[Libertas]

Anyone know anything about this Tillerson guy? Appointing Exxon's CEO as SoS isn't good for Trump's brand either. And there's a revolt against Puzder underway.

These last few appointments haven't been good. I smell a rat.

[Samseau]

Tillerson seems unorthodox and not a government crony. Looks like a lot of potential.

[monster]

(12-09-2016 07:17 PM)Libertas Wrote:  

Anyone know anything about this Tillerson guy? Appointing Exxon's CEO as SoS isn't good for Trump's brand either. And there's a revolt against Puzder underway.

These last few appointments haven't been good. I smell a rat.

Yeah - I've been OK with just about all of his cabinet picks, and even the one's I didn't really like I could at least find some redeeming qualities - even the Goldman nominees, haha....

But Exxon CEO as Secretary of State? This is crazy.

I normally have a lot of sympathy for corporations - they do what they gotta do - but Exxon is cozy with a lot of state enemies, is involved with all sorts of human rights violations, has weaseled their way out of as much blame and cost as possible whenever they've created environmental disasters, has impeded new power technology including electric cars and solar power, etc. If there were truly one devil incarnate corporation, it would be Big Oil.

We elected Trump to say "fuck you" to crony capitalism and to stand up for the little guy. How do you go from tweeting "fuck you Boeing for spending $4B on an aircraft" to nominating Exxon CEO as SOS is beyond me. This nominations seems to be purely selfish so he can profit from a cozy relationship with Big Oil when he leaves office.

Here's hoping this is just talk though and not who will be appointed to arguably one of the most important cabinet positions.

[Wutang]

I had posted a links to a source saying Rudy was a shoo in for SoS. Looks like now that he has withdrawn himself from consideration.

http://thehill.com/homenews/administrati...-state-job

[Sp5]

(12-09-2016 04:13 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

(12-09-2016 02:55 PM)Slim Shady Wrote:  

Ron Paul seems to like the Puzder appointment a lot.

Yep and I found why:

https://www.amazon.com/Job-Creation-Real...0615436358

The guy is basically for zero regulations.

While he is an autistic libertarian who wants open borders, we don't need to worry about it. The Dept. of Labor has no power over immigration.

I think this may well turn into another case of excellent judgement by Trump. He is playing to people's strengths and keeping them out of areas where they are weak.

We have Sessions for AG and it looks like some military general for DHS. If that can't fix the illegal immigration then nothing will.

Thanks for bring this up, it's a big issue. The Department of Labor has a lot to do with immigration, just about as much as State and Homeland Security. The DOL issues certificates for immigrant and non-immigrant visas, showing positions offered to foreign workers have no qualified American workers available to fill them. This is how your H1-Bs come about.

A Secretary of Labor who's already on record saying foreign workers have a "better attitude" could be giving those labor certifications out to businesses like grains of rice thrown at a wedding.

US Department of Labor: Foreign Labor Certification

Quote:

A permanent labor certification issued by the Department of Labor (DOL) allows an employer to hire a foreign worker to work permanently in the United States. In most instances, before the U.S. employer can submit an immigration petition to the Department of Homeland Security's U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services (USCIS), the employer must obtain a certified labor certification application from the DOL's Employment and Training Administration (ETA). The DOL must certify to the USCIS that there are not sufficient U.S. workers able, willing, qualified and available to accept the job opportunity in the area of intended employment and that employment of the foreign worker will not adversely affect the wages and working conditions of similarly employed U.S. workers.

[Samseau]

"The DOL must certify to the USCIS that there are not sufficient U.S. workers able, willing, qualified and available to accept the job opportunity in the area of intended employment and that employment of the foreign worker will not adversely affect the wages and working conditions of similarly employed U.S. workers."

This is crazy. Looks like the current Dept of Labor doesn't give a shit about following the law. If the law was applied there would be zero H1-B's issued right now.

If this guy sells out Trump is going to lose a lot of voters. Hope Trump knows what he's doing.

[polar]

(12-09-2016 02:35 PM)greekgod Wrote:  

Now of course, Fidelity does 401K, Roth-IRA, and other things but make no mistake, their funds are run by on average, smarter guys than the NYC I-Banks.

Greek god, I know I'm preaching to the choir, but I'd rather say they're different business models, and filter for different types of intelligence.

Investment banks make most of their money on the volume of deals and trading (more sales-focused, hence sell side), buy side gets paid for thinking of the best investments to buy cheap and sell dear. And most buy side people first learn the ropes by starting as a cubicle monkey on the sell side.

[Eastside]

Looks like Cathy McMorris-Rodgers is the Secretary of the Interior. She's establishment GOP, but I actually think this is a good choice for this position specifically. She aligns closely with Trump on what that department should be doing. Secretary of the Interior also isn't a position that oversees things that Trump had big disagreements with the GOPe on. During the election McMorris-Rodgers was mildly critical of Trump at times, but not up to the levels of duplicity that people like Paul Ryan displayed. Being the top ranking woman Republican in the house, she could have been more vocal against Trump, but didn't go super far out of her way to do that outside of generic statements against the Hollywood Access tapes and other Trump "women" stuff. She seems to be friendly with Trump now at least.

[Latinopan]

People need to calm down with Trump's pick, remember Trump is making these choices himself, unlike Obama where one guy from CityBank picked all his cabinet.

[GlobalMan]

(12-09-2016 07:54 PM)monster Wrote:  

This nominations seems to be purely selfish so he can profit from a cozy relationship with Big Oil when he leaves office.

Baseless garbage suggestion.

[Dusty]

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[LikeABaller]

Secretary of Health and Human Services - Dr. Mehmet Oz.
Head of White House Security- Mike Tyson(Public role not technical of course)

And he should definitely appoint Ted Cruz to supreme, he's still young and will probably outlive all those leftist fuckers hopefully.

[Dusty]

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[komatiite]

(12-09-2016 07:46 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

Tillerson seems unorthodox and not a government crony. Looks like a lot of potential.

I ageee Samseau. Here is a list of every country that Exxon operates in:
North America

Canada

Caribbean / Guatemala

México

United States

South America

Argentina

Brazil

Colombia

Europe

Azerbaijan

Belgium

Germany

Cyprus

Finland

France

Ireland

Italy

Kazakhstan

Luxembourg

The Netherlands

Norway

Romania

Russia

Turkey

Turkmenistan

Ukraine

United Kingdom

Middle East/North Africa

Egypt

Iraq

Kuwait

Qatar

Saudi Arabia

United Arab Emirates

Subsaharan Africa

Angola

Chad and Cameroon

Equatorial Guinea

Madagascar

Nigeria

Tanzania

Asia Pacific

Australia

China

Guam Sub-Cluster

Hong Kong

India

Indonesia

Japan

Malaysia

New Zealand

Papua New Guinea

Singapore

South Korea

Taiwan

Thailand

Vietnam




I bet Tillerson has met with more world leaders than any SoS before him had before taking the job, and always under tense negotiations. Plus can you imagine being the CEO of a company that has operations of this scale? It's mind boggling. Think of what you would have to Understand in order to run an operation like Exxon:
-Oil industry as a whole, so knowledge in geosciences, drilling, completions, facilities, engineering, midstream, refineries etc
-Oil industry impact on both manufacturing and consumers
-Global geopolitics and international laws
-Corporate America, so finance, banking, economics etc

Tillerson is just a guy from Wichita Falls TX with a basic degree in Civil Eng from UT Austin, what a true American success story. Nice to see some non Ivy League Diversity being considered.

Very astute by Trump to look outside the box and consider Tillerson. I like it!

[Samseau]

(12-09-2016 10:22 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

"The DOL must certify to the USCIS that there are not sufficient U.S. workers able, willing, qualified and available to accept the job opportunity in the area of intended employment and that employment of the foreign worker will not adversely affect the wages and working conditions of similarly employed U.S. workers."

This is crazy. Looks like the current Dept of Labor doesn't give a shit about following the law. If the law was applied there would be zero H1-B's issued right now.

If this guy sells out Trump is going to lose a lot of voters. Hope Trump knows what he's doing.

I was watching Trump's rally for John Kennedy in Louisiana, and he talked about how the visa program was being abused and given to foreigners when Americans needed those jobs.

So Trump has not changed any positions, which means Trump is either bullshitting or knows his new Sec of Labor pick will not double-cross him on this issue. Considering how good of judgement Trump has had for pretty much his entire life, I am more than willing to give Trump the benefit of the doubt.

[Latinopan]

Linda McMahon Administrator of the Small Business Administration.

She is the closest thing to a female Trump.

[greekgod]

(12-10-2016 11:48 AM)Samseau Wrote:  

(12-09-2016 10:22 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

"The DOL must certify to the USCIS that there are not sufficient U.S. workers able, willing, qualified and available to accept the job opportunity in the area of intended employment and that employment of the foreign worker will not adversely affect the wages and working conditions of similarly employed U.S. workers."

This is crazy. Looks like the current Dept of Labor doesn't give a shit about following the law. If the law was applied there would be zero H1-B's issued right now.

If this guy sells out Trump is going to lose a lot of voters. Hope Trump knows what he's doing.

I was watching Trump's rally for John Kennedy in Louisiana, and he talked about how the visa program was being abused and given to foreigners when Americans needed those jobs.

So Trump has not changed any positions, which means Trump is either bullshitting or knows his new Sec of Labor pick will not double-cross him on this issue. Considering how good of judgement Trump has had for pretty much his entire life, I am more than willing to give Trump the benefit of the doubt.

After revamping how we deal with illegals and immigration processes in general, DOL decisions will be the biggest indicator of whether the movement is sustainable or a flash in the pan. Foreign turmoil, war in the south china sea, DIJ breaking record numbers etc, etc (so SoD, SoS, and SoT) are all less important than having some semblance of putting the american worker first.

Now of course, you can't subsidize millions of employees at the expense of profits but there are many ways to make this work.

Say for example, you derive 60-70% of your revenue from the US like Disney but think its within your rights to outsource as much labor as possible. In the case of Disney to TCS which sends a lot of american dollars to the worlds richest IRT. 10% premium attached to CoL outflows. IDK how legal this would be but when globalisms greatest benefit is to compete on cost its time to kill the idea.

You can't kill your consumer at the W2 line and then turn around and say "Growth isn't there, we can't hire because of lack of demand"

We're the shareholders that supported this shakeup of the board and CEO. Time to reward that faith.

[Eastside]

Looks like its Tillerson for SoS. I'm pretty pleased with this.

[Libertas]

I know nothing about this guy, but I can't think of worse optics for Trump's brand than to hire someone from a company as reviled as Exxon. Doesn't look like draining the swamp. Of course, the important questions are...

Where does he stand on these wars?

Where does he stand on immigration?

Will he do his part to enhance Trump's vision such as rescinding visas from dangerous/uncooperative countries, etc.?

[Kona]

As much as I badmouthed her it would have been good to see a local girl do good. Tulsi just isn't mature enough to be SoS.

[url=https://twitter.com/TulsiGabbard/status/807614029086785536][/url]

That might as be a tweet from my little sister. "When Drake drops his new album" or something like that. Plus, she has to owe serious favors she couldn't pay back if she leaves congress.

At least Hawaii has someone in DC with some pull, so that's good.

Aloha!

[Eastside]

(12-10-2016 02:37 PM)Libertas Wrote:  

I know nothing about this guy, but I can't think of worse optics for Trump's brand than to hire someone from a company as reviled as Exxon. Doesn't look like draining the swamp. Of course, the important questions are...

Where does he stand on these wars?

Where does he stand on immigration?

Will he do his part to enhance Trump's vision such as rescinding visas from dangerous/uncooperative countries, etc.?

Tillerson is aligned with Trump on Russia and other geopolitical issues, doesn't come from the DC entrenched foreign policy echo chamber, and is a big time negotiator and dealmaker on the international stage. If you know anything about the USA's foreign policy system post-WW2 until present this pick is a total and complete departure from the status quo in DC. This is a drain the swamp pick whether it looks like it from the outside to "regular people" or not, simply because it breaks the mold totally from past SoS picks and turns the beltway foreign policy racket on its head. John McCain and Lindsey Graham won't be happy. This is basically the best of the Dana Rhorabacher-type policy positions but smarter, more experienced, and less wild. Very promising.

I get the issue of branding, but Trump picked for competence and ideological alignment here first and foremost, and the branding isn't nearly as bad as some of the other choices he could have picked anyways. Romney? Corker? This still modestly beats those guys from a branding perspective and blows them out of the water on everything else.

[Samseau]

Also, I know Trump is lining up the posts with Billionaires, but look at it this way - these people will be immune to bribes. This is very important, no risk of Shillary's blowing up the world for a few Saudi bucks.

In New Hampshire, state reps are only paid $100 per year, and as a result only successful people can run for office there. NH remains the only place in the Northeast with any Republican presence. The structure of the NH Government has everything to do with this. We have no career politicians. You only run for the love of Neighbor.

[Libertas]

Good points.

You notice something about Trump's cabinet that Dobbs and others have pointed out?

Almost all of them are:

1. Successful business people
2. Generals

In other words, people that know how to get shit done and also people that are harder to bribe or intimidate.

The Puzder pick is still trash and I hope he changes his mind.

Edit: Shit. John Bolton is the Deputy? -_-

Max Abrahms, who is pretty good on this regime change crap, doesn't seem to like it at all (the Bolton part particularly, Tillerson is a wild card). https://twitter.com/MaxAbrahms

[Kona]

(12-10-2016 03:07 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

Also, I know Trump is lining up the posts with Billionaires, but look at it this way - these people will be immune to bribes. This is very important, no risk of Shillary's blowing up the world for a few Saudi bucks.

This was part of the reason I thought Tulsi was a shoe in. Shes not a billionaire but has major connections to big ones. Larry Ellison, the eBay guy, the dole owner guy and Kamehameha Schools, which is an trust but it owns something like 10℅ of Goldman Sachs on top of billions of other assets.

She's already got enough bribe coming in, so theres no reason she'd cash in like hillary did.

Aloha!

[eskimobobseal]

I like the Tillerson pick, he's a political outsider (aligns with the "Drain the Swamp" promise) who won't start a war with Russia, that's pretty much what i hoped I'd get for the secretary of state position.

The drawback is this guy supported Low Energy Jeb during the primary, but if he carries out Trump's foreign policy agenda than all will be forgiven. He's about 100x better than Romney would have been.