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What's With The Flakiness of People In LA?
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What's With The Flakiness of People In LA?

Quote: (10-18-2016 09:59 AM)MdWanderer Wrote:  

Portland is pretty bad too from what I heard, and I met a guy who was from the East Coast originally but now lives in San Francisco complaining about the same thing there.

It's everywhere to some degree, but likely is better in some places and worse than others.

In Boston where I'm at it does happen, but it's probably more rare than other places. Random phone #'s taken from young girls during night game were definitely the flakiest, so far I've never been able to close with a girl I just took a number from - they'd always flake eventually.

Online has been better in that regard. I did around 50 meets in the past 14 months or so, and just about every girl who I managed to grind a number out of and confirm a time with showed up. Doesn't mean I always got the bang or that they'd ever turn up again, not by a long shot, but at least I could be pretty much guaranteed that they'd be on time for the first night.

My main demographic is older, because I am - around 26 to 35. Older girls in the Northeast seem to be less flakey than average.

On a few occasions I managed to turn a flake around and get her out. And I realized that in just about all of those occasions a flakey 29 year old girl simply was never even worth my effort flipping to start with.

I recall one over the summer who flaked on me several times, and eventually just invited me direct to her place. That had never happened to me before so I thought that was cool, but when I got there I realized a) she wasn't anything special at all, I'd had much better before from girls who didn't flake, and b) she was just kind of a loser who didn't have her shit together and probably just wanted to see what she what I was worth., I drank her booze, she asked me to fix her computer, resisted any escalation, and I bounced before an hour was up.

I'm guessing just about any guy here would be a significant upgrade for a wall-pusher. IMO older women who flake like they're 22 are just loser females, simple as that.

I'll just add that unfortunately, I know from running a small tech consulting/repair business that men can be just as flakey. I learned quickly that while I'd like to do "family and friends" discounts and just make verbal agreements with people, I simply can't if I want to make any money. If someone wants work done, everyone signs off on the same written contract and gets charged equivalent rates. Verbal isn't worth shit anymore, guys will pitch an idea at you or want work done and you think they've agreed to it, but unless you've got it in writing they'll suddenly call you up after you've put two weeks of work in and casually mention that their wife needs some money for the kid's school clothes, or it's been a really tough month with the bills and they've got to cancel on you, or they're going to try to fix their cocktail arcade machine themselves or have found someone they think can do it cheaper, as sure as anything.
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What's With The Flakiness of People In LA?

Quote: (10-18-2016 11:52 AM)XPQ22 Wrote:  

I'll just add that unfortunately, I know from running a small tech consulting/repair business that men can be just as flakey. I learned quickly that while I'd like to do "family and friends" discounts and just make verbal agreements with people, I simply can't if I want to make any money. If someone wants work done, everyone signs off on the same written contract and gets charged equivalent rates. Verbal isn't worth shit anymore, guys will pitch an idea at you or want work done and you think they've agreed to it, but unless you've got it in writing they'll suddenly call you up after you've put two weeks of work in and casually mention that their wife needs some money for the kid's school clothes, or it's been a really tough month with the bills and they've got to cancel on you, or they're going to try to fix their cocktail arcade machine themselves or have found someone they think can do it cheaper, as sure as anything.

I have discovered this too, which is why it doesn't bother me anymore when girls flake. And at least with the girl she's giving up something significant (her pussy) and one bang can possibly alter her life for the next 18 years so she has to be selective, whereas with guys you simply ask them for their time or a simple favor and they can't even do that. A buddy of mine bailed out two weekends in a row when we were supposed to go gaming. The first week he actually asked me first, then complained about his back hurting a few hours before we were going to go out. The second week we were going to game at an outdoor festival and told me to be ready by 9pm. I get ready and give him a buzz but he said he was staying in; he was playing video games.
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What's With The Flakiness of People In LA?

Quote: (10-18-2016 12:34 AM)XPQ22 Wrote:  

Also keep in mind that LA has one of the worst m/f ratios in the country. Every American city is a sausagefest by any metric you care to use in the 20-39 demographic, but LA is particularly bad.

http://jonathansoma.com/singles/#2/5/2/0

75 unmatched men per 1000 women - it's nearly as bad as tech-nerd filled Seattle or San Francisco. San Diego is worse at 125.

By comparison, NYC destroys it at 35. Even Chicago, Boston and Providence, RI are theoretical game paradises at around 40-50.

Boston's m/f spread in the 20-39 demo is only 28 unmatched men per 1000 women, and most clubs I go to never look any better than 50-50 on the best of nights. The average LA or San Francisco night spot that doesn't cater to ballers must look like gay bars. I can completely understand how guys in that environment who are above average in looks, financially secure with good game like I'm sure Balkan above is are having multiple 6es a week flake on them who are 26, barely employed, broke as fuck and don't even have a car.

Though in a sense it hardly matters because night game is pretty much dead as a doornail in the feminist-heavy Northeast. In LA SNLs with club girls is likely still actually a possibility. Baltimore and Washington, DC also look great on paper if you only look at the ratios, but we know they suck.

Yeah I'm a pretty good looking, in shape guy and I still get blownout quite frequently. It sucks to say this but a large amount of the girls I've dated, although cute, are complete losers. It's fun comparing my results here vs when I travel abroad. But it should be said I still am a game beginner, my approaches aren't where they need to be and I over-rely on low ROI avenues of nightgame/online.

Nice analysis on the ratios. That point often gets ignored but I doubt this forum would even exist if the anglosphere had a 110:100 f:m ratio.

Recently I've been going out more with an intent to socialize with friends than to mack. Therefore, the venue selection has been a lot worse. Every weekend we'll end up somewhere with a 80:20 ratio. Can't remember the last time I was in a bar that was 50:50. Usually I see anywhere from 60:40 to 85:15 ratios. Just those numbers alone are a cockblock. That frumpy 6 that you otherwise wouldn't give a second look, very well might shoot you down in sub 5sec.

The best venues for good ratios are house parties and random sponsored events. This is largely social circle dependent. I went to a Ted Talk in Echo Park few months back and I reckon it was a 60:40 f:m ratio with modelesque girls left, right, and center. Weird random events like this and art gallery openings are the few places I've seen that compensate for the average bar/club shitty ratios.

Quote: (10-18-2016 03:58 AM)azulsombra Wrote:  

You think LA has decent nightgame or even better than the Northeast when bartenders are saying last call at 1:30am and flicking on the lights at 1:45? Hahaha

Single night lay in LA is really only possible when the stars align and logistics actually make sense. Let's say you live and game in some of the most expensive parts of the city Weho and Santa Monica you met a hot 21 year old blonde or Asian or whatever ethnicity you prefer. Vibe is good, you shared a few drinks and got through the bitch shield and then madeout.

Lights come on in the club and you invite her to your place whether a hotel or apartment just 4 blocks away, should be solid right? Well, she lives in Orange County and rode to the club with her 3 hot girlfriends. One of the girls is complaining that she is hungry, one of the girls just got an invite on social media to a party in the Hollywood hills tonight by some reality tv star, and the sober DD is a complete bitch and pulling the girl you just made out with into the car.

But you number closed her right? So you can just roll down to OC next weekend and close down there, no? Well in the time between when you last saw her she now has an additional 180 Tinder matches and ended up banging one, a college frat brother at UC Irvine or an aspiring model/rapper/actor on Wednesday night. Welcome to LA nightlife!

This is a startling accurate depiction of my last 12 months. The Hollywood Hills after parties with some D-class celeb hits me in the feels. If you don't live in close proximity to where you're going out, literally walking distance is preferable, then you're pretty fucked. Add the risk of drunk driving and surge charging ubers/lyfts and it's a money drain too.

For the sake of staying positive, LA really is great training grounds. The hurdles you have to go through to pull ONS/deal with flakes are considerably worse than the majority of cities I've visited.
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What's With The Flakiness of People In LA?

Quote: (10-18-2016 12:34 AM)XPQ22 Wrote:  

Also keep in mind that LA has one of the worst m/f ratios in the country. Every American city is a sausagefest by any metric you care to use in the 20-39 demographic, but LA is particularly bad.

Completely false. Someone who hasn't been on the ground there shouldn't make that kind of generalization. Any kind of broad statistical analysis fails to cover for anything resembling the active party crowd in any city(weekend warriors also excluded).

Anyways.


You can find proper Male/Female ratios in the places worth going too. And again that's completely dependent on the night of the week, who's going, general mood of the girls in the city, and what after party is happening as soon as you're forced out at the dumbest last call in a major city in the States. LA top shelf(by top shelf general average of the best talent in the city) can make your jaw hit the floor. Problem is attitudes and stiff competition not so much a lack of hot girls. If anything it's an arms race for girls to outdo those around them especially in the city of failed actresses.

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#30

What's With The Flakiness of People In LA?

Quote: (10-18-2016 03:58 AM)azulsombra Wrote:  

Quote: (10-18-2016 12:34 AM)XPQ22 Wrote:  

Also keep in mind that LA has one of the worst m/f ratios in the country. Every American city is a sausagefest by any metric you care to use in the 20-39 demographic, but LA is particularly bad.

http://jonathansoma.com/singles/#2/5/2/0

75 unmatched men per 1000 women - it's nearly as bad as tech-nerd filled Seattle or San Francisco. San Diego is worse at 125.

By comparison, NYC destroys it at 35. Even Chicago, Boston and Providence, RI are theoretical game paradises at around 40-50.

Boston's m/f spread in the 20-39 demo is only 28 unmatched men per 1000 women, and most clubs I go to never look any better than 50-50 on the best of nights. The average LA or San Francisco night spot that doesn't cater to ballers must look like gay bars. I can completely understand how guys in that environment who are above average in looks, financially secure with good game like I'm sure Balkan above is are having multiple 6es a week flake on them who are 26, barely employed, broke as fuck and don't even have a car.

Though in a sense it hardly matters because night game is pretty much dead as a doornail in the feminist-heavy Northeast. In LA SNLs with club girls is likely still actually a possibility. Baltimore and Washington, DC also look great on paper if you only look at the ratios, but we know they suck.

You think LA has decent nightgame or even better than the Northeast when bartenders are saying last call at 1:30am and flicking on the lights at 1:45? Hahaha

Single night lay in LA is really only possible when the stars align and logistics actually make sense. Let's say you live and game in some of the most expensive parts of the city Weho and Santa Monica you met a hot 21 year old blonde or Asian or whatever ethnicity you prefer. Vibe is good, you shared a few drinks and got through the bitch shield and then madeout.

Lights come on in the club and you invite her to your place whether a hotel or apartment just 4 blocks away, should be solid right? Well, she lives in Orange County and rode to the club with her 3 hot girlfriends. One of the girls is complaining that she is hungry, one of the girls just got an invite on social media to a party in the Hollywood hills tonight by some reality tv star, and the sober DD is a complete bitch and pulling the girl you just made out with into the car.

But you number closed her right? So you can just roll down to OC next weekend and close down there, no? Well in the time between when you last saw her she now has an additional 180 Tinder matches and ended up banging one, a college frat brother at UC Irvine or an aspiring model/rapper/actor on Wednesday night. Welcome to LA nightlife!

LA has the nightlife of the after party. If you're not getting invited to a decent after party at someone's place or to a party for the whole entire night you're doing it completely wrong. Nightclubs are all jump offs for another party after a round of bottle service(that I'll never pay for) and bars are for drinking alone/meetings or a jump off as well.


The only time I've ever gotten laid in L.A. period was due to being invited to X or Y party due to some old friends that moved out there a few years back. Social circle is king.

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All in all it may have looked like I was shitting on L.A. earlier(which I was for different reasons), but you guys are dogging one of the best cities to raise hell in the States. It has a godly party scene if you've cracked the nut, and it was tailor made for a hungry young guy with more energy than he knows what to do with to become successful.

The problem with all that is that you'll be surrounded by snakes waiting for you to fail and slowly blackening your soul as you fall into that tar pit. It's one of those places that slowly eats away at you which is why I didn't want to stay even if I could(but my friends who adapted have stayed).

I recommend it as a city to visit if you have really good friends that are well connected on the ground to have a good time with. Not to mention the Orange County RVF crowd nearby is fucking fantastic.

Where's the RVF attitude of "I CAN DO THIS!"? This is a city that has hype. Not an old, aging, and political city like Washington D.C. or Boston. Every man, woman, and child has been fed that California is the golden, promised land and so people flock to South Cal the most famous part of it.

That means there's a lot of fucking potential. Stop ragging and get to work. Two forum members[possibly 3](who I won't mention but can identify themselves) are already fucking golden in that area as it is. Meaning I'm not delusional and my group of friends aren't THAT exceptional. Go out and do it.

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Quote: (10-18-2016 12:34 AM)XPQ22 Wrote:  

Also keep in mind that LA has one of the worst m/f ratios in the country. Every American city is a sausagefest by any metric you care to use in the 20-39 demographic, but LA is particularly bad.

http://jonathansoma.com/singles/#2/5/2/0

75 unmatched men per 1000 women - it's nearly as bad as tech-nerd filled Seattle or San Francisco. San Diego is worse at 125.

By comparison, NYC destroys it at 35. Even Chicago, Boston and Providence, RI are theoretical game paradises at around 40-50.

Boston's m/f spread in the 20-39 demo is only 28 unmatched men per 1000 women, and most clubs I go to never look any better than 50-50 on the best of nights. The average LA or San Francisco night spot that doesn't cater to ballers must look like gay bars. I can completely understand how guys in that environment who are above average in looks, financially secure with good game like I'm sure Balkan above is are having multiple 6es a week flake on them who are 26, barely employed, broke as fuck and don't even have a car.

Though in a sense it hardly matters because night game is pretty much dead as a doornail in the feminist-heavy Northeast. In LA SNLs with club girls is likely still actually a possibility. Baltimore and Washington, DC also look great on paper if you only look at the ratios, but we know they suck.

As a statistical guy, I dig this post. [Image: smile.gif]

That would be cool if the lad could add in Canadian cities.
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Quote: (10-18-2016 03:58 AM)azulsombra Wrote:  

Quote: (10-18-2016 12:34 AM)XPQ22 Wrote:  

Also keep in mind that LA has one of the worst m/f ratios in the country. Every American city is a sausagefest by any metric you care to use in the 20-39 demographic, but LA is particularly bad.

http://jonathansoma.com/singles/#2/5/2/0

75 unmatched men per 1000 women - it's nearly as bad as tech-nerd filled Seattle or San Francisco. San Diego is worse at 125.

By comparison, NYC destroys it at 35. Even Chicago, Boston and Providence, RI are theoretical game paradises at around 40-50.

Boston's m/f spread in the 20-39 demo is only 28 unmatched men per 1000 women, and most clubs I go to never look any better than 50-50 on the best of nights. The average LA or San Francisco night spot that doesn't cater to ballers must look like gay bars. I can completely understand how guys in that environment who are above average in looks, financially secure with good game like I'm sure Balkan above is are having multiple 6es a week flake on them who are 26, barely employed, broke as fuck and don't even have a car.

Though in a sense it hardly matters because night game is pretty much dead as a doornail in the feminist-heavy Northeast. In LA SNLs with club girls is likely still actually a possibility. Baltimore and Washington, DC also look great on paper if you only look at the ratios, but we know they suck.

You think LA has decent nightgame or even better than the Northeast when bartenders are saying last call at 1:30am and flicking on the lights at 1:45? Hahaha

Single night lay in LA is really only possible when the stars align and logistics actually make sense. Let's say you live and game in some of the most expensive parts of the city Weho and Santa Monica you met a hot 21 year old blonde or Asian or whatever ethnicity you prefer. Vibe is good, you shared a few drinks and got through the bitch shield and then madeout.

Lights come on in the club and you invite her to your place whether a hotel or apartment just 4 blocks away, should be solid right? Well, she lives in Orange County and rode to the club with her 3 hot girlfriends. One of the girls is complaining that she is hungry, one of the girls just got an invite on social media to a party in the Hollywood hills tonight by some reality tv star, and the sober DD is a complete bitch and pulling the girl you just made out with into the car.

But you number closed her right? So you can just roll down to OC next weekend and close down there, no? Well in the time between when you last saw her she now has an additional 180 Tinder matches and ended up banging one, a college frat brother at UC Irvine or an aspiring model/rapper/actor on Wednesday night. Welcome to LA nightlife!

Interesting post.

But fuck Tinder and online dating. I rarely swear but I'm busting out the big guns here. Online dating is for chodes who are too scared to remove their bitch-made faces out of their phone and/or computer screen.
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Quote: (10-18-2016 05:33 AM)XPQ22 Wrote:  

Quote: (10-18-2016 03:58 AM)azulsombra Wrote:  

Let's say you live and game in some of the most expensive parts of the city Weho and Santa Monica you met a hot 21 year old blonde or Asian or whatever ethnicity you prefer.

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Well in the time between when you last saw her she now has an additional 180 Tinder matches and ended up banging one, a college frat brother at UC Irvine or an aspiring model/rapper/actor on Wednesday night. Welcome to LA nightlife!

Yep, that's the problem. If I were forced to attempt game in LA, I'd likely use a similar strategy to the one I use in Boston - I try to avoid the downtown/trendy areas entirely.

Boston's downtown is compact, but the metro area is large; not as large as LA certainly, but still very spread out. The most straightforward bangs I had over the past year were with girls who lived in the 'burbs significantly outside the city center. Salem, about 25 miles north. Worcester, to the west. Plymouth and Providence, to the south.

When I first started I was really miffed that I didn't have logistics in the city. At this point, I don't care as much, cuz plenty of these suburban girls are hot and gaming them is way easier than running up against the bitch shields of the city girls who have offers pouring in from all sides.

Even the 5's around here have license to be flakey cunts, if they can afford to sublet a dingy third story one bedroom down the road from Harvard U. for $1700 a month.

Trying to run up against ballers in OC or Santa Monica if you're not one sounds like a false economy. Maybe the quality is so fantastically better than what you could find further out that it's worth grinding on, though, I haven't been there in a long time so I can't say for certain.

LA was made for the car.

Well said, playa.
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Quote: (10-18-2016 11:52 AM)XPQ22 Wrote:  

Quote: (10-18-2016 09:59 AM)MdWanderer Wrote:  

Portland is pretty bad too from what I heard, and I met a guy who was from the East Coast originally but now lives in San Francisco complaining about the same thing there.

It's everywhere to some degree, but likely is better in some places and worse than others.

In Boston where I'm at it does happen, but it's probably more rare than other places. Random phone #'s taken from young girls during night game were definitely the flakiest, so far I've never been able to close with a girl I just took a number from - they'd always flake eventually.

Online has been better in that regard. I did around 50 meets in the past 14 months or so, and just about every girl who I managed to grind a number out of and confirm a time with showed up. Doesn't mean I always got the bang or that they'd ever turn up again, not by a long shot, but at least I could be pretty much guaranteed that they'd be on time for the first night.

My main demographic is older, because I am - around 26 to 35. Older girls in the Northeast seem to be less flakey than average.

On a few occasions I managed to turn a flake around and get her out. And I realized that in just about all of those occasions a flakey 29 year old girl simply was never even worth my effort flipping to start with.

I recall one over the summer who flaked on me several times, and eventually just invited me direct to her place. That had never happened to me before so I thought that was cool, but when I got there I realized a) she wasn't anything special at all, I'd had much better before from girls who didn't flake, and b) she was just kind of a loser who didn't have her shit together and probably just wanted to see what she what I was worth., I drank her booze, she asked me to fix her computer, resisted any escalation, and I bounced before an hour was up.

I'm guessing just about any guy here would be a significant upgrade for a wall-pusher. IMO older women who flake like they're 22 are just loser females, simple as that.

I'll just add that unfortunately, I know from running a small tech consulting/repair business that men can be just as flakey. I learned quickly that while I'd like to do "family and friends" discounts and just make verbal agreements with people, I simply can't if I want to make any money. If someone wants work done, everyone signs off on the same written contract and gets charged equivalent rates. Verbal isn't worth shit anymore, guys will pitch an idea at you or want work done and you think they've agreed to it, but unless you've got it in writing they'll suddenly call you up after you've put two weeks of work in and casually mention that their wife needs some money for the kid's school clothes, or it's been a really tough month with the bills and they've got to cancel on you, or they're going to try to fix their cocktail arcade machine themselves or have found someone they think can do it cheaper, as sure as anything.

Kudos for the authenticity here.

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Quote: (10-18-2016 07:19 PM)Balkan Wrote:  

Quote: (10-18-2016 12:34 AM)XPQ22 Wrote:  

Also keep in mind that LA has one of the worst m/f ratios in the country. Every American city is a sausagefest by any metric you care to use in the 20-39 demographic, but LA is particularly bad.

http://jonathansoma.com/singles/#2/5/2/0

75 unmatched men per 1000 women - it's nearly as bad as tech-nerd filled Seattle or San Francisco. San Diego is worse at 125.

By comparison, NYC destroys it at 35. Even Chicago, Boston and Providence, RI are theoretical game paradises at around 40-50.

Boston's m/f spread in the 20-39 demo is only 28 unmatched men per 1000 women, and most clubs I go to never look any better than 50-50 on the best of nights. The average LA or San Francisco night spot that doesn't cater to ballers must look like gay bars. I can completely understand how guys in that environment who are above average in looks, financially secure with good game like I'm sure Balkan above is are having multiple 6es a week flake on them who are 26, barely employed, broke as fuck and don't even have a car.

Though in a sense it hardly matters because night game is pretty much dead as a doornail in the feminist-heavy Northeast. In LA SNLs with club girls is likely still actually a possibility. Baltimore and Washington, DC also look great on paper if you only look at the ratios, but we know they suck.

Yeah I'm a pretty good looking, in shape guy and I still get blownout quite frequently. It sucks to say this but a large amount of the girls I've dated, although cute, are complete losers. It's fun comparing my results here vs when I travel abroad. But it should be said I still am a game beginner, my approaches aren't where they need to be and I over-rely on low ROI avenues of nightgame/online.

Nice analysis on the ratios. That point often gets ignored but I doubt this forum would even exist if the anglosphere had a 110:100 f:m ratio.

Recently I've been going out more with an intent to socialize with friends than to mack. Therefore, the venue selection has been a lot worse. Every weekend we'll end up somewhere with a 80:20 ratio. Can't remember the last time I was in a bar that was 50:50. Usually I see anywhere from 60:40 to 85:15 ratios. Just those numbers alone are a cockblock. That frumpy 6 that you otherwise wouldn't give a second look, very well might shoot you down in sub 5sec.

The best venues for good ratios are house parties and random sponsored events. This is largely social circle dependent. I went to a Ted Talk in Echo Park few months back and I reckon it was a 60:40 f:m ratio with modelesque girls left, right, and center. Weird random events like this and art gallery openings are the few places I've seen that compensate for the average bar/club shitty ratios.

Quote: (10-18-2016 03:58 AM)azulsombra Wrote:  

You think LA has decent nightgame or even better than the Northeast when bartenders are saying last call at 1:30am and flicking on the lights at 1:45? Hahaha

Single night lay in LA is really only possible when the stars align and logistics actually make sense. Let's say you live and game in some of the most expensive parts of the city Weho and Santa Monica you met a hot 21 year old blonde or Asian or whatever ethnicity you prefer. Vibe is good, you shared a few drinks and got through the bitch shield and then madeout.

Lights come on in the club and you invite her to your place whether a hotel or apartment just 4 blocks away, should be solid right? Well, she lives in Orange County and rode to the club with her 3 hot girlfriends. One of the girls is complaining that she is hungry, one of the girls just got an invite on social media to a party in the Hollywood hills tonight by some reality tv star, and the sober DD is a complete bitch and pulling the girl you just made out with into the car.

But you number closed her right? So you can just roll down to OC next weekend and close down there, no? Well in the time between when you last saw her she now has an additional 180 Tinder matches and ended up banging one, a college frat brother at UC Irvine or an aspiring model/rapper/actor on Wednesday night. Welcome to LA nightlife!

This is a startling accurate depiction of my last 12 months. The Hollywood Hills after parties with some D-class celeb hits me in the feels. If you don't live in close proximity to where you're going out, literally walking distance is preferable, then you're pretty fucked. Add the risk of drunk driving and surge charging ubers/lyfts and it's a money drain too.

For the sake of staying positive, LA really is great training grounds. The hurdles you have to go through to pull ONS/deal with flakes are considerably worse than the majority of cities I've visited.

I'm going to start checking out the lounges in Studio City. Tonight. It looks like 3 are within walking distance.
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Quote: (10-18-2016 08:12 PM)Comte De St. Germain Wrote:  

Quote: (10-18-2016 03:58 AM)azulsombra Wrote:  

Quote: (10-18-2016 12:34 AM)XPQ22 Wrote:  

Also keep in mind that LA has one of the worst m/f ratios in the country. Every American city is a sausagefest by any metric you care to use in the 20-39 demographic, but LA is particularly bad.

http://jonathansoma.com/singles/#2/5/2/0

75 unmatched men per 1000 women - it's nearly as bad as tech-nerd filled Seattle or San Francisco. San Diego is worse at 125.

By comparison, NYC destroys it at 35. Even Chicago, Boston and Providence, RI are theoretical game paradises at around 40-50.

Boston's m/f spread in the 20-39 demo is only 28 unmatched men per 1000 women, and most clubs I go to never look any better than 50-50 on the best of nights. The average LA or San Francisco night spot that doesn't cater to ballers must look like gay bars. I can completely understand how guys in that environment who are above average in looks, financially secure with good game like I'm sure Balkan above is are having multiple 6es a week flake on them who are 26, barely employed, broke as fuck and don't even have a car.

Though in a sense it hardly matters because night game is pretty much dead as a doornail in the feminist-heavy Northeast. In LA SNLs with club girls is likely still actually a possibility. Baltimore and Washington, DC also look great on paper if you only look at the ratios, but we know they suck.

You think LA has decent nightgame or even better than the Northeast when bartenders are saying last call at 1:30am and flicking on the lights at 1:45? Hahaha

Single night lay in LA is really only possible when the stars align and logistics actually make sense. Let's say you live and game in some of the most expensive parts of the city Weho and Santa Monica you met a hot 21 year old blonde or Asian or whatever ethnicity you prefer. Vibe is good, you shared a few drinks and got through the bitch shield and then madeout.

Lights come on in the club and you invite her to your place whether a hotel or apartment just 4 blocks away, should be solid right? Well, she lives in Orange County and rode to the club with her 3 hot girlfriends. One of the girls is complaining that she is hungry, one of the girls just got an invite on social media to a party in the Hollywood hills tonight by some reality tv star, and the sober DD is a complete bitch and pulling the girl you just made out with into the car.

But you number closed her right? So you can just roll down to OC next weekend and close down there, no? Well in the time between when you last saw her she now has an additional 180 Tinder matches and ended up banging one, a college frat brother at UC Irvine or an aspiring model/rapper/actor on Wednesday night. Welcome to LA nightlife!

LA has the nightlife of the after party. If you're not getting invited to a decent after party at someone's place or to a party for the whole entire night you're doing it completely wrong. Nightclubs are all jump offs for another party after a round of bottle service(that I'll never pay for) and bars are for drinking alone/meetings or a jump off as well.


The only time I've ever gotten laid in L.A. period was due to being invited to X or Y party due to some old friends that moved out there a few years back. Social circle is king.

Well, how do you get invited to after parties if you don't know anyone and the people who you've attempted to befriend...ignore you?
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#38

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Quote: (10-18-2016 08:25 PM)Comte De St. Germain Wrote:  

All in all it may have looked like I was shitting on L.A. earlier(which I was for different reasons), but you guys are dogging one of the best cities to raise hell in the States. It has a godly party scene if you've cracked the nut, and it was tailor made for a hungry young guy with more energy than he knows what to do with to become successful.

The problem with all that is that you'll be surrounded by snakes waiting for you to fail and slowly blackening your soul as you fall into that tar pit. It's one of those places that slowly eats away at you which is why I didn't want to stay even if I could(but my friends who adapted have stayed).

I recommend it as a city to visit if you have really good friends that are well connected on the ground to have a good time with. Not to mention the Orange County RVF crowd nearby is fucking fantastic.

Where's the RVF attitude of "I CAN DO THIS!"? This is a city that has hype. Not an old, aging, and political city like Washington D.C. or Boston. Every man, woman, and child has been fed that California is the golden, promised land and so people flock to South Cal the most famous part of it.

That means there's a lot of fucking potential. Stop ragging and get to work. Two forum members[possibly 3](who I won't mention but can identify themselves) are already fucking golden in that area as it is. Meaning I'm not delusional and my group of friends aren't THAT exceptional. Go out and do it.

I'll do me best, partner! Yeah, I'm peeved, but I do have a "never say die" attitude. I've gone out and done at least 1 approach 12 consecutive days and I'm not stopping now. Your boi NbN is taking the West by storm. [Image: smile.gif]
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#39

What's With The Flakiness of People In LA?

Quote: (10-18-2016 08:28 PM)Naughty By Nature Wrote:  

Quote: (10-18-2016 03:58 AM)azulsombra Wrote:  

Quote: (10-18-2016 12:34 AM)XPQ22 Wrote:  

Also keep in mind that LA has one of the worst m/f ratios in the country. Every American city is a sausagefest by any metric you care to use in the 20-39 demographic, but LA is particularly bad.

http://jonathansoma.com/singles/#2/5/2/0

75 unmatched men per 1000 women - it's nearly as bad as tech-nerd filled Seattle or San Francisco. San Diego is worse at 125.

By comparison, NYC destroys it at 35. Even Chicago, Boston and Providence, RI are theoretical game paradises at around 40-50.

Boston's m/f spread in the 20-39 demo is only 28 unmatched men per 1000 women, and most clubs I go to never look any better than 50-50 on the best of nights. The average LA or San Francisco night spot that doesn't cater to ballers must look like gay bars. I can completely understand how guys in that environment who are above average in looks, financially secure with good game like I'm sure Balkan above is are having multiple 6es a week flake on them who are 26, barely employed, broke as fuck and don't even have a car.

Though in a sense it hardly matters because night game is pretty much dead as a doornail in the feminist-heavy Northeast. In LA SNLs with club girls is likely still actually a possibility. Baltimore and Washington, DC also look great on paper if you only look at the ratios, but we know they suck.

You think LA has decent nightgame or even better than the Northeast when bartenders are saying last call at 1:30am and flicking on the lights at 1:45? Hahaha

Single night lay in LA is really only possible when the stars align and logistics actually make sense. Let's say you live and game in some of the most expensive parts of the city Weho and Santa Monica you met a hot 21 year old blonde or Asian or whatever ethnicity you prefer. Vibe is good, you shared a few drinks and got through the bitch shield and then madeout.

Lights come on in the club and you invite her to your place whether a hotel or apartment just 4 blocks away, should be solid right? Well, she lives in Orange County and rode to the club with her 3 hot girlfriends. One of the girls is complaining that she is hungry, one of the girls just got an invite on social media to a party in the Hollywood hills tonight by some reality tv star, and the sober DD is a complete bitch and pulling the girl you just made out with into the car.

But you number closed her right? So you can just roll down to OC next weekend and close down there, no? Well in the time between when you last saw her she now has an additional 180 Tinder matches and ended up banging one, a college frat brother at UC Irvine or an aspiring model/rapper/actor on Wednesday night. Welcome to LA nightlife!

Interesting post.

But fuck Tinder and online dating. I rarely swear but I'm busting out the big guns here. Online dating is for chodes who are too scared to remove their bitch-made faces out of their phone and/or computer screen.

I've been telling people for years that LA is a daygame city and after that online game. You can absolutely survive and get a healthy number of bangs just from daygame. Online game is a whole other animal. I haven't tried tinder in years. It worked for a bit at first, but I think ratios in LA are hellish.

I don't think I have met that many guys that actually get laid from night game, it can be done surely but it's a whole other animal. Check the Los Angeles thread.

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I should say, for years, okcupid was great. I haven't got any bangs from it for over a year, I just added pof this evening, will say how it goes. I don't like it makes you state what sort of dating you are looking for(relationship, hook up, etc), a lot of these hoes who say they are not looking for a hook up and want a serious relationship only, will totally bang on the first date and then ghost
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#40

What's With The Flakiness of People In LA?

Quote: (10-18-2016 08:37 PM)Naughty By Nature Wrote:  

Well, how do you get invited to after parties if you don't know anyone and the people who you've attempted to befriend...ignore you?

Bring something of value. Get involved with some kind of scene. Work on yourself until they can't ignore you(speaking, dressing, lifting[though I'm sorely lacking here], etc.). Hence why I said "not THAT exceptional". You still have to be exceptional in some way. In L.A. a bit more exceptional than normal.

Just showing up is entry level. Anyone can just show up. At this point it's actually kind of hard to think about how I meet new people now. It's almost gotten natural to me where I don't even think about it.

But if I had to boil it down to some kind of action. It would be going to certain kinds of events and running into people I've already talked too before. That's how I solidify interactions. I don't even exchange numbers anymore if I've met someone once or twice anymore like I used too. I just tend to run into the kind of people I want to run into if I go out enough. I would look at it like that.

It's true in the South and it's doubly true out West. A number means nothing(up North you'll just get shit for even asking the number of a person you barely know, out West they'll take it on the off chance you're some kind of famous or of some worth, and down South out of politeness but they'll slowly ghost you or are not free to hang ever[code action for taking the number out of politeness]), but if you run into people you like and that like you over and over you'll become close or on rare occasion friends. I've just gotten to the point that my main value comes just from knowing people going in with that mentality though that's the hard way to do it. I picked up music production after I was already knee deep in drugs and connections.

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#41

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Quote: (10-18-2016 08:46 PM)eradicator Wrote:  

Quote: (10-18-2016 08:28 PM)Naughty By Nature Wrote:  

Quote: (10-18-2016 03:58 AM)azulsombra Wrote:  

Quote: (10-18-2016 12:34 AM)XPQ22 Wrote:  

Also keep in mind that LA has one of the worst m/f ratios in the country. Every American city is a sausagefest by any metric you care to use in the 20-39 demographic, but LA is particularly bad.

http://jonathansoma.com/singles/#2/5/2/0

75 unmatched men per 1000 women - it's nearly as bad as tech-nerd filled Seattle or San Francisco. San Diego is worse at 125.

By comparison, NYC destroys it at 35. Even Chicago, Boston and Providence, RI are theoretical game paradises at around 40-50.

Boston's m/f spread in the 20-39 demo is only 28 unmatched men per 1000 women, and most clubs I go to never look any better than 50-50 on the best of nights. The average LA or San Francisco night spot that doesn't cater to ballers must look like gay bars. I can completely understand how guys in that environment who are above average in looks, financially secure with good game like I'm sure Balkan above is are having multiple 6es a week flake on them who are 26, barely employed, broke as fuck and don't even have a car.

Though in a sense it hardly matters because night game is pretty much dead as a doornail in the feminist-heavy Northeast. In LA SNLs with club girls is likely still actually a possibility. Baltimore and Washington, DC also look great on paper if you only look at the ratios, but we know they suck.

You think LA has decent nightgame or even better than the Northeast when bartenders are saying last call at 1:30am and flicking on the lights at 1:45? Hahaha

Single night lay in LA is really only possible when the stars align and logistics actually make sense. Let's say you live and game in some of the most expensive parts of the city Weho and Santa Monica you met a hot 21 year old blonde or Asian or whatever ethnicity you prefer. Vibe is good, you shared a few drinks and got through the bitch shield and then madeout.

Lights come on in the club and you invite her to your place whether a hotel or apartment just 4 blocks away, should be solid right? Well, she lives in Orange County and rode to the club with her 3 hot girlfriends. One of the girls is complaining that she is hungry, one of the girls just got an invite on social media to a party in the Hollywood hills tonight by some reality tv star, and the sober DD is a complete bitch and pulling the girl you just made out with into the car.

But you number closed her right? So you can just roll down to OC next weekend and close down there, no? Well in the time between when you last saw her she now has an additional 180 Tinder matches and ended up banging one, a college frat brother at UC Irvine or an aspiring model/rapper/actor on Wednesday night. Welcome to LA nightlife!

Interesting post.

But fuck Tinder and online dating. I rarely swear but I'm busting out the big guns here. Online dating is for chodes who are too scared to remove their bitch-made faces out of their phone and/or computer screen.

I've been telling people for years that LA is a daygame city and after that online game. You can absolutely survive and get a healthy number of bangs just from daygame. Online game is a whole other animal. I haven't tried tinder in years. It worked for a bit at first, but I think ratios in LA are hellish.

I don't think I have met that many guys that actually get laid from night game, it can be done surely but it's a whole other animal. Check the Los Angeles thread.

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I should say, for years, okcupid was great. I haven't got any bangs from it for over a year, I just added pof this evening, will say how it goes. I don't like it makes you state what sort of dating you are looking for(relationship, hook up, etc), a lot of these hoes who say they are not looking for a hook up and want a serious relationship only, will totally bang on the first date and then ghost

Interesting.

What day game spots would you recommend? Hollywood? Santa Monica? The Grove? How about in the valley?

I just went to Page 71 Lounge and there were 3 people in there. All dudes, lol. Pathetic. Went to some other bar. 4 women and 2 had grotesque plastic surgery.
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#42

What's With The Flakiness of People In LA?

Quote: (10-18-2016 09:08 PM)Comte De St. Germain Wrote:  

Quote: (10-18-2016 08:37 PM)Naughty By Nature Wrote:  

Well, how do you get invited to after parties if you don't know anyone and the people who you've attempted to befriend...ignore you?

Bring something of value. Get involved with some kind of scene. Work on yourself until they can't ignore you(speaking, dressing, lifting[though I'm sorely lacking here], etc.). Hence why I said "not THAT exceptional". You still have to be exceptional in some way. In L.A. a bit more exceptional than normal.

Just showing up is entry level. Anyone can just show up. At this point it's actually kind of hard to think about how I meet new people now. It's almost gotten natural to me where I don't even think about it.

But if I had to boil it down to some kind of action. It would be going to certain kinds of events and running into people I've already talked too before. That's how I solidify interactions. I don't even exchange numbers anymore if I've met someone once or twice anymore like I used too. I just tend to run into the kind of people I want to run into if I go out enough. I would look at it like that.

It's true in the South and it's doubly true out West. A number means nothing(up North you'll just get shit for even asking the number of a person you barely know, out West they'll take it on the off chance you're some kind of famous or of some worth, and down South out of politeness but they'll slowly ghost you or are not free to hang ever[code action for taking the number out of politeness]), but if you run into people you like and that like you over and over you'll become close or on rare occasion friends. I've just gotten to the point that my main value comes just from knowing people going in with that mentality though that's the hard way to do it. I picked up music production after I was already knee deep in drugs and connections.

Interesting. I'm quite eloquent and blunt. Hopefully those traits will pay off. Not into the phony follower mentality out here where everyone drinks and judges people by how much money they make.

You're right. I've gotta find events somehow. Maybe meetup.com would help. Drugs? That's naughty, bro. Naughtier than my handle. [Image: wink.gif]
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#43

What's With The Flakiness of People In LA?

Don't get the hate on LA when there is worse major cities out there.

NYC/Chicago I got love for.

Let's step back a minute.

How many of the dudes on this thread have lived in SoCal for decades, or have been in and out of LA ? (I live near OC)

Doubt many.

I've been here all my life, while yes I'm not a big fan of DTLA, the surrounding areas are pretty chill - I usually go for the underground rock/punk scene.

Let's be real - flaking is rampant in general, its definitely a west coast thing.

I'll be honest, I flake on friends and girls for something better or I'm over it. WE'RE ALL GUILTY OF THIS SHIT.

LA is a star chasing city, everyone's looking for the next best thing or chance.

Comte is right - it's all about social circle and cliquing up.

Hot girls, blow, and after party parties are king. I've seen this countless times.

Fortunately I have a few friends still in LA, especially Venice side, and I've witnessed this first hand, but to be honest it's not just in LA it's all over SoCal.


You don't gotta be a phony follower, but having friends slotted in a group helps out alot, getting some dudes number to meet up next time it a tad bit gay unless you guys talk business.

I'll chat people up at events and get to know my friends friends, maybe over a drink, maybe over a few lines, I will tell you that drugs absolutely help and elevate you in social circle.
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#44

What's With The Flakiness of People In LA?

Pretty sure everyone here is over thinking it.

Options = flakiness

Hot girls have options

Socal has lots of hot girls.

Basic math.

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#45

What's With The Flakiness of People In LA?

IMO LA girls are miles ahead of SF/Bay Area girls in terms of looks, dress, even personality and flake levels. Just got back from an LA trip and love the chicks over there. The Bay Area is just an absolute shit fest women-wise and it cannot be said enough. I think a lot of you guys just don't know what you have.

When it's all said and done I'd rather be in LA than SF for anything, not just women. You guys are spoiled lol.
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#46

What's With The Flakiness of People In LA?

I've been in LA three years. I've wanted to leave but my job is just too good here to pass off.

There are a lot of hot girls over here. They sure as hell have a lot of thirsty guys hitting them up. Money and status goes very far here for sure. Even broke people are driving Audi's and BMW's here trying to pretend while living with 4 other roommates.

That said- there is a lot of pussy around. And its pretty accessible. West LA has a ton of chicks in their 20's-30's and many are single. Its easy as a joke to meet single women in their late 20's and early 30's (though my demographic is more 22-27). I've gotten a lot of bangs by day gaming and coed sports. Tinder and app dating is HARD. When I travel to the east coast- I prob match with 1 out of every 5 girls on tinder. In DC it was like 1 out of every 3. In LA, its like 1 out of 15 or even 20. Getting numbers here are useless because setting up a date takes weeks. I matched with one chick on tinder and it took 3 months of rescheduling for a first date that eventually led to a bang. girls are seeing multiple guys at the same time but that plays in your favor because they don't want commitment.

There are a lot of girls. Many are open minded and are just down. There are a shit ton that are entitled though but you weed them out. All in all- its prob easier to bang a hot blonde in texas or the midwest but LA teaches you to game in the deep end and when you travel out of this city- you are straight up hustler.

What sucks about LA is the flakiness of the dudes. This is one of the hardest cities to make friends (see my other thread). Many guys here are fake as shit. Night game is fun when you go out with a good crew of guys but here its hard to find quality male friends. Its also VERY tough to break into social circles here. Many are closed off.

I think all the LA people on RVF should grab a drink and meet. Most of us are hardworking, and in the game of bettering ourselves and seeking success.

Nowhere except maybe NYC will you mind as many hot girls as LA though. Weather is amazing.
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#47

What's With The Flakiness of People In LA?

Quote: (10-19-2016 12:44 AM)Naughty By Nature Wrote:  

Quote: (10-18-2016 08:46 PM)eradicator Wrote:  

Quote: (10-18-2016 08:28 PM)Naughty By Nature Wrote:  

Quote: (10-18-2016 03:58 AM)azulsombra Wrote:  

Quote: (10-18-2016 12:34 AM)XPQ22 Wrote:  

Also keep in mind that LA has one of the worst m/f ratios in the country. Every American city is a sausagefest by any metric you care to use in the 20-39 demographic, but LA is particularly bad.

http://jonathansoma.com/singles/#2/5/2/0

75 unmatched men per 1000 women - it's nearly as bad as tech-nerd filled Seattle or San Francisco. San Diego is worse at 125.

By comparison, NYC destroys it at 35. Even Chicago, Boston and Providence, RI are theoretical game paradises at around 40-50.

Boston's m/f spread in the 20-39 demo is only 28 unmatched men per 1000 women, and most clubs I go to never look any better than 50-50 on the best of nights. The average LA or San Francisco night spot that doesn't cater to ballers must look like gay bars. I can completely understand how guys in that environment who are above average in looks, financially secure with good game like I'm sure Balkan above is are having multiple 6es a week flake on them who are 26, barely employed, broke as fuck and don't even have a car.

Though in a sense it hardly matters because night game is pretty much dead as a doornail in the feminist-heavy Northeast. In LA SNLs with club girls is likely still actually a possibility. Baltimore and Washington, DC also look great on paper if you only look at the ratios, but we know they suck.

You think LA has decent nightgame or even better than the Northeast when bartenders are saying last call at 1:30am and flicking on the lights at 1:45? Hahaha

Single night lay in LA is really only possible when the stars align and logistics actually make sense. Let's say you live and game in some of the most expensive parts of the city Weho and Santa Monica you met a hot 21 year old blonde or Asian or whatever ethnicity you prefer. Vibe is good, you shared a few drinks and got through the bitch shield and then madeout.

Lights come on in the club and you invite her to your place whether a hotel or apartment just 4 blocks away, should be solid right? Well, she lives in Orange County and rode to the club with her 3 hot girlfriends. One of the girls is complaining that she is hungry, one of the girls just got an invite on social media to a party in the Hollywood hills tonight by some reality tv star, and the sober DD is a complete bitch and pulling the girl you just made out with into the car.

But you number closed her right? So you can just roll down to OC next weekend and close down there, no? Well in the time between when you last saw her she now has an additional 180 Tinder matches and ended up banging one, a college frat brother at UC Irvine or an aspiring model/rapper/actor on Wednesday night. Welcome to LA nightlife!

Interesting post.

But fuck Tinder and online dating. I rarely swear but I'm busting out the big guns here. Online dating is for chodes who are too scared to remove their bitch-made faces out of their phone and/or computer screen.

I've been telling people for years that LA is a daygame city and after that online game. You can absolutely survive and get a healthy number of bangs just from daygame. Online game is a whole other animal. I haven't tried tinder in years. It worked for a bit at first, but I think ratios in LA are hellish.

I don't think I have met that many guys that actually get laid from night game, it can be done surely but it's a whole other animal. Check the Los Angeles thread.

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I should say, for years, okcupid was great. I haven't got any bangs from it for over a year, I just added pof this evening, will say how it goes. I don't like it makes you state what sort of dating you are looking for(relationship, hook up, etc), a lot of these hoes who say they are not looking for a hook up and want a serious relationship only, will totally bang on the first date and then ghost

Interesting.

What day game spots would you recommend? Hollywood? Santa Monica? The Grove? How about in the valley?

I just went to Page 71 Lounge and there were 3 people in there. All dudes, lol. Pathetic. Went to some other bar. 4 women and 2 had grotesque plastic surgery.

The streets of Hollywood seem to be full of guys running bad game. Like catcalling and shit. I don't like the vibe of downtown hollywood(a lot of clubs and a lot of tourist areas, a lot of whores and druggies as well. And it is funny to see them all standing at the same intersection waiting for the light to change. Its sort of like disneyland if Minnie Mouse was in the alley with a needle in her arm.)

The Grove, yes great for day game.

Santa Monica(both third street promenade and the beach boardwalk areas), yes great for day game, especially in the summer, it's going to start getting too cold for that soon though.

I love Venice beach.

As for the Valley, and North Hollywood(I really like North Hollywood for a variety of reasons) but to be honest I am not out there enough.

If you are attracted to Korean girls, go to Koreatown and run day game at tea shops and the markets.

If you like Japanese girls, there is little Japan. If you like Russian girls, there are some Russian Food shops in WeHo(though they are pretty small) and even one in Encino.

Avoid Silver Lake, unless you really like the fashionably ugly hipster girls.

There are data sheets on almost all of these places already.

As for online game, I have not had a date from okcupid in over a year, I do check it once a week for new members. The ratios are about as bad as you would expect.

I have been on plenty of fish for about a week, here are my initial impressions: it is a total sausage fest. There are a LOT of hot women(hundreds) of women in their 20s in the 7+ range and all of them are getting roughly 50 to 75 messages per day, according to what they are writing on their profiles, "say something more than "hello" if you want to stand out because I get 60+ messages every day."

You can only send out 55 new messages per day, then you hit the cap for that 24 hour period.

So far, I have been on the site for one week, I am a fitness instructor, have photos from work that are pretty professional. I have 8 messages back after sending out 300. I don't know how many of the girls I messaged even check their account, that information isn't made available unless you upgrade your account and become a paying member. I think I have run across 2 profiles that only accept messages from premium members, I don't really see the benefit to becoming a paying member.

If you are using the phone app, you can send voice messages to the girls. You get 30 seconds to work on your ramble. Of the 8 that messaged back, one was just really impressed that I correctly guessed that she was from Brazil(Roosh writes about this sort of thing in Bang). I find that if a girl is ethnic, it doesn't hurt to take a guess and maybe be right and make her happy rather than sending a bland message. I don't know if any of the girls that messaged back will meet up or not.

The "meet me" (the tinder like program for pof) is not really that useful as far as swiping, I only got a handful of matches from it, but if I like their photo I just go straight to their profile and message them rather than waiting to see if they match back with me, in Los Angeles, they must have thousands of guys swiping right on them, they would have to swipe through thousands of times before getting to your swipe to swipe right or left. Just message them.

Your photos and profile had better be on point if you want to have any shot at all. I am writing all of these messages and keep asking myself if I would be better off going to my local whole foods to try to run day game instead of doing this. There are enough hot women online, that seem to be genuinely looking to date and meet someone, but you will have to be extremely persistent and keep messaging new members to eventually get some success.

The number of girls that are sick of getting pumped and dumped by players is staggering, but that is no shock. I read many profiles that "I don't hook up"(anymore) or "I am sick of guys who are disloyal" or whatever. Be ready for a huge amount of flakes, but that is part of living in LA, keep talking to more girls.

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What laq8ty said is all true: join a social sports league(kickball, softball, volleyball, whatever) and get some bangs from that. Though be careful, if you fuck like 3 of the girls on your team in the first week, they will probably start talking to each other and all just quit after a couple of weeks rather than keep coming.
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#48

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Quote: (10-19-2016 12:14 PM)kaotic Wrote:  

Don't get the hate on LA when there is worse major cities out there.

NYC/Chicago I got love for.

Let's step back a minute.

How many of the dudes on this thread have lived in SoCal for decades, or have been in and out of LA ? (I live near OC)

Doubt many.

I've been here all my life, while yes I'm not a big fan of DTLA, the surrounding areas are pretty chill - I usually go for the underground rock/punk scene.

Let's be real - flaking is rampant in general, its definitely a west coast thing.

I'll be honest, I flake on friends and girls for something better or I'm over it. WE'RE ALL GUILTY OF THIS SHIT.

LA is a star chasing city, everyone's looking for the next best thing or chance.

Comte is right - it's all about social circle and cliquing up.

Hot girls, blow, and after party parties are king. I've seen this countless times.

Fortunately I have a few friends still in LA, especially Venice side, and I've witnessed this first hand, but to be honest it's not just in LA it's all over SoCal.


You don't gotta be a phony follower, but having friends slotted in a group helps out alot, getting some dudes number to meet up next time it a tad bit gay unless you guys talk business.

I'll chat people up at events and get to know my friends friends, maybe over a drink, maybe over a few lines, I will tell you that drugs absolutely help and elevate you in social circle.

Thanks for the input, bud, but drugs are pathetic.

Never understood how people would be so desperate to fit in and be mindless followers that they would voluntarily destroy their health and body with hard drugs or cigarettes. It's slow suicide.
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#49

What's With The Flakiness of People In LA?

Quote: (10-21-2016 09:25 PM)laq8ty Wrote:  

I've been in LA three years. I've wanted to leave but my job is just too good here to pass off.

There are a lot of hot girls over here. They sure as hell have a lot of thirsty guys hitting them up. Money and status goes very far here for sure. Even broke people are driving Audi's and BMW's here trying to pretend while living with 4 other roommates.

That said- there is a lot of pussy around. And its pretty accessible. West LA has a ton of chicks in their 20's-30's and many are single. Its easy as a joke to meet single women in their late 20's and early 30's (though my demographic is more 22-27). I've gotten a lot of bangs by day gaming and coed sports. Tinder and app dating is HARD. When I travel to the east coast- I prob match with 1 out of every 5 girls on tinder. In DC it was like 1 out of every 3. In LA, its like 1 out of 15 or even 20. Getting numbers here are useless because setting up a date takes weeks. I matched with one chick on tinder and it took 3 months of rescheduling for a first date that eventually led to a bang. girls are seeing multiple guys at the same time but that plays in your favor because they don't want commitment.

There are a lot of girls. Many are open minded and are just down. There are a shit ton that are entitled though but you weed them out. All in all- its prob easier to bang a hot blonde in texas or the midwest but LA teaches you to game in the deep end and when you travel out of this city- you are straight up hustler.

What sucks about LA is the flakiness of the dudes. This is one of the hardest cities to make friends (see my other thread). Many guys here are fake as shit. Night game is fun when you go out with a good crew of guys but here its hard to find quality male friends. Its also VERY tough to break into social circles here. Many are closed off.

I think all the LA people on RVF should grab a drink and meet. Most of us are hardworking, and in the game of bettering ourselves and seeking success.

Nowhere except maybe NYC will you mind as many hot girls as LA though. Weather is amazing.

LOL at that car thing. So pathetic.

Great insights, bud, esp. that co-ed sports point and the dudes being flaky, too.
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What's With The Flakiness of People In LA?

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You think LA has decent nightgame or even better than the Northeast when bartenders are saying last call at 1:30am and flicking on the lights at 1:45? Hahaha

Single night lay in LA is really only possible when the stars align and logistics actually make sense. Let's say you live and game in some of the most expensive parts of the city Weho and Santa Monica you met a hot 21 year old blonde or Asian or whatever ethnicity you prefer. Vibe is good, you shared a few drinks and got through the bitch shield and then madeout.

Lights come on in the club and you invite her to your place whether a hotel or apartment just 4 blocks away, should be solid right? Well, she lives in Orange County and rode to the club with her 3 hot girlfriends. One of the girls is complaining that she is hungry, one of the girls just got an invite on social media to a party in the Hollywood hills tonight by some reality tv star, and the sober DD is a complete bitch and pulling the girl you just made out with into the car.

But you number closed her right? So you can just roll down to OC next weekend and close down there, no? Well in the time between when you last saw her she now has an additional 180 Tinder matches and ended up banging one, a college frat brother at UC Irvine or an aspiring model/rapper/actor on Wednesday night. Welcome to LA nightlife!

Interesting post.

But fuck Tinder and online dating. I rarely swear but I'm busting out the big guns here. Online dating is for chodes who are too scared to remove their bitch-made faces out of their phone and/or computer screen.

I've been telling people for years that LA is a daygame city and after that online game. You can absolutely survive and get a healthy number of bangs just from daygame. Online game is a whole other animal. I haven't tried tinder in years. It worked for a bit at first, but I think ratios in LA are hellish.

I don't think I have met that many guys that actually get laid from night game, it can be done surely but it's a whole other animal. Check the Los Angeles thread.

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I should say, for years, okcupid was great. I haven't got any bangs from it for over a year, I just added pof this evening, will say how it goes. I don't like it makes you state what sort of dating you are looking for(relationship, hook up, etc), a lot of these hoes who say they are not looking for a hook up and want a serious relationship only, will totally bang on the first date and then ghost

Interesting.

What day game spots would you recommend? Hollywood? Santa Monica? The Grove? How about in the valley?

I just went to Page 71 Lounge and there were 3 people in there. All dudes, lol. Pathetic. Went to some other bar. 4 women and 2 had grotesque plastic surgery.

The streets of Hollywood seem to be full of guys running bad game. Like catcalling and shit. I don't like the vibe of downtown hollywood(a lot of clubs and a lot of tourist areas, a lot of whores and druggies as well. And it is funny to see them all standing at the same intersection waiting for the light to change. Its sort of like disneyland if Minnie Mouse was in the alley with a needle in her arm.)

The Grove, yes great for day game.

Santa Monica(both third street promenade and the beach boardwalk areas), yes great for day game, especially in the summer, it's going to start getting too cold for that soon though.

I love Venice beach.

As for the Valley, and North Hollywood(I really like North Hollywood for a variety of reasons) but to be honest I am not out there enough.

If you are attracted to Korean girls, go to Koreatown and run day game at tea shops and the markets.

If you like Japanese girls, there is little Japan. If you like Russian girls, there are some Russian Food shops in WeHo(though they are pretty small) and even one in Encino.

Avoid Silver Lake, unless you really like the fashionably ugly hipster girls.

There are data sheets on almost all of these places already.

As for online game, I have not had a date from okcupid in over a year, I do check it once a week for new members. The ratios are about as bad as you would expect.

I have been on plenty of fish for about a week, here are my initial impressions: it is a total sausage fest. There are a LOT of hot women(hundreds) of women in their 20s in the 7+ range and all of them are getting roughly 50 to 75 messages per day, according to what they are writing on their profiles, "say something more than "hello" if you want to stand out because I get 60+ messages every day."

You can only send out 55 new messages per day, then you hit the cap for that 24 hour period.

So far, I have been on the site for one week, I am a fitness instructor, have photos from work that are pretty professional. I have 8 messages back after sending out 300. I don't know how many of the girls I messaged even check their account, that information isn't made available unless you upgrade your account and become a paying member. I think I have run across 2 profiles that only accept messages from premium members, I don't really see the benefit to becoming a paying member.

If you are using the phone app, you can send voice messages to the girls. You get 30 seconds to work on your ramble. Of the 8 that messaged back, one was just really impressed that I correctly guessed that she was from Brazil(Roosh writes about this sort of thing in Bang). I find that if a girl is ethnic, it doesn't hurt to take a guess and maybe be right and make her happy rather than sending a bland message. I don't know if any of the girls that messaged back will meet up or not.

The "meet me" (the tinder like program for pof) is not really that useful as far as swiping, I only got a handful of matches from it, but if I like their photo I just go straight to their profile and message them rather than waiting to see if they match back with me, in Los Angeles, they must have thousands of guys swiping right on them, they would have to swipe through thousands of times before getting to your swipe to swipe right or left. Just message them.

Your photos and profile had better be on point if you want to have any shot at all. I am writing all of these messages and keep asking myself if I would be better off going to my local whole foods to try to run day game instead of doing this. There are enough hot women online, that seem to be genuinely looking to date and meet someone, but you will have to be extremely persistent and keep messaging new members to eventually get some success.

The number of girls that are sick of getting pumped and dumped by players is staggering, but that is no shock. I read many profiles that "I don't hook up"(anymore) or "I am sick of guys who are disloyal" or whatever. Be ready for a huge amount of flakes, but that is part of living in LA, keep talking to more girls.

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What laq8ty said is all true: join a social sports league(kickball, softball, volleyball, whatever) and get some bangs from that. Though be careful, if you fuck like 3 of the girls on your team in the first week, they will probably start talking to each other and all just quit after a couple of weeks rather than keep coming.

"Whore and druggies" sounds pretty spot-on. Just have no idea where else I would game after 9 PM when the malls close.

Oh, wow. North Hollywood borders my neighborhood.

LOL, 3 lays in a week from co-ed or anywhere would be a veritable miracle. Heck, I'd gladly take 3 lays in a month. [Image: smile.gif]
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