[idane]

Although I am a total newbie, I decided to post this in the travel section. I have been reading here a few months and really acknowledge much of the info because it really makes sense to me. I downloaded the entire series incl all books and audios. In particular I have been reading “Don’t bang Denmark” because it relates to me and listening to the audio books when driving the car.

These two contributions triggered me to post here:

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Short version
What countries are ideal for meeting women if you are the more introvert (but not particularly shy) type of guy?

Long version
I will try to describe as accurate as possible

• Country: Denmark
• Age: 36
• Height: 5’10
• Weight: 155 lbs
• Ethnicity: Caucasian
• Languages: English, German, French.
• Body features: Dark hair, brown eyes, no baldness. No yellowish teeth, no bad posture, no disappearing hair, no grey hair. Not the stereotypical Scandinavian blond look. Look younger for my age.
• Diseases: No diseases, no prescriptions.
• Personality: I consider myself an introvert, but not shy. According to Myers Briggs, 50% of any given population is introvert - but western society is targeted towards extroverts only - it basically means that a lot of introverts try to fit in very hard on the outside - but on the inside they are dissatisfied. Even though I am introvert I consider myself friendly and helpful - even to strangers.
• Tool size: Normal, average - I am not dissatisfied.
• Fitness level/Physique: Normal/slim body type, good fitness level without doing any exercises - I am blessed. Do not attend gyms as I don’t feel a need to build muscles.
• Education: Two higher completed university degrees.
• Education plans: Going “reverse”: Rather than going into management and make more money, I would rather consider something that improves my everyday skills.
• Career plans: No intention of working the corporate ladder. I am tired of corporate life and want to do something entirely different. Maybe early retirement.
• Career position: Specialist.
• Financial situation: Annual income about 100000 USD before taxes. No mortgages, no loans, no financial burden at all. Saving of 150000 USD.
  Living situation: Rental apartment - very easy ejection to somewhere else. No room mates.
• Past experience: None. Still need my V-card. Late start. School was bad from a girl-social point of view. High school did not help either. In college I moved into a dorm with both boys and girls and it was a major step up social wise. But no bangs, no kisses - just superficial communications, lots of parties but with no bangs, kisses, making out etc. In the dorm the 80/20 rule was at work: 20% of the guys banged 80% of the girls. At the moment I am actually in the mood for going out (bars, clubs etc), but I would have to do it myself 100% because all the people I know are either married, have children or simply feel too old for that shit. But I would not be comfortable doing night game by myself with no experience at all. Prostitute no option whatsoever.
• Size of town: 1.5 million
• Usage of porn: I think average, normal - not excessive.
• Sex drive: In a future relationship I would not ask for sex every month. Rather every day.
• Free time: Various crafts/sports. I am never bored. I always have interesting things to do. I don’t feel miserable watching TV and playing video games and constantly become better at my hobbies and hone my skills, I read, watch, ask and become wiser every day. But at the cost of not meeting women.
• Consumption of drugs: None
• Consumption of alcohol: Almost none.
• Consumpton of tobacco: None
• Typical dress style: Casual, comfortable - not stylish.
• Friends/social engagement: “Problematic” as most friends don’t share the same values, do not have same interests, hobbies etc. Moreover most have moved into the marriage/children part of their life - so it is even more difficult. I have always tried to build friendships, inviting over for dinner, make some fun happenings, but they are never returned by the friends (male and female). After a while I loose interest because I have to do everything, nothing comes in return, and the social circle thing is reduced to almost nothing. I don’t feel comfortable at parties: Looking back I think that 90% of all parties were of no success or fun for me. I attribute this to my introvert behavior. It has to be intimate and personal before I enjoy it. And big venues are the direct opposite.
• My understanding of how dating works: Limited, except that girls rule the dating/marriage world. They choose the man and not vice versa. A man can only show up and show his best side, for instance gaming. If he fails, there will be another man showing up in her life trying to get her. Thus there is a stream of men offering themselves to a particular girl. At one point, for some reason, she chooses one of the men - and very often a bad decision - divorce rate is about 50%. Moreover, in order to have success you need to have chemistry: No matter how hot and receptive she is and how tight your game is - if you don’t have chemistry nothing will happen. Chemistry is typically revealed after a few seconds of conversation - either it feels good or it feels totally wrong - and there is nothing you can do about it. As a result you can have great online game, you can pipeline girls - everything is going well, but once you meet in reality everything feels wrong.
• Small talk: I like small talk, it is easy for me. It is my impression that men I communicate with are easy to small talk with, but girls cannot give proper feedback and are waiting for me all the time. It bores me. Again in accordance with Rooshes discoveries in Denmark.
• Goals: To successfully meet girls/women - not necessarily banging the first night. Realistic steps forward. I am not looking to become a PUA and bang girls like most of you do. That would be a stupid goal in my situation. I am looking for a way to increase my communication skills (baby steps). At the moment I dont feel this is possible with the culture where I live where 95% of all girls are looking constantly into their smartphone or have an attitude described in Rooshes travel book. I would like a situation where I can get a positive feedback without bitch shields, social circle dramas, cockblocking boyfriends, girlfriends etc.
• Dependence/Independence of others: Very independent of others - probably one of the biggest issues. Also have a very strong mind - I have no worries going to a party and ejecting fast doing something else because I get no interest from girls - I could not care less - I am not crying myself to sleep because I got no attention.
• Girl preferences/stadards: Slim girls. Ethnicity, hair color, eye color, skin color, boob size, ass size etc of no matter. But no fatties. Educational level of no importance. I am not looking for 10s or the hottest girls. I think a 6 is ok to begin with, I am just a bit realistic without excessive standards - as long as she is not a fattie :-).
• How do women react to me: Basically show no interest. A few years back I cranked up internet dating and went on 7 dates with local girls. The experience was very close to what Roosh describes in “Dont bang Denmark”: I had to do all the talking and got almost no response - basically a monologue. During the dates there was not the slightest hint of escalation. After the 7 dates with no positive outcome I went into hibernating mode again following all my dreams in terms of hobbies, travel etc.
• Approach anxiety: I am not sure if I have approach anxiety - something most betas struggle with. But if I have a very solid reason for approaching (she is doing something I can relate to, she is carrying something I can relate to) I have no anxiety even if she is a 10. But if she has nothing I can relate to, except her beauty, I cannot trick my brain to approach.
• Hangups: I dont like alcohol (if I liked it, I strongly believe that I already had my V-card already, multiple bangs/relationships in the past etc), I dont like loud parties (intimate parties are OK), I am too independent. Very low proximity to females: My job and my hobbies are utterly male dominated.
  

Review “Don’t bang Denmark” guide
Although I don’t have a lot of true experience, I would like to comment on the guide because it relates to my situation. But also because it backs up my experience so far:

Section II discusses girls and is split into “Body and appearance”, “Personality and vibe”, “Types of Danish girls” and “Approach index”. Roosh states that most Danish girls are ugly. I cannot relate to that. I find them equally beautiful/hot compared to other Scandinavian/Nordic and even German girls. Maybe I have low standards? Of course there are fatties and those with military boots, those with shaved hair etc, but the slim ones are hot if asking me. But maybe my standard is too low :-). I am happy with a 6 or 7 (non-fat of course) … I am not looking to bang 9s and 10s.

Anyway, the section “Personality and vibe” made me happy. Asking me, this section is 95% spot on (and that is terrifying) - and explains partly why I had such a low success rate so far. It is scary, but it also tells me that Roosh probably is spot on when describing other countries. The section “Types of Danish girls” is approx. 80% spot on I would say. And I cannot relate to the “Approach index” section :-). I think my percentages are quite spot on for CPH - but if you move to the coutryside (like small town america) then things look MUCH better personality and vibe-vise. Girls are westernized/feminized very quickly when moving to CPH. During the last couple of years I have increased my skills on having a good and strong eye contact with girls I pass on the street - the problem is, however, that the girls either look on their smartphone or somewhere else - they are not interested in eye contact - at least most of them.

What do I want?
Basically I am a happy person and I don’t need girls in my life. I know this will probably change once I get the V-card. But it would be sad looking back at my life realizing that I never conquered that part - and this is why I need to do something about it now - before it is too late. I think the worst advice a man can get is from his mother, other females and women magazines telling him to be himself and he will find a girl soon. Only in forums like this one, people agree on doing the opposite. Because nothing will happen unless you change - the girls will never change for you.

The main driver for this posting is a venue change as the title says (for an introvert) and then simultaneously combine it with meeting girls in a comfortable environment. And later ultimately the V-card. After 10 years working I am no more interested in corporate life because it gets you nowhere. Well - it gets you somewhere: A surefire and boring way towards normal retirement. If you don’t watch out, you have been working your ass off for some stock investors your entire life doing thousands of useless powerpoints and excel spreadsheets that will absolutely contribute to no added value in the World. Most people with my educational level just want to work the corporate ladder, ask for bigger paychecks, do even more useless powerpoints, have a few divorces, less sex with the wife every year, change job for another big corporation and the treadmill starts all over again. However, I admit, if I had a wife + kids I would probably do the same - because I need this enormous cashflow every single month to pay for all the bills.

Somehow I feel I am stuck here. If I continue in my current job with my current daily tasks, hobbies, interests, family get-to-gethers etc, nothing will change and I will grow old alone. Growing old alone is basically not a problem because I have such a strong mind and positive view on life that I will never get a depression and make some “stupid decisions”. But in my mind it is absolutely ridiculous not to have banged a girl, tried a LTR, marriage, children etc. Basically I need a kick in the butt, and unfortunately nobody in my close circles will do it for me. But what worries me is the second link in my post above: The guy describes how he moved from Australia to London and nothing changed in his life. That worries me. So I need to do it better :-). And maybe you guys have some ideas for that?

Improvements
What I personally believe would improve my results as fast as possible:

• High female/male ratio: A high female/male ratio where girls automatically are attracted to the few men - because competition is in favor of the men and the girls have to struggle for attention.
• Isolated females: A very good thing would also be girls in an isolated environment where they are not disturbed by their phones - for instance meeting her on a mountain peak in the wilderness.
• Non Social circles: I realize that social circles are probably the best and most surefire ways to meet girls because they will feel comfortable and don’t have the same type of bitch shield - they are naturally more open and interested when introduced properly. I also realize that this would be the best way to meet girls, for instance at private parties, but I don’t have that circle at the moment. And I think it will be way uphill where I live now. And it would be even more uphill if I go abroad or travel. Thus, I probably need a solution that will require non-social circle settings.
  

Possible venue changes
By reading numerous posts here I came up with the following ideas. Reading about the experiences from other forum members I could relate to them and somehow see myself doing the same. Maybe some of you can chime in:

• Party hostels: I see party hostels as an interesting setup. It is extremely easy to make quick friends because there are no real social circles - people come from everywhere either solo or maybe as a couple. The great thing is - there are almost no social circles … well maybe many social circles with only 2 members: So everybody is looking to make new friends. The idea would be to make a list of party hostels in Europe and just go traveling for 2 months. Extra: I once was at a hostel in Miami Beach for one day - it had the vibe I was looking for - but again no good vibes at hostels without plenty of alcohol :-).
• Couchsurfing: Go traveling in Eastern Europe by car, train, bus etc and hook up with couch surfers where the main target is becoming part of their social circle so you can go out and meet all their friends at parties - then you don’t have to work bitch shields etc because you are introduced from the beginning.
• Work/holiday: Get a low wage job somewhere else (maybe exotic) where you meet a lot of girls - but bartending or bouncing would probably not be so wise.
• Iceland: According to Roosh, if you wait until the bars close - everything will settle automatically by itself to your favor :-).
• Poland: Based on Rooshes description, contrary to where I live, the girls are SO much more open and receptive. The country is close to mine which makes it attractive.
• Ukraine: Explore Ukraine because the guy/girl ratio is in the favor of men. I read a post about Kharkov or Kherson where the ratio is 70/30 in clubs. It has also been mentioned that Ukraine is difficult for gaming because the girls are very traditional and you rarely succeed in ONS or any rapid bangs: You have to work the girl for a long time - unlike most other countries. But I think this is good in my favor because I am not looking for quick bangs. Does anyone have info on Ukrainian contryside, i.e. staying away from big cities and traveling off the beaten track to meet girls? I know language might be a massive road block here.
• Going at all: Roosh mentions somewhere that if you cannot game or bang a woman in your own country, nothing will change if you go to another country. That is very depressing news. It basically solidifies the 2nd link at the beginning of this post.
  

Undecided
So far I am not decided on whether I should do a full eject with some +1 year relocation starting a life elsewhere or some semi eject with lets say 1-12 months of “vacation” and turning back home again, the latter being something like a long backpacking trip.

Recommendations
So based on this long post what recommendations do you have for an introvert who is looking to meet girls and who is interested in enhancing the possibilities by going somewhere else. I know it sounds silly, but basically need to be “friendzoned” a lot, get used to girls, get comfortable with girls … and then later go for the bang and hence the v-card. Even though it is tempting - I think it would be more wise to take it slow.

idane

[AWright]

White guy with decent bankroll but a 36 year old virgin. To be that age and still a virgin something ain't clicking right. Honestly, I would go to the Phillipines where being a white guy with dough will give you instant status, let you lose your v-card and gain experience with women.

[kaotic]

(03-17-2016 06:00 PM)idane Wrote:  

These two contributions triggered me to post here:



Recommendations
So based on this long post what recommendations do you have for an introvert who is looking to meet girls and who is interested in enhancing the possibilities by going somewhere else. I know it sounds silly, but basically need to be “friendzoned” a lot, get used to girls, get comfortable with girls … and then later go for the bang and hence the v-card. Even though it is tempting - I think it would be more wise to take it slow.

idane

I skimmed over this entire thing, the last paragraph stood out.

You're a introverted friend zoned virgin.

That's tough, but good news is you CAN change.

Before you even think of moving, work on yourself first.

You need to start working on your social skills, learning game, then putting it to use, you need to lose your virginity, the list keeps going.

You describe your problems, but think moving will help.

No, you need to change your attitude, goals, lifestyle, and views on women.

No, you don't NEED to be friend zoned, then take it slow, you'll NEVER lose your virginity like that. You'll just be her "best guy friend"

Women want a man who takes control, who handle themselves, and that woman.

It might be wise to take it slow with the learning phase of game.

Start reading the newbie forum and the game forum. Read more of Roosh's books and others. Start working out more, you rarely drink, don't smoke or do drugs, good, you're ahead of the curve. Stop watching porn also.

There is SO much you can do especially in your financial position.

[idane]

(03-17-2016 06:10 PM)kaotic Wrote:  

I skimmed over this entire thing, the last paragraph stood out.

You're a introverted friend zoned virgin.

That's tough, but good news is you CAN change.

Before you even think of moving, work on yourself first.

You need to start working on your social skills, learning game, then putting it to use, you need to lose your virginity, the list keeps going.

You describe your problems, but think moving will help.

No, you need to change your attitude, goals, lifestyle, and views on women.

I see your point of improving where I am, instead of going somewhere else. The "problem" is, that I am "stuck" in my daily routines (not a bad thing because I love what I do in my spare time) and I will constantly be able to pull the work/hobby card. If, for instance I was mostly sitting at home, watching TV, having no hobbies and interests, doing nothing besides feeling miserable, spending many hours where I feel bored ... then it would make sense in my mind to do what you suggest.

I have to force myself away from the daily routines such that they cannot tempt me anymore on a daily basis. Being away, basically living in a suitcase, having a strong desire to meet girls will naturally increase my focus and awareness of meeting girls and I cannot pull my work or hobby card anymore - because they are 10000 miles away. Of course it can be done locally where I live, but I believe that I should get faster results from going somewhere else.

(03-17-2016 06:10 PM)kaotic Wrote:  

No, you don't NEED to be friend zoned, then take it slow, you'll NEVER lose your virginity like that. You'll just be her "best guy friend"

Women want a man who takes control, who handle themselves, and that woman.

It might be wise to take it slow with the learning phase of game.

Start reading the newbie forum and the game forum. Read more of Roosh's books and others. Start working out more, you rarely drink, don't smoke or do drugs, good, you're ahead of the curve. Stop watching porn also.

There is SO much you can do especially in your financial position.

I have of course been reading a lot of material for the last couple of years, maybe 10 (on and off), and I will continue, but as all experts say, you have to move your ass out there and start applying the knowledge. It is too easy to feel improvement by acknowledging gaming material instead of applying it.

I know myself well enough to conclude that nothing will happen in my current environment and maybe going to the Philippines (as the poll suggests so far) for lets say 1 month will get me over the hump.

[Atlantic]

I am an Introvert also. Colombia has been good, people are friendly but not overbearing and plenty of girls don't want or need some guy who is always #highenergy. In fact most Colombia guys seem to be Introvert or at least low key.

I have a hot girl who is cool with just chilling out and doesn't always need to be talking. Lots of artist type girls down here and I know dates to museums, cafes etc are common (low energy venues). You can get a lots of girls or just one, whatever you are after, with simple conversation & hang out game.

Can't speak for the rest of the places on your list.

[kaotic]

(03-18-2016 06:24 PM)idane Wrote:  

I see your point of improving where I am, instead of going somewhere else. The "problem" is, that I am "stuck" in my daily routines (not a bad thing because I love what I do in my spare time) and I will constantly be able to pull the work/hobby card. If, for instance I was mostly sitting at home, watching TV, having no hobbies and interests, doing nothing besides feeling miserable, spending many hours where I feel bored ... then it would make sense in my mind to do what you suggest.

I have to force myself away from the daily routines such that they cannot tempt me anymore on a daily basis. Being away, basically living in a suitcase, having a strong desire to meet girls will naturally increase my focus and awareness of meeting girls and I cannot pull my work or hobby card anymore - because they are 10000 miles away. Of course it can be done locally where I live, but I believe that I should get faster results from going somewhere else.

I understand what you're saying but - breaking the cycle can happen anywhere at anytime, it sounds like you're just dragging your feet right now.

You have a strong desire to meet girls, great.

What have you done about it ?

-How many girls have you approached ?
-Have you done night game or day game ?
-Have you number closed girls on the street or in a club ?
-How many dates have you had ?
-How many makeouts ?
-What's the most sexual thing you've done with these girls ?
-Have you tried online dating apps ?

Do you see what I'm saying ? - You need to familiarize yourself with the process first, then you'll make even a better killing in easier regions of women.

Don't make where you live an excuse until you've actually tried and have gotten experience.

(03-17-2016 06:10 PM)idane Wrote:  

I have of course been reading a lot of material for the last couple of years, maybe 10 (on and off), and I will continue, but as all experts say, you have to move your ass out there and start applying the knowledge. It is too easy to feel improvement by acknowledging gaming material instead of applying it.

I know myself well enough to conclude that nothing will happen in my current environment and maybe going to the Philippines (as the poll suggests so far) for lets say 1 month will get me over the hump.

So you've had about a decade of material but haven't applied it at all ?

That's telling.

You're right you do need to apply knowledge.

I don't think you know your potential at all yet.

How do I know ? Because you haven't applied the 10+ years of game experience you've read.

Traveling may do you good, but make it about traveling to a new place first, women are always secondary.

The reason I'm weary is because you haven't applied yourself in your own region yet. Like I said above, the more experience you have in a tough region can certainly at least give you somewhat of an edge in an easier country.

Major thing is, the game might be very different there, then it is where you live.

But you sound like you're willing to learn.

As they say, light that fire inside and get your ass in gear.

It's time to start applying everything you read.

I'd highly suggest creating an approach log in new game newbie forum and start talking to girls and writing your experiences down.

If you do go to the Philippines - do keep a log - even write a data sheet on here about your experiences.

[Orson]

(03-17-2016 06:10 PM)kaotic Wrote:  

(03-17-2016 06:00 PM)idane Wrote:  

These two contributions triggered me to post here:



Recommendations
So based on this long post what recommendations do you have for an introvert who is looking to meet girls and who is interested in enhancing the possibilities by going somewhere else. I know it sounds silly, but basically need to be “friendzoned” a lot, get used to girls, get comfortable with girls … and then later go for the bang and hence the v-card. Even though it is tempting - I think it would be more wise to take it slow.

idane

I skimmed over this entire thing, the last paragraph stood out.

You're a introverted friend zoned virgin.

That's tough, but good news is you CAN change.

Before you even think of moving, work on yourself first.

You need to start working on your social skills, learning game, then putting it to use, you need to lose your virginity, the list keeps going.

You describe your problems, but think moving will help.

No, you need to change your...[EXAMPLES]....

There is SO much you can do especially in your financial position.

I think idane has done a great deal of self-evaluation and has been admirably bold to share himself so transparently.

Furthermore, I agree with kaotic. Therefore, let me elaborate on the 'change' hurdle.

To begin with, idane is completely correct to note how the introverted are numerous and normal, yet our lives and western commercial societies are structured to reward the extroverted. THEY get the women - and even gazillionaire Bill Gates married later in life. (If he did much dating before then, I haven't heard about it.)

Secondly, if your project is to change your life, then new learning will take iterative cycles of effort to achieve it. Accordingly, it will take time, focused effort, and patience to succeed.

I can think of three ways to move forward. First, as kaotic mentions, self-improvement is the beginning. But then, what else? What comes next?

I cannot suggest this more strongly: do not focus on females. Find males you want to emulate! Role models. Masculine role models.

Do you know any alpha males? Do you or they know any 'lady killing' men? These men are out there; there are some on here.

You need to find a man like this, and ought to learn by playing along with him. Focus on learning to become the 'wingman.' This will provide you with experience observing game in action and in person. This will help you to take knowledge and turn it into skillful actions.

As a wing, even small changes will find you making positive gains. Let's take an example from the Hollywood movie, "Legally Blonde." Elle is getting a manicure at the beauty salon from Paulette. In walks the delivery man, Kyle, who smiles and announces: "I've got a package!"

This situation sees Elle observing Paulette's fumbling the obvious flirtation and launches this alpha female (Elle) on the path of coaching (the 'wing') Paulette into improving her social life. Just reverse the sexes and the social situations, and the analogous opportunities apply.

And alpha man with game can help you to read and react to social situations with females and turn them into flirtations, and thereby into playful adventures. This means good dating situations. And these lead to sexual opportunities - and opps can be converted into fun, sensational experiences.

A man who is an introvert, and in male dominated fields, needs to find male friends who will welcome a wing to enhance his game.

One ideal situation to learn game is to make this social alpha into a friend and comrade. Such a travel companion or even flat-mate can make an ideal learning situation for gaining social skills.

Now, there is a third thing you can do to augment all of the above. You mention that you don't enjoy alcohol. Alcohol functions as a 'social lubricant' in three ways: as a social ritual (like all drugs), as a disinhibitor, and as a pleasure enhancer - mostly though dopamine in the brain. Aren't there any substitutes?

Indeed there are! The kind that I'm most familiar with are "Dopamine Reuptake Inhibitors (DRIs)." These "are drugs that function by preventing the reuptake of the neurotransmitter dopamine. The fact that they prevent dopamine reuptake leads to increased concentrations of dopamine."

DRIs "are quite effective and well-tolerated when used for approved conditions, many people use them recreationally as party drugs due to the fact that they can produce feelings of short-term euphoria."

Frankly, this extensive list of drugs is mostly new to me. But then when I've used a standard anti-depressant like venlafaxin with DRI effects, too, it has definitely improved my ability to be comfortable in social and sexual situations. If one is already in a pleasurable state of mind, it's much easier to get others to feel good, too.

There is a similar drug mentioned in the list at the link. A close male friend of mine found it extremely helpful in improving his social and sex life (and it led to living with a good woman):

Quote:

Sertraline (Zoloft): This is an antidepressant drug that functions primarily as an SSRI. It tends to primarily increase the amount of serotonin in the brain. However, it is unique compared to other SSRIs in that it also acts as a dopamine reuptake inhibitor [ie, DRI]. In fact, it influences dopamine reuptake to a greater extent than the NDRI drug Burpropion. Therefore it could be technically considered an SDRI or serotonin-dopamine reuptake inhibitor.

So, my third suggestion is to find a drug or medication that supports learning new social skills. Experiment with them. Such tools can be very valuable! (And that link has a long list of them.)

Thus, in short, self-improvement (alone); find a male social role model to learn to skills for game; and experiment with a drug(s) to facilitate "moving you out of your native comfort zone" like Zoloft.

And finally, back to where kaotic and I both agree: given the freedom of you own resources, spending time in a new country could well complement your own personal liberation project.

As Roosh knows, this sort of social learning is iterative. It rarely happens ALL AT ONCE! It is completely normal to take much trial and error (and frustration). But given all these tools and the resources you see here (and elsewhere) online, it is completely doable.

[thoughtgypsy]

Unless you have a psychological condition that is holding you back socially, you should have no problems in the Philippines. You're white, not fat, not poor, in your 30s. For many women there, that's enough to be their ideal match.

I would agree with the others that taking steps towards self improvement is a worthwhile endeavor. However I also think traveling somewhere, getting that V card out of the way and having your phone blowing up with hot women wanting to meet will transform your inner game. If you decide to go that route, I would do the following:

1) Download viber, tinder, grab, uber apps at a minimum. Buy some DVDs or load up your computer with movies.

2) Sign up for dateinasia.com and message the girls that are attractive to you. If you make it clear you've never been to the Philippines you should avoid being associated as a player. Some girls may offer to tour you around hoping that you'll fall in love with them and marry someday. After messaging a few times, ask them if they have a viber so its easier to talk, and offer your viber number. Eventually you'll have a handful that you'll be talking to consistently, and you can ask if they'd want to meet for coffee or lunch if you were to come there.

3) Get a condo off Airbnb next to or within a few minutes walk from a mall in Manila or Cebu.

4) After you've landed, start swiping right on Tinder. Repeat the same process as on dateinasia.

5) Meet girls for coffee or lunch, or dinner. If your condo has a pool, you can ask if she wants to meet at your place and go swimming. If you're focused on getting a bang, look for girls who are eager to meet even after only a short conversation. A lot of girls will put "no hookups" but meet anyway, though it might be easier to avoid those until you've gotten the first bang out of the way.

After at least half an hour, or after you've finished coffee/lunch/dinner, ask if she has plans after this. Then suggest you watch a movie or something similar back at your condo, which is really near. If things are going well, try holding her hand. I rarely escalate beyond that in public, they are apprehensive of getting a reputation of hooking up with foreigners. If she doesn't go for it, no big deal. You don't know her interest level until you're back in your condo.

Once you're in the door, make her comfortable, offer her a glass of water, use the bathroom, etc. Put in the movie. After a few minutes or when there's a lull in the plot, escalate normally. Generally if they let you kiss, they're DTF. I've never regretted escalating and almost always could have escalated faster. You need to make the moves if you want something to happen. Once the kissing gets heavy, you can start fingering them, and if they're good with that it's pretty much a done deal.

You should have no trouble with that. Eventually you should only be limited by your refractory period and ability to keep track of numbers/names/plans.

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After that point, your biggest worry shouldn't be getting laid, but catching feelings for the girls. A lot of love starved western guys get scammed by the first girl they catch feelings for. Many will push for a relationship, then want you to send money to help their family for various reasons: school 'allowance', someone in the family is sick, etc. A lot of these girls are doing this to multiple guys at a time and have a Pinoy boyfriend as their real lover.

I also see a lot of decent looking guys with busted girls who you know could be doing better. There's also a lot of guys with emotionally volatile women who could have found a better partner. The ones who will come home with you and sleep with you the same night have almost certainly done it before with many, many men. Wait until you get a feel for the lay of the land before you entertain the idea of committing with one.

Can't hurt to read over these threads too:
thread-51713.html
thread-52354.html

Have fun. PM me know if you have any questions. Skål!

[RagnarLothbrok]

The most important things have already been covered by Kaotic and thoughtgypsy. These guys know what they are talking about so you should listen to them. I also recommend you to work on self improvement (all the things kaotic mentioned) but at the same time hit up the Philippines as soon as possible for at least 2 weeks. It will help you kickstart your new life. It will give you motivation but most of all experience that will improve your confidence when you are back in Denmark. Trust me, approaching women and making all the steps you need to make will be A LOT easier if you have already slept with a dozen of Filipinas.

(03-17-2016 06:00 PM)idane Wrote:  

Possible venue changes
By reading numerous posts here I came up with the following ideas. Reading about the experiences from other forum members I could relate to them and somehow see myself doing the same. Maybe some of you can chime in:

• Party hostels: I see party hostels as an interesting setup. It is extremely easy to make quick friends because there are no real social circles - people come from everywhere either solo or maybe as a couple. The great thing is - there are almost no social circles … well maybe many social circles with only 2 members: So everybody is looking to make new friends. The idea would be to make a list of party hostels in Europe and just go traveling for 2 months. Extra: I once was at a hostel in Miami Beach for one day - it had the vibe I was looking for - but again no good vibes at hostels without plenty of alcohol :-).
• Couchsurfing: Go traveling in Eastern Europe by car, train, bus etc and hook up with couch surfers where the main target is becoming part of their social circle so you can go out and meet all their friends at parties - then you don’t have to work bitch shields etc because you are introduced from the beginning.
• Work/holiday: Get a low wage job somewhere else (maybe exotic) where you meet a lot of girls - but bartending or bouncing would probably not be so wise.
• Iceland: According to Roosh, if you wait until the bars close - everything will settle automatically by itself to your favor :-).
• Poland: Based on Rooshes description, contrary to where I live, the girls are SO much more open and receptive. The country is close to mine which makes it attractive.
• Ukraine: Explore Ukraine because the guy/girl ratio is in the favor of men. I read a post about Kharkov or Kherson where the ratio is 70/30 in clubs. It has also been mentioned that Ukraine is difficult for gaming because the girls are very traditional and you rarely succeed in ONS or any rapid bangs: You have to work the girl for a long time - unlike most other countries. But I think this is good in my favor because I am not looking for quick bangs. Does anyone have info on Ukrainian contryside, i.e. staying away from big cities and traveling off the beaten track to meet girls? I know language might be a massive road block here.
• Going at all: Roosh mentions somewhere that if you cannot game or bang a woman in your own country, nothing will change if you go to another country. That is very depressing news. It basically solidifies the 2nd link at the beginning of this post.
  

Party hostels in Europe are not a good idea if you are an introvert. They are packed with high energy, thirsty guys from the UK. Yes, you will most likely make friends there but in terms of improving yourself with women, it is not a good idea imo at the current stage of your life. I would also say that all the other options you wrote about come after the Philippines because for those countries it is true that you can't get laid there if you can't get laid in your home country. In the Philippines however, everyone can get laid.

My recommendations:

- spend 2 weeks in the Philippines and get your dick wet for the first time in your life
- keep working on improving yourself after your return and do approaches in Denmark
- then do the party hostel or Eastern Europe thing

[Onto]

It's true that wherever you go you take yourself with you. However, location does matter! It really, really does make all the difference.

I would go to the Philippines and I would carve out as much time as possible for it. If you like to ease into things (I'm the same), then give yourself a week or two just for that, and then another couple weeks for things to start picking up. I would say make it a 4 week+ trip to get the most out of it. More time, the better.

Philippines is an English speaking country which will help a lot. There are also some great forum members who live/visit there frequently that you can meet up with and get advice. That's a very big advantage also.

[Jnx]

I disagree with party hostels not being a good idea. Sure, it'll be awkward at first and you'll feel uncomfortable if you're extremely introverted but it's a great way to start opening up and exercising your inner extrovert. As you said, social circles don't really exist. It's not weird if you're alone, in fact, most people are either by themselves or with one other person. Just go to the lobby and chill, there will be a million opportunities to kick up conversation.

If you happen to have bad luck and get stuck in a hostel with a bunch of thirsty guys from the UK, just go with it. It's good practice for socialization. Plus, what do you think they want to do? They want to drink and get laid. Chances are, they're going to find places where these things are possible. You'll have plenty of time to game. If you tag along with them, boom, there's your social circle.

[Dantes]

The first thing you need to do is reach out to some members on this Forum and learn from them. Ask questions, observe how they interact with other women and life in general. You had a bit a of a late start but no time like the present.

Take a year off from work and spend some time in asia, eastern europe and south america. At the end of the year, reassess if you want to stay in Scandinavia with your improved social confidence and game or relocate to a country you feel comfortable in. Only you can decide this

Time to get a move on. Keep us posted and good luck.

[Captain Gh]

You've already received some fantastic advice from members who've been somewhat in your position, so all I can do pretty much is to encourage you. Do you realise that by having the dicipline to stash 150K in
our consumerism world, that you have the Dicipline to

achieve pretty much anything that you set your mind on that's realistic. Give it some time, and you might be spewing out a few datasheets Just don't blow your savings for women, since they're not worth it my friend. I get the vibe that you'll find that out sooner rather than later!

[samsamsam]

You have some resources, congrats on that. Spend a little, find out first hand. Dantes gave you the right advice.

If you spent 10% of the 150K, you would have 15K, some planning and budgeting you could make that last a year.

I'm a little older, resources only mean so much. Go have some fun.

Read the forum, research, etc. But don't over do it.

If you can't make up your mind from analysis paralysis, pick 5 places that interest you. Commit to a date, post it here. Pick the name out of the hat, buy the ticket to leave on that date (+ or - a week to allow for finding a cheap ticket)...then GO.

Generally, the hardest step is the first one. Once you are in motion, you start to make it happen.

Be ok, if your first trip results in nothing other than frustration. There is a reason some guys go back to the same place over and over. Some is from the success, some because they just happen to like the place, and some realize it might take a little work and more than just a week. I am not saying you will have a terrible trip, I am saying have some conviction to stay with this new course of action in your life.

You are a man, you eat challenges for breakfast.

Edit: You come off as very detailed, so I am sure you will research the hell out of it. BUT, you also come off as genuine. And that, my fellow adventurer, will probably result in a decent number of guys wishing you the best and willing to pass along info. Probably meet with you and maybe even give you the lay of the land. The benefit of coming off as humble and honest.

[Going strong]

OP, be careful with the Philippines, though, for your first (?) travel.

You come from wealthy, organized, uber-clean Denmark... have you ever traveled to a third-world country? If not, are you strong enough to withstand the poverty around you (plus, the noise and pollution)... also, if you're accustomed to Danish women, will you like Asian women, at first?

Maybe starting with Russia or Ukraine would be "safer" in your case, if you have enough money...

[thoughtgypsy]

(03-20-2016 04:16 PM)Going strong Wrote:  

OP, be careful with the Philippines, though, for your first (?) travel.

You come from wealthy, organized, uber-clean Denmark... have you ever traveled to a third-world country? If not, are you strong enough to withstand the poverty around you (plus, the noise and pollution)... also, if you're accustomed to Danish women, will you like Asian women, at first?

Maybe starting with Russia or Ukraine would be "safer" in your case, if you have enough money...

With all due respect, I think you're going too heavy on the fearmongering. Granted, a bit of caution is warranted when stepping into Manila for the first time, but most likely the biggest danger for the newbie traveler is overpaying for taxis. It's not Colombia. I've ridden Jeepneys with the poorest of the poor, spent time in relocated squatter areas, and stepped foot into the heavily Moro areas and the worst I've ever experienced was a (failed) attempt at being pickpocketed. I feel safer in Manila than most areas of my home city.

Getting a place next to Greenbelt in Makati, or a place in Bonifacio Global City in Taguig is enough to make any traveler not even notice they're in a poor country. They have plenty of parks between them to insulate you from most of the pollution and noise. I am a very risk averse person. I've been in those shoes. He will be more than fine. One of the links I posted in my earlier post in the thread was from a guy who was ultra paranoid in his original thread before going, but ended up feeling comfortable enough venturing into the ultra poor outskirts with no problem after a couple weeks. If something is gonna happen, it's gonna happen out there. Great rewards are worth taking miniscule risks.

[kaotic]

This thread has already given such serious knowledge.

It's absolutely fantastic how the gents above have been very detailed in their responses.

THIS is what makes the forum great, so much valuable data being dropped !

[Going strong]

(03-20-2016 04:51 PM)thoughtgypsy Wrote:  

(03-20-2016 04:16 PM)Going strong Wrote:  

OP, be careful with the Philippines, though, for your first (?) travel.

You come from wealthy, organized, uber-clean Denmark... have you ever traveled to a third-world country? If not, are you strong enough to withstand the poverty around you (plus, the noise and pollution)... also, if you're accustomed to Danish women, will you like Asian women, at first?

Maybe starting with Russia or Ukraine would be "safer" in your case, if you have enough money...

With all due respect, I think you're going too heavy on the fearmongering. Granted, a bit of caution is warranted when stepping into Manila for the first time, but most likely the biggest danger for the newbie traveler is overpaying for taxis. It's not Colombia. I've ridden Jeepneys with the poorest of the poor, spent time in relocated squatter areas, and stepped foot into the heavily Moro areas and the worst I've ever experienced was a (failed) attempt at being pickpocketed. I feel safer in Manila than most areas of my home city.

Getting a place next to Greenbelt in Makati, or a place in Bonifacio Global City in Taguig is enough to make any traveler not even notice they're in a poor country. They have plenty of parks between them to insulate you from most of the pollution and noise. I am a very risk averse person. I've been in those shoes. He will be more than fine. One of the links I posted in my earlier post in the thread was from a guy who was ultra paranoid in his original thread before going, but ended up feeling comfortable enough venturing into the ultra poor outskirts with no problem after a couple weeks. If something is gonna happen, it's gonna happen out there. Great rewards are worth taking miniscule risks.

I agree with your analysis. I didn't find Manila dangerous. But, sometimes depressing, because of surrounding poverty and pollution. Especially for someone having never traveled out of Europe.

So, yes, OP can spend his time in nice areas like "next to Greenbelt in Makati, or a place in Bonifacio Global City", but it will cost him more...

Colombia or Ukraine would "upset", unsettle him less (supposing OP is a bit shy and new at traveling)...

[travolta]

(03-17-2016 06:00 PM)idane Wrote:  

[*]Going at all: Roosh mentions somewhere that if you cannot game or bang a woman in your own country, nothing will change if you go to another country. That is very depressing news. It basically solidifies the 2nd link at the beginning of this post.
[/list]

I disagree with Roosh's stance on this, especially if you're white and visit Asia. It's nearly impossible not to get laid in Asia if you're putting in effort. Plenty of guys who cannot get laid at home will get laid in Asia, maybe not with the hottest girls, but they'll get laid.

[lavidaloca]

(03-20-2016 09:29 PM)travolta Wrote:  

(03-17-2016 06:00 PM)idane Wrote:  

[*]Going at all: Roosh mentions somewhere that if you cannot game or bang a woman in your own country, nothing will change if you go to another country. That is very depressing news. It basically solidifies the 2nd link at the beginning of this post.
[/list]

I disagree with Roosh's stance on this, especially if you're white and visit Asia. It's nearly impossible not to get laid in Asia if you're putting in effort. Plenty of guys who cannot get laid at home will get laid in Asia, maybe not with the hottest girls, but they'll get laid.

I have to agree. My quality doesn't particularly move much outside of Canada. Perhaps 1-2 points up. My quality here is relatively good although my volume is very low comparatively. However my volume jumps drastically upwards. I'm not a high energy guy in english. In spanish I am high energy. I can't explain why that is but perhaps it is more my passion for the music / culture / woman that changes my personality.

Honestly if I was 36 years old and with the v-card I'd contact a member who is banging his way through SEA offer to meet up with him / her. Tell them drinks are on you and go buy a Johnny Walker Black Label and drink, chat and have someone like that wing for you. It will help immensely.

[idane]

(03-18-2016 06:36 PM)kaotic Wrote:  

-How many girls have you approached ?

None, besides 7 online dates a few years back.

(03-18-2016 06:36 PM)kaotic Wrote:  

-Have you done night game or day game ?

None

(03-18-2016 06:36 PM)kaotic Wrote:  

-Have you number closed girls on the street or in a club ?

Never

(03-18-2016 06:36 PM)kaotic Wrote:  

-How many dates have you had ?

7 online dates, which all resulted 1 date and nothing more. Coffee shop type of dates. I did most of the talking, they were not actively responding - I had to pull the words from them. I am never shy when talking, I can easily talk about everything - but I need some sort of intelligent feedback otherwise I get bored. Usually, we had silent moments which felt ackward, but the girls never tried to ease the moment. I wanted to go for a 2nd date with half of them (just to see what would happen and to improve my skills), but they either refused or became silent. We all had GREAT online chemistry, but dull chemistry when actually meeting.

(03-18-2016 06:36 PM)kaotic Wrote:  

-How many makeouts ?

None

(03-18-2016 06:36 PM)kaotic Wrote:  

-What's the most sexual thing you've done with these girls ?

Nothing, but with another girl from the dorm: She was into me, we were in the same bed, dressed, 2 ft apart, but nothing happened. She was sweet has hell, but maybe a 5 tops. I was not really turned on sexually. Looking back I know I was "stupid" - I could have had my first lay there. But at that time I did not have the confidence I have now.

(03-18-2016 06:36 PM)kaotic Wrote:  

-Have you tried online dating apps ?

Yes

and to make it even more pathetic, for added info:

No kisses, no holding hands whatsoever.

(03-18-2016 06:36 PM)kaotic Wrote:  

Do you see what I'm saying ? - You need to familiarize yourself with the process first, then you'll make even a better killing in easier regions of women.

Don't make where you live an excuse until you've actually tried and have gotten experience.

You are correct, but from a financial point of view I am not forced to stay here. Of course it is doable - but after so many years I truly believe it will be uphill. So the idea was to use some cash and get faster results - while still having fun.

(03-18-2016 06:36 PM)kaotic Wrote:  

So you've had about a decade of material but haven't applied it at all ?

That's telling.

You're right you do need to apply knowledge.

I don't think you know your potential at all yet.

How do I know ? Because you haven't applied the 10+ years of game experience you've read.

When I first downloaded the material it was for information purposes only. At that time I had no confidence in applying it. Much has changed since then.

(03-18-2016 06:36 PM)kaotic Wrote:  

Traveling may do you good, but make it about traveling to a new place first, women are always secondary.

I would never travel solely for meeting women - at least not now. I am very adventurous and my primary goal would be to see the country and its attractions, go surfing, diving, river rafting, hang gliding etc.

[idane]

(03-19-2016 07:24 AM)Orson Wrote:  

I cannot suggest this more strongly: do not focus on females. Find males you want to emulate! Role models. Masculine role models.

Do you know any alpha males? Do you or they know any 'lady killing' men? These men are out there; there are some on here.

I agree on your observation. I have tried to reflect back upon my life and my current situation and I cannot identify any alpha males in my social or past social circle: I have never met or observed a man who was killing girls. The typical scenario with the succesful men are those or are more persistent and who fall asleep later. I think in my culture it is somewhat close to the descriptions of Iceland: Those who are getting lucky are those who can keep themselves awake the longest until the party closes. I have never really observed any escalation before midnight. And I def. have never seen a sober alpha in action. I believe that those men who get the hottest girls are not necessarily alphas - they often just kept on pushing for longer than all the others - often with the help of alcohol :-).

(03-19-2016 07:24 AM)Orson Wrote:  

Indeed there are! The kind that I'm most familiar with are "Dopamine Reuptake Inhibitors (DRIs)." These "are drugs that function by preventing the reuptake of the neurotransmitter dopamine. The fact that they prevent dopamine reuptake leads to increased concentrations of dopamine."

I am sorry, but I am not there yet :-).

[RagnarLothbrok]

(03-21-2016 06:32 AM)idane Wrote:  

I would never travel solely for meeting women - at least not now. I am very adventurous and my primary goal would be to see the country and its attractions, go surfing, diving, river rafting, hang gliding etc.

Seriously man, go to the Philippines. I would even suggest you to go as far and take a full year off and do all the shit you want to do. Travel, see the world, make new cool friends from all over the world, experience complete freedom. Go to the Philippines, go to Indonesia, go to Vietnam, go to Thailand. If you are bored of Asia, cross the pond and continue your journey in South America. With your bankroll this can become the best year of your life! Women will come automatically as a byproduct if you start your journey in a country like the Philippines and keep making an effort to met girls, even if it is just from online dating sites. Read Neill Skywalkers und naughty nomads books to get some inspiration.

[idane]

Thanks for a great and detailed recipe for making the "jump"

(03-20-2016 07:55 AM)thoughtgypsy Wrote:  

Can't hurt to read over these threads too:
thread-51713.html
thread-52354.html

I had a look at those two threads:

Positive I: It really made me happy to see how easy it is.
Negative I: He only seems to have luck with online dating and then going to the mall. His daygame was bad compared to. I think when really traveling (and not staying in a condo), you have to rely more on daygame.
Negative II: To me it looks like a 100% sex tourism trip to me. I get associations of old farts dressed in colorful hawaii shirts.
Negative III: Most forum members respond by saying that he will probably be back in the phils again. I think I would not be all too content with being a future old fart going to the phils every year when it is cold here and get the stigma of sex tourism :-). But then again - you cannot run away from your feelings - and if 100% of the male population in the anglosphere world went to the phils - at least 50% would probably go back over and over again - based on the readings here :-).

[idane]

(03-20-2016 11:24 AM)Jnx Wrote:  

I disagree with party hostels not being a good idea. Sure, it'll be awkward at first and you'll feel uncomfortable if you're extremely introverted but it's a great way to start opening up and exercising your inner extrovert. As you said, social circles don't really exist. It's not weird if you're alone, in fact, most people are either by themselves or with one other person. Just go to the lobby and chill, there will be a million opportunities to kick up conversation.

If you happen to have bad luck and get stuck in a hostel with a bunch of thirsty guys from the UK, just go with it. It's good practice for socialization. Plus, what do you think they want to do? They want to drink and get laid. Chances are, they're going to find places where these things are possible. You'll have plenty of time to game. If you tag along with them, boom, there's your social circle.

That what I figured when pointing it out as an example in the main post. Where private parties often have tightly knit social circles, party hostels often consist of many social circles with on 2 girls. And because these girls travel together 24/7 they might get fed up with each other once in a while and need some positive attention from other travelers. Correct me if I am wrong.

BTW: I see that UK guys get more attention here than normal. Are they unusually thirsty compared to other western countries? :-)