[debeguiled]

(08-25-2016 10:58 AM)General Stalin Wrote:  

EDIT: @Off the Reservation I second this. More succinctly put: Seeking help troll that doesn't actually want your advice or help just someone to vent to.

I know exactly what you're talking about. They get butthurt when you criticize them at all or point out areas of improvement, and the only thing they want to hear is that it's either not their fault or that there is a "Really quick and easy one-step fix!"

I third this, it is a good catch. Do you guys suspect that these trolls are actually women?

I ask because I have had women in my family use this exact strategy for years. The daughter asking dad for help with homework, and then getting distracted or changing the subject or saying, "I know!" when he tries to point something out.

When he loses his temper and gives up, she says, "No, you promised you'd help!"

Or the grandma who asks for help finding her keys, and then, as the whole family is turning the place upside down looking, just sits there with a satisfied smile on her face, watching everyone but herself scurry around.

Eventually, she says, "Oh look, they were in my purse all along, isn't that weird? Isn't that funny?" in an innocent voice, daring anyone to complain.

Even if these posters aren't actually female, the strategy is a feminine one, as it is basically a time wasting gambit, the idea being, oh, look how powerful I must be if I have a whole group running around solving my problems for me.

And guess what, you get bonus points if you can get people to waste their time on a pointless task, because getting people to help you is one thing, getting them to throw away their time on something you can easily do yourself, or don't need at all is, in the superficial female mind, a sign of being a maximally powerful individual.

What are the counter strategies to this type of trolling?

[Cattle Rustler]

Same of the guys asking for help are genuine, I think. It's just that when you're in that state, it's hard to believe in anything else so you'll need to be bitch slapped a couple of times around so you can come to your senses.

Whenever we see an incel commit an act of violence, many RVFers say "If only he had seeked help on the forum"....but when someone does seek help, we tend to call them trolls.

[Off The Reservation]

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for sure not all posters asking for advice are trolls. its the ones who prove later that they were insincere that is this troll type.

[Leonard D Neubache]

(08-25-2016 03:01 PM)debeguiled Wrote:  

(08-25-2016 10:58 AM)General Stalin Wrote:  

EDIT: @Off the Reservation I second this. More succinctly put: Seeking help troll that doesn't actually want your advice or help just someone to vent to.

I know exactly what you're talking about. They get butthurt when you criticize them at all or point out areas of improvement, and the only thing they want to hear is that it's either not their fault or that there is a "Really quick and easy one-step fix!"

I third this, it is a good catch. Do you guys suspect that these trolls are actually women?

...
What are the counter strategies to this type of trolling?

You require them to demonstrate some minimal sort of effort before you bother helping them yourself. Someone asks for help with a training routine and you think they might be simply seeking attention?

"Stage one. 50 situps. 15 chinups. 20 Pushups. Anyone can get to this stage with minimal effort and no proper routine. Get back to me when you've gotten this far and we'll talk about a serious plan."

This forces them to go away for several weeks at very least before they come back, and if they're simply attention seekers then they're unlikely to come back at all. Even building/maintaining an alter ego that can do 50/15/20 is too much effort for those types of people to bother with.

That's just one example. Demand a demonstration of determination from those (suspected) types and they'll rage-quit or simply disappear in a puff of smoke.

[Rhyme or Reason]

Another demanding noob troll who gets butt hurt at a few sarcastic gifs:

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[ColSpanker]

I'd write about the elder troll, the wise man who has been with 3000 women and flown space shuttles, but I don't want to get buried under a pile of shoes.

[CJ_W]

(08-25-2016 03:01 PM)debeguiled Wrote:  

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What are the counter strategies to this type of trolling?

The report button.

[Drix]

A troll and his first message. thread-57979.html

[Phoenix]

"Deliberately ignore repeated statements of facts so you can stay on your high-horse" troll.

E.g.
A: I can't go jogging because I'm blind.
B: You need to stop making excuses for your lazyness.
A: I didn't say I'm lazy, I do other exercise, I said I can't run fast because I'm blind.
B: You're just making excuses for you lazy behaviour. You've got no good reason not to be exercising.
A: I've said repeatedly that I'm blind, and I've told you I do other excercise. Are you fucking retarded?
B: See you're just blaming other people for your decision not to excercise. You could walk outside right now and jog around your local block, but you're making a conscious decision not to.
A: Fuck off troll piece of shit.

[britchard]

The tough-talking dad/wise old man trolls are usually hilarious.

[Suits]

(09-01-2016 03:43 AM)britchard Wrote:  

The tough-talking dad/wise old man trolls are usually hilarious.

You mean the tough-talking dad/wise old man senior repped members?

Yes, it's pretty hysterical.

But they aren't trolls. Those guys actually believe that they are performing a public service by "mentoring" young guys.

All I hear out of them is the RVF equivalent of "get off my grass!"

None of these "mentors" have dropped a datasheet on career options or game tips that would actually help the younger guys achieve their goals.

They just ball-bust with no meaningful results.

[britchard]

(09-01-2016 05:46 AM)Suits Wrote:  

(09-01-2016 03:43 AM)britchard Wrote:  

The tough-talking dad/wise old man trolls are usually hilarious.

You mean the tough-talking dad/wise old man senior repped members?

Yes, it's pretty hysterical.

But they aren't trolls. Those guys actually believe that they are performing a public service by "mentoring" young guys.

All I hear out of them is the RVF equivalent of "get off my grass!"

None of these "mentors" have dropped a datasheet on career options or game tips that would actually help the younger guys achieve their goals.

They just ball-bust with no meaningful results.

What a weird interpretation of what I posted. Obviously I don't mean senior members who have greatly contributed to the forum, I was referring to the type of troll that Hades and Hannibal both previously posted about.

[Phoenix]

Yeah I think suits just needed to offload some sarcasm. The dad troll type is well known, and it's usually some guy who shows up out of nowhere to browbeat more established members, not the other way around.

Basically a dad troll is a guy who treats differences of opinion between men the same way a dad does to a child, a paternal tone of discipline, as though he's somehow your dad and his opinion and advice is automatic fact -- and it's arrogant as fuck.

If anything longstanding members are the opposite of this (except a couple who drop the "you are wrong simply because you just aren't smart enough to understand this as I do"). They talk in a tone of reason and listening and consideration of the facts -- which is what distinguishes us from the left afterall.

[RexImperator]

tough talking dad troll Wrote:

You can't handle the real talk without getting your balls tied in knots?

Tough shit.

Guess what, kiddo? No one cares about your feelings.

The truth hurts.

Don't want to be part of the butthurt faggot club?

Get your shit together, stop being a little bitch and man the fuck up.

[Drix]

I admire this Big-Baller troll. The man is banging 8-10 everytime.
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[cascadecombo]

Why not call him out in that thread rather than this passive aggressive post?

[DrugAdvisor]

I had a real life scrawny IRT walk into my workplace asking for steroid pills and testosterone injections like they will beef him up overnight.

Man... the information this forum feeds to misguided trolls....

[General Stalin]

The low postcount zero-rep newbs who come in here postulating pseudo-deep game theories/hypotheses then get butthurt when no one agrees or tells them their ideas are misguided. Usually going to shaming tactics with "I thought you guys were cool. guess not" statements.

Most recent example: thread-58404.html

[chicane]

Hey you kids! Get off my LAN!

[HonantheBarbarian]

The newb with 3 posts asking about how to get the 9 at his work.

How is it that every girl these guys talk to is "pretty much a 9"?

Shit, I guess Leo DiCap should be taking his notes from them.

[Rhyme or Reason]

(09-23-2016 04:36 PM)Newbies always Wrote:  

Hey guy's I'm pretty decent at "game" or whatever you call it. I Guess I'm pretty "alpha" or whatever you call it.

Always with putting critical words in quotes followed by "whatever you call it".

[realologist]

The "I Know I'm not Supposed to Post in the Politics and War Thread troll".

They feel compelled to post in that thread. They usually wait until their 2nd post so they don't seem as thirsty. They think somehow they aren't subject to the rules because they post something so important that was posted 8 pages ago.

[Suits]

(09-23-2016 06:47 PM)realologist Wrote:  

The "I Know I'm not Supposed to Post in the Politics and War Thread troll".

They feel compelled to post in that thread. They usually wait until their 2nd post so they don't seem as thirsty. They think somehow they aren't subject to the rules because they post something so important that was posted 8 pages ago.

We should amend the rule from 200 posts to 5 posts in the "+1 Notch Count Thread" or whatever it's called.

(09-23-2016 08:55 AM)Drix Wrote:  

I admire this Big-Baller troll. The man is banging 8-10 everytime.
thread-54358...pid1400090

No rep, five posts goes from full beta sending comforting text-messages to fingering banging girl who is "almost a 9."

[Cattle Rustler]

I second Suit's recommendation.

[Cattle Rustler]

(09-23-2016 06:47 PM)realologist Wrote:  

The "I Know I'm not Supposed to Post in the Politics and War Thread troll".

They feel compelled to post in that thread. They usually wait until their 2nd post so they don't seem as thirsty. They think somehow they aren't subject to the rules because they post something so important that was posted 8 pages ago.

Or the Political Newbie by Proxy troll who posts "Can someone post this in the Politics and War Thread for me?" in the EE lounge.