[Kamikaze]

(12-21-2016 03:57 PM)The_e_man Wrote:  

How to inoculate my girlfriend from future players like me: Hah. There are always going to be guys with better game than me, better looking than me, better style than me, more money than me, more status than me, cooler lifestyle than me, more friends than me, etc. And if I have a gorgeous 9 or 10 girlfriend, I'm sure they are all going to be trying to hit her up.
Ultimately, you can't lock a women in your basement 24 hours of the day to "protect" her from other guys so it is 100% up to her if she wants to cheat on you or not.
So sure, her logical brain might be like "okay, I love my boyfriend. yes, other guys that are better looking or whatever than him want me. But I love what I have with my boyfriend." Thats her prefrontal cortex in action. Here's the problem though, her emotional brain thinks this "HYPERGAMY, HYPERGAMY, HYPERGAMY" which is mostly her mid-brain and hindbrain thinking these things, fully away from the grasp of the conscious control of her prefrontal cortex. AND, to make things even worse, the subconscious mind is powerful and takes control of the conscious mind all of the time. So she can even rationalize her behaviour in the moment. I know this is true because I see it right in front of me when women cheat on their boyfriends with me. They truly don't think they are doing anything wrong, they have convinced themselves with some mental acrobatics that their behaviour is justified.
How does a man defend himself against such a powerful unconscious force going on inside a woman's head? I wish I had the answer to that, brother.

You're right about all these things, I guess I'm just more optimistic about the outcomes.

I've also had several girls cheat on their boyfriends with me, although not for one-night stuff. Unfortunately these girls are generally cuter, and the flesh is weak.

A lot of these girls have a similar problem, which is that they're not getting their mid and hindbrains tickled by their significant others. The 'consequences' somehow do not outweigh the benefits of being with someone who can satisfy those baser instincts.

The common trend I see is that guys in general are push-overs, or thirsty. If you are consistently, subtly, and with calculated indifference hinting at what the consequences would be, that you can be out of her life any second, and be happy without her, that should get you a step in the right direction. If you are consistently in a place where you are literally invaluable to her, and that your happiness doesn't depend on her whatsoever, also helps. How do you gain that massive amount of value, as a man, though? It comes from what you do for a living, your perspective, and very simply how much of a man you are. To emphasize, not how much of a man you can be, but how much of a man you are. At 23 you're early on and you can position yourself to have a beast career that will allow you to have the type of value I'm talking about. Now that you've reached 100, and we all know that is a time-suck, hopefully you've been satiated enough that now you can focus on how to become the best you can be in other facets, to trade with the 9s on a more even playing field.

If you explain to her, what you just explained in your answer here, that is a step in the right direction. I do it all the time. That's how, I think, you can beef up that pre-frontal cortex, while also tickling that animal brain by showing you know what you're talking about, what you're looking for, and your and her place in the world.

Big congrats again man.

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[subterfuge]

Thanks for breaking down the basics of your game.

As someone who basically only does night-game and has only got 1 same-night-lay in approx 450 approaches since first reading about 'pickup' so far, i'm naturally interested.

Can you give an idea of how the actual interactions look and progress? I'm talking about what sort of small talk you make initially, how much 'intent' you show, and at what stage of the interaction, any sort of topics you try to force into most interactions and how you move away from platonic friendly chit chat, do you compliment much, what sort of things do you tease them about, any routines you recycle, how you escalate physically, any other patterns that you notice and think have helped etc

[RatInTheWoods]

Thanks for sharing your story.

I know what you mean about looks being an advantage.

My elvis look-alike wingman, tall dark and handsome has no game, never approaches and puts no effort in. They line up for him.

We got no option but to grind away with game. It works.

[The_e_man]

(12-21-2016 04:22 PM)Kamikaze Wrote:  

If you explain to her, what you just explained in your answer here, that is a step in the right direction. I do it all the time. That's how, I think, you can beef up that pre-frontal cortex, while also tickling that animal brain by showing you know what you're talking about, what you're looking for, and your and her place in the world.

Christian McQueen, a total boss that used to post on this forum has written a lot on this. He calls it "Deep Conversion" and it seems that it's something you might wanna check out brother.

[The_e_man]

(12-21-2016 04:24 PM)subterfuge Wrote:  

Thanks for breaking down the basics of your game.

As someone who basically only does night-game and has only got 1 same-night-lay in approx 450 approaches since first reading about 'pickup' so far, i'm naturally interested.

Can you give an idea of how the actual interactions look and progress? I'm talking about what sort of small talk you make initially, how much 'intent' you show, and at what stage of the interaction, any sort of topics you try to force into most interactions and how you move away from platonic friendly chit chat, do you compliment much, what sort of things do you tease them about, any routines you recycle, how you escalate physically, any other patterns that you notice and think have helped etc

With an approach to bang rate of 0.22%, something is definitely up that you need to work on brother. Otherwise you might be banging your head on the wall repeatedly. Although if you just recently started out (less than a year) then I wouldn't sweat it too much, probably just need to have some initial kinks auto-corrected and ironed-out by going out more and gaining more reference experience.

I honestly can't really answer many of those questions. It's more of a "go with the flow sort of thing." What I can tell you is after the initial approach is done and the ice is broken, I very quickly get aggressive and sexual. Very polarizing, either the girl is "in" or she's "out." Don't have time for anything in-between. This mindset has probably costed me a few bangs, but its efficient.

[Cattle Rustler]

(12-21-2016 01:55 AM)Travel Museums Wrote:  

I hate lay counts. I can go to the Philippines and get 500 bangs in a year. How often did you go out and how many bangs per week are u averaging? Sustainability across cultures is the true mark of a pua

Well, there's a member who thinks 3 Asians = 1 White American Woman....so in reality those 500 lays are only 166.67.

[The_e_man]

(12-21-2016 09:53 PM)Cattle Rustler Wrote:  

Well, there's a member who thinks 3 Asians = 1 White American Woman....so in reality those 500 lays are only 166.67.

And this, ladies and gentlemen, is why notch count is a shitty metric.

Although this brings up an interesting idea, quantifying notch quality.
I'd GLADLY take a notch count of 20 gorgeous blue-eyed blonde-hair white women over 100000 Asian women.
But that's simply my preferences.

For a more general example, I would gladly take 20 "tens" over 100000 "sixes"

[Il Bersagliere]

(12-21-2016 09:49 PM)The_e_man Wrote:  

(12-21-2016 04:24 PM)subterfuge Wrote:  

Thanks for breaking down the basics of your game.

As someone who basically only does night-game and has only got 1 same-night-lay in approx 450 approaches since first reading about 'pickup' so far, i'm naturally interested.

Can you give an idea of how the actual interactions look and progress? I'm talking about what sort of small talk you make initially, how much 'intent' you show, and at what stage of the interaction, any sort of topics you try to force into most interactions and how you move away from platonic friendly chit chat, do you compliment much, what sort of things do you tease them about, any routines you recycle, how you escalate physically, any other patterns that you notice and think have helped etc

With an approach to bang rate of 0.22%, something is definitely up that you need to work on brother. Otherwise you might be banging your head on the wall repeatedly. Although if you just recently started out (less than a year) then I wouldn't sweat it too much, probably just need to have some initial kinks auto-corrected and ironed-out by going out more and gaining more reference experience.

I honestly can't really answer many of those questions. It's more of a "go with the flow sort of thing." What I can tell you is after the initial approach is done and the ice is broken, I very quickly get aggressive and sexual. Very polarizing, either the girl is "in" or she's "out." Don't have time for anything in-between. This mindset has probably costed me a few bangs, but its efficient.

This is the kind of detail I was expecting from the OP. Your state of mind and how you felt -- those are secondary than what you did and how you did it. He did say the quality was variable, so hooking 4s and 5s at a club isn't too much effort and might just be minimal game plus whatever he looks like and style, based on his response of my other post.

It sounds a lot like shotgun game where you get dealt an insane amount of rejections and leave a lot up to chance.

[slothpiece]

I'm in my mid-to-late 30s and am sitting on 99. I have checked out for the most part for the last couple of years since Tinder and other online dating platforms changed the dymanic of being able to be one of the fewer people who still perform cold approaches at night like what used to be a good method for accumulating SNLs. Now women have access to men they didn't have access to in the past all from the comfort provided by their smartphones--an invention created by man. So I've spent a lot more time focusing on networking to help my career move forward to be a more valuable person.

I wish I spent more of my time focusing on networking opportunities in business social professional settings during my 20s vs spending 4+ nights a week then hitting bars to SNL bar sloots to rack up the notch count. That really isn't a priority in my life right now and I'm enjoying watching my bank account actually have money in it the more I spend time away from focusing on getting laid from visiting bars. I still go out maybe once or twice a month for that purpose, but I'm much more comfortable chilling at home working on career-building activities and learning about stuff I don't know about.

I appreciate you sharing your experience while accumulating the 100 lays. I once had tunnel vision focused on developing that skillset. My 100th lay is being reserved right now for someone special. I hope it's on January 20th. REEEEEEEE!!!!!

[262]

Game forum delivers great stories.

Why anyone would pass these up is beyond me.

[Palo_alto]

Any threesomes in those 100 lays?

[DimeBait]

I surpassed the triple digit threshold in my late twenties before I'd even heard about PUA or game related lifestyles. I often wondered if I was an outlier or was this normal. Although Google says, the average number of sexual partners a man has in his lifetime is 7, I discovered, some of the same folks who were the most vocal about game had significantly fewer notches than me. I stopped counting, but at age 40, I suspect it's about 120-130 and I would consider myself intermediate when it comes to game, at best.
Having been on game related forums for the last 10 years, I noticed its not something a lot of men talk about.

[subterfuge]

(12-22-2016 10:54 AM)DimeBait Wrote:  

I surpassed the triple digit threshold in my late twenties before I'd even heard about PUA or game related lifestyles. I often wondered if I was an outlier or was this normal.

I guess it can sometimes come down to jsut being goodlooking and just being in an optimal environment as opposed to 'game'. I mean, isn't 'game' just being social and confident? There aren't really magic tricks that can make a girl want to sleep with you.
I have lots of friends in their late 20's who have banged hundreds of girls, and none of them have a clue what game/pickup is. I'm in the UK, and the whole thing never quite took off over here like it did in the US. (of my 300 or so male facebook friends, I know of one person who has read about it)

But for example, one of them looks a bit like a younger Leonardo Dicaprio and he is the manager of a large clothing store. Lots of 16-18 year old girls work there, and he's banged about 60 of them over the last few years. He also gets the odd one night stand from clubs (and i've NEVER ever seen him approach a girl) and since he discovered tinder, his notch count has likely gone through the roof!

[Vinny]

I banged about 30 women in 2016. That is in 7 months free of work offshore. I don't like the feeling I start to get.

I used to love the mini-relationships, but now I am getting annoyed with some girls staying over. After hearing some deep thoughts from Linux I am starting to think that not only high notch count should not be pursued, but that it should be avoided.

Travelling and fucking is a fun but dangerous path. Spend to much time with a girl and she gets attached, spend to little and you end up fucking too many and this gets you damaged too.

I would like to hear the ideas or is this one of the unsolvable riddles of life. Is there even such a thing as a content man?

[Kid Twist]

I'm seeing the dangers of it and in what other honest guys like you say about it, Vinny. It reinforces that my tradition was/is right about things.

The struggle has been that in these messed up societies (who'd a thunk wealth and convenience would produce in a lot of ways more problems, I think expectation is one that comes with it, making it worse), the only answer is to struggle.

I keep thinking back to that article about how your dad's generation has absolutely no ability to understand or identify with what you're talking about, either --- or they just don't really care, even if they hear you out. But it can become a problem for them, because ... no grandkids since so few people are suitable for marriage.

[Geomann180]

(12-22-2016 11:42 AM)Vinny Wrote:  

I banged about 30 women in 2016. That is in 7 months free of work offshore. I don't like the feeling I start to get.

I used to love the mini-relationships, but now I am getting annoyed with some girls staying over. After hearing some deep thoughts from Linux I am starting to think that not only high notch count should not be pursued, but that it should be avoided.

Travelling and fucking is a fun but dangerous path. Spend to much time with a girl and she gets attached, spend to little and you end up fucking too many and this gets you damaged too.

I would like to hear the ideas or is this one of the unsolvable riddles of life. Is there even such a thing as a content man?

I'm sitting at 24, at 24 years of age. Not a lot, but more than the average guy without much game. Enough that I mostly know what I am doing and don't consider myself a newbie at this anymore.

I used to want to bang 100 hundred women, if not at least 50 before I got married. At the start of my journey, six (almost seven) years ago. That desire to bang as many as I could lasted sometime after December 2013, when perhaps the best relationship I had ended. The long story short, was it was a virgin German gal, long distance, and she was all in. I ended up throwing it away because I wanted to chase more tail and have variety. In hindsight, I regret that because my relationship with her was more satisfying than the next ten girls I had sex with.

As I cheated on a few girls and had been cheated on myself, I started to dislike who I had become, even though I got laid more often than I had ever before. I started replying to girls' texts slow to even the playing field but then even started doing that to friends and family. I would come home for the holidays and spend some time with family and then more time going out to drink and get laid. I'm now rejecting some girls as girlfriends, because I don't want to cheat on them and am not confident that I'd be able to resist if an opportunity came by.

I've come to the conclusion, on my own, that men can have sex with too many women, just like women can have sex with too many men. I'm sure the number is higher for men than women, and I hope I never find out what it is. I've read the stories of player burnout and guys who feel like they'll never bond strongly with a girl ever again, similar to horror stories of guys getting divorce raped by trusting the wrong women, and I have no desire to end up like either.

Ultimately, I know that in my heart of hearts, I want* to get married and have children. Four of them. To do that, I need to be able to pick a good woman and to be able to live with that choice. If I go on the path of banging as many women as I can, I think that there will always be the thought in my head that I could do better, or bang the next girl around the corner, if I have issues with my girlfriend (or future wife). But that's a bandaid solution, not a long-term fix.

I think PUA is better set of "delusions" compared to what society currently peddles - but ultimately its road leads to ruin for many. The problem, I think, is that ultimately PUA teaches you to deal and be successful with, broken women.

There's been lots of talk recently on the forum (recent = last 1 to 2 years) about making your mission a priority and not women. I agree with this 100%. However, if you're always on the hunt for new notches, you're still beholden to them more than your mission.

Maybe I'm generalizing and need to think a little better about how I communicate what's in my head, but I wanted to get this out.

G

*I'm trying to detract from anybody who wants to game and bang as many women as possible. Or guys who go down the PUA route (or never leave it). Just pointing out that my thoughts are influenced by my end game - having a family.

[MaceTyrell]

Great thread, thanks for this.

How much money have you spent in this journey to 100 lays?

[General Stalin]

(12-22-2016 11:42 AM)Vinny Wrote:  

I banged about 30 women in 2016. That is in 7 months free of work offshore. I don't like the feeling I start to get.

I used to love the mini-relationships, but now I am getting annoyed with some girls staying over. After hearing some deep thoughts from Linux I am starting to think that not only high notch count should not be pursued, but that it should be avoided.

Travelling and fucking is a fun but dangerous path. Spend to much time with a girl and she gets attached, spend to little and you end up fucking too many and this gets you damaged too.

I would like to hear the ideas or is this one of the unsolvable riddles of life. Is there even such a thing as a content man?

This is largely dependent on a man's path.

A lot of us here in this particular community face this conundrum simply because of the lifestyles we've chosen to lead. Most men are perfectly content just meeting a tolerable woman and being with her forever.

Most men here on the other hand, yourself included it seems, prefer not to have any particular attachment to women or have any women attached to them because they don't want to settle down and start a family and would rather chase hedonistic pleasures when it comes to the fairer sex as opposed to having a long and exclusive relationship an possibly raise a family.

Doing this for a long enough time you temper yourself to avoid attachment to women by default. The good news is, you can always reprogram yourself, evolve, and change your direction and your priorities.

The tenets of the manosphere or anything else do not dictate what you do with your life and how you interact with women. I myself have changed my behavior with women in the last year.

I used to just chase notches. I wanted new sex with different women all the time. Many of them I liked to keep having sex with, and there were a couple times I found myself desiring a relationship of some kind but pulled away from it. Now I embrace simply enjoying women sex or no sex, relationship or no relationship. I'm not afraid of being attached to a woman even if I know she is not a good long-term prospect. I've been seeing a girl now for about 3 months and spend a lot of time with her. I will not be with her in the long-run, I will not have a family with her, and she will not be "my girl" so to speak, but this is fine. We are seeing eachother semi-seriously now and we both have emotional attachment with one another and it's just great.

Eventually I will want a woman to have children with but not right now. When the time comes I have things I will be looking for in a prospect. I have no qualms about settling down and starting a family when I decide the time is right and I'm with the right girl. It all comes down to evaluating your life and what you want and what your desires are.

[Travesty]

My take away from this is that OP states he has an above average face and is in great shape if girls like his muscles.

I think guys put way too much emphasis on their height or race which girls can quickly get over if you say the right things the right way and are dressed the part.

As a tall white guy in good shape I can tell you the guys that have more success always have a better looking face or have a better talking game.

Race and height are much smaller markers for success than it seem many short or non white guys seem to think.

[The_e_man]

(12-22-2016 09:45 AM)Palo_alto Wrote:  

Any threesomes in those 100 lays?

Yes, but they weren't with girls that were very attractive at all. It was with this 6 that I met at the bar. Ended up going back to her place where she was having a few people over for a super low key after party with some drinks. She had a chubby friend that was like a 4, and the chick and this friend approached me at the after party asking if I wanted a threesome.

So it was with two very mediocre girls and it wasn't even orchestrated by me. I also didn't kiss either of them or really put in any work during the sex or even enjoy it that much.
I'd for sure like to start having more threesomes with really attractive girls though, I'm sure that would be loads of fun.

[The_e_man]

(12-22-2016 12:54 PM)MaceTyrell Wrote:  

Great thread, thanks for this.

How much money have you spent in this journey to 100 lays?

Man I'm super cheap and HATE spending money on girls.
I have a decent connection in the club industry in this city so I don't pay cover when I go out 99% of the time. I also don't drink.
So my cost factor is I suppose the gas I spend driving to the clubs and back.

Very little money spent. But A LOT of my time and sweat brother.

[The_e_man]

If anyone is curious what I look like physically, send me a message and I will give you my Instagram username.
My profile is open and non-private.

[Green-On-GO]

(12-22-2016 03:18 PM)The_e_man Wrote:  

If anyone is curious what I look like physically, send me a message and I will give you my Instagram username.
My profile is open and non-private.

I'm not curious but maybe you are just a sexy mofo now with preselection and sub comms to match.You got a bit of edge which white chicks like ,passion etc.Yeah you got 100 but the failures would of eclipsed that 100 especially on cold approach.Thats some hard character building growth right there.The IOIs ,warm approach must be massive now.You've got it and its radiating from the inside out.Start believing that you are a sexy mother fucker and it ain't your looks now.Of course maintain fitness.

I understand the Nth American obsession with height but that doesn't play out for me with Nth Americans even here in Oz.I actually like taller women.

From what I see here yes tall good looking guys do get hit on aggressively but usually by chicks below them.I see this with my mates but I never see the super hot babe approach overtly.

[StackGsMan]

I'm also very direct, probably even more direct than you have stated that you are. The big difference is most of my experience has been day game, but I plan to transition into night game solely looking for the ONS or mini-relationship situation. I'm tired of dating and only interested in getting as many decent to high quality notches as possible at the moment, and I've decided night game is the way to go.

You mentioned many of the girls you have been with have had a bf. My question for you is, at what point in the interaction does the bf come up and how do you deal with it? Like can you give an example of what you specifically say?

I ask this because I usually get the bf line when a girl rejects me. Sometimes I'm able to push through it and get the number anyway (keep in mind I'm mainly talking day game), but most of the time it's a no go.

[Lime]

Great story,

With regards to night game: do you usually kiss the girl in the venue where you met or do you wait until in private?

With regards to Tinder/online: do you wait with kissing until home or earlier?

Since I'm about the same height, how did you overcome this mentally? I can get the idea that I'm not good enough for the girls I'm gaming, but that disappearing a bit now I got some more successes. I'm also athletic built, with a good face and hair, it's not that I am bad proportioned short/ nor do I have an unproportionally big head.

I would guess that the assumption that 50% of girls do care about height and 50% don't is a good workable assumption. With some girls it's just innate and with some it isn't....