[Unchained]

(10-19-2016 12:35 PM)Red_Pillage Wrote:  

Pretty sure everyone here is over thinking it.

Options = flakiness

Hot girls have options

Socal has lots of hot girls.

Basic math.

One of the stupidest things I've read in this thread... Hot girls do have options in So Cal, and ugly ones do too. The competition is not in favor of men.

The sheer number of hit girls doesn't mean shit. The ratio of men to women does. And in LA that ratio is not good. Women often date way up in LA. LA has got to be the most overrated city in the US.

Also I don't believe LA women are proportionally hotter than other women to be honest. It's just that TV and movies and radio tell us LA girls are hottest and we believe it. Or maybe it's the blonde white girl worship prevalent in the manosphere. I don't see LA girls as crazy hot on AVERAGE compared to other girls.

Also a lot of guys saying LA is good will pivot and say they focus on foreign women/tourists/travelers.... Uhhh yeah so much for LA women.

[Comte De St. Germain]

Not sure about LA women in the sense of born and raised in LA, but transplants that come to pursue whatever dream they have are the crème of the crop.

The average girl is shit there's no questions about that and even average girls date up. You know where LA really goes the distance is in the hottest of the hot girls.

The top 10% of girls in LA blow everywhere but Miami and maybe NYC out of the water. It's a play ground for guys who have made it. So yeah you're right and so is RP.

Proportionally there's more seriously hot girls(8-9 level) than anywhere else and they have options like a motherfucker. I myself struck out seriously hard there nonstop. I can beat average but playing against socially talented people feels like they have cheat codes it's that hard.

The quality is good the problem is finding it and beating out the intense competition. I can't speak for Miami but I hear that's the only other place you have to outplay everyone around you that hard.

This is why I said. This city is for the hungry hungry man. If you have boundless ambition and drive then make it LA is like heaven on Earth in the States. Otherwise it's better for you to get out because a lot of men don't measure up. This is not a city of averages this is a city for the truly exceptional. The kind of person I would like to be which is why I put myself through hell coming back now and again.

Might even be back there again in March rather than Chicago as the man I consider like a brother to me is telling me to come through again. I hate and love the city a lot it's truly a mixed bag.

[Rhyme or Reason]

(10-26-2016 11:14 AM)Unchained Wrote:  

(10-19-2016 12:35 PM)Red_Pillage Wrote:  

Pretty sure everyone here is over thinking it.

Options = flakiness

Hot girls have options

Socal has lots of hot girls.

Basic math.

One of the stupidest things I've read in this thread... Hot girls do have options in So Cal, and ugly ones do too. The competition is not in favor of men.

The sheer number of hit girls doesn't mean shit. The ratio of men to women does. And in LA that ratio is not good. Women often date way up in LA. LA has got to be the most overrated city in the US.

Also I don't believe LA women are proportionally hotter than other women to be honest. It's just that TV and movies and radio tell us LA girls are hottest and we believe it. Or maybe it's the blonde white girl worship prevalent in the manosphere. I don't see LA girls as crazy hot on AVERAGE compared to other girls.

Also a lot of guys saying LA is good will pivot and say they focus on foreign women/tourists/travelers.... Uhhh yeah so much for LA women.

So you're saying...society conditioned us to like hot girls!? What's next, a hard on is a social construct? You sound like a chick or a fag.


LA has a higher concentration of hot girls because of the cliche that everyone moves there to "make it". Again, basic math that you seem incapable of grasping. All the hottest chicks from Podunk to Zanesville that want to be an actress or whatever end up in LA. It's a destination spot for bright eyed, bushy tailed "talent" that is until their dreams are crushed and they end up shooting up meth in an allyway somewhere in Van Nuys.

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Also a lot of guys saying LA is good will pivot and say they focus on foreign women/tourists/travelers.... Uhhh yeah so much for LA women.

Nobody argued for their quality, only their attractiveness.

[kaotic]

(10-26-2016 02:02 AM)Naughty By Nature Wrote:  

Thanks for the input, bud, but drugs are pathetic.

Never understood how people would be so desperate to fit in and be mindless followers that they would voluntarily destroy their health and body with hard drugs or cigarettes. It's slow suicide.

Bud ?

You probably drink alcohol, you might take scripts, you might eat really shitty food - that's all slow suicide and pathetic also.

I don't get it either, LA isn't my scene, I just witness what I see when I visit friends.

I agree having a healthy mind and body but dabbling here and there in things can be fun to people.

That's their choice, I'm sure you've got some vices, just like we all do.

So you can knock off the holier than thou passive aggressive comments in your replies in this thread.

[Unchained]

(10-26-2016 11:32 AM)Red_Pillage Wrote:  

(10-26-2016 11:14 AM)Unchained Wrote:  

(10-19-2016 12:35 PM)Red_Pillage Wrote:  

Pretty sure everyone here is over thinking it.

Options = flakiness

Hot girls have options

Socal has lots of hot girls.

Basic math.

One of the stupidest things I've read in this thread... Hot girls do have options in So Cal, and ugly ones do too. The competition is not in favor of men.

The sheer number of hit girls doesn't mean shit. The ratio of men to women does. And in LA that ratio is not good. Women often date way up in LA. LA has got to be the most overrated city in the US.

Also I don't believe LA women are proportionally hotter than other women to be honest. It's just that TV and movies and radio tell us LA girls are hottest and we believe it. Or maybe it's the blonde white girl worship prevalent in the manosphere. I don't see LA girls as crazy hot on AVERAGE compared to other girls.

Also a lot of guys saying LA is good will pivot and say they focus on foreign women/tourists/travelers.... Uhhh yeah so much for LA women.

So you're saying...society conditioned us to like hot girls!? What's next, a hard on is a social construct? You sound like a chick or a fag.


LA has a higher concentration of hot girls because of the cliche that everyone moves there to "make it". Again, basic math that you seem incapable of grasping. All the hottest chicks from Podunk to Zanesville that want to be an actress or whatever end up in LA. It's a destination spot for bright eyed, bushy tailed "talent" that is until their dreams are crushed and they end up shooting up meth in an allyway somewhere in Van Nuys.

Of course men love hot chicks don't be fucking stupid. No I'm saying guys idealize the concept of an "LA chick" in their mind to be extra hot. The same girl they saw somewhere else that would be a 7 or 8 somehow becomes a 9 if she's in LA. It's a psychological effect like the cheerleader effect.

As for the influx of women from other places I don't see that as anything special either. Yes LA attracts models/actresses/musicians. These people are a minority. They are focused in Hollywood and the westside then spread out after that. Any guy who thinks he's going to come to LA and bang some hot 20 year old model every week is fucking delusional.

I have banged a couple of these girls too. One musician from Alaska and one east coast model. Both hot as fuck and under 20. But that's definitely not the norm and I lucked out on how I met them.

Unless you have a niche or a crutch to rely on to continually be around these chicks, this isn't going to happen. And for the cost of living and shitty nightlife I don't see how it's worth it.

Why the fuck would I want to struggle and work my ass off to haphazardly bang model/actress 8s when I could go to a better city and bang nurse/accountant 8s?

Models honestly aren't even usually that hot. They're just slender with really good cheek/bone structure with teams of make up professionals and stylists. They typically have no body. Actresses are usually hotter but half of these "industry" girls are simply above average in looks. There isn't an army of goddesses in LA that came from out of state and are ready to put out.

Yes LA has hot chicks. So does NY, so does Chicago, so does Minneapolis, so does Atlanta, so does Houston, so does Austin, so does Phoenix.

I don't understand the obsession some men have with banging "models". Who cares if a 9 is a model or works at Taco Bell as long as she's a 9?

I'm genuinely not understanding the value proposition you seem to be suggesting that Los Angeles has as a city that's good for men. If you look at roosh's post on what makes a city good for men LA does not fit the criteria. I'd honestly love for you to explain it to me.

Of course if you're an outlier who would do good anywhere maybe you see it different but for 80% of men I'd say to avoid LA if possible.

I'm looking forward to moving out of So Cal in a year or 2 and moving to a city with better cost of living, better ratios, better nightlife, less urban sprawl, more walkability, and taking advantage of an exotic factor I'd have as an LA guy in another state. Can't imagine staying here while I'm entering my prime. Not that I couldn't succeed but I'd rather get the most bang for my buck.

[Rhyme or Reason]

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Of course men love hot chicks don't be fucking stupid. No I'm saying guys idealize the concept of an "LA chick" in their mind to be extra hot. The same girl they saw somewhere else that would be a 7 or 8 somehow becomes a 9 if she's in LA. It's a psychological effect

Nah man. I don't take much else into consideration when considering the attractiveness of a chick other than what my dick tells me. And it doesn't care about what city I happen to be in at the time.

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The same girl they saw somewhere else that would be a 7 or 8 somehow becomes a 9 if she's in LA.

If anything it's the opposite.

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I'm not understanding the value proposition you seem to be suggesting that Los Angeles has as a city that's good for men.

Point to where I said that.

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I don't understand the obsession some men have with banging "models". Who cares if a 9 is a model or works at Taco Bell as long as she's a 9?

I don't prefer stick figure bitches but that's neither here nor there.

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Unless you have a niche or a crutch to rely on to continually be around these chicks, this isn't going to happen.

I think this might come closer to explaining the flakiness of LA chicks. Unless you have a leg up or they can benefit somehow from association with you they're more inclined to flake. Call it supercharged hypergamy.

[Comte De St. Germain]

You're not going to make it in L.A. as above average. You can only make it as someone exceptional. Take it as you will the city isn't the problem it's only on you to tap into its potential. There's no area of the world that can maintain its hype if it sucks.

It's like going to Monaco as a poor schmuck and expecting to ball out on that 50k a year job.

A leg up is the minimum you can do in a place like that.

[Naughty By Nature]

(10-26-2016 12:58 PM)Comte De St. Germain Wrote:  

You're not going to make it in L.A. as above average. You can only make it as someone exceptional. Take it as you will the city isn't the problem it's only on you to tap into its potential. There's no area of the world that can maintain its hype if it sucks.

It's like going to Monaco as a poor schmuck and expecting to ball out on that 50k a year job.

A leg up is the minimum you can do in a place like that.

I see what you're saying. I'm in my mid-20s and I'm pretty driven to go along with a degree from a top 15 university. If I could flip a switch and earn 6-figures then I gladly would, but things take time.

[Naughty By Nature]

(10-26-2016 11:57 AM)Unchained Wrote:  

(10-26-2016 11:32 AM)Red_Pillage Wrote:  

(10-26-2016 11:14 AM)Unchained Wrote:  

(10-19-2016 12:35 PM)Red_Pillage Wrote:  

Pretty sure everyone here is over thinking it.

Options = flakiness

Hot girls have options

Socal has lots of hot girls.

Basic math.

One of the stupidest things I've read in this thread... Hot girls do have options in So Cal, and ugly ones do too. The competition is not in favor of men.

The sheer number of hit girls doesn't mean shit. The ratio of men to women does. And in LA that ratio is not good. Women often date way up in LA. LA has got to be the most overrated city in the US.

Also I don't believe LA women are proportionally hotter than other women to be honest. It's just that TV and movies and radio tell us LA girls are hottest and we believe it. Or maybe it's the blonde white girl worship prevalent in the manosphere. I don't see LA girls as crazy hot on AVERAGE compared to other girls.

Also a lot of guys saying LA is good will pivot and say they focus on foreign women/tourists/travelers.... Uhhh yeah so much for LA women.

So you're saying...society conditioned us to like hot girls!? What's next, a hard on is a social construct? You sound like a chick or a fag.


LA has a higher concentration of hot girls because of the cliche that everyone moves there to "make it". Again, basic math that you seem incapable of grasping. All the hottest chicks from Podunk to Zanesville that want to be an actress or whatever end up in LA. It's a destination spot for bright eyed, bushy tailed "talent" that is until their dreams are crushed and they end up shooting up meth in an allyway somewhere in Van Nuys.

Of course men love hot chicks don't be fucking stupid. No I'm saying guys idealize the concept of an "LA chick" in their mind to be extra hot. The same girl they saw somewhere else that would be a 7 or 8 somehow becomes a 9 if she's in LA. It's a psychological effect like the cheerleader effect.

As for the influx of women from other places I don't see that as anything special either. Yes LA attracts models/actresses/musicians. These people are a minority. They are focused in Hollywood and the westside then spread out after that. Any guy who thinks he's going to come to LA and bang some hot 20 year old model every week is fucking delusional.

I have banged a couple of these girls too. One musician from Alaska and one east coast model. Both hot as fuck and under 20. But that's definitely not the norm and I lucked out on how I met them.

Unless you have a niche or a crutch to rely on to continually be around these chicks, this isn't going to happen. And for the cost of living and shitty nightlife I don't see how it's worth it.

Why the fuck would I want to struggle and work my ass off to haphazardly bang model/actress 8s when I could go to a better city and bang nurse/accountant 8s?

Models honestly aren't even usually that hot. They're just slender with really good cheek/bone structure with teams of make up professionals and stylists. They typically have no body. Actresses are usually hotter but half of these "industry" girls are simply above average in looks. There isn't an army of goddesses in LA that came from out of state and are ready to put out.

Yes LA has hot chicks. So does NY, so does Chicago, so does Minneapolis, so does Atlanta, so does Houston, so does Austin, so does Phoenix.

I don't understand the obsession some men have with banging "models". Who cares if a 9 is a model or works at Taco Bell as long as she's a 9?

I'm genuinely not understanding the value proposition you seem to be suggesting that Los Angeles has as a city that's good for men. If you look at roosh's post on what makes a city good for men LA does not fit the criteria. I'd honestly love for you to explain it to me.

Of course if you're an outlier who would do good anywhere maybe you see it different but for 80% of men I'd say to avoid LA if possible.

I'm looking forward to moving out of So Cal in a year or 2 and moving to a city with better cost of living, better ratios, better nightlife, less urban sprawl, more walkability, and taking advantage of an exotic factor I'd have as an LA guy in another state. Can't imagine staying here while I'm entering my prime. Not that I couldn't succeed but I'd rather get the most bang for my buck.

Bro, everything you said here is DEAD ON.

Attractive women in the entertainment industry are few and far between. People need to keep in mind that there are 4 million people living in LA and another 6 million living in LA County, as a whole. They represent about 5% of the LA population, not to mention many of them are out of the city within a year since the entertainment industry is very shady, ruthless, while being the industry in the states most closely resembling the lottery. You have 1% of entertainers earning 99% of the collective pot. Just brutal. The vast majority are unable to earn a living and have to live with 4+ roommates until being forced to kick rocks.

Completely agree regarding your comment on models. They tend to have really grotesque bodies IMO. Bodies that are comparable to those of a 13 year-old boy.

LOL, I've gotta check out Minneapolis. I actually applied to the University of Minnesota as one of my safety schools. Ended up attending Northwestern.

The sad reality regarding LA is that you'll see 5 or so ugly Mexican women with refrigerator bodies for every attractive woman. Most of them are wonderful people but I wouldn't want to stick my dong inside them.

LA is virtually devoid of hawt Puerto Rican, Dominican, Venezuelan, and Colombian girls, while the few black girls here live in the South Central ghetto and Inglewood.

I reckon we're in the same boat.

The urban sprawl makes LA very scenic in certain spots (Runyon Canyon and Griffith Park are stunning) but it kills walkability. Heck, I went to college in a suburban town of 80k (LA is 50x the size, lol!) yet was able to approach more girls there since everyone walked while everyone is in their car here in LA.

The cities on my list are:

Charlotte
Atlanta
Montreal
Chicago

I eliminated any cities in Florida/Arizona/Texas because I don't like the heat. Atlanta and Charlotte seem cool but I'm actually not sure about the walkability there. NYC is too damn expensive and too crowded.

I'd love to hear your thoughts, though, bud.

EDIT: Another thing that is terrible about LA is how vapid and flaky the girls are. At this point, I'm in shock if a # I get actually translates to a date. Also, a girl would rather hear that you're a member of ISIS than you don't drink alcohol. Really sad to see women be so vapid and such mindless followers. Sorry for being authentic and not copying everyone else! Not!

The driving out here is a nightmare, too. Dodging cars is like dodging bullets out here.

[laq8ty]

I agree with a lot of what is posted. But I think La is a city where you have to figure out a game/scene/niche that works for you and roll with it.

Getting laid here is pretty easy. I don't have a good comparison to NYC because I have never lived there so maybe its even better? There are a shit ton of single girls here and they are mostly DTF. They have ZERO expectations for relationships. They are just as much in the game as the dudes. This is a good thing if you don't want to get a gf/wife/ltr but still hook up.

I do think that the top 10-30% of the same dudes are banging most of the women here and the bottom 70-90% of guys are getting nothing.

Fit girls and hot weather. girls everywhere in yoga pants.

[Oilrig]

Naughty by nature what you posted about LA is true of Houston. There's a lot of hot girls but also a lot of unattractive, overweight Mexican and black chicks. Everytime I take a family member from out of state to a mall in Houston they always comment on how fat the girls are here. Also, a lot of poverty and ghettos around Houston.

I was shocked at how hot the girls are in Minneapolis compared to Houston. Hot blondes with fit bodies are the norm. It was a paradise for someone like me who loves white girls.

[Naughty By Nature]

(10-30-2016 11:38 PM)Oilrig Wrote:  

Naughty by nature what you posted about LA is true of Houston. There's a lot of hot girls but also a lot of unattractive, overweight Mexican and black chicks. Everytime I take a family member from out of state to a mall in Houston they always comment on how fat the girls are here. Also, a lot of poverty and ghettos around Houston.

I was shocked at how hot the girls are in Minneapolis compared to Houston. Hot blondes with fit bodies are the norm. It was a paradise for someone like me who loves white girls.

I could totally see that.

Both very large cities that are EXTREMELY sprawling. High Mexican populations. LOL, I remember seeing in Supersize Me (excellent documentary) that Houston had the highest incidence of obesity.

Interesting, regarding Minneapolis. I could actually see that. I believe there's a high Scandinavian population there (I'm going off the Minnesota Vikings, haha).

I guess the old adage "familiarity breeds contempt" is unfortunately accurate. I grew up in basically an all-white town and now I am rarely ever attracted to white girls. I'm mainly attracted to black girls, Latinas (not the ones out here usually, lol), Middle Easterners, and Indian girls.

It's unfortunate that the vast majority of black girls and Latinas live in ghetto areas.

[Rico Ramon]

LA has attractive women but I wouldn't say that every other woman walking down the street in LA is super attractive, there is a ton of butt ugly women there and like so many comments before, alot of these women get the pump and dump from alot of men that they become a bit nuts after awhile in LA, especially if they are struggling in their careers. LA can tear people down real quick or either its a long grind to letting this place fuck you up in the head.

[eradicator]

(10-26-2016 11:14 AM)Unchained Wrote:  

(10-19-2016 12:35 PM)Red_Pillage Wrote:  

Pretty sure everyone here is over thinking it.

Options = flakiness

Hot girls have options

Socal has lots of hot girls.

Basic math.

One of the stupidest things I've read in this thread... Hot girls do have options in So Cal, and ugly ones do too. The competition is not in favor of men.

The sheer number of hit girls doesn't mean shit. The ratio of men to women does. And in LA that ratio is not good. Women often date way up in LA. LA has got to be the most overrated city in the US.

Also I don't believe LA women are proportionally hotter than other women to be honest. It's just that TV and movies and radio tell us LA girls are hottest and we believe it. Or maybe it's the blonde white girl worship prevalent in the manosphere. I don't see LA girls as crazy hot on AVERAGE compared to other girls.

Also a lot of guys saying LA is good will pivot and say they focus on foreign women/tourists/travelers.... Uhhh yeah so much for LA women.

LA is good to find women. You have to find your niche as many guys have been saying.

What guys are saying about the masses of thirsty men is also true. We have a population of 10M and bad logistics because everyone is so spread out, it doesn't have the density of Manhattan or Chicago, or most good sized cities(hell, even San Diego is probably easier in that sense.)

You can have both(a glut of hot women and a glut of thirsty men)

[Malone]

I've only ever been a tourist to LA. At the time I was living full time in Jakarta.

I found the small bits of LA I saw to be full of pretty nice chicas. I saw lots of hot black girl talent, and approached a bit. They were super polite as they blew my ragged ass out.

I also found the traffic at it's worst (according to our cabbie) to be fuck all. Harden the fuck up pussies. Go live in Jakarta for a while.

[Naughty By Nature]

*UPDATE*

I've now been in LA for 9 weeks and I've only pulled 1 girl back to my place, lol.

I started gaming properly and consistently over my last 7 weeks in college (Evanston, Illinois...just north of Chicago).

Over those 7 weeks, I pulled 7 girls back to my place (didn't have sex with all of them...strictly talking pulls).

So I'm essentially getting 10% the success out here, lol, despite being more confident NOW than I was 3 years ago. If that doesn't spell out the complete and utter futility of gaming in LA here for a guy then I don't know what would.

Do not move here...unless you're a male model/multi-millionaire/celebrity/woman/gay guy/virgin by choice.

http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/379298

[Unchained]

(10-31-2016 04:53 AM)eradicator Wrote:  

(10-26-2016 11:14 AM)Unchained Wrote:  

(10-19-2016 12:35 PM)Red_Pillage Wrote:  

Pretty sure everyone here is over thinking it.

Options = flakiness

Hot girls have options

Socal has lots of hot girls.

Basic math.

One of the stupidest things I've read in this thread... Hot girls do have options in So Cal, and ugly ones do too. The competition is not in favor of men.

The sheer number of hit girls doesn't mean shit. The ratio of men to women does. And in LA that ratio is not good. Women often date way up in LA. LA has got to be the most overrated city in the US.

Also I don't believe LA women are proportionally hotter than other women to be honest. It's just that TV and movies and radio tell us LA girls are hottest and we believe it. Or maybe it's the blonde white girl worship prevalent in the manosphere. I don't see LA girls as crazy hot on AVERAGE compared to other girls.

Also a lot of guys saying LA is good will pivot and say they focus on foreign women/tourists/travelers.... Uhhh yeah so much for LA women.

LA is good to find women. You have to find your niche as many guys have been saying.

What guys are saying about the masses of thirsty men is also true. We have a population of 10M and bad logistics because everyone is so spread out, it doesn't have the density of Manhattan or Chicago, or most good sized cities(hell, even San Diego is probably easier in that sense.)

You can have both(a glut of hot women and a glut of thirsty men)

A glut of hot women is meaningless if you don't have access to it. I could have a fridge full of the most expensive champagne on earth but if it's locked and the key is at the top of Kilimanjaro that shit is useless.

If there's a glut of thirsty men, then the price of pussy is inflated. Is there a glut of thirsty men in "pussy paradises"? Lots of hot women is great. Lots of thirsty men is BAD. Especially when a lot of these men aren't fat, out of shape, unfashionable or square. Guys who would be considered above average in other parts of the country are invisible in LA during night game. I grew up in LA. I've seen time and time again guys who were in shape, stylish, tatted, and in no way timid not able to consistently pull women. It's fucking bad here. Lots of LA guys have game but not a lot of them are successful with women. That's a problem bro.

Top 20% is not good enough in LA. You gotta be top 5% here if you want the hotties. Top 20% men in LA are fighting tooth and nail for almost every 7 and up they get and most of em are fighting other 20%ers for entitled 5s and 6s at the end of the night if they're lucky enough not to be jerking off that weekend.

The fact that you need a niche in LA is a problem. It can hardly be called a good city for women if you need a "niche" to be successful. That's absurd. The fact alone that you need a specific niche to be successful argues against your own point. If you have a niche you're either projecting a stereotype or active member of a certain subculture, and that also typically means you're running social circle game. How the fuck is a city good for men if you need to be a niche guy in a certain scene/subculture and you need to break into established social circles?

Then you have the well established NIGHTMARE logistics and the fact that LA utterly fails the busted dudes test.

IMO you're defending the indefensible. I mean yes there's hot women to be had in LA, like any other city, but it's not a good city for men IMO. I don't see the point in playing a game that's so stacked against me and I'm leaving as soon as it's convenient. It's simply a bad city for men. As a non-stereotypical black man I feel doubly so about my hate for LA but that's a whole other post.


I truly believe any even half successful LA player would absolutely kill it in any tier 2 city in America with absolutely zero change to their current game other than change of location.


Men without a well established niche or top tier looks/genetics should leave LA for greener pastures if they aren't getting what they want. It's just not worth it.

[Travesty]

^ Yeah SoCal has the highest male competition on average of any large geographic region of the US and probably the planet other than the Sydney/Melbourne coastline in Australia and maybe parts of Italy / Spain.

The 5% is spot on. The usuals of in shape, decent money, fun personality, smart, good dancer... this isn't enough.

You are competing with trustfund kids (have a Range Rover and Aspen ski vacactions from their allowance while trying to start a band or acting career) with trophy wife gene good looks and alpha dad role models. You are also competing with artists, musicians, surfers, fighters etc...

Being in good beach shape is just a start here.

If you can't be top 5% in the usuals you need to be a top 5% in a social scene.

[LeoneVolpe]

Perhaps some of you may disagree, but I truly believe game is the great equalizer. I can't dance to save my life, I'm far from a trust fund kid (unfortunately), but that hasn't stopped me from having great success with girls in SoCal. In fact, I've done SO MUCH better here than where I grew up in a part of the country you'd expect success to come much easier.

[Unchained]

(11-27-2016 11:39 PM)LeoneVolpe Wrote:  

Perhaps some of you may disagree, but I truly believe game is the great equalizer. I can't dance to save my life, I'm far from a trust fund kid (unfortunately), but that hasn't stopped me from having great success with girls in SoCal. In fact, I've done SO MUCH better here than where I grew up in a part of the country you'd expect success to come much easier.

What do you look like, what's your stats? What's your style? Where and how do you pull?

if you're really good looking you'll do well anywhere. Also I've found guys who neatly fit stereotypes also do pretty well. Would have to know more to actually comment.

[LeoneVolpe]

In full disclosure, I'm definitely above average. As for style, I've got a shaved head and a beard, so I guess more of a "bad boy look." I've done some work in television, but not enough I could lean on status alone to help pull chicks. Although just working around hot, young actresses from time-to-time certainly hasn't hurt. As for the rest, I'm sure I've done all the same shit as any other guy on here: Day-game (outdoor shopping malls, bookstores, coffee shops), Night-game (clubs and bars), Online-game (Instagram, Facebook, POF, OKCupid, etc.).

Hopefully my post isn't misconstrued as trying to brag. Not once in 774 posts have I ever "tooted my own horn" physically, but since you asked I'm just being honest. I would never claim to have a 100% success rate with girls, I've had flakes and failures same as anyone else -- but I've certainly had what I'd consider to be great luck since moving here.

[Unchained]

(11-28-2016 12:21 AM)LeoneVolpe Wrote:  

In full disclosure, I'm definitely above average. As for style, I've got a shaved head and a beard, so I guess more of a "bad boy look." I've done some work in television, but not enough I could lean on status alone to help pull chicks. Although just working around hot, young actresses from time-to-time certainly hasn't hurt. As for the rest, I'm sure I've done all the same shit as any other guy on here: Day-game (outdoor shopping malls, bookstores, coffee shops), Night-game (clubs and bars), Online-game (Instagram, Facebook, POF, OKCupid, etc.).

Hopefully my post isn't misconstrued as trying to brag. Not once in 774 posts have I ever "tooted my own horn" physically, but since you asked I'm just being honest. I would never claim to have a 100% success rate with girls, I've had flakes same as anyone else -- but I've certainly had what I'd consider to be great luck since moving here.

What kind of television work did you do? And what makes you "definitely above average"?

[LeoneVolpe]

(11-28-2016 12:25 AM)Unchained Wrote:  

(11-28-2016 12:21 AM)LeoneVolpe Wrote:  

In full disclosure, I'm definitely above average. As for style, I've got a shaved head and a beard, so I guess more of a "bad boy look." I've done some work in television, but not enough I could lean on status alone to help pull chicks. Although just working around hot, young actresses from time-to-time certainly hasn't hurt. As for the rest, I'm sure I've done all the same shit as any other guy on here: Day-game (outdoor shopping malls, bookstores, coffee shops), Night-game (clubs and bars), Online-game (Instagram, Facebook, POF, OKCupid, etc.).

Hopefully my post isn't misconstrued as trying to brag. Not once in 774 posts have I ever "tooted my own horn" physically, but since you asked I'm just being honest. I would never claim to have a 100% success rate with girls, I've had flakes same as anyone else -- but I've certainly had what I'd consider to be great luck since moving here.

What kind of television work did you do? And what makes you "definitely above average"?

For the sake of not outing myself, I'd rather not discuss what work I've done. As for considering myself to be "definitely above average," you can choose to believe me or not, I'm not looking to qualify myself here. My intent in posting to begin with was merely to say that success can be found in LA/OC areas. Are there flakes? Of course. Do I have a 100% rate? Absolutely not. But it's certainly FAR from hopeless out here.

[Unchained]

(11-28-2016 12:30 AM)LeoneVolpe Wrote:  

(11-28-2016 12:25 AM)Unchained Wrote:  

(11-28-2016 12:21 AM)LeoneVolpe Wrote:  

In full disclosure, I'm definitely above average. As for style, I've got a shaved head and a beard, so I guess more of a "bad boy look." I've done some work in television, but not enough I could lean on status alone to help pull chicks. Although just working around hot, young actresses from time-to-time certainly hasn't hurt. As for the rest, I'm sure I've done all the same shit as any other guy on here: Day-game (outdoor shopping malls, bookstores, coffee shops), Night-game (clubs and bars), Online-game (Instagram, Facebook, POF, OKCupid, etc.).

Hopefully my post isn't misconstrued as trying to brag. Not once in 774 posts have I ever "tooted my own horn" physically, but since you asked I'm just being honest. I would never claim to have a 100% success rate with girls, I've had flakes same as anyone else -- but I've certainly had what I'd consider to be great luck since moving here.

What kind of television work did you do? And what makes you "definitely above average"?

For the sake of not outing myself, I'd rather not discuss what work I've done. As for considering myself to be "definitely above average," you can choose to believe me or not, I'm not looking to qualify myself here. My intent in posting to begin with was merely to say that success can be found in LA/OC areas. Are there flakes? Of course. Do I have a 100% rate? Absolutely not. But it's certainly FAR from hopeless out here.

What? I mean are you an actor, cameraman, coffee guy? And I was literally asking what makes you "definitely above average". Facial aesthetics, height, etc. Not sure why you're being defensive I was literally trying to understand you.

That being said, when guys who are genetically blessed say game is the great equalizer I have to roll my eyes a bit.

[LeoneVolpe]

(11-28-2016 12:33 AM)Unchained Wrote:  

(11-28-2016 12:30 AM)LeoneVolpe Wrote:  

(11-28-2016 12:25 AM)Unchained Wrote:  

(11-28-2016 12:21 AM)LeoneVolpe Wrote:  

In full disclosure, I'm definitely above average. As for style, I've got a shaved head and a beard, so I guess more of a "bad boy look." I've done some work in television, but not enough I could lean on status alone to help pull chicks. Although just working around hot, young actresses from time-to-time certainly hasn't hurt. As for the rest, I'm sure I've done all the same shit as any other guy on here: Day-game (outdoor shopping malls, bookstores, coffee shops), Night-game (clubs and bars), Online-game (Instagram, Facebook, POF, OKCupid, etc.).

Hopefully my post isn't misconstrued as trying to brag. Not once in 774 posts have I ever "tooted my own horn" physically, but since you asked I'm just being honest. I would never claim to have a 100% success rate with girls, I've had flakes same as anyone else -- but I've certainly had what I'd consider to be great luck since moving here.

What kind of television work did you do? And what makes you "definitely above average"?

For the sake of not outing myself, I'd rather not discuss what work I've done. As for considering myself to be "definitely above average," you can choose to believe me or not, I'm not looking to qualify myself here. My intent in posting to begin with was merely to say that success can be found in LA/OC areas. Are there flakes? Of course. Do I have a 100% rate? Absolutely not. But it's certainly FAR from hopeless out here.

What? I mean are you an actor, cameraman, coffee guy? And I was literally asking what makes you "definitely above average". Facial aesthetics, height, etc. Not sure why you're being defensive I was literally trying to understand you.

That being said, when guys who are genetically blessed say game is the great equalizer I have to roll my eyes a bit.

Not trying to be defensive. I'm just not going to try to convince any man on this forum I'm attractive. Lol. I may be "genetically blessed," but as other posters have pointed out, so are many men out here. Looks will help get you in the door, I won't deny that -- but a handsome man with shit game can still lose a chick to a guy who is physically less attractive with tight game.