labor system selling all it's cotton to good ol England and Europe. Here they are trying to build a nice and decent modernized white middle class with good factory jobs, and these feudalistic leeches called plantation owners are pimping negroes and poor ass white boyz (white sharecroppers) in an ancient English aristocracy system! One that does not pay taxes nor number correctly in Congress! (votes are the other reason outside of money)

Lincoln could not sell war to Northern Whites unless he had a plan to pay it back somehow. Slaves were going to work and pay taxes and the landowners were going to pay taxes on their workers. (Slaves only worth 1/3 of a person tax wise prior to the war) You think war is about ideologies? Feelings? No it's about money.

When the rich landed gentry whites that controlled the South lost or almost lost everything they had before, they quickly counter by making laws to make slaves into sharecroppers. In the process they fuck and screw over the poor white dudes that used to have those jobs in the process! These white folks are so dumb they round up all the negroes to kill just to get their piece of pie back! (As well as whatever votes and seats they lost in congress!)

The poor white men that fought in the South, said fuck it, and went west for gold, silver, and cattle running. Some just robbed trains, banks, and saloons instead. Why again? No more money or opportunities because the South was a hot mess. Did anyone out West say these fuckers needed to go back to the South? No because plenty of them could be put to work in mines and other places.

Poor white men thinking with their hearts and not their brains because they had no education or critical thinking skills. Muh Heritage! Muh culture! Nah brother! They took your fucking money, your inheritance, and your opportunities away from you the minute they allowed slavery! So much for your business idea of a new and cool farming tool!! Niggers are still tooo cheap for Boss Man to bother purchasing your efficient farm tool!

2. Muslims (race irregardless)

A) Not only did American Black Christians fail to check or stem the growth of Islam in the Black community, White Americans never bothered to stop them either! That cop killed in Dallas was a terrorist shooting by a Muslim, yet because he was black the press won't call it that. We can go back to how the Crusades were an utter failure, but that's spilled milk. Now they fester in our societies like a sore. Christians read the Bible themselves post Martin Luther's Church Proclamation and realize that holy wars are not Biblical for a Christian to conduct, and now everyone is stuck with them. Womp Womp.....

Muslims have a money component too. We have done business with them for hundreds of years, not caring about what they were all about. If we truly did not want their money, their flaws would have been more readily apparent.

3. Mexicans and other Latinos

A) Today, now these folks comprise of a great deal of the workforce. The forces trying to keep open borders, sanctuary cities, and illegal immigration alive are doing it all for the money. The emotional fucks are not anyone of real influence. They are the useful idiots. There is a reason Bush and every single Republican never put their foot down back then either. All his sponsors and donors use illegal immigrants for work. Corporate America does not give a shit about the whole country turning into a Section 8 ghetto. They want to sell you shit. Even poor illegals can afford a phone that has Facebook on it.

B) You got cattle ranchers and beef processors that have illegal Mexicans coming in to clean slaughterhouse equipment because they swear it is too dangerous and sometimes kills a guy or two if they fall into it. Gee, now if I were not a thinking man, I would no bother thinking about why that big agriculture business owner, not just hire a regular American man and buy more safety equipment so that the job is safer. Well, I think, so I know better than to believe that kind of bullshit, but again, these people are looking at money. They don't give a fuck about the laws.

I could have done a section on Polish people and Italians as well! I'm sure there were some people like you that wanted them to all go back, but was there any serious effort? Hell no! Polish were cheap/strong/replaceable workers and Italians had all kinds of uses.

What about Jews in America? Maybe people talked about kicking them out the loudest of all peoples, but not one person even bothered to lift a finger to write a law for it (to my knowledge at least). You guys shitting on Europe at least kicked Jews out from time to time. Americans haven't done anything at all. Not even whip out a table and start talks! How I know White Americans love Black people to death? You killed damn near 700,000 of each other over us. We aren't going any fucking where. The best Jew Solution America ever came up with is an electronic Holocaust called Stormfront, 4Chan, and the Alt-Right. What else you got?

Now it's 2017 and keyboard warriors are all of a sudden deciding, "Gee, why don't all you motherfuckers just go back to where you belong." Your great great grandfathers pondered it, saw no interest in doing this when it was easy to do, but yet, here you are with this brilliant, original, and shiny new idea.

It's garbage and intellectually bankrupt. It only applies to folks not here or here illegally, yet you want to apply this to long bloodline citizenry over mere skin tones?

[debeguiled]

TravelerKai! Beating down the disingenuous reductionism like a returning king.

[MMX2010]

Saying "You have to go back" isn't a literal call to expel people from America, it's a call to ignore and mock SJWs who make poor arguments in bad faith. (Notice how quickly Lugundum expanded his stupid arguments; that's the point!)

Hotep Jesus saying, "We should all migrate to Africa." isn't a literal call for the mass migration of all American Blacks to Africa, but rather (1) a challenge to American Blacks who constantly complain about racism and poverty to see just how good they have it, and (2) a challenge to american Blacks to honestly answer, "Are you Black first, or American first?"

Hotep Jesus saying, "No Arabs like any Black people" isn't a literal observation, but rather a follow-up shot to his most devastating and primary argument that American Blacks don't really have a culture unless they - and NOT Arabs, and NOT Asians - own all of their neighborhood corner stores.

You're all taking his rhetorical (read: not factually true, but emotionally true so as to inspire action) arguments as of they were intended to be factual, logical arguments.