[whateverfuckit]

(02-25-2016 01:45 AM)Cattle Rustler Wrote:  

I'm rather taken back by one low count post/rep member calling another member a "low post/rep Newbie"

Everything this is relative.

Unlike OP, I've contributed to the forum. I also avoid calling myself "alpha" and creating threads to educate people on subjects I have little to no experience in.

[Veloce]

(02-25-2016 12:27 AM)CharlesHustle Wrote:  

About me: I am a 25 year old American living in California. I am fit, educated and have a good job. I will also add that I am more alpha than beta.

[samsamsam]

OP, welcome to the forum. Thanks for taking the time to share your observations. Please don't take it as total rejection of your comments. Just we are sometime quite skeptical of new posters. I appreciate how you have not gone totally defensive, says something about your ability to handle feedback.

I would be interested in hearing how things progress with your girl. Still together I am guessing? On a fiance visa? I forgot what it is called.

Welcome. You'll be fine as long as you don't have an internet SJW emotional breakdown online or are a known troller under a new account. I only add the last part because a lot of banned people come back, I am not sure why.

[LovePotionNo.9]

(02-25-2016 01:58 AM)CharlesHustle Wrote:  

(02-25-2016 01:56 AM)LovePotionNo.9 Wrote:  

(02-25-2016 01:54 AM)CharlesHustle Wrote:  

(02-25-2016 01:49 AM)LovePotionNo.9 Wrote:  

Quote:

Internet income is my long term goal. Thank for the advice today. I have had enough of this forum. I didn't realize there are so many insecure keyboard warriors waiting to pounce on a newer forum member.

I wouldn't leave, my man.. this is actually the first time I've seen this and there's a lot of knowledge to acquire here. Especially, if you would like another Ukrainian girl

I will stay around and gain some knowledge by the wise forum members.

I would like to start by saving the relationship I already have. She moved back to Ukraine recently because we didn't get married in the 90 day window. I am trying to understand her culture so we can move forward, but on the other hand I may have a more suitable Ukrainian partner out there... who knows..

If she's exactly what you described, let her be.. Go and find a younger more down to earth girl

There is a difference between perception and actuality. Understanding the difference is my goal...

Make sure she has a phone she can afford. It's the easiest way to tell if she's normal or not. A normal Ukrainian girl can't afford an iPhone.

[worldwidetraveler]

(02-25-2016 01:21 AM)whateverfuckit Wrote:

Everything this is relative.

Unlike OP, I've contributed to the forum. I also avoid calling myself "alpha" and creating threads to educate people on subjects I have little to no experience in.

What is your experience with Ukraine women?

[LovePotionNo.9]

(02-25-2016 01:59 AM)whateverfuckit Wrote:  

(02-25-2016 01:45 AM)Cattle Rustler Wrote:  

I'm rather taken back by one low count post/rep member calling another member a "low post/rep Newbie"

Everything this is relative.

Unlike OP, I've contributed to the forum. I also avoid calling myself "alpha" and creating threads to educate people on subjects I have little to no experience in.

Evidently he has a lot of experience in a certain type of Ukrainian girl.

[CharlesHustle]

(02-25-2016 02:09 AM)samsamsam Wrote:  

OP, welcome to the forum. Thanks for taking the time to share your observations. Please don't take it as total rejection of your comments. Just we are sometime quite skeptical of new posters. I appreciate how you have not gone totally defensive, says something about your ability to handle feedback.

I would be interested in hearing how things progress with your girl. Still together I am guessing? On a fiance visa? I forgot what it is called.

Welcome. You'll be fine as long as you don't have an internet SJW emotional breakdown online or are a known troller under a new account. I only add the last part because a lot of banned people come back, I am not sure why.

I appreciate the warm welcome. We are still together, but on the rocks at the moment. She returned back to her life in Ukraine and I am stuck here in our apartment while working my office job.

Just got word that she is having a lot of financial difficulties at the moment. I don't plan to send her money because she made it clear while she was in America that it is not greener on the other side.

Definitely not a troller and do not plan to be. I do realize I generalized Ukrainian woman which is wrong. Live and learn, right?

[whateverfuckit]

(02-25-2016 01:54 AM)CharlesHustle Wrote:  

(02-25-2016 01:49 AM)LovePotionNo.9 Wrote:  

Quote:

Internet income is my long term goal. Thank for the advice today. I have had enough of this forum. I didn't realize there are so many insecure keyboard warriors waiting to pounce on a newer forum member.

I wouldn't leave, my man.. this is actually the first time I've seen this and there's a lot of knowledge to acquire here. Especially, if you would like another Ukrainian girl

I will stay around and gain some knowledge by the wise forum members.

I would like to start by saving the relationship I already have. She moved back to Ukraine recently because we didn't get married in the 90 day window. I am trying to understand her culture so we can move forward, but on the other hand I may have a more suitable Ukrainian partner out there... who knows..

You got played. Chalk up the experience and be VERY GLAD she left before you were able to do irreparable damage to your life.

1st: You're way to young and inexperienced to be making life-long decisions, as your post details.

2nd: This girl isn't right for you, as your post details.

3rd. You aren't ready for an LTR. You have a lot of learning to do.

If you've realized American women are poison and are interested in taking measures to improve your dating life, save some cash, work on creating a location independent business, and take some trips abroad. Drop the online dating thing...you claim to be a "good looking....alpha" guy, so work on real life game. You already said Badoo isn't working anyways. Focus on girls you can see, touch, taste. Girls in a 50 mile radius. And humble yourself. If you were as "alpha" and "able to handle" the situation as you thought, you'd already have seen all the red flags mentioned above.

There you go. There's advice that isn't mocking you. Let's see what you do with it.

[CharlesHustle]

(02-25-2016 02:11 AM)LovePotionNo.9 Wrote:  

(02-25-2016 01:58 AM)CharlesHustle Wrote:  

(02-25-2016 01:56 AM)LovePotionNo.9 Wrote:  

(02-25-2016 01:54 AM)CharlesHustle Wrote:  

(02-25-2016 01:49 AM)LovePotionNo.9 Wrote:  

I wouldn't leave, my man.. this is actually the first time I've seen this and there's a lot of knowledge to acquire here. Especially, if you would like another Ukrainian girl

I will stay around and gain some knowledge by the wise forum members.

I would like to start by saving the relationship I already have. She moved back to Ukraine recently because we didn't get married in the 90 day window. I am trying to understand her culture so we can move forward, but on the other hand I may have a more suitable Ukrainian partner out there... who knows..

If she's exactly what you described, let her be.. Go and find a younger more down to earth girl

There is a difference between perception and actuality. Understanding the difference is my goal...

Make sure she has a phone she can afford. It's the easiest way to tell if she's normal or not. A normal Ukrainian girl can't afford an iPhone.

Good point. She has an old flip phone. But.. her ex bought her an iPhone 4s, which she still has. She is an exception to a lot of the rules that I have read on this forum. There is a large gray area with her.

[whateverfuckit]

(02-25-2016 02:12 AM)worldwidetraveler Wrote:  

(02-25-2016 01:21 AM)whateverfuckit Wrote:

Everything this is relative.

Unlike OP, I've contributed to the forum. I also avoid calling myself "alpha" and creating threads to educate people on subjects I have little to no experience in.

What is your experience with Ukraine women?

Only one girl a number of years ago I met in NYC. But I'm smart enough not to make judgments based on a single case. I've also read "Bang Ukraine" and many, many, MANY threads in the travel section of the forum on Ukrainian women. Again: You don't see me starting threads telling everyone about them.

[worldwidetraveler]

(02-25-2016 02:21 AM)whateverfuckit Wrote:  

Only one girl a number of years ago I met in NYC. But I'm smart enough not to make judgments based on a single case. I've also read "Bang Ukraine" and many, many, MANY threads in the travel section of the forum on Ukrainian women. Again: You don't see me starting threads telling everyone about them.

I haven't read your threads, but you are wrong in this instance and you're lack of experience is showing. Maybe you should continue with this advice and not comment on subjects you don't know anything about.

[whateverfuckit]

(02-25-2016 02:25 AM)worldwidetraveler Wrote:  

(02-25-2016 02:21 AM)whateverfuckit Wrote:  

Only one girl a number of years ago I met in NYC. But I'm smart enough not to make judgments based on a single case. I've also read "Bang Ukraine" and many, many, MANY threads in the travel section of the forum on Ukrainian women. Again: You don't see me starting threads telling everyone about them.

I haven't read your threads, but you are wrong in this instance and you're lack of experience is showing. Maybe you should continue with this advice and not comment on subjects you don't know anything about.

Others would disagree, based on the threads I've read.... Certain portions are true to "all" Ukrainian women, but not all. Anyways, I'm not interested in arguing, there's nothing to gain from it. My points still stand.

[worldwidetraveler]

(02-25-2016 02:30 AM)whateverfuckit Wrote:  

Others would disagree, based on the threads I've read.... Certain portions are true to "all" Ukrainian women, but not all. Anyways, I'm not interested in arguing, there's nothing to gain from it. My points still stand.

No, you have no point since you don't know what you're talking about in this instance. This guy lived with a Ukrainian woman while you met one. A lot of his points are true and if you spent time in Ukraine you would understand why. As LovePotion noted, not all women are exactly like what he posted, but many have some traits that are similar to the list the OP pointed out.

Look at it this way. Ukraine is a male dominated society. Women rely on their looks to get many, many things. They are born into that type of society and with it comes many of those traits.

[whateverfuckit]

(02-25-2016 02:33 AM)worldwidetraveler Wrote:  

(02-25-2016 02:30 AM)whateverfuckit Wrote:  

Others would disagree, based on the threads I've read.... Certain portions are true to "all" Ukrainian women, but not all. Anyways, I'm not interested in arguing, there's nothing to gain from it. My points still stand.

No, you have no point since you don't know what you're talking about in this instance. This guy lived with a Ukrainian woman while you met one. A lot of his points are true and if you spent time in Ukraine you would understand why. As LovePotion noted, not all women are exactly like what he posted, but many have some traits that are similar to the list the OP pointed out.

Look at it this way. Ukraine is a male dominated society. Women rely on their looks to get many, many things. They are born into that type of society and with it comes many of those traits.

None of what I said contradicts what you just wrote, and vice-versa....

I admitted that several of his points are true of Ukrainian women in general. I said that not all were true, and I said that in principle, it's a bad idea to take a single case and judge everything by it. Imagine if his first American girlfriend were wonderful. Would you advise he write a post about how amazing American girls are? I don't think so.

Anyways, that's all I have to say on the matter. If OP in genuine, ok. Seemed like a troll post to me, with the "I'm more alpha than beta". Almost certain I've seen that exact wording written in a few banned posters before, but maybe he changed a word or two....

the end.

[CharlesHustle]

(02-25-2016 02:40 AM)whateverfuckit Wrote:  

(02-25-2016 02:33 AM)worldwidetraveler Wrote:  

(02-25-2016 02:30 AM)whateverfuckit Wrote:  

Others would disagree, based on the threads I've read.... Certain portions are true to "all" Ukrainian women, but not all. Anyways, I'm not interested in arguing, there's nothing to gain from it. My points still stand.

No, you have no point since you don't know what you're talking about in this instance. This guy lived with a Ukrainian woman while you met one. A lot of his points are true and if you spent time in Ukraine you would understand why. As LovePotion noted, not all women are exactly like what he posted, but many have some traits that are similar to the list the OP pointed out.

Look at it this way. Ukraine is a male dominated society. Women rely on their looks to get many, many things. They are born into that type of society and with it comes many of those traits.

None of what I said contradicts what you just wrote, and vice-versa....

I admitted that several of his points are true of Ukrainian women in general. I said that not all were true, and I said that in principle, it's a bad idea to take a single case and judge everything by it. Imagine if his first American girlfriend were wonderful. Would you advise he write a post about how amazing American girls are? I don't think so.

Anyways, that's all I have to say on the matter. If OP in genuine, ok. Seemed like a troll post to me, with the "I'm more alpha than beta". Almost certain I've seen that exact wording written in a few banned posters before, but maybe he changed a word or two....

the end.

My fiance once told me "Ukrainian woman are crazy. It is a mans job not to react to our craziness. A real man must be stable emotionally."

There is a lot you can learn from a Ukrainian woman. You should take her advice instead of getting yourself worked up online. Have a beer, relax.

[worldwidetraveler]

(02-25-2016 02:52 AM)CharlesHustle Wrote:  

My fiance once told me "Ukrainian woman are crazy. It is a mans job not to react to our craziness. A real man must be stable emotionally."

There is a lot you can learn from a Ukrainian woman. You should take her advice instead of getting yourself worked up online. Have a beer, relax.

Charles, you really need to reevaluate this engagement if you are already having problems. It will not get better.

It doesn't matter what she thinks how a man should act. It only matters if you want to deal with that type of relationship. It doesn't sound like it from your posts here.

[CharlesHustle]

(02-25-2016 03:00 AM)worldwidetraveler Wrote:  

(02-25-2016 02:52 AM)CharlesHustle Wrote:  

My fiance once told me "Ukrainian woman are crazy. It is a mans job not to react to our craziness. A real man must be stable emotionally."

There is a lot you can learn from a Ukrainian woman. You should take her advice instead of getting yourself worked up online. Have a beer, relax.

Charles, you really need to reevaluate this engagement if you are already having problems. It will not get better.

It doesn't matter what she thinks how a man should act. It only matters if you want to deal with that type of relationship. It doesn't sound like it from your posts here.

I agree. She made that comment half jokingly, but there is much truth to it. I can deal with most of our differences, but its that 5% of the time where shit hits the fan. I feel our differences were placed in a magnify glass when she moved to America because she rebelled against American culture in order to keep a piece of Ukraine in her heart.

I am utterly confused because I love the woman. She is a little girl at heart that has had a rough life and has adapted to her surroundings the only way she knows how. It's unfortunate for our love.

[whateverfuckit]

(02-25-2016 03:14 AM)CharlesHustle Wrote:  

I agree. She made that comment half jokingly, but there is much truth to it. I can deal with most of our differences, but its that 5% of the time where shit hits the fan. I feel our differences were placed in a magnify glass when she moved to America because she rebelled against American culture in order to keep a piece of Ukraine in her heart.

I am utterly confused because I love the woman. She is a little girl at heart that has had a rough life and has adapted to her surroundings the only way she knows how. It's unfortunate for our love.

[worldwidetraveler]

(02-25-2016 03:14 AM)CharlesHustle Wrote:  

I am utterly confused because I love the woman. She is a little girl at heart that has had a rough life and has adapted to her surroundings the only way she knows how. It's unfortunate for our love.

Don't make excuses for this woman. Just accept her for her and decide if it is worth that 5% of hell. Personally, there are plenty of women out there to not have to deal with it.

@Whateverfuckit (Special Ed)

You have anything of value to add to this thread? Try adding something instead of stinking it up with bullshit.

[whateverfuckit]

(02-25-2016 03:30 AM)worldwidetraveler Wrote:  

@Whateverfuckit

You have anything of value to add to this thread? Try adding something instead of stinking it up with bullshit.

I've got twice the quality advice written to OP in this thread as you do. Read the thread.

[Merenguero]

(02-25-2016 03:38 AM)whateverfuckit Wrote:  

(02-25-2016 03:30 AM)worldwidetraveler Wrote:  

@Whateverfuckit

You have anything of value to add to this thread? Try adding something instead of stinking it up with bullshit.

I've got twice the quality advice written to OP in this thread as you do. Read the thread.

I'm not so sure this is SpecialEd. He hasn't mentioned other guys' dicks once and hasn't made one anti-Semitic comment.

[LovePotionNo.9]

(02-25-2016 03:38 AM)whateverfuckit Wrote:  

(02-25-2016 03:30 AM)worldwidetraveler Wrote:  

@Whateverfuckit

You have anything of value to add to this thread? Try adding something instead of stinking it up with bullshit.

I've got twice the quality advice written to OP in this thread as you do. Read the thread.

You're not qualified to give any advice. You have absolutely no experience with Ukrainian women.

[whateverfuckit]

(02-25-2016 05:20 AM)LovePotionNo.9 Wrote:  

(02-25-2016 03:38 AM)whateverfuckit Wrote:  

(02-25-2016 03:30 AM)worldwidetraveler Wrote:  

@Whateverfuckit

You have anything of value to add to this thread? Try adding something instead of stinking it up with bullshit.

I've got twice the quality advice written to OP in this thread as you do. Read the thread.

You're not qualified to give any advice. You have absolutely no experience with Ukrainian women.

This has moved far beyond any particular demographic of woman.

OP is putting pussy on a pedestal. It really doesn't matter what race she is, or what country she hails from. She's 2 years older, a "dancer", and lives across the world. She's also materialistic and doesn't really want to move.

OP is in way over his head, and the sad thing is, he has no idea. He still thinks he's "more alpha than beta" yet he's reading books on "Love languages" and talking about how he doesn't know what to do and it's not her fault because "She is a little girl at heart that has had a rough life and has adapted to her surroundings the only way she knows how."

He's making excuses for shitty behavior, his own life is not in order. This girl could be Princess Diana, it wouldn't change a damn thing. He needs to hit the eject button yesterday.

I don't need any experience with Ukrainian women to tell him that. Anyone whos slept with a marginal number of women and who has eyes and an IQ above 90 could figure it out.

OP doesn't need advice on Ukrainian women. He needs to read the forum, learn better INNER game and figure out who HE is, instead of worrying about some broad living halfway across the world who's obsessed with social media and money.

That's all that really needs to be said about this topic.

[Constitution45]

Agreed, be honest with yourself man. Ukrainian or not it doesn't matter. Think about her and your relationship seriously and objectively, not with your heart or penis. There is no shame in admitting that you are being taken for a ride, by delaying this realisation, she will lose more and more respect for you and start doing things to show that.

It can be hard to get rid of a hot woman but there are plenty more fish in the sea. If anything it becomes easier after you ditch the hot ones.

[WestIndianArchie]

How'd you forget the God awful accent? How can something be more unsexy than Australian? It's as bad as Dutch or German.

Anyways, you're right about them. Or at least lots of them.

But I didn't have any game at 23-25. What you're really describing is princess syndrome. And that is not only a Ukrainian issue. That's common all over the globe.

In the most basic terms, her sense of reality is greater than yours, and you lack the skill set to break it.

There's still time.

WIA