[RagnarLothbrok]

(03-21-2016 07:26 AM)idane Wrote:  

Thanks for a great and detailed recipe for making the "jump"

(03-20-2016 07:55 AM)thoughtgypsy Wrote:  

Can't hurt to read over these threads too:
thread-51713.html
thread-52354.html

I had a look at those two threads:

Positive I: It really made me happy to see how easy it is.
Negative I: He only seems to have luck with online dating and then going to the mall. His daygame was bad compared to. I think when really traveling (and not staying in a condo), you have to rely more on daygame.
Negative II: To me it looks like a 100% sex tourism trip to me. I get associations of old farts dressed in colorful hawaii shirts.
Negative III: Most forum members respond by saying that he will probably be back in the phils again. I think I would not be all too content with being a future old fart going to the phils every year when it is cold here and get the stigma of sex tourism :-). But then again - you cannot run away from your feelings - and if 100% of the male population in the anglosphere world went to the phils - at least 50% would probably go back over and over again - based on the readings here :-).

Negative I: No, you don't necessarily have to rely on day game when you are constantly traveling. You just need to pull the trigger quicker if you only have a few days in a city. This can be difficult if you have no experience with girls AND no experience with the Philippines so if you decide to go on a longer trip, it would be beneficial to stay in a city for the first month and learn how the game is played there. After that you should be good to travel the country and pick up women on the go. If you do things like surfing or diving and if you stay in hostels that are catered to that, you will also meet a lot of American, Australian and European girls.

Negative II: Solution: don't dress or behave like a sex tourist.

Negative III: If you really do all the stuff you said you want to do, you will have plenty of other reasons to go back to the Philippines or Southeast Asia in general. And to be honest, if the alternative is to be a sexless old fart in a country like Denmark, the question whether or not you should return to the Philippines every year in winter should be a no-brainer.

[idane]

(03-20-2016 03:44 PM)samsamsam Wrote:  

Edit: You come off as very detailed, so I am sure you will research the hell out of it. BUT, you also come off as genuine. And that, my fellow adventurer, will probably result in a decent number of guys wishing you the best and willing to pass along info. Probably meet with you and maybe even give you the lay of the land. The benefit of coming off as humble and honest.

Thanks for the compliment, but I think I would not have been on this forum if my humbleness/honesty was replaced by a bit of rude asshole 20 years ago. But that's how life is :-).

[thoughtgypsy]

(03-21-2016 07:26 AM)idane Wrote:  

Thanks for a great and detailed recipe for making the "jump"

(03-20-2016 07:55 AM)thoughtgypsy Wrote:  

Can't hurt to read over these threads too:
thread-51713.html
thread-52354.html

I had a look at those two threads:

Positive I: It really made me happy to see how easy it is.
Negative I: He only seems to have luck with online dating and then going to the mall. His daygame was bad compared to. I think when really traveling (and not staying in a condo), you have to rely more on daygame.
Negative II: To me it looks like a 100% sex tourism trip to me. I get associations of old farts dressed in colorful hawaii shirts.
Negative III: Most forum members respond by saying that he will probably be back in the phils again. I think I would not be all too content with being a future old fart going to the phils every year when it is cold here and get the stigma of sex tourism :-). But then again - you cannot run away from your feelings - and if 100% of the male population in the anglosphere world went to the phils - at least 50% would probably go back over and over again - based on the readings here :-).

Now you're just inventing reasons for yourself to fail. What you do with your time there is up to you. On my most recent trip I traveled to tropical paradises, went to history museums, did landscape photography, discussed Filipino culture and history with locals, practiced my Tagalog, discussed geopolitics with educated westerners and Pinoys, gave food to starving children, etc. I turned down sex on a few occasions when my desires conflicted with my sense of honesty.

But if my intentions were to just go and bang, why should I care about the opinions of people who don't give a shit about me and only want to hold me back? The people who will judge you do not want you to be happy. They want you to conform to a culture of self shaming that serves their own selfish interests. Do you shame the women who come back from a holiday on the Mediterranean? Then why do you let them judge you?

By all means, never go anywhere or do anything unless it's granted the approval of a committee of people who want you to be miserable. What is that doing for your life? Come on man, you are just holding yourself back now.

[lavidaloca]

Just take the leap. Heck I'm sure one of the guys with boots on the ground there would be happy to meet up with you for a couple days wherever you go.

Don't go to a first world country or party hostels. Those places are generally geared towards high energy individuals.

Go to a place like Philippines to start out.

I think you will do very well there.

I don't think you will do well in Latin America. A lot of the decent looking girls you see with foreigners are in some form of transactional relationship. I think once you get some confidence and some experience latin america could perhaps be a better option but to start out go to SEA where it seems everyone on here has been exceptionally successful. Be sure to meet up with some forum members as well despite the generally game focused talk on travel threads every member I've met has been an immensely cool dude with interesting life experience. This is quite different thaen about 95% of people I meet in the western world who just talk about their job, wife or kids.

I can't recommend enough how much travelling will change your life.

I have a buddy not too dissimilar from yourself. He has been with one girl is now approaching late 20s. He travelled to Japan and it changed his views on life. Now hes stacking each penny with plans to move to Asia after a couple week trip. Hes become more sociable, done online dating, become more positive on life in general. At the rate hes been saving he will have $500k in 6 or 7 years saved up and will be able to permanently move to his dream destination.

Meanwhile my corporate buddies are generally unhappy with the exception of some of the commission guys who make obscene money and work good hours.

Just go and you'll have a great time.

[samsamsam]

[quote] (03-21-2016 07:48 AM)idane Wrote:  

[quote='samsamsam' pid='1255255' dateline='1458506680']
Edit: You come off as very detailed, so I am sure you will research the hell out of it. BUT, you also come off as genuine. And that, my fellow adventurer, will probably result in a decent number of guys wishing you the best and willing to pass along info. Probably meet with you and maybe even give you the lay of the land. The benefit of coming off as humble and honest.
[/quote
Thanks for the compliment, but I think I would not have been on this forum if my humbleness/honesty was replaced by a bit of rude asshole 20 years ago. But that's how life is :-).[/quote]

You probably would have gotten your face beaten in by someone during those twenty years for being a rude asshole. There is a difference between having an edge and still a functioning member of society and those guys who are just dicks to everyone. Many people have a grass is greener on the other side mentality and forget to acknowledge the good stuff in their lives. Many assholes I have met have complete chaos in their lives.

[idane]

(03-20-2016 03:44 PM)samsamsam Wrote:  

You are a man, you eat challenges for breakfast.

That's funny you should mention that. The last 20 years I have been eating challenges for breakfast to the amaze of many - just not when it comes to girls. But in so many other areas. If I could apply these challenge-skills to girls I would seriously be a killing machine.

[marinhogomes]

I was an introvert for the longest time, and that is not saying that I'm in the best position now. I get laid fairly constantly, just found out that all you need is to be more forward and have more patience.

Being a virgin now is quite crazy. Tinder is there. So even if you don't want to approach randon girls, Tinder is a great way to talk to girls and get laid. Any one can get laid on Tinder, if you have patience, cause it takes me personally a lot of matches for a succesful interaction.

I would definetely read more about pickup and dating. You'll get caught on a lot of the stuff newbies get caught of, but I would say... just force yourself to go out more and talk to more people. I know "It's not easy", but it's something you need to do.

Here is the thing, you have 2 options:
Keep on doing the same thing and expect different results

OR

Start changing yourself.

Changing venue could work, but it's minor. You have to start working on yourself, look I've changed venues a couple of times: Australia, USA... but it's not about the place, it's about yourself.

No matter where you go, we will keep on being yourself. Moving to another place is even worse, you will have to make new friends and talk to a lot of new people. So you need to want to change. And in the end you'll be the same introvert, if you don't take action.

One of my friends was 40 and he just was not getting any, but I've saw that most of it, was his own fault. His schedule, the way he was dressing, the way he behaved.

So it all starts with YOU.

[idane]

Status as of March 22nd: 1st vote for USA as a country to visit for introverts like me - it can't be that bad :-). But Peru has no vote at all: Is that because only blonde guys kill in that country (and I am not blond)? I just read many posts about Peru being an easy country.

I have been looking into going to the Philippines and found a series of advantages:

1. The average height of the population is low. With my 5ft10" I will be tall compared to. I know it might sound silly, but from a self confidence point of view you can easily get discouraged in Nordic countries, Holland and Germany where people are very tall and girls usually opt for taller guys all the time - because they are tall themselves. I know for sure that if I were 4 inches taller, I would get MUCH more attention here.
2. The Phils seems to be mainly a Christian country - same values as in the Anglo World.
3. Many speak decent English.
4. Air fares less than 1000 dollars from Europe.
5. The girls are attractive.

Some questions:

1. What is going on in the southern part of the country? They advice against all travel. How serious is it?
2. I understand the key to success is logistics. The girls are attracted to the wealth of white, western men and possibly become his future wife. Does this mean that the key to success is a nice Airbnb appartment or a nice hotel in a good neighborhood where you automatically convey your wealth? Contrary, traveling backpacking style will severely lower the success rate (much more budget oriented) - or are they attracted no matter what as long as you are white?
3. When reading the posts most guys are succesful doing the Airbnb style vacation in a big city where they game as much as possible. But how is the situation in the rural areas of the Philippies? Those would be areas you would pass by as a backpacker, maybe if you like adventures and would like to explore small towns off the beaten track. Will it be easier to meet girls in these more rural areas?
4. Compared to all the other SEA countries such as Vietnam, Thailand, Indonesia ... why are philippine girls so open to western men - and ready to bang right away? Is it a cultural thing, something about having been a Spanish colony (later US), more poverty than the other countries etc?

Update: In my main post I had a small section about "hangups". I have come to realize that I forgot one of my most important ones: The audio series discusses the book called "Mean Genes" something about primal instincts etc. I fit 100% into that problem. I dont like to expose myself in a group where there is a chance of a negative outcome - because it can easily have a negative impact on the entire group and I wasted my chances with everybody - because of 1 rejection. This is why I find traveling appealing. You can go to a place, be a stranger, if something fucks up, just move on to another place and start over, even if it was only a few days. In your home country you are stuck with all the gossip and cannot escape. You can easily be badged as the weirdo - I know it makes no sense in a million city - but my brain is wired that way :-(.

Thanks.

[OculusDexter]

I can't believe nobody has suggested Japan yet.

Japan is awesome for so many reasons. Many many cute girls that love westerners and are feminine as shit. The only issue is that it's more expensive than the second and third world places suggested so far. But it's definitely manageable on a budget if you want to.

[idane]

(03-22-2016 05:54 PM)OculusDexter Wrote:  

I can't believe nobody has suggested Japan yet.

Japan is awesome for so many reasons. Many many cute girls that love westerners and are feminine as shit. The only issue is that it's more expensive than the second and third world places suggested so far. But it's definitely manageable on a budget if you want to.

A poll can only consist of max 10 options :-(.

[thoughtgypsy]

(03-22-2016 05:40 PM)idane Wrote:  

Status as of March 22nd: 1st vote for USA as a country to visit for introverts like me - it can't be that bad :-).

Sarcasm?

(03-22-2016 05:40 PM)idane Wrote:  

2. The Phils seems to be mainly a Christian country - same values as in the Anglo World.

Phils and Anglo countries generally have very different values. Phils is a Catholic country, so there generally isn't a lot of overlapping with the values of Protestant Europe. I think the biggest difference socially is the clash between a Filipino's priority of saving face over a Northwestern European's priority of honesty and frankness. It may be frustrating to you at first if you're not familiar with it.

Just giving you a realistic picture and not trying to discourage you. Filipinos are, in general extremely nice and polite people. As a Dane, I think you will get along well with them. There will be some cultural nuances beneath the surface that will take adjusting to, but you should be fine.[/quote]

(03-22-2016 05:40 PM)idane Wrote:  

1. What is going on in the southern part of the country? They advice against all travel. How serious is it?

What you see playing out is a long (over 100 years old) and ongoing conflict between the Muslim moros of the Sulu archipelago and the centralized Filipino military based in Luzon. I spoke about some of the background of the conflict briefly in the Philippines thread:

Quote:

If you look back on their history, it's not hard to understand their distrust and hostility to westerners, and especially Tagals. Throughout the Spanish colonial period, there was hostility between the Non-moro Pinoys and Moros. When the Americans came, they encouraged the Non-moro Pinoys to settle in Mindanao and demographically expand. The Yanks wanted to exert control in the region, launching a large campaign which decimated the Datus and overturned millenia of tradition.

Eventually the Datus agreed to disarm in exchange for efficient markets and protection from Tagal expansion from Luzon into Mindanao. This was after years of trust was built up between American administers and the Datus of the region. It was a huge move, as personal protection was considered an inseperable aspect of manhood in their culture for centuries. When the Philippines gained independence, the Americans reneged on their part of the deal and the Moros were left unarmed while the Non-Moros continued to populate the island with the protection of Luzon.

thread-34766...pid1254989

Currently the Filipino military (And some US special forces) are conducting guerrilla operations against the paramilitary groups Abu Sayeff and MILF (Moro Islamic Liberation Front) in Mindanao. The paramilitary groups have been known to kidnap westerners for ransom, and that is where most of the concern stems from. I am not sure how overblown the fears are, but I certainly wouldn't venture west of Cagayan de Oro if I were a first time traveler there. I would definitely avoid Basilan, Jolo, and Tawi tawi.

(03-22-2016 05:40 PM)idane Wrote:  

2. I understand the key to success is logistics. The girls are attracted to the wealth of white, western men and possibly become his future wife. Does this mean that the key to success is a nice Airbnb appartment or a nice hotel in a good neighborhood where you automatically convey your wealth? Contrary, traveling backpacking style will severely lower the success rate (much more budget oriented) - or are they attracted no matter what as long as you are white?

I've also seen women fall for Western men of all ethnic backgrounds. I've spoke with Pinays on what they liked about Western men and it varies. I don't spend too much time worrying about what the motive is because the results speak for themselves.

The main reason I'd suggest staying in a condo next to a mall is because 1) the mall provides an easy centralized location to meet up and spend a few minutes in a public place to get comfortable with each other 2) having a place within walking distance makes going back to your condo to "pick up something you forgot" or whatever a very easy sell.

It is not necessary to get it in a wealthy neighborhood, but that depends greatly on your comfort level as someone who's used to a Western European environment. You can go to very poor areas and do well, but you have to be more conscious of pickpocketers and it might cramp your style. If you want to barely notice you're out of Europe, I'd stick with certain parts of Makati, and BGC in Taguig.

(03-22-2016 05:40 PM)idane Wrote:  

3. When reading the posts most guys are succesful doing the Airbnb style vacation in a big city where they game as much as possible. But how is the situation in the rural areas of the Philippies? Those would be areas you would pass by as a backpacker, maybe if you like adventures and would like to explore small towns off the beaten track. Will it be easier to meet girls in these more rural areas?

All of my time in the province was while I was in monogamous relationships so I have no experience here. Maybe you can give it a try and report back your results.

(03-22-2016 05:40 PM)idane Wrote:  

4. Compared to all the other SEA countries such as Vietnam, Thailand, Indonesia ... why are philippine girls so open to western men - and ready to bang right away? Is it a cultural thing, something about having been a Spanish colony (later US), more poverty than the other countries etc?

Difficult to say. I have my theories, but it is all speculation. I wouldn't worry too much about it.

On a final note, I just want to put forward the notion that you don't need to be 100% prepared in order to set off on a journey. There is no perfect preparation and there is no perfect journey. It is fine to plan, but don't let all of the unknown questions discourage you from traveling. Sometimes stepping foot in a new environment and exploring everything for yourself is the most enjoyable part of travel.

[MikeS]

As a fellow Dane I'd strongly back up all the Philippines recommendations. I haven't actually been there myself yet, but I've been on two month long Thailand trips and meeting girls and getting laid there through online dating and daygame (don't care much for clubs and bars anymore, even on vacations) was a hell of a lot easier than here in Bulgaria where I live now - and everything I've heard about the Philippines suggests that's even easier than Thailand, and with fewer language barriers.
I think Roosh was with regards to most countries more or less correct in his old statement about the reliable ability to get laid abroad usually requires that you can already do so at home, but his lack of experience with SEA made him blind to some very clear exceptions in that region.
Do yourself a huge favour and book that vacation to the Philippines. And read the Philippines datasheets in this forum just so you don't end up as the one in 10,000 men who somehow manages to go there and, bafflingly, not get laid. And don't give a fuck what anyone thinks about you while you're there - have fun, get laid. And if it's with 5s instead of 7s, who the hell cares.

As far as your challenges in Denmark go I'm afraid I don't have any usable advice for your particular situation there. I relied almost solely on clubs and bars and occasional private parties for meeting women from my teens until I moved away in my mid 30s (I had been thoroughly sick and tired of the nightlife for years at the time and scaled back considerably, but it was at the time still the only efficient way I knew of meeting women).

[Travesty]

I haven't read the thread.

Go to the Phillipines get laid as much as you can.

Go right now.

These guys saying work on your game or self first are wrong.

That is good advice for an 18 year old virgin, Horrific beyond belief for a 36 year old.

Work on your game after this cherry popping trip.

If at the end of the trip you haven't gotten laid hire the best looking hooker you can find for a full day.

I really am not kidding 36yo is late in the game. Time to pull the fire alarm.

None of this believe in yourself baby steps
bullshit.

[Designate]

(03-22-2016 05:40 PM)idane Wrote:  

But Peru has no vote at all: Is that because only blonde guys kill in that country (and I am not blond)? I just read many posts about Peru being an easy country.

No offense to you OP, but for being a virgin you shouldn't consider any place easy.

But if you decide Latin America, Peru will for sure be your best bet for your particular situation.

Blonde is good but brown, black or whatever, doesn't matter as much as you are Northern European looking. With that alone you should be able to at least get some Peruana gringo groupies interested in to fucking you. Keyword here is interested, you are going to need to put in some work to get bangs. If you bring more to the table, Spanish capabilities, Latin dancing, solid style, and strong body language and overall game, the more Peruanas you'll be able to score.

Along with Lavidaloca said, you should understand your profile is prime meat for Chicas to transactionally take advantage of you or worse, so use caution here. Overall it would be better for you to run through a bunch of girls and gain some real world experience than try any sort of LTR with one girl.

[MikeS]

There's really very little point in considering other places than SEA (with the Philippines most likely being the top choice for easy lays). A 36 year old virgin needs easy, and by all accounts I've ever heard, read or experienced myself nowhere in the world is easier for the largest number of men than South East Asia.
Many other places might be easier or have more attractive girls than Denmark or Western Europe in general, but are by no means a slam dunk for a man in the original poster's situation, as extroversion, game, physique or other factors might play a big part for those having the time of their life in those locations (EE or SA for instance. I don't have any SA experience, but I certainly have to work harder for my lays here in Bulgaria than I ever had to in Denmark).

[samsamsam]

I bet if some girl found out you were a virgin and you were congruent (meaning she believed you), there are some girls that would be happy to take your virginity.

They would do it to try and recapture some of their innocence they have lost after having hundreds of dicks inside of them.

Go the Philippines .

[kaotic]

(03-23-2016 03:52 PM)Travesty Wrote:  

I haven't read the thread.

Go to the Phillipines get laid as much as you can.

Go right now.

These guys saying work on your game or self first are wrong.

That is good advice for an 18 year old virgin, Horrific beyond belief for a 36 year old.

Work on your game after this cherry popping trip.

If at the end of the trip you haven't gotten laid hire the best looking hooker you can find for a full day.

I really am not kidding 36yo is late in the game. Time to pull the fire alarm.

None of this believe in yourself baby steps
bullshit.

In retrospect I guess you might be right versus my advice.

I kept forgetting he's 36.

Losing his virginity is a major step in the right direction, he definitely needs to get his ass in gear to play catch up.

[joost]

Let me put my 2c.

Being virgin at 36, are you too introvert or awkward near girls?

Maybe you're bellow average. If you have a nice salary, I imagine you live in a nice area (maybe the best neighborhood in your country?). Maybe the available men are better looking, make more money and are a little more extrovert than you (have some game).

You should go ASAP to a country where you have a wow factor. Being above average increases your chances exponentially.
-Be it being better looking (you having European features).
-Being average or taller.
-Being wealthier (more resources).

I've never read Roosh books. Don't know if it explains step by step how to interact with girls.

First you need to know how "things" (steps) work. Something like this:
1- Eye contact. That's the first step. With proper training/practice, you'll learn to read signals to know if she's interested. Have a nice and cool smile.
2- Approach. You have to talk to the girl. Be cool. Don't look thirsty. Avoid work, religion and politics topics. Easy and mundane chit chat is better. Should be something that makes her smile and entertain her.
3- Sensualize/sexualize the talk. Under better circumstances you should talk with your face next to hers. If you're in some place with some external noise, you can use it to your advantage by talking to her ear, touching her cheek. That's why I hate dinner dates (there is a table separating you guys!).
4- Kiss her. Many guys have no clue as to when and how. When you feel some sexual tension and have your face next to hers, look at her eyes, then at her mouth. By her eye contact, you'll know if she is open before kissing. That way you never end up rejected.
5- Escalate to sex.
6- Avoid putting the girl on a pedestal. She's never going to be "the one" since there is 3.5 billion women in the world.

Tidbits:
To do all that you need some confidence and some experience. At 36, you should hire a nice prostitute to know how to do it.

Avoid social apps/websites. Even ugly girls receive dozens of messages a day. Imagine the pretty ones. When a girl see your profile, she knows you're there to get laid. Women creates a shield. Something like "I know he's interested in me. I'm going to wait for his moves and see how it goes". Same mentality for nightclubs. In the hostels department, you already "befriend" the girl, so when you go out with them, bitch shield is non-existent.
If you have money, build your social circle enlisting to several courses. Choose shorter term ones so you can meet and develop new skills. Acting school comes to my mind.

I don't like the idea of visiting Phils/Thailand. Don't care what people think about you but It's a little depressing a country were most girls are pros.
I heard stories about prostitutes in Amsterdam; Gorgeous girls, cheap price. She sucks your dick with condom, when it's barely hard, she put it in her vag and start fucking with a disgust face. That IS depressing.

You told me about your motorcycle hobby. It's cool to have a hobby, but yours is too much lone wolf. Choose something more social that you can interact with girls. Beach Volleyball? Play the piano for some Ballet school? Acting? Use your imagination.

This forum is against prostitution but your case is very special. Before anything else:

Go to Brazil. Best looking girls are from south (Porto Alegre). They're mostly European descendants. For a $100 usd you can bang a top college student type. She'll kiss you like a girlfriend, suck your dick without condom and will look like she's enjoying. I can give you more info if you want. That way you can train to be a better kisser and be better in bed. Stay there for a month if necessary. Bang a different girl every time.

That way you'll get a feeling on how things ARE. So when you do the "steps" (meeting, hanging out, escalating…) you'll be comfortable.

After Brazil, I would recommend Colombia. You'll be a man way above average in all departments. At 36 you can date a girl in her early 20's without problem. Girls are good looking and if you start dating one, she'll make you fell great. They're submissive, educated and doesn't have a bitchy attitude. I imagine you'll find a girlfriend fast. The problem I see is YOU falling in love from the first girlfriend you get.

NEVER tell a girl how much you make nor how much you have in the bank. Don't play rich nor poor.

There is so much advice I would like to give you but It'll be a book.

[Uptown]

^I disagree with p2p as a stepping stone towards game.

I've never helped someone out in this man's position, but pros are always the easy option and can lead to an addiction through a mindset of "if I can't escalate with this woman, I'll call it a night and just get a hooker instead", which will lead to shitty game.

I think it's a lot better to get with a dozen easy girls and give them a shit time than to practice on a pro. You'll actually want to put the effort in with the girls you've earned compared to the one that is up for almost anything from the get-go.

[Brodiaga]

I completely disagree with joost. Specifically:

-You are against going to Phils or Thailand because "most girls are pros". This is complete nonsense. You have no idea what you are talking about.

-You suggest going to Brazil or Colombia instead. Both the countries are much more difficult than SEA when it comes to girls. They are also much more dangerous and hard to navigate for tourists. Without speaking the local language, it can be very difficult to get laid there unless you already have good game and can get laid in your home country (not the case for OP).

-You say don't use Tinder and dating sites. While this is an option for more advanced players, the best thing a 36yo virgin can do is set up a Tinder profile, change his location to a city like Manila, pipeline in advance and go there for a couple of weeks.

-Finally, you suggest trying p4p. This is frowned upon on this forum. OP is lucky that he found RVF and asked here for advice instead of going to one of those forums where a bunch of losers get together and talk about p4p.

OP, read South East Asia datasheets on this forum, ask questions if necessary, decide where to go, book a trip, pipleine on Tinder/online in advance, get your ass over there, lose virginity and have a good time. Don't do p4p. You won't need to if you follow this advice.

[idane]

Thanks for all your enthusiastic answers - it really helps a lot. But I feel that many answers derail a bit. Maybe I wasn't too clear about my primary goals. Where can an introvert meet and talk to friendly, open girls without

a. Bitch shields
b. Social circle problems

i.e. where they are naturally curious in talking to strangers, not just for 30 seconds, but for an extended duration. Language might be a problem - but as long as she is curious about me it will be OK. Of course if she knows some English it will be nice :-). The above two points (a. + b.) is something I really feel are some of the biggest obstacles in northern Europe. Her having a smartphone in her hand with unlimited internet data access and unlimited SMS and unlimited calls is not exactly promoting an interaction because she is constantly distracted - unless you REALLY have your game tight - and I don't have that at the moment (to be honest).

I have understood that the Philippines is a very easy place to pipeline girls, stay in a big city for 1 month, and after 1 month you will most def. have your first flag - even if you are very unexperienced. But for me it sort of borders closely to p4p, which I am not totally a fan of: Well it is just a mental hangup :-).

I know it sounds beta, but are the Philippines also a place where you meet open, friendly (non-bitchy, non social circle) girls with whom you can have a meaningful conversation for lets say 30 min without the goal of banging her right away? If I can go to the Philippines for 30 days and talk to 30 different girls and have a "meaningful" conversation of at least 30 min where she is totally engaging in it and not just saying "yes" and "no" to everything ... then that would be mission accomplished for me. Then I would probably go home, try to apply some approach/conversational skills here (and then later return for real banging). Don't get me wrong: But if I buy a ticket, start pipelining girls in the Phils, meet with them, bring them back to my appartment for some action within a few days ... that would be nice ... but I also know myself well enough to conclude that this is too fast for my mind.

[Sojourn]

I'm presently in the Philippines and I visit the Philippines a lot. As an introverted person myself it has really improved my social skills and overall comfort when talking with girls.

You will get an excellent boost of confidence just walking around the malls and streets with many eyes on you as 5'10 european man.

You will meet a lot of open and friendly people here but there are cultural differences here that you will need to accept. For example as very much mentioned on this forum as well, a "Yes" from them may not really mean "Yes", filipinos/filipinas might just say this to not offend you, not look stupid and just to be nice. Refer to this excellent recent post by thoughtgypsy to get a feeling of what's going on here: thread-34766...pid1260684

In terms of meaningful conversations, it really depends. Girls on Tinder are usually more higher class, most have travelled and overall better English from what I've found.

Yes people have smartphones here, but the networks and connectivity is still quite bad, so I think it forces people to get off of them every now and then since the signal goes from 5 bars to 1 bar just moving 3 feet sometimes. I remember standing outside the Globe headquarters building which is one of the main providers and not get any signal.

Do not think of coming here that its like p4p. You need to start somewhere and build up your skills and you should do that sooner then later.

[Kamaki4]

(04-02-2016 07:58 AM)joost Wrote:  

I don't like the idea of visiting Phils/Thailand. Don't care what people think about you but It's a little depressing a country were most girls are pros.

Be careful making untrue statements, especially on a thread like this.

[Kamaki4]

(04-03-2016 02:46 AM)idane Wrote:  

Thanks for all your enthusiastic answers - it really helps a lot. But I feel that many answers derail a bit. Maybe I wasn't too clear about my primary goals. Where can an introvert meet and talk to friendly, open girls without

a. Bitch shields
b. Social circle problems

i.e. where they are naturally curious in talking to strangers, not just for 30 seconds, but for an extended duration. Language might be a problem - but as long as she is curious about me it will be OK. Of course if she knows some English it will be nice :-). The above two points (a. + b.) is something I really feel are some of the biggest obstacles in northern Europe. Her having a smartphone in her hand with unlimited internet data access and unlimited SMS and unlimited calls is not exactly promoting an interaction because she is constantly distracted - unless you REALLY have your game tight - and I don't have that at the moment (to be honest).

I have understood that the Philippines is a very easy place to pipeline girls, stay in a big city for 1 month, and after 1 month you will most def. have your first flag - even if you are very unexperienced. But for me it sort of borders closely to p4p, which I am not totally a fan of: Well it is just a mental hangup :-).

I know it sounds beta, but are the Philippines also a place where you meet open, friendly (non-bitchy, non social circle) girls with whom you can have a meaningful conversation for lets say 30 min without the goal of banging her right away? If I can go to the Philippines for 30 days and talk to 30 different girls and have a "meaningful" conversation of at least 30 min where she is totally engaging in it and not just saying "yes" and "no" to everything ... then that would be mission accomplished for me. Then I would probably go home, try to apply some approach/conversational skills here (and then later return for real banging). Don't get me wrong: But if I buy a ticket, start pipelining girls in the Phils, meet with them, bring them back to my appartment for some action within a few days ... that would be nice ... but I also know myself well enough to conclude that this is too fast for my mind.

I know it may be your default position, but don't try to overthink this, idane. There are several countries you could go, but the Phils is a great choice. In fact, book your ticket n̶o̶w̶ yesterday.

[samsamsam]

Op don't overthink it or drag it out too long. Pick a date for your trip. Narrow it down to three that you want to visit. Personally, I say go to the Philippines.

With all respect to the poster on this thread thread-53899.html, you don't want to just lock into a constant mental masturbation session.

At some point the endless cycles of questions will turn off people from wanting to help you.

I am not saying that what I write next applies to you. But if it does, know that I am saying it from a place to help you not hurt you. Sometimes, the unknown causes us to tense up, to worry or at least do some quick calculations. We all do it. Those who say they never think about anything or worry about anything have 99.99 percent likely made some very fucked up choices that they deep down regret.

As humans we try and minimize the negative impacts. This is natural everyone does it. The problem is when the utility (joy) of safety is greater than the perceived joy of the unknown, then you won't make a move. In this case a trip, for example, to the Phillipines has you setting some low hurdles that still don't seem like it is enough to motivate you to go.

OP, you seem like a decent fellow. I only write all this because I want for you to have a great life experience and make progress. Please don't read any condescension in that comment, every man should be making progress in his life. What I say to you applies to me as well.

How about just buying the ticket and set the date? I am sure if you did that a lot of guys who knew details about the area would be happy to answer questions.

Take one step, the hardest step, the first step. Have faith that the motivations that brought you to RVF are genuine and that you are on the right course of action.

Edit 1: No trip is ever perfect, don't get into the mindfuck of wanting to know if "you won before you play the game." Even losing a game can be enjoyable if you can look for the positive.

Edit 2:Maybe this is a bit much, but it flashed through my thoughts. Plus, I heard another sequel was being made.