Quote: (03-29-2016 06:31 PM)2Wycked Wrote:
Either you have lost someone to suicide or you have not. You either understand this or you do not.
There is nothing masculine about "feeling no sympathy for this woman."
Alphas don't hammer away on their keyboards about whether or not they would fuck a woman whose body has yet to be interred in the ground.
There ain't a damn thing red pill about being a jaded, muff-diving, crab-crawling pinko commie fuckstick who thinks this situation is sad because this woman had a "few good years left in her." I don't know whether to tell you to get outside and enjoy some fresh air for once or to beg you to never leave your home again in your life.
Give me a fucking break!!!
I agree 100%.
Thank you for calling for a bit of perspective, 2wycked (and the few others who did so).
Threads like this make me think I do not belong on this forum anymore.
Imagine you're in a room with family members of this woman present. Would you make these comments? If not, then you are a coward for doing so behind the safety of the internet - you're no better than the little jackasses spewing their vitriol on YouTube.
What would you do if you heard someone else make these comments in earshot of family members and you were present? If I was there, I'd very likely reach out and methodically slam such a class act on his face. And most old school men, those ones you claim to emulate, would do the same.
And maybe you wouldn't, but what if the woman was someone you knew or the people in earshot were? Would that change your standards for empathy and mutual respect?
Well, guess what, this is not a conversation in your living room with your buddy and a 6-pack of microbrews.
This is a public space, and it's very possible someone's family
will read what you post on a topic like this (not to mention your behavior influences others and spreads the sentiment wide). For all intents and purposes,
we are all "in the same room" these days.
That doesn't mean we can't have an intellectual discussion about her fate...
Is this woman a victim of her time? A victim of her own decisions?
Very possibly, but you can't let some time go by to discuss that? And even if not, that doesn't mean you stand around in a circle jerk gloating and acting hard and making jokes at her expense.
We've all said it time and time again that one of the main sources of blame for today's gender dynamics is the modern man himself. And when I see guys acting like a bunch of gossipy little bitches and thumbing their nose at a woman offing herself because it suits their group philosophy, it's just a reminder to me of that stark truth. You call yourself men worthy of being followed and aspired to?
Way too many "alpha males" in this community acting like anything but men, blaming everyone else for their problems, and giggling like spiteful 15-year-old girls when someone else takes a dive on their face. It's truly shameful stuff.
Mental instability aside, if you truly believe this woman died because of what modern society has brainwashed her into believing will make her happy, you should see it as a reason to up your game and continue spreading your message. You should see her as a victim of our times, and that's very very tragic and should give you more cause to fix it. Being heartless and cruel about it certainly doesn't make people want to listen to what you have to say.
The worst thing to do is gloat and try to rub her nose in the shit post-mortem. Get a hold of yourselves. The coldest natural players I know wouldn't act like this in the flesh in a million years, and nor should you act like this behind the anonymity of the internet.
Depression and loniliness are nasty fucking things, and it's
always shitty when someone goes so far with the feelings as to take their life for it - the only time it may not be is when this person is hurting others or thinking about doing so. People have done it for all kinds of stupid reasons. And you don't have to agree with someone and their life choices to feel a bit of sympathy for them.
I always see guys on this forum talking about Stoic philosophy, great men like Marcus Aurelius and Seneca. The Stoics weren't just about being emotionally resilient - they also believed in being good people, in seeing us all in this together, in seeing your fellow man as a brother or sister, and in trying to understand and appreciate people even if you didn't fully respect them and their lives. Most of all, of not letting others get to you emotionally or take away your own ability to carry yourself with dignity and grace (no matter what those persons did to wrong or offend you).
Once a man came and attacked me in a bar with the members of a truly dangerous criminal organization. Over something that had zero to do with me - I got a blowjob from a woman and then got caught in the crossfire of their gang shit over misunderstood text messages I'd sent her.
This stranger then had a hit put on my life, and when I tracked down his number and called him on the phone, he refused to back down because he already had the ball rolling. I could sense he knew he was in the wrong, but admitting so would have made him look like a fool in front of his gangster buddies.
I remember sitting in a hotel room, my eye swollen shut, pointing the pistol in the mirror and screaming my head off like a lunatic, ready to murder someone. I'd already figured out where he lived and had a plan to meet him with a face full of lead when he walked out of his house in the morning.
In the end, I put down that gun. Because of this incident, I lost everything I owned. My reputation on the streets where I grew up was largely tarnished. I turned my back on my childhood home and left, unsure if I'd see my family again, as interested in preserving their safety as I was interested in not getting caught up in this drama or losing my life over something that didn't seem quite worth it.
You know what, years later, this man took a bullet and died.
Did I jump around with glee or gloat about it and cackle "see what happens?" Fuck no. Did I go online and post anonymous comments talking shit about him on news stories about the incident (like I saw a lot of other people doing)? Fuck no.
I walked down to my favorite beach bar, sat down and ordered a beer for him. Shook my head and said, that's a tragedy. Considered myself lucky that I was sitting there in Thailand, living a dream life, while the life he tried to drag me into devoured him. I even said a sincere prayer on his behalf.
Did he bring his fate on himself? Was he a victim of his own lifestyle? Of course. But all I saw was a tragic loss of a young man who lost his way - under different circumstances, it could have just as easily been me. And in fact, as so often happens, it turns out he was truly one of the best things to ever happen to me: "The obstacle is the way."
Consider Marcus Aurelius' patience when a man plotted his murder and tried to overthrow his empire. You don't need to be a pushover, whether someone is trying to kill you or not, but you can at least behave yourself in a dignified, unemotional manner.
So many of you study what it means to be a man, but you remove the quest of ethics from your journey. Like a bunch of autistics who want to be social wizards but cannot switch on that part of your brain that empathizes with others.
The world doesn't need caricatures of men who do surface-level manly things and then keyboard warrior against dead women in the safety of their apartments at night. It needs good men - who want not just to be manly but want to be manly
and virtuous - and to have the courage to set the proper example even for their "enemies." Self-restrained. Disciplined. Emotionally stable. And yes, even emphatic.
A real man is a leader, but the leader is certainly not just the one with the loudest cackle. You want people to follow you? Stop emulating the catty Jezebellian women you say you despise. Stop behaving like its our role to troll the internet until people listen to what we have to say. And start being an example worth following.
If you truly believe the world has walked astray, and especially if you truly believe men are as much at fault as women (if not moreso), then every victim of the current state of things is a needless victim - not just the ones with a dick between their legs.
We can do better than this.
The internet has become a cesspool of this shameful behavior, and someone needs to be the first to demand a higher standard - will it be you?