Quote: (07-22-2016 01:35 AM)kinjutsu Wrote:
He has some great points in the beginning...
Although i'm not so hot on the bjj worship.
Yeah he was right up until he started on the BJJ for self defense as the best self defense. His story of him beating up another Seal that was using some other traditional martial art with BJJ does not mean anything. When I started teaching some Marines that had pulled tours in Iraq some knife fighting, like ways a bad guy could try to stab you, none of them blocked or evaded the stabs correctly. Same goes for the other active special forces guys I taught. Just being a Seal does not mean you are going to be an expert on hand to hand combat.
Lots of them just learn some basics and boxing. They don't need it as much because they are not fighting Israeli soldiers hand to hand everyday. Guns trump it all like the video author says.
Don't get me wrong about BJJ, it's great stuff, but you really do not want to be rolling around on the ground if it is avoidable (usually it is). Hard concrete and broken glass do not feel good underneath you. What if you are tackled and you roll into a bed of fireants with another guy on top of you? Boxing a guy holding a knife makes zero sense unless that is all you know.
He also forgets that Traditional Martial Arts built his BJJ. If he was ever shown Japanese JuJutsu, he might soften his stance on TMA sucks. JJ has all the key moves BJJ does, they just keep it on the feet and focus on self defense instead. It's funny sometimes to see BJJ guys getting tossed around by Judo guys. I did it all the time myself. It's the same stuff, just used with a different focus.
He's just caught up on modern stuff vs traditional stuff like lots of beginners tend to do. It's about tools at the end of the day. Use the proper tool for the job. Like many others he will find out the hard way or never at all. He said it himself, he won't argue about styles or martial arts because his mind is made up and he isn't interested.
Nothing anyone is going to say will help people like that. That's why I won't bother debating that in this thread either. At least for me I've been an instructor for a long time, and spent almost equal parts of my career doing both sides. TMA, sport fighting, pro, ametuer, all of it. I stopped thinking like this guy maybe halfway through it but it required some effort in meeting other schools, asking for demos, crosstraining with others.
I used to be extremely critical of Karate at one point in my life. I thought it was the weakest TMA in the world and was largely a joke. I met a 4th dan that even trained in Japan and did open weight sparring in Asia. He beat up a handful of my MMA fighters. After he got the best of a few, one was smart enough to just grapple him. He tried to do a high elbow to break his double leg takedown and nearly KOd the guy with the first hit, but those are illegal, so he had to stop, and he got taken down and submitted. There are no rules in the street though. He even side kicked a guy far out to the other side of the wall.
I talked with him for hours before inviting him to my class and alot of the stuff he and I were debating he made a point to demonstrate during those spars. Keep in mind, Lyoto Machida was not a famous at the time. I had not seen the power of Karate in MMA at that time. He helped me understand that it is more about the individual fighter and his willingness to train hard before the system comes into account. Training in Japan made a bigger difference than in the US as well.
He also helped me figure out just how much different things are when you take the rules into account, American MMA or even Japanese MMA. (which often involves Karate as well) We actually have one of these guys on the forum believe it or not, I won't say unless he is okay with it.
I got tons of stories/experiences like this. Diaz brothers or Chuck Liddell are not the only ones. Lots of guys in the MMA business came from Traditional systems as well and know the differences and what really matters in the street. We aren't all like this Seal guy or the legion of BJJ fanbois that think BJJ or Boxing > everything else.
Last thing I will offer advice wise, is if you have black belts or advanced knowledge of some martial art traditional or modern, it would be a great idea to take BJJ or Judo for 6 months to a year. Knowing how to fight on the ground could save your life. Of all the Traditional Martial Arts people I have ever sparred or exchanged training or knowledge with, I can only recall only one being able to get me off of them after taking them down with BJJ. The overwhelming majority had no answer for it. To be fair, I did put them into that scenario on purpose for that, most of them counted on being on their feet and ready for an attack. This is something we all know is unrealistic to always have the luxury of in a street fight.
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