Quote: (12-21-2016 09:15 AM)Samseau Wrote:
One of the things I completely underestimated so far has been the extent to which Leftists are willing to reject the election and throw temper tantrums. Because of how mentally deranged they are, we can expect massive Civil Unrest in California after the wall is built and deportations start, which should occur around in the latter half of 2017 or early 2018.
Why California? It is the only place Trump did not campaign in during the general, and if you take away Cali Trump won with overwhelming electoral + popular votes. The West coast, especially California, hates Trump.
Native Californian here. Yes, the liberal areas of California (the coastal regions, especially) will loose their shit as Trump ramps up deportations. I expect to see widespread obstruction of justice by the California DOJ and local law enforcement that is bought and paid for by Big Unions. Look at the riot in San Jose when Trump did a rally there. Trump supporters were attacked, and police held back and didn't arrest them. Those orders came from the top. There are still pockets of inland Californians who are conservative and love Trump. We are just outnumbered by the coastal elites.
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So California is where ground zero for civil unrest occurs. Especially with the deportation of illegals, the Mexicans will resist and probably shoot at ICE officers and cops. Even though Trump has stated he just wants to remove dangerous and violent illegals, judging from the reactions of the left's identity politics they will simply assume that anything Trump says is false and that the criminal and violent illegals are actually good boys who didn't do nothing.
Especially in Southern California there is a sizable bunch of gang bangers and outright Mexican nationalists who think California actually belongs to Mexico. Some of these radicals will have to be removed with force. It will get ugly. Trump will need to have the balls to actually charge government officials with Federal crimes if they obstruct. That is the only way you'll really root out the various insurrectionist networks that are deeply embedded.
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Trump will not back down and the left, so used to getting its way, will rapidly escalate the situation. How bad it gets is anyone's guess but there's no way the spoiled Mexicans will go back to Mexico quietly after getting everything they've wanted for the past several decades. We could see lots of law enforcement officials getting killed in the line of duty.
I hope he doesn't back down. So far he seems to be (mostly) on track with his campaign promises. Many illegals (not just Mexicans) won't go quietly. They've gotten used to the free healthcare, the driver's licenses that Governor Brown has issued them, and in-state tuition they can get by attending our taxpayer-funded college system. You're ripping a lot of free candy out of the hands of some very nasty babies. Cops will suffer, but if Trump is smart (which we know he is) he will massively increase the ICE payrolls and manpower to backup local cops and sheriffs who will overwhelmingly be on his side in the smaller and mid-size towns. In the major cities, the chiefs of police are just political appointees and will do their very best to ensure Trump's deportation plans are smashed. Trump will need an army of lawyers just to get every last one of them on the hooks. Better step up hiring at DOJ.
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My guess is Trump will not tolerate the bullshit, which is why he has so many generals in his cabinet, and will go as far as using the national guard to restore order to LA. There is not much federal control of LA, other than their dependence on gibs. Taking back the city will be difficult, and it may be necessary to actually siege the city if control is lost completely.
In some areas where there are horrible gangs like MS-13, I'd be all for rolling in the National Guard if the local police request backup, or refuse to do their job. The press would have a field day about the Trump Dictatorship and martial law. It would be bad optics IMO. Hopefully it only comes to this as a last resort. I do think Trump should declare the southern border a national emergency and permanently deploy our National Guard there until the border wall is built. It will be less controversial than having them operate in city centers. Better to arm up the ICE forces and have them do the dirty work of exporting the illegals. That's what they are designed to do. The National Guard can act to scout the border and turn back possible invaders.
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The unstable situation in LA will provide ample fuel for leftists in the rest of the country to act with moral grandstanding and a sense of purpose. We can expect mass protests "in solidarity with undocumented Americans," plenty of aid sent to those rebelling against Fascist Trump, and nonstop (((media coverage))) of anything even remotely bad that ICE, DHS, or the National Guard must do while fighting back the illegal whordes. The amount assistance from the left to escalate the situation in California is what makes the situation very dangerous.
For sure, the backlash will be furious. Hopefully if one thing we've learned about Trump's personality, is that he doesn't back down from a fight. The fact that he chose Maddog after Obummer snubbed him is a healthy sign.
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Additionally, the demonization of all law enforcement officials will result in more unrest in other major American cities at any potential infringement of civil liberties, real or imagined. Just like with Tray Tray, if some Black feels aggrieved by the police the (((media))) could whip up the Blacks into a frenzy in cities like Chicago, NYC, Atlanta, etc, on top of the ongoing situations in California. Soros and friends will also be pouring millions into the fire. Urban Northeast and Northwest Whites, in addition to supporting riots with funds, may even do mass tax protests against the Federal government to "stop Trump's fascism." Also there will be endless protests at colleges across America.
CNN and other agitators will do their best to claim the police are KKK, the blue collar worker is KKK, etc. There's no stopping them, as SJW's always double down. What's needed are more alternative media outlets to counter the spin. There needs to be 100 Breitbart clones, and an alternative platform to Twitter and Facebook as they start censoring patriotic Americans. Expect the Fake News narrative to dominate 2017 and beyond.
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There will be no Civil War as long as the Right is in power. However, that is because the Left does not think like we do. Right wingers just take abuse until one day, they snap and wage total war until victory. The Left is the opposite and uses Saul Alinsky tactics to grind and wear down their opponent. Endless guerilla tactics, riots, obstruction, and (((negative media coverage))), until normies are so sick and tired of it they vote for Democrats in two years who promise them to end the division and hostility of Trump's "fascist" regime.
Leftists aren't armed, by and large. Though I saw a few scattered articles saying liberals are arming themselves because they fear Trump internment camps.
Those of us on the Right will continue to arm up at a furious pace, just in case things get too out of hand. Those on the Left that think we're going to go quietly like the disarmed Western Europeans are in for a very rude surprise!
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Obviously, Saul Alinsky tactics backfired when the Left was in power and normies just saw the Left acting like retards attacking people who merely wanted to attend a Trump rally. But once the Left can seize upon the "morally righteous cause" of protecting undocumented Americans, they will go all in with disruption tactics plus potential insurrection in California.
Who cares if they attack us at this point? We can export their illegal voters, and we have force of the Federal government behind us for the first time in decades. It will be one glorious pile of Liberal Salt once Trump is done with them if they don't play ball. Trump is driven by ego. This man doesn't like losing. If someone snubs their nose at him, he'll be even more driven to finish the job. Liberals aren't used to dealing with a super alpha like Trump. Wakeup time!
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Hopefully Trump's team is wise to this game by now and has plans to handle things, but for our part we need to think of ways to prevent demoralization of Trump's support once the bullshit starts. We need to keep the moral high ground on our side to keep independents voting Republican by 2018.
The other negative consequence is that instead of deporting 20 million illegals, Trump might only be able to get out 2-3 million illegals. By the time the violent ones are gone, Trump may have emptied his political capital so much he will not be able to get rid of the rest. The fewer illegals we deport, the bigger a victory for the Left's demographic replacement plan.
Just by starting to export the criminal ones, you set a precedent to export the rest. That's what the Left is really worried about. They are going to lose a massive voting block, plus a future voting block. Trump knows that the shit is getting stirred if he goes forward with this. Given the recent attacks in Europe, Trump knows that the Islamics are coming next (and are already here!) and that border security can't be Security Theater. I, for one, welcome whatever shit we have to endure to fix this mess. Real Americans are armed to the teeth and are willing to suffer the worst of it to get rid of the invaders. We've just been waiting for a leader.
Our time has come.