[Hell_Is_Like_Newark]

Pipeline capacity has to be expanded and not just for oil. If you look at a satellite night pic, you will see areas over the Bakken and Permian shale basin areas lit up at night. The light is from natural gas being flared off. The gas has no value because the pipeline capacity isn't available to get it to market. 40% of all the natural gas extracted in the USA is wasted by flaring it away.

We are posed to be a major energy exporter within the next five years. The technology to turn gas into liquid fuels (GTL) improved dramatically. Shell and Sasol both have plans to build plants in Louisiana, but shelved them when the price of oil dropped (you need $60+ light crude to make it worth it). Exxon developed a process with Gigamethanol corp to turn natural gas into methanol (can be shipped with crude oil) then convert it to gasoline.


Edit: Link below to the satellite photos of the flaring:

http://geology.com/articles/oil-fields-from-space/

[DJ-Matt]

(12-07-2016 04:31 PM)Hell_Is_Like_Newark Wrote:  

Pipeline capacity has to be expanded and not just for oil. If you look at a satellite night pic, you will see areas over the Bakken and Permian shale basin areas lit up at night. The light is from natural gas being flared off. The gas has no value because the pipeline capacity isn't available to get it to market. 40% of all the natural gas extracted in the USA is wasted by flaring it away.

Wow that is really crappy to waste it, I'm guessing it's not feasible financially to turn it into CNG and ship it out? What happens if the natty gas isn't flared, or they can't "cap" it off somehow?

[Simeon_Strangelight]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-...alive.html

Hehe - will Comanche and Apache Indians beg forgiveness from other tribes they butchered before the Europeans ever came to America? I guess not - only the Whites are brainwashed enough to feel guilty about stuff that a few guys centuries before ordered to do. Heck - those vets do not even know whether their ancestors were coal miners in Britain, white slaves in the south or street urchins in New York. The familes that survived and been doing the slaughtering of the Indians are all sittting with great fortunes and having their kids go to Harvard.

[Hell_Is_Like_Newark]

(12-07-2016 04:45 PM)DJ-Matt Wrote:  

Wow that is really crappy to waste it, I'm guessing it's not feasible financially to turn it into CNG and ship it out? What happens if the natty gas isn't flared, or they can't "cap" it off somehow?

We have I think around 5 LNG plants being built (have to look up the exact number). They are useless if you can't process the gas (natural gas contains a lot more than methane) and then transport the gas to the LNG plants.

Once the pipelines and processing facilities are built, the gas will make it to market. I expect it will be shipped out as LNG and later (assuming oil prices rise) as light oils, methanol, and naphtha. The gas comes up with the oil, so you get gas whether or not you actually want gas.

[Laner]

(12-07-2016 05:06 PM)Hell_Is_Like_Newark Wrote:  

(12-07-2016 04:45 PM)DJ-Matt Wrote:  

Wow that is really crappy to waste it, I'm guessing it's not feasible financially to turn it into CNG and ship it out? What happens if the natty gas isn't flared, or they can't "cap" it off somehow?

We have I think around 5 LNG plants being built (have to look up the exact number). They are useless if you can't process the gas (natural gas contains a lot more than methane) and then transport the gas to the LNG plants.

Once the pipelines and processing facilities are built, the gas will make it to market. I expect it will be shipped out as LNG and later (assuming oil prices rise) as light oils, methanol, and naphtha. The gas comes up with the oil, so you get gas whether or not you actually want gas.

We have been trying to build LNG on the BC coat here for a long time. All the feasibility is done, they just need the pipelines. But as we all know pipelines are in the lowest level of Hell, certainly under Satan himself.

[Grodin]

Same here. That's why I was so ticked off at the politicization of keystone. Alaska needs Canada's cooperation to get our gas to market, at least it would make it a lot more economical.

There are so many backwards things caused by over-regulation and resistance to pipelines. The government requires that oil companies produce within a certain time frame to keep their lease. Partly because of the resistance to new pipelines, gas rich fields are forced to pipe their gas to a different part of the field where it's re-injected or flared, in order to meet their obligation to "produce". All of our north slope gas is re-injected or flared, none makes it to market. Meanwhile in other parts of the state, gas shortages have led to heating bills that are almost as much as a mortgage payment. To be fair, global economics play a role and low prices are the primary driver, but when the prices go up other factors like permitting become the driver.

[Dr. Howard]

(12-07-2016 05:35 PM)Grodin Wrote:  

Same here. That's why I was so ticked off at the politicization of keystone. Alaska needs Canada's cooperation to get our gas to market, at least it would make it a lot more economical.

There are so many backwards things caused by over-regulation and resistance to pipelines. The government requires that oil companies produce within a certain time frame to keep their lease. Partly because of the resistance to new pipelines, gas rich fields are forced to pipe their gas to a different part of the field where it's re-injected or flared, in order to meet their obligation to "produce". All of our north slope gas is re-injected or flared, none makes it to market. Meanwhile in other parts of the state, gas shortages have led to heating bills that are almost as much as a mortgage payment. To be fair, global economics play a role and low prices are the primary driver, but when the prices go up other factors like permitting become the driver.

I agree, I don't understand people's pipeline paranoia. They think that, if there is no pipeline there must be no fuel shipments.

if there is no pipeline it means the material is just shipped via rail, in quebec style fireballs and derailments that poison surface water sources.

[Cattle Rustler]

Not to mention, what pollutes and causes more deforestation.....a pipeline, a train, or a truck?

You don't have to worry about a pipeline crashing into you.

[HighSpeed_LowDrag]

(12-07-2016 09:28 PM)Cattle Rustler Wrote:  

Not to mention, what pollutes and causes more deforestation.....a pipeline, a train, or a truck?

You don't have to worry about a pipeline crashing into you.

Not to mention, you don't have to worry about a pipeline vapourizing the downtown core of your city.

[C-Note]

I heard that a blizzard is blowing through the pipeline protest camp and the gvmnt "invaded" the camp, without resistance for some reason, to offer shelter to the protestors so they wouldn't die. I wonder if the buildings they're now sheltered in are heated by natural gas? You know, the kind that is easier and cheaper to deliver by a pipeline?

[redbeard]

[aeroektar]

Listen to these fucking idiots.

[needhelp]

The irony in all this is according to Hector Morenco Obama is anti pipeline in America but is pro pipeline elsewhere: https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comm..._discover/

Maybe this is just me but is oil really the new blood diamonds?

[kaotic]

(12-13-2016 05:08 PM)needhelp Wrote:  

Maybe this is just me but is oil really the new blood diamonds?

Oil has been the blood of our economy for decades and that isn't going to change overnight.

Oil and Blood diamonds aren't a great comparison because oil is used in everything and isn't worth anything near what a diamond would be appraised for and is scarcer compared to oil.

[Laner]

(12-13-2016 05:20 PM)kaotic Wrote:  

(12-13-2016 05:08 PM)needhelp Wrote:  

Maybe this is just me but is oil really the new blood diamonds?

Oil has been the blood of our economy for decades and that isn't going to change overnight.

Oil and Blood diamonds aren't a great comparison because oil is used in everything and isn't worth anything near what a diamond would be appraised for and is scarcer compared to oil.

Is it irony that oil production probably uses more diamonds than any other industry?

[kaotic]

(12-13-2016 05:25 PM)Laner Wrote:  

(12-13-2016 05:20 PM)kaotic Wrote:  

(12-13-2016 05:08 PM)needhelp Wrote:  

Maybe this is just me but is oil really the new blood diamonds?

Oil has been the blood of our economy for decades and that isn't going to change overnight.

Oil and Blood diamonds aren't a great comparison because oil is used in everything and isn't worth anything near what a diamond would be appraised for and is scarcer compared to oil.

Is it irony that oil production probably uses more diamonds than any other industry?

heh ! Indeed it does !

[komatiite]

(12-13-2016 05:25 PM)Laner Wrote:  

(12-13-2016 05:20 PM)kaotic Wrote:  

(12-13-2016 05:08 PM)needhelp Wrote:  

Maybe this is just me but is oil really the new blood diamonds?

Oil has been the blood of our economy for decades and that isn't going to change overnight.

Oil and Blood diamonds aren't a great comparison because oil is used in everything and isn't worth anything near what a diamond would be appraised for and is scarcer compared to oil.

Is it irony that oil production probably uses more diamonds than any other industry?

Aren't polycrystalline diamond compact bits made with industrial diamonds?

[scotian]

(12-13-2016 08:08 PM)komatiite Wrote:  

(12-13-2016 05:25 PM)Laner Wrote:  

(12-13-2016 05:20 PM)kaotic Wrote:  

(12-13-2016 05:08 PM)needhelp Wrote:  

Maybe this is just me but is oil really the new blood diamonds?

Oil has been the blood of our economy for decades and that isn't going to change overnight.

Oil and Blood diamonds aren't a great comparison because oil is used in everything and isn't worth anything near what a diamond would be appraised for and is scarcer compared to oil.

Is it irony that oil production probably uses more diamonds than any other industry?

Aren't polycrystalline diamond compact bits made with industrial diamonds?

What are you, a geologist or something???

[weambulance]

(12-06-2016 10:28 AM)Sherman Wrote:  

This whole affair is a leftist SJW event at its worse. The below article shows their real intentions. There is nothing wrong with the pipeline and I hope Trump crushes this fast.

"Veterans at Standing Rock shock tribe members, beg forgiveness for war crimes against tribal nations"

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2016/12/5/...al-nations

"Veterans" = John Kerry types, I take it. What a bunch of fucking useless faggots.

[Kona]

(12-12-2016 10:29 PM)aeroektar Wrote:  

Listen to these fucking idiots.

Two points about this video:

1) The people rush in and chain themselves to stuff, but their buddies just leave them behind. They run away. The camera guy runs away. The chained up people just have to fend for themselves I guess.

2) Tuning a banjo is like tuning a river... What the hell does that mean? And why the hell would ancient Buddhists say that? I'm not an expect on Buddhism, but I really don't think they play banjos at all, so why have philosophic phrases aboutnthem?

Aloha!

[komatiite]

(12-13-2016 09:13 PM)scotian Wrote:  

(12-13-2016 08:08 PM)komatiite Wrote:  

(12-13-2016 05:25 PM)Laner Wrote:  

(12-13-2016 05:20 PM)kaotic Wrote:  

(12-13-2016 05:08 PM)needhelp Wrote:  

Maybe this is just me but is oil really the new blood diamonds?

Oil has been the blood of our economy for decades and that isn't going to change overnight.

Oil and Blood diamonds aren't a great comparison because oil is used in everything and isn't worth anything near what a diamond would be appraised for and is scarcer compared to oil.

Is it irony that oil production probably uses more diamonds than any other industry?

Aren't polycrystalline diamond compact bits made with industrial diamonds?

What are you, a geologist or something???

Haha I actually spent the last 20 minutes googling drill bits to see if I could find one with real diamonds but I don't think they exist. Wasn't trying to be a smart ass I was genuinely curious. I was on a well site once and a safety guy lost his mind at The tool push one day and picked up a used up drill bit that was sitting by a shack and tossed it through the guys windshield and promptly fucked off, we were examining the bit afterwards and noticed all the diamonds had been eroded off during drilling. Point of the story was that the company man came up and was trying to see if there were any diamonds to scavenge to see if he could pay for a new window. Haha they're all fake though so wouldn't have mattered!

[Laner]

(12-13-2016 11:28 PM)komatiite Wrote:  

(12-13-2016 09:13 PM)scotian Wrote:  

(12-13-2016 08:08 PM)komatiite Wrote:  

(12-13-2016 05:25 PM)Laner Wrote:  

(12-13-2016 05:20 PM)kaotic Wrote:  

Oil has been the blood of our economy for decades and that isn't going to change overnight.

Oil and Blood diamonds aren't a great comparison because oil is used in everything and isn't worth anything near what a diamond would be appraised for and is scarcer compared to oil.

Is it irony that oil production probably uses more diamonds than any other industry?

Aren't polycrystalline diamond compact bits made with industrial diamonds?

What are you, a geologist or something???

Haha I actually spent the last 20 minutes googling drill bits to see if I could find one with real diamonds but I don't think they exist. Wasn't trying to be a smart ass I was genuinely curious. I was on a well site once and a safety guy lost his mind at The tool push one day and picked up a used up drill bit that was sitting by a shack and tossed it through the guys windshield and promptly fucked off, we were examining the bit afterwards and noticed all the diamonds had been eroded off during drilling. Point of the story was that the company man came up and was trying to see if there were any diamonds to scavenge to see if he could pay for a new window. Haha they're all fake though so wouldn't have mattered!

Ha, yeah when I was a kid I asked my dad what Diamant Boart was and he said it was the Swedish company that sold them drilling bits. I heard 'Diamond' so I inspected the shit out of the hundreds of drilling bits he had in the shop. I thought I was rich, almost as rich as I was when I found out that he had access to infinite amounts of 'steelies' the all steel marbles that kids would fight over every day in the playground.

Turns out both are worthless. But a diamond is still a diamond, some are just worth more than others and some are made in a factory. Fuck anything under 5 karats though, there are underground vaults with endless quality diamonds under 5 karats that are kept there to keep prices high.

[needhelp]

Great point, my phrasing was vague so here we go again...

If the link I posted is true then it's pretty ridiculous our society has a pearl clutching mentality of "Save the environment think of the children!" and "Those poor oppressed Indians!". Oil is the blood of our economy for decades (like you said) and it's indefensible that we can't build a pipeline here for jobs but allegedly are cool with getting one built in foreign lands.

Regardless if my link is true oil and blood diamonds do have a commonality of being mired in conflict. Both definitely have powers that want to control their supply to control prices. I'm also well aware that the asshats in the media aren't telling the whole truth about the Dakota protests. My theory is certain higher powers (Warren Buffett, Saudi Arabia?) don't want the Dakota pipeline being built and are using the media as a proxy to get their agenda pushed.

(12-13-2016 05:20 PM)kaotic Wrote:  

Oil has been the blood of our economy for decades and that isn't going to change overnight.

Oil and Blood diamonds aren't a great comparison because oil is used in everything and isn't worth anything near what a diamond would be appraised for and is scarcer compared to oil.

[Laner]

(12-14-2016 05:58 AM)needhelp Wrote:  

Great point, my phrasing was vague so here we go again...

If the link I posted is true then it's pretty ridiculous our society has a pearl clutching mentality of "Save the environment think of the children!" and "Those poor oppressed Indians!". Oil is the blood of our economy for decades (like you said) and it's indefensible that we can't build a pipeline here for jobs but allegedly are cool with getting one built in foreign lands.

Regardless if my link is true oil and blood diamonds do have a commonality of being mired in conflict. Both definitely have powers that want to control their supply to control prices. I'm also well aware that the asshats in the media aren't telling the whole truth about the Dakota protests. My theory is certain higher powers (Warren Buffett, Saudi Arabia?) don't want the Dakota pipeline being built and are using the media as a proxy to get their agenda pushed.

(12-13-2016 05:20 PM)kaotic Wrote:  

Oil has been the blood of our economy for decades and that isn't going to change overnight.

Oil and Blood diamonds aren't a great comparison because oil is used in everything and isn't worth anything near what a diamond would be appraised for and is scarcer compared to oil.

You know it.

Also not addressed are the tens, if not hundreds of millions of dollars that First Nations businesses make in the energy sector every year.

This man Dave Tucaro, a relative of the same tribe as my grandmother, is the worlds richest Indian. His entourage alone is worth more than the Standing Rock. Why? All the bullshit that holds down many people who rely on handouts and free housing is only one fed up man away from making the move. When Tucaro started working in the business people in his tribe didn't look at him like an 'uncle Tom' or whatever. They just thought he was stupid. Driving dozer, haha.

But when the business keeps getting parlayed into more, then more, suddenly he inspires more people than can hate. And a revolution of sorts takes place. Jealousy runs deep in the Indian psyche, and I understand. Remember only three or four generations ago they had to share everything just to survive. His no bullshit, easy going, humorous Cree attitude is contagious. He rolls in with custom beaded Indian jacket, Gucci loafers and behind him are teenagers wearing steel toed work boots and Starter jackets. Its amazing.

My dad is one of these stories. So is his brother, my aunt, my cousin and probably five or six of my dads relatives. Some of you patch workers might recall the "one Squaw too many" fiasco that fucked over a man for millions of dollars after the Huffington Post made the shit go viral. Well, this man is a relative of mine and a fucking Indian himself. The sticker was a joke, a sign to other Indian truckers (who he hires the shit out of) that he was fucked over in yet another relationship with a First Nations woman.

Send these virtuous protesters to live in Fort Chip or Hobema for a fucking weekend and see how they react afterwords.

[Cattle Rustler]

Wasn't there an oil spill in a ND pipeline in the past week or something?

Still, it beats a fucking train exploding or a tanker hitting someone.