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11-17-2016, 02:51 PM
"This is good how?
Mike Pence selling Trump short, indirectly saying Trump picked the wrong guys? Or is it Christie who picked these people?
Kushner is behind this. Kushner has been behind ousting Christie getting his dad imprisoned. I don't like Kushner one bit."
This sounds like paranoia to me. Nobody but you is saying that this means "Trump picked the wrong guys." Everyone seems very impressed with it.
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11-17-2016, 03:02 PM
No, I follow the logic, but I don't think it's sound.
The transition team is undergoing a new phase now that Trump is in line to win the presidency. That new phase means new people.
To say that firing lobbyists from the team makes Trump "look bad" is goofy. Trump is receiving near universal praise for this. Go to any site and look at the comments and you'll see they're entirely positive.
What you're saying is at odds with what is actually happening.
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11-17-2016, 03:21 PM
"Why would Trump have chosen lobbyists in the first place?"
Lots of potential reasons. You can think of a dozen, easily, I'm sure.
"Who made Mike Pence the judge of why they are lobbyists?"
Trump, presumably.
"Are they actually lobbyists?"
That's what the media is reporting. The media are liars, so if you want to make a case that when Mike Pence fired "lobbyists" from his transition team, he was actually doing something else, I'll be happy to hear it. But you're not making that case.
"They spun it calling it 'getting rid of lobbyists' because they knew Trump supporters would likely buy that line. It is nothing of the sort, but simple revenge by Kushner."
You are pretending to insider information that you don't have. There are any number of reasons why Christie's team could've been cut post-election. Bridgegate is one. Another is that Trump never seems to have really liked the guy; I remember a rally earlier this year after Christie's endorsement where Trump basically told him to get the hell off the stage and fly home.
You're free to speculate, but please mark your speculation as such, and don't pretend to know things that you don't actually know.
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11-17-2016, 03:28 PM
Milo as Press Secretary
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11-17-2016, 03:34 PM
Christie having put Kushner's father in prison is not a conflict of interest?
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11-17-2016, 03:42 PM
I agree, Kushner has to be watched because he's a little sneaky. His lack of public positions while having such influence make me weary. Can skate by if things go wrong and take credit if they go well. Hmm.
BUT, Christie has to go because of Bridgegate. That is what casts shadow on the transition team. Every hire he is in involved with opens the administration up to drama and mire it in controversy.
"see, the corruption and lack of judgement already begins" "Such hypocrisy to claim to be a good judge of character and allow someone like Chris Christie who abuses his power to make such impactful decisions"
Christie created the landmine and he has to fall on it. Such is life.
Doesn't mean Kushner gets a free pass at all. Conflict, sure, but its also just good business.
Frankly, Kushner shouldnt be there at all. He has no political experience and I think was behind manafort. We all know how that went.
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11-17-2016, 03:45 PM
Nomad, it's simple, no conspiracy needed- Christie is poison to have around after the bridgegate conviction, he's an easy target for the media and makes Trump look bad, and was also the reason he wasn't chosen as VP, would have been terrible idea on multiple levels.
I do not know why you or others think Kushner is the shadow leader and decision maker of the Trump administration or can "trick" Trump. You are saying Trump is not in control or does not know whats going on, it just doesn't add up in reality.
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11-17-2016, 03:46 PM
"Christie having put Kushner's father in prison is not a conflict of interest?"
Don't jump from your original claim and put the burden of proof on me. You have not the slightest idea what's going on with Trump's internal deliberations. You don't know why Christie was cut. The only claims that Kushner was involved at all are unsourced and anonymous, and if we've learned one thing through the campaign, it's "Don't trust anonymous claims about what's going on with Donald Trump."
It has been less than two weeks since the election, and already you're attempting to start a narrative where dark and shadowy forces are manipulating Donald Trump, based on nothing more than your own fevered imaginings and an unsourced Bloomberg news story. Knock it off.
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11-17-2016, 04:02 PM
I don't think MikeCF has "sources" inside the Trump transition team. I think his source is Chuck Johnson, who may or may not have sources himself.
Trump met with Ted Cruz in the last few days, and will meet with Mitt Romney on Saturday.
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11-17-2016, 04:06 PM
Yeah I think they're holding this down pretty tightly, regardless of what's being put out by the media.
When I met Cerno, he seemed like a very resourceful guy, he was surrounded by guys who had insider of knowledge the night of the election.
Especially his guys having insiders in the Hillary campaign, who said congrats (an hour before it was even announced).
We can speculate for now, but I trust Trump, his team, and Cerno.
I just hope they put together a team with experience, that can be trusted, that can avoid as much lobbyist/DC insider influence as possible.
As far as Christie, I think they did the right think not putting him on the short list.
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11-17-2016, 04:34 PM
How do you guys know Trump didn't purposefully set up all these "lobbyists" just so he could have Pence shoot them down?
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11-17-2016, 05:12 PM
"How do you guys know Trump didn't purposefully set up all these "lobbyists" just so he could have Pence shoot them down?"
It's as good a theory as any. My personal theory is that he started with Christie and these other people, found out that he didn't like what he was getting, and cut him loose as soon as it was an opportune time to do so.
But as I've said above, I don't know anything more than anyone else does.
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11-17-2016, 05:51 PM
Now I'm seeing all these retards on facebook trying to get people to contact their US Senators, to get their Senators to argue against the appointment of Bannon.
...Except Bannon is being appointed to a position that requires exactly zero advice and consent from the Senate.
I almost slipped up and corrected them out of a vestigial spergy impulse. But hey, let them waste resources and time. I wouldn't want to interrupt them.
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11-17-2016, 07:32 PM
To quote the dude (and I'm not really a fan), "that's just, like, your opinion man", and so is mine. Occams Razor applies, Trump was not playing 4D chess with Manafort and things turned around the second he was gone.
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11-17-2016, 10:36 PM
What is this rumor with Romney?