[scotian]

Laner, if the oil company and the US government allow the Natives to get away with this can you imagine what this will mean for pipe line expansion in Canada?

[Laner]

(12-03-2016 06:02 PM)scotian Wrote:  

Laner, if the oil company and the US government allow the Natives to get away with this can you imagine what this will mean for pipe line expansion in Canada?

Its already becoming an issue.

I think the Talhtan are going to be the first to try and secede, which will start a whole domino effect. When I was up there a month ago they had all the roads blocked off the main highway and are starting to demand money and infrastructure from private companies. We are holding firm in negotiating for jobs for youth - Red Seal only- but they want a new band office.

As I write this I can hear their drums outside beating away..... not even joking.

[kaotic]

(12-03-2016 05:40 PM)The Beast1 Wrote:  

All I have to ask is,where were these guys when Bundy was having his issues?

This smells suspicious.

I'm pretty sure there were vets in that group as well.

Big difference is Bundy and the boys brandished their guns and told the government to fuck off.

The natives and hippies at DAPL are just standing there with signs - not guns.

Imagine if the natives showed up with guns along with vets and other protestors.

You think LEO's and the gov want to risk another Ruby Ridge sort of incident ?

So much bad press would come out of it.


Laner might be right in guessing something is up, but at this point I don't think so.

Obama supports the pipeline completion - so not sure how he would try taking over the GOV.

[Kona]

(12-03-2016 05:56 PM)Laner Wrote:  

I agree. Something far bigger is going on.

The vets getting involved is a surprising move.

Putting more thought into this now. Could these protests, these globalist eco feminists, actually are being ready to be sacrificed?

Expect them to light themselves up any day now, in sync with the dozens of other protests happening 'in solidarity' with them. The media will be silent on what starts it off, but will be there when bodies start hitting the streets.

Jan 20th is still a long ways off, and the cold weather coming in will not be doing the movement any favors. How much of a situation would it take for Obama to be able to some sort of control of the government moving into January?

What if its the other way around?

Maybe Trump is gonna step in and sort shit out so everyone is happy? It will win him over some liberals before he gets started?

Nobody likes Trump more than veterans, and Tulsi Gabbard is involved, who they say is a big secretary of state contender. She a slippery one, and doing something ultra libtard would fuck that up for her. She has ambitions way bigger than whatever this pipeline thing is all about.

At some point Trump has to do some politicking, and this could be just that.

Aloha!

[Vicious]

I admit to sleeping on this particular project, haven't been involved in this part of the business for quite some time in order to put down less travel.

Anyhow, more parties involves tells me that more sponsors for the protesters has shown up. It is not uncommon for this to be rivaling oil companies for the primary producer affected by the pipeline, in Bakken the big boys are Statoil and Exxon. The rest are mostly smaller producers.

[kaotic]

BREAKING:

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US Army Corps of Engineers denies DAPL easement for Lake Oahe

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MORTON COUNTY, ND - The US Army Corps of Engineers has denied the final permit of the Dakota Access Pipeline.

Some outlets are reporting the denial is to allow for a full environmental impact study and a possible reroute.

In a statment, Standing Rock Tribal Chairman Dave Archambault II says, “Today, the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers announced that it will not be granting the easement to cross Lake Oahe for the proposed Dakota Access Pipeline. Instead, the Corps will be undertaking an environmental impact statement to look at possible alternative routes. We wholeheartedly support the decision of the administration and commend with the utmost gratitude the courage it took on the part of President Obama, the Army Corps, the Department of Justice and the Department of the Interior to take steps to correct the course of history and to do the right thing.

The Standing Rock Sioux Tribe and all of Indian Country will be forever grateful to the Obama Administration for this historic decision.

We want to thank everyone who played a role in advocating for this cause. We thank the tribal youth who initiated this movement. We thank the millions of people around the globe who expressed support for our cause. We thank the thousands of people who came to the camps to support us, and the tens of thousands who donated time, talent, and money to our efforts to stand against this pipeline in the name of protecting our water. We especially thank all of the other tribal nations and jurisdictions who stood in solidarity with us, and we stand ready to stand with you if and when your people are in need.

Throughout this effort I have stressed the importance of acting at all times in a peaceful and prayerful manner – and that is how we will respond to this decision. With this decision we look forward to being able to return home and spend the winter with our families and loved ones, many of whom have sacrificed as well. We look forward to celebrating in wopila, in thanks, in the coming days.

We hope that Kelcey Warren, Governor Dalrymple, and the incoming Trump administration respect this decision and understand the complex process that led us to this point. When it comes to infrastructure development in Indian Country and with respect to treaty lands, we must strive to work together to reach decisions that reflect the multifaceted considerations of tribes.

Treaties are paramount law and must be respected, and we welcome dialogue on how to continue to honor that moving forward. We are not opposed to energy independence, economic development, or national security concerns but we must ensure that these decisions are made with the considerations of our Indigenous peoples.

To our local law enforcement, I hope that we can work together to heal our relationship as we all work to protect the lives and safety of our people. I recognize the extreme stress that the situation caused and look forward to a future that reflects more mutual understanding and respect.

Again, we are deeply appreciative that the Obama Administration took the time and effort to genuinely consider the broad spectrum of tribal concerns. In a system that has continuously been stacked against us from every angle, it took tremendous courage to take a new approach to our nation-to-nation relationship, and we will be forever grateful."

Rep. Kevin Cramer, R-N.D., responded to the news, saying in a statement, "“I hoped even a lawless president wouldn’t continue to ignore the rule of law. However, it was becoming increasingly clear he was punting this issue down the road. Today’s unfortunate decision sends a very chilling signal to others who want to build infrastructure in this country. Roads, bridges, transmission lines, pipelines, wind farms and water lines will be very difficult, if not impossible, to build when criminal behavior is rewarded this way. In my conversation with Assistant Secretary of the Army Jo-Ellen Darcy today, she was unable to give any legal reasons for the decision and could not answer any questions about rerouting the pipeline. I’m encouraged we will restore law and order next month when we get a President who will not thumb his nose at the rule of law. I feel badly for the Corps of Engineers because of the diligent work it did on this project, only to have their Commander-in-Chief throw them under the bus. But he’s been doing that to the military for eight years, so why not one more time on his way out the door.”​

Sen. Heidi Heitkamp, D-N.D., says in a statment, "“It’s long past time that a decision is made on the easement going under Lake Oahe,” said Heitkamp. “This administration’s delay in taking action -- after I’ve pushed the White House, Army Corps, and other federal agencies for months to make a decision -- means that today’s move doesn’t actually bring finality to the project. The pipeline still remains in limbo. The incoming administration already stated its support for the project and the courts have already stated twice that it appeared the Corps followed the required process in considering the permit. For the next month and a half, nothing about this project will change. For the immediate future, the safety of residents, protesters, law enforcement, and workers remains my top priority as it should for everyone involved. As some of the protesters have become increasingly violent and unlawful, and as North Dakota’s winter has already arrived – with a blizzard raging last week through the area where protesters are located -- I’m hoping now that protesters will act responsibly to avoid endangering their health and safety, and move off of the Corps land north of the Cannonball River. Additionally, our federal delegation and governor have been working together in a bipartisan effort to push for more federal resources for law enforcement who have worked day and night through weekends and holidays to support the safety of our communities. The administration needs to provide those funds – whether the protesters remain or not.”

Gov. Jack Dalrymple, R-N.D., says in a statement, "“The decision today by the Obama Administration to further postpone any action on the easement for the Dakota Access Pipeline is a serious mistake. It does nothing to resolve the issue, and worst of all it prolongs the serious problems faced by North Dakota law enforcement as they try to maintain public safety. The administration’s lack of action also prolongs the dangerous situation of having protesters camping during the winter on U.S. Army Corps of Engineers’ property.

“The federal courts have already determined that the project developer has met or exceeded all U.S. Army Corps of Engineers’ requirements to build the pipeline.

“Senator Hoeven, Congressman Cramer and I have repeatedly asked for the easement to be granted and for the pipeline crossing to move forward so that the federal government can bring this to a conclusion. It’s unfortunate that this project has become a political issue rather than one based on engineering science.”"

Sen. John Hoeven, R-N.D., says in a statment, "“The Obama administration’s refusal to issue an easement for the Dakota Access Pipeline violates the rule of law and fails to resolve the issue. Instead, it passes the decision off to the next administration, which has already indicated it will approve the easement, and in the meantime perpetuates a difficult situation for North Dakotans.

“Protesters should move from their unlawful site now that the Obama administration has made its decision. By staying on the site, the protesters subject residents in the area to additional weeks of disruption and hardship.

“The reality is that the company has observed all proper procedures and met all environmental standards required by four states and the Corps itself. Further, refusing the easement has ramifications over the long term; if companies and individuals cannot rely on a system that follows the rule of law, nobody will risk making future investments in our country’s vital infrastructure. That will make our nation vulnerable and less secure.

“Our state, local and federal law enforcement officials have acted with professionalism and diligence to maintain peace and order under very difficult circumstances, but their resources are strained and they need help. Following today’s announcement by the Corps, it is incumbent on the administration to provide funding and law enforcement resources to help maintain public safety.”

TL;DR: Federal Officials to Explore Different Route for Dakota Pipeline

[Kona]

[url=https://twitter.com/TulsiGabbard/status/805579767445647360][/url]

Tulsi Gabbard's victory speech.

Notice she says she is going back to DC tomorrow. One of the biggest events in Hawaii's history,and America's, 75th anniversary is on Wednesday morning bright and early in Honolulu.

I don't think Tulsi has private jet status yet (if she does its real fishy) so its gonna be rough.

Either way, there is way more to this pipeline stuff then we are hearing. Tulsis schedule is proof enough for me.

Aloha!

[RIslander]

I bumped into an ex-girlfriend a little while back protesting the pipeline with a small group. She is a total hippie vegan type but is actually a cool chick with a tight ass and we broke up on good terms. Anyway, I spoke to her and her new boyfriend for a bit (not the usual limp wristed mangina type... the dude actually lifts!) and they gave a reasonable argument. They told me how they know that the pipeline is against the liberal elite, aka Warren Buffet, and that its more efficient than trains, but the risk of a spill into the lake would devastate the local community.

They delivered a solid argument without the typical SJW emotional talking points and I walked away feeling I had learned something. Due to that discussion and the fact RVF isn't showing any solid opposition to these protesters I feel they have reasonable beef.

[kaotic]

It's pretty reasonable to ask to lay pipe around the lake rather than under it.

From what I understand they only have a mile of pipeline they need to route for DAPL to be completed.

Afterall, it's still going to be completed.

[Laner]

I agree 100%, its up to the company to be responsible to find the best and safest way to route the pipeline. Unfortunately its not that way yet. Most of these companies now see far enough ahead to know that they need to be responsible, but sometimes the numbers just win out anyways.

Call it old school mentality, but it is still there, even though its dying out.

So they re route it around the lake then we are all good?

[Grodin]

I think this is nothing more than passing the buck. Obama looks like he delivered for the natives but it really just means the corps will reconsider, and possibly stick with the original route. I predict that no matter what comes of this, it will be viewed as a negative, and Trump will be blamed. The set up has already begun.

This is mostly a NIMBY battle. The question is whether it will be built in your backyard, or theirs. There is not a location to cross the river that will make everyone happy and the "water protectors" are going to be upset regardless.

[MrBoombastic]

The company pussed out and decided to re-route the pipeline, last I heard. What's the big fucking deal about this particular pipeline? So many other pipelines they could have protested at. Sounds like a Soros-funded protest.

[LionHound]

(12-05-2016 11:46 PM)MrBoombastic Wrote:  

The company pussed out and decided to re-route the pipeline, last I heard. What's the big fucking deal about this particular pipeline? So many other pipelines they could have protested at. Sounds like a Soros-funded protest.

The big deal is having a oil pipeline right next to their water source. I shouldn't have to spell it out for you. No matter where you stand on Natives rights or what have you, if you lived semi of the grid (lets face it the whole state of North Dakota is semi off the grid) would you want an oil pipeline built right next to your main water source? This goes deeper than soros or any politics imo and goes straight down to self-preservation (common sense?).

[SlickyBoy]

(12-06-2016 01:00 AM)LionHound Wrote:  

(12-05-2016 11:46 PM)MrBoombastic Wrote:  

The company pussed out and decided to re-route the pipeline, last I heard. What's the big fucking deal about this particular pipeline? So many other pipelines they could have protested at. Sounds like a Soros-funded protest.

The big deal is having a oil pipeline right next to their water source. I shouldn't have to spell it out for you. No matter where you stand on Natives rights or what have you, if you lived semi of the grid (lets face it the whole state of North Dakota is semi off the grid) would you want an oil pipeline built right next to your main water source? This goes deeper than soros or any politics imo and goes straight down to self-preservation (common sense?).

Soros appears to be funding it.

Quote:

There have been camps of protestors established by "[George] (((Soros)))-funded anti-energy, anti-environment, anti-jobs activists journeying from the coasts to do their virtue signaling and get arrested or at least charged if possible," according to McNicoll.

And most of the protesters are disaffected (white) Bernie supporters who live nowhere near the Indians and make up the majority of protesters. Have to wonder if all the Indians are against it - that was definitely not the case with the Alaska Pipeline.

[C-Note]

Some other opinions:

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Cory Bryson watched as 200 demonstrators marched through his home town of Bismarck, protesting the project being built by his union workers.

Businesses had locked their doors, and people watched warily from second-floor windows as the marchers passed a line of sheriff’s deputies in riot gear and headed toward Wells Fargo bank, a major source of project financing.

Most were peaceful and shouted “Water is life.” But one young man suddenly tried to push his way through the line of riot police, who threw him to the ground and cuffed him. The man screamed “Help!” and “I’m being kidnapped!” over and over and spat at the officers.

Bryson shook his head. To him, it was obvious the man had provoked arrest, for the benefit of the news cameras.

“This is what the community is tired of,” Bryson said. “We are one pin-drop away from this escalating to a really violent situation.”

Bryson, 32, is business manager for Local 563 of the Laborers International Union, a second-generation union member and a North Dakotan.

“My father has been a pipeline laborer for 32 years,” said Bryson, a big guy who wears his blond hair in a military-style buzz cut. “It all comes down to energy security.” Moving the Bakken field shale oil to market by pipeline is safer and more efficient than moving it by rail, he said. It has created at least 3,000 good-paying jobs in the past couple of years and will provide maintenance work well into the future.

From the beginning, Bryson has gone to observe the protests in this capital city of 67,000. “We don’t see eye to eye,” he said of the marchers, “but at the same time, they have every right to do it.”

Recently, the protest has been “hijacked by extremist environmentalists” from out of state who harass workers, one of whom was beaten up at a gas station because he was wearing a safety vest with the company logo, Bryson said. People have put dirt into gas tanks of heavy machinery, smashed windshields and committed other acts of vandalism, reports confirmed by local police.

“Guys have gotten a lot smarter — traveling in groups, not wearing company branding or labels,” Bryson said. He himself received an anonymous email that included a photo of himself, his wife and his three small children taken from his Facebook page and his home address. It said: “We hope you enjoy burning in your home with your children.” He turned it over to police.

And it’s the out-of-towners, he said, who have turned the Dakota Access standoff into “a racial issue.”

“The only people creating a race issue or anything along those lines is out-of-state people that are just adding fuel to the fire, most of them being white themselves,” he said.

Bryson said Native American culture has always been “a big part of the community” in North Dakota. He said that he went to school with Native Americans who were “like brothers” to him: “We slept at each other’s houses, ate dinner together all the time as children.”

He is sympathetic to concerns about burial grounds and water purity but said that he thinks the project still can be completed safely and sensitively.

“To say that we’re doing this because we don’t care about them is totally not what it’s about at all,” he said.

Bryson said about 15 of his union members working on the pipeline were Standing Rock Sioux from the reservation. But nearly half of them have asked to be taken off pipeline work because “they were getting a lot of heat” from family members and others in their community.

He kept his eyes on protesters and police outside the federal office building. One carried a gun for firing tear-gas canisters. A heavily armored SWAT vehicle sat a half-block away.

“North Dakota never expected anything like this,” Bryson said. “It’s not built to handle anything like this.”

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Night after night, sheriff’s deputy Jon Moll pulls on his helmet, face shield and body armor to face off against hundreds of angry protesters.

He hasn’t had a day off in more than a month. He said that he has been hit with rocks fired from slingshots and chunks of firewood, and he has seen protesters pelting officers with bags of urine and feces.

“They’re constantly spewing ‘We’re peaceful, we’re peaceful, we’re peaceful’ as they’re throwing stuff at you,” said Moll, 38. “If you’re going to be violent, just say it. Own it. But don’t spit your propaganda at me and then try to blame me because I’m doing my job protecting my community.”

Moll, a Lutheran minister’s son who grew up on a strawberry farm in Minnesota, is one of 34 sheriff’s deputies in Morton County. The square-shouldered, 6-foot-3 deputy works the overnight shift, which until August usually meant handling bar fights and traffic accidents. Now, the department is consumed with confronting pipeline protests, helped by police reinforcements from as far away as Louisiana.

A particularly rough encounter on Nov. 20 epitomizes the escalating tension between protesters and law enforcement. That night, police used fire hoses to douse protesters in subfreezing temperatures, sending several to the hospital. A 21-year-old woman suffered severe damage to her left arm. Protesters, and her family, said that she was hit with a concussion grenade, a weapon that creates a loud sound designed to disorient people. Police said that they do not use those devices and that the woman was probably injured by a propane tank the protesters were trying to use as an improvised explosive device. Each side accuses the other of lying about the incident.

Moll, who said that he was hit on the helmet by a rock that night, defended the measures as justified. “I think utilizing water is essentially a soft method to try to keep people away,” he said. “Everything that I saw happen was absolutely correct.”

Moll spent his teenage years in Philadelphia, where his father entered the Lutheran seminary, and in Yonkers, N.Y., where his father preached.

“Lutherans are pretty good at putting their money where their words are and actually doing missionary-type work,” he said. “We were raised to recognize that we exist to help other people.”

He graduated from Norwich University, a military school in Vermont, thinking that he would enlist in the military. But instead he gravitated back to the Midwest and enrolled in a North Dakota police academy.

“There’s an interaction with people on a very real, very visceral level that you really can’t get in another line of work,” he said. “The feeling of being a law enforcement officer, of serving the community, of putting yourself on the line for the betterment of others, is a different level of service that fits me well.”

It bugs him that some violent agitators have cast themselves in the model of one of the great religious leaders, the Rev. Martin Luther King Jr.

“He didn’t throw rocks and bottles at people. He didn’t spit in people’s faces. He knew exactly what he was doing with civil disobedience, and he understood and expected that he would be placed under arrest,” Moll said. “That’s part of it. Today, it’s ‘You can’t arrest me, that’s illegal, it’s against my rights.’ Well, no, you’re missing the playbook here, kid. Civil disobedience means you’re going to get arrested, so please don’t complain about it.”

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Adrian Brown woke at 4:30 a.m. and pulled on his blaze-orange hoodie. Deer season was winding down, and he was itching to get his buck. But after five hours of tromping through the blustery prairie, he was ready for a mushroom and Swiss burger and a pile of fries.

To get to the only restaurant out here, in St. Anthony, he and a buddy drove 15 miles down a gravel road, crossing over a 30-foot wide gash in the vast plains running straight as a ruler for as far as the eye could see. Buried 10 feet below the freshly turned dirt was the oil pipeline that has been tearing apart the communities where Brown’s family has lived for generations.

“The great thing about living in the United States is that we’re all able to have a voice. What I disagree with is the way they’re going about it,” Brown said of the thousands of people who have gathered in Cannon Ball.

Brown, a burly, bearded 30-year-old in a black ball cap, said the increasing protests are costing local people money. He is a foreman for a local excavating company and said the day before, protesters tried to burn a truck on railroad tracks crossing the road to the gravel pit where he needed to pick up a load of rock.

“I had to move jobs, which isn’t the end of the world because we have other things to do, but it’s an inconvenience,” he said. “I have friends who are owner-operator truck drivers, and this time of year is our ‘go time.’ This is how these people support their families. Owner-operators who couldn’t get in and out of the pit went home. They didn’t make any money yesterday.”

Sitting in a restaurant with walls decorated with huge racks of antlers and other trophy heads, Brown said shipping shale oil by rail has overloaded lines and made it harder for farmers to get their wheat and other crops to market.

And: “Am I for alternative energy? Do it. Are we ever going to live without fossil fuel? Absolutely not,” Brown said. “This pipe will go in the ground. It’s the world we live in. Oil makes the world go ’round.”

Brown said relations between Native Americans and non-indigenous people have always been good in southern North Dakota: “I’ve fished down on the reservation for many years. I spend money at the gas station by the casino. I go to the casino. It’s never been an issue.”

He, too, blamed the escalating conflict on “out-of-staters” who have turned the local Standing Rock Sioux’s legitimate concerns into an increasingly tense and volatile standoff. Police say about 93 percent of those arrested have been from outside North Dakota.

Brown also suspects — as many here do — that the protesters are being funded by out-of-state sources, possibly by wealthy people who are invested in the railroad and are trying to scuttle a pipeline that will compete with rail.

“I think there’s a lot of people who are beginning to be at their wits' end with it,” Brown said. “It’s affecting our daily lives. Schools are being locked down. The Capitol is being locked down.”

Brown, a jovial man who is quick to laugh, said half-jokingly that a fierce North Dakota winter might end the standoff naturally: “I hope it gets really, really, really cold and all the out-of-staters go home.”

[Sherman]

This whole affair is a leftist SJW event at its worse. The below article shows their real intentions. There is nothing wrong with the pipeline and I hope Trump crushes this fast.

"Veterans at Standing Rock shock tribe members, beg forgiveness for war crimes against tribal nations"

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2016/12/5/...al-nations


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[Laner]

Canada's National Chief came out yesterday confirming what I have been saying on here for years; That to speak in favour of pipelines and energy is to alienate themselves from not only their own people, but also tribes that support the energy industry also are being shunned and called out as traitors and such by the other, usually 'have not' tribes.

[scotian]

Meanwhile oil and gas is the single largest employer of Natives in Canada but the lefties and Native special interest groups would rather keep them poor on the res.

[Uzisuicide]

Just wait until the Keystone XL pipeline is approved by Trump. We'll see even more of the protests. Obama vetoed legislation approving the Keystone XL. Here's the projected path.

http://www.keystone-xl.com/keystone-xl-p...route-map/

[scotian]

I worked at the massive tank farm in Hardisty, Alberta it's quite the site to see. Obviously I'm pro-oil but I do think tgat the oil company fucked this one up and should pick their battles more wisely. The protesters won the PR battle on this one and it will embolden them even more along with every other rag tag environmentalist shit head out there to stage more protests.

[Kona]

(12-06-2016 01:01 PM)scotian Wrote:  

Meanwhile oil and gas is the single largest employer of Natives in Canada but the lefties and Native special interest groups would rather keep them poor on the res.

Isn't there a massive amount of US oil reserves that are under reservations?

Aloha!

[Grodin]

(12-06-2016 12:35 PM)Laner Wrote:  

Canada's National Chief came out yesterday confirming what I have been saying on here for years; That to speak in favour of pipelines and energy is to alienate themselves from not only their own people, but also tribes that support the energy industry also are being shunned and called out as traitors and such by the other, usually 'have not' tribes.

I married into a native family and I've never seen politics so divisive as they are within the native communities. There are pitched battles between village councils, tribal chiefs, native corporation executives, etc. there is no solidarity within this demographic like the press would like us to believe. Typically only one side of the native community will be quoted on any given issue. It's that way for all demographics but especially so for nates.

The reservation system adds another layer of cluster-fuck to the whole situation because it's completely backwards. The natives consider themselves sovereign governments but they are essentially wards of the state and aren't permitted private ownership of lands on the reservation. Pretty much guaranteeing that they will live in squalor with no chance for self determination (as long as they live on the res).

[Cattle Rustler]

I've read that ETP (the pipeline company) said fuck it, they'll build it right through it, pay the fines, and wait for the Donald to take position and approve it. It's cost prohibitive but I guess it's also grabbing your balls and pushing through.

[Dr. Howard]

(12-06-2016 10:28 AM)Sherman Wrote:  

This whole affair is a leftist SJW event at its worse. The below article shows their real intentions. There is nothing wrong with the pipeline and I hope Trump crushes this fast.

"Veterans at Standing Rock shock tribe members, beg forgiveness for war crimes against tribal nations"

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2016/12/5/...al-nations

Chief "fuck you whitey, now turn over all your smokes and your free to leave"

Sidenote 1: In Canada at least there is a large division between the non-rez indians that own businesses and on-rez activists. They don't see eye to eye and the non-rez indians are reluctant to hire on-rez indians as they are of the opinion that they don't want to work.

Sidenote 2: Fun fact, has anyone ever eaten at a Famous Dave's BBQ restaurant? Founder Dave Anderson is a straight up Ojibwe. I always get a good chuckle when I think that an entrepreneurial indian is behind the chain serving the whitest food in america.

Sidenote 3: One ipperwash at one of these pipeline protests would result in a full on uprising.

Sidenote 4: I should probably be posting in the drunk lounge.

[Simeon_Strangelight]

Somehow I doubt that it's cost prohibitive to build around it.

Also with all those protests I really wonder about alternative solutions like giving each potentially affected family 100k and be done with it. Those solutions are often cheaper, but hardly anyone looks into it. Pipelines can be done in such a way that spillage does not affect large bodies of water much, but the Natives are correct to assume that the corporations will not care about them if something happens.

So they are right to protest, though the SJWs are suckers for doing it. Personally I don't know enough to assess the issue correctly - you cannot trust the corporations and you cannot trust the green fanatics. You would have to take a truly independent organization to get some truth there.