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11-30-2016, 09:39 AM
The police there are going to be pulling some serious overtime if Soros' agencies and other left-wing organizations decide to do battle.
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11-30-2016, 09:43 AM
I gave a rather long post a month or so ago on my personal experience with the production of putting up pipelines for upstream oil & gas somewhere on the forum. Wish I could find it now.
This was before the election so I was writing at the time with the assumption that these things would never be built under the presidency of Hillary. With that not happening however things are definitely looking up for US oil.
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11-30-2016, 12:52 PM
Enbridge just got the approval for their extension from Alberta to Wisconsin.
Northern gateway on hold again. This was the one Canada really needed so we could get our oil to market outside of North America. But at least Troolander approved something.
Even though it sounds like a shady deal with Alberta's hard left NDP to put a $50/tonne carbon tax on themselves for the approval.
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11-30-2016, 02:08 PM
Wonder how much Warren Buffett is paying these protesters, last thing he wants is more pipelines so he can continue his dominant position of transporting Bakken crude to market via the Burlington Northern Santa Fe railway.
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11-30-2016, 11:58 PM
This has less to do with the environment and more to do with corporate globalists making sure they have enough cannon fodder to keep disrupting their enemies.
If the environment truly mattered to these people, they would live their lives in a manner that actually equated to less carbon footprint and it would end up plunging the North America back into the 1600's.
Can you even imagine if even 1 million of us decided to 'get back to the land' and adopt the old Indian way of life? The forests and its animals would be wiped out in a couple years followed by war, starvation and death similar to the last time Indians had to fight.
These fools just don't understand that a $40 barrel of oil does the work of 200 farm animals and a forest of wood.
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12-01-2016, 09:19 AM
From what I understand, the east coast piedmont/coastal areas of the US were almost entirely deforested by the time of the Civil War. Most of the forests in those areas now are new growth, made possible by the use of non-wood sources of fuel. Tree huggers should be happy for the use of natural gas and coal.
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12-01-2016, 01:36 PM
They just don't want to hear such logic.
The west coast here, where eco feminists love to talk about like its Gaia, was once deforested, muddy, and had all the whales and even little cute sea otters wiped right out. The mountains looked like shaved dogs. The mud would pour down the deforested mountains in torrents come winter. Deltas would back up and ships and men would be stuck in the floods.
Whole towns burnt down all the time as the mills tried to keep up with the need for more wood; for heat, for building, for roads, for fuel, for everything. Whales were harpooned for days to get their oil because oil is energy x1000 compared to trees.
We have millions of KM's of pipelines in NA. Another 300km is not going to be the pipeline that sends us spiraling into apocalyptic nightmare, but getting rid of oil certainly will.
As much as I love my Indian family, they would be just as fucked as the rest of us if we had to go back to the land. The snack truck and frozen food section might seem like Traditional Ways now, but that shit dries up quick when you don't barely even know how to hunt.
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12-02-2016, 03:25 PM
The left has a vendetta against domestic oil and gas production, and pipelines in particular. Even if you accept global warming (I do), it is not production that is driving warming but consumption. I haven't yet heard a leftie explain why a barrel of oil from Saudi is more environmentally friendly than a barrel produced in the US or Canada. Furthermore, pipelines are by far the most cost efficient, environmentally friendly and safe method for transporting oil and gas.
summation: We are going to consume oil (nobody wants to turn off their heat or AC) so we might as well get that oil from an environmentally responsible source i.e. the US and Canada transported by pipeline.
This particular project, I'm a little surprised that the current route was permitted. That story is a lot more complex than the media is telling us, and it sounds like the standing rock tribe mostly chose not to participate in the process. Still it was in the industries best interest to avoid this public relations nightmare, so I'm surprised they weren't more proactive in trying to get the Natives to buy in. I'm used to the industry bending over backwards to get the Natives on-board from the get-go, then selling the project to the public as an opportunity for the Native community to gain economic development.
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12-02-2016, 07:19 PM
I work in oil/gas/coal and note the protesters always turn up in cars, wearing synthetic clothing and go home and consume coal fired electricity.
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12-03-2016, 10:44 AM
Isn't it high time to get rid of Native American Reservations altogether?
There is nothing to "protect" the natives from anymore. This isn't the 19th century.
We are one country. Federal laws should be uniformly applied across the country, and State laws should be applied uniformly throughout the State.
The fact that Reservations, and special treaties with these 'nations' still exist is ridiculous.
You don't get there till you get there
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12-03-2016, 11:17 AM
When it comes to the left, the only time they recognize respecting contracts and property rights is with native reservations. I'd like to keep that example at least.
It's like when anti-religious people say they want to take away tax exemptions for churches.
We should be fighting for more tax exemptions and for ALL getting reservation status, not taking it away from the few groups who have it.
I realize that is contrarian and probably extreme to most reading here. But if you are worried about the disparity between net tax payers and those that benefit from exemptions, I would say get rid of all forms of welfare first (the actual giving away of resources, not the absence of taking them) and then we can talk about the exemptions.
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12-03-2016, 11:33 AM
I believe the biggest beef is that the pipeline is in violation with of a treaty enacted with the local tribes' lands and is in fact therefore illegal. You may have differing opinions about the validity of the the written words of our government, but myself I'm a Constitutionalist, I believe in our founding documents and I believe that they should be sacred - like the 2nd Amendment (and I believe many here feel the same about the Constitution) but but believe this is all left wing obstructionism. The issue is that we entered a treaty with the sovereign nations and now we're defaulting at gunpoint. How can people take us seriously about anything if we renege whenever we want because we can exercise the violence to back it up?
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12-03-2016, 11:45 AM
All Native American treaties should have been thrown out once Native Americans were accepted as American Citizens.
You don't get to have it both ways. If you want your treaties and your Tribal laws, you don't get to have Citizenship.
You don't get there till you get there
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12-03-2016, 02:47 PM
I went to the local farmer's market today and the leftist hippie psychos were dancing around the room, locked arms, chanting "water is life" over and over.
Even when I tend to agree with them, they still find a way to piss me off.
People don't care about principles at all, only specifics and their feelings that blow in the wind. If we had a video of forum members locked in arms, dancing and chanting "attractive, feminine women are life!", they would compare us to a cult (and rightly so). But they would say, of their own demonstration, "this is different".
Bleh. Call me when you actually give a shit about private property and rush to defend white farmers or family businesses.
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12-03-2016, 05:40 PM
All I have to ask is,where were these guys when Bundy was having his issues?
This smells suspicious.
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12-03-2016, 05:56 PM
I agree. Something far bigger is going on.
The vets getting involved is a surprising move.
Putting more thought into this now. Could these protests, these globalist eco feminists, actually are being ready to be sacrificed?
Expect them to light themselves up any day now, in sync with the dozens of other protests happening 'in solidarity' with them. The media will be silent on what starts it off, but will be there when bodies start hitting the streets.
Jan 20th is still a long ways off, and the cold weather coming in will not be doing the movement any favors. How much of a situation would it take for Obama to be able to some sort of control of the government moving into January?