[Paracelsus]

(03-07-2016 04:16 AM)samsamsam Wrote:  

Paracelsus are you John T. Reed?

No, I just channel his curmudgeonly spirit from its home in California.

[Blaster]

samsamsam Wrote:

I mean Blaster, you took it to the point of slavery in your post. What evidence is there of that? People have choice, they just don't want to deal with the pain of their tough choices. Once the pain gets bad enough, people will act. But it may be a while.

It sounds like you want everyone to have something, that is fine but that moves towards more socialism (we already have medicare and social security and welfare).

Generally, welfare handouts are last on the list of pro-worker issues. Trade protections, immigration laws, unions, minimum wage, and transportation infrastructure are all important. Also, pro-consumer issues sometimes overlap with pro-worker issues, though not always.

[polar]

This is what I love about this forum.

A lot of audiences, when prompted with a thoughtful article, will degrade in a spiral of opposing viewpoints, ad hominems, and vitriol.

We do the opposite here. From an article detailing a foolish young woman's self-imposed problems, we went to an in-depth discussion of economic policy.

My RVF rule to discussions: the probability of a thoughtful discussion in any given thread is directly proportional to the number of posts, and approaches 1.*

*(jury is out on the Delete thread)

[RoastBeefCurtains4Me]

(03-07-2016 01:07 PM)polar Wrote:  

This is what I love about this forum.

A lot of audiences, when prompted with a thoughtful article, will degrade in a spiral of opposing viewpoints, ad hominems, and vitriol.

We do the opposite here. From an article detailing a foolish young woman's self-imposed problems, we went to an in-depth discussion of economic policy.

My RVF rule to discussions: the probability of a thoughtful discussion in any given thread is directly proportional to the number of posts, and approaches 1.*

*(jury is out on the Delete thread)

I expect the delete thread to evolve from a discussion of Paracelus's reign to the topic of enlightened leadership in general

[R Smoov]

I stopped when I read English Major.

None of us have the time to hear a bitch complain for 20 paragraphs.

[Off The Reservation]

Talia Jane's twin that she never knew she had lives in Caracas. Although they are not blood relatives they share the same thinking.

Talia Jane's twin sat around one day thinking... "The government should just print money and give it to me. How dare my boss have the gall to invest millions of bolivares when I can't pay my Movil comfortably." So the government gives in to the demands and prints piles of money. After-all no one will notice the extra. "A Bolivares is strong and will always be strong because it is named after our greatest revolutionary leader, Simon." But something totally unexpected happens: The printed money then becomes worthless and will not buy anything because her boss and the other robber-barrons just leave. Talia Jane's twin is left with some currency and an even greater hatred for the boss who caused her situation, who is no where to be found. There are piles and piles of the nearly free worthless money. Then temporarily the people feel better, because along with the printing the government used force to fix the prices of basic items like groceries and gas. After-all Talia Jane's twin deserves groceries she can afford. Something happens to her, she becomes the object of pity and the symbol of all the nations disgust at any notion that a girl like this should be held responsible for anything while her boss so flagrantly invests. And he should be ashamed of flying private might I add, while she has no bread.

But then the price fixing results in shortages, the shelves are emptied, and Talia Jane's Venezuelan twin takes to the streets to protest the government officials who stole all the remaining food. The people just resort to killing and robbing each other for those groceries she thinks should be free, because after all they should be free so why not just take them. How dare her dirty poor neighbor have bread and she has none. She competes for the attention of a "real man" who can do something about this situation, and gives a sexy reward to a thug who kills a tourists on a bus for his cell phone. The thug brings home $50 in hard cold cash for the newly robbed Galaxy which buys them bread, alcohol, cigarettes. It's a rough life but they go on a few years like this. The hatred for her former boss who caused all this never dies...

In the end a bloody dictator causes a war and takes over. She loves her leader just as much as she hates her old boss. She would do anything for him.

[fiasco360]

As a "red pill" type of guy, I usually have an similar reaction to these kind of stories. Another entitled person who probably hasn't had to do much in life and complaining about not living a lifestyle they saw in Sex In The City. I often see these same types of girls on Facebook with pictures of "I love my apartment" "I'm in love with this city!!!." I wonder how they are paying for all of that while working 25 hours a week as an office admin assistant. But I digress that is social media.

I see first hand how much incentive is given to minorities and women at the university level, they attempt to make you feel guilty as a white male. These university professors who sit in their intellectual ivory towers propagate this. If they are a professor that is tenured, sure they are making about 6 figures and can live a relatively decent lifestyle, but their ideologies are still SJWesque. Add this to the fact that curriculum can be at the whim of just a lecturer, whom is disgruntled that they are making $40,000 a year with a masters or doctorate.

This is starting to bleed into the hard sciences and engineering now, it kind of sucks. We are constantly reminded that "more women need to enter the workforce" or just the constant praising of females for just simply choosing the major, never mind if they are terrible students (well actually I've seen plenty of them get their grades inflated.) Those girls are often rewarded jobs though because they are female and managed to live through the major.

With that being said, as a older millennial, I do feel slightly different. We were pretty much told that college was the meal ticket in life. As long as we work hard and pay attention, it will turn out well. My dad was an immigrant to this country, coming from a war torn area and although my mom is WASP, they both stressed education heavily since they didn't go to college. Combine that with the media, school counselors and universities actively recruiting, it was hard to think otherwise. Plus I saw it first hand, before graduating high school, people who were 5-10 years older than me doing really well and living it up with their good jobs.

I cringe a bit when the "good old generation" calls all of us entitled and says they were able to work and go to school, come out with no debt and buy a house before 30. I worked most of my way through school, joined many clubs, kept in good shape, still did community service and studied. I went to a junior college, where the counselors were terrible and cost me an extra year or two due to classes that didn't transfer. I lived at home and wasn't a crazy spender, I drove a car with 230,000 miles. Did all that during my undergraduate years studying physics and economics. My physics professors told our class that it will be easy to find a job with our degrees because they are one of the hardest to get - they were out of date and wrong.

I'm finishing graduate school at a state school now, so my tuition isn't too terrible, but the cost of living and rent is pretty bad. I was struggling to get internships for my engineering discipline, applying to hundreds of positions for both full time and intern level. I even tried volunteering at a local engineering firm but they said they couldn't legally do that. I received nothing for years, now in my last leg of my schooling, I got an offer that was a 2 hour drive for a terrible wage while I'm studying for exit exams and taking a full course load, but I took it just to get something on my resume. With all of that, I do have an appreciable amount of student debt that I will have to pay off in the future.

If I could go back in time, I would have done things differently, but who hasn't said that before.

The guys on this forum like to welcome new red pill folk with open arms. Then they hop on a bandwagon to chastise people in the millennial generation about college or career choices. It's coming from the same place of ignorance. I understand my choices and their repercussions though and will deal with them accordingly but it is still difficult not to feel frustration.

[Captainstabbin]

(03-15-2016 10:04 PM)fiasco360 Wrote:  

I understand my choices and their repercussions though and will deal with them accordingly but it is still difficult not to feel frustration.

Fellow millennial - Everyone gets frustrated, everyone fails a few times before they succeed, but that's not the problem. The problem is that, when most of our fellow millennials don't experience smashing success out of the gate, they complain and try to get the government to force businesses to pay them what they think they're worth (which is wildly inflated) - or force taxpayers to make up the difference.

[samsamsam]

(03-16-2016 12:01 AM)Captainstabbin Wrote:  

(03-15-2016 10:04 PM)fiasco360 Wrote:  

I understand my choices and their repercussions though and will deal with them accordingly but it is still difficult not to feel frustration.

Fellow millennial - Everyone gets frustrated, everyone fails a few times before they succeed, but that's not the problem. The problem is that, when most of our fellow millennials don't experience smashing success out of the gate, they complain and try to get the government to force businesses to pay them what they think they're worth (which is wildly inflated) - or force taxpayers to make up the difference.

fiasco360, I have said this over and over again, but everyone in life regardless of age, race, education, etc. deal with frustrations and regrets in our lives. Anyone who says they do not are just liars. It is just how you find the way to keep pushing forward and having successes in life that push these pains in our life into the shadows.

To expect life not to have its hiccups shows the lack of maturity. And I direct that comment to the men of this forum but also at myself. I grew up with a shitload of success and thought it was all easy. The last few years have been anything but easy.

Imagine your entire life energy. We all have a limited quantity (some have more and some less but we all have a fixed amount). We use that energy to deal with the good and bad in our life. Some of our energy is used just to not go crazy over some bad shit. The more energy tied up in bad shit, the less you have to create and grow. So we all need to find ways to reduce the amount of energy tied into bad shit. So that we can start growing. Once we handle one bad thing, we can do one good thing, eventually it snowballs. Or so I hope!

Hang in there and find a way to push forward.

(03-15-2016 10:04 PM)fiasco360 Wrote:  

Then they hop on a bandwagon to chastise people in the millennial generation about college or career choices. It's coming from the same place of ignorance.

Not true, most guys jump on the guys that belly ache. That whinge, that whine. We all do it and it is fine, it is part of life, but most guys will not give you a hug if your life sucks AND you (generic you) refuse to see what role you played in it. Now if you own it, then you get respect.

If your (generic you) life sucks and you post on this forum with some humility, a shit load of guys will post and be supportive. I would like to think, I would also.

But when the teeth of defensiveness that comes from, what appears to be consistently thin skinned Millennials, because anything that hurts your feelings is a crime, ya - you get jumped. That has to make sense right?

[Dantes]

The problem is that parents of millennials didn't allowed them to fail or take responsibility for their actions. Remember, this is the generation of play dates. Their mothers even arranged for them to hang out with their friends. This upbringing isn't necessiarliy their fault but the value of personal responsibility was not instilled in them. Consequently as adults who ultimately face adversity, they can't persevere and fall flat on their faces.

[Blaster]

(03-16-2016 12:01 AM)Captainstabbin Wrote:  

(03-15-2016 10:04 PM)fiasco360 Wrote:  

I understand my choices and their repercussions though and will deal with them accordingly but it is still difficult not to feel frustration.

Fellow millennial - Everyone gets frustrated, everyone fails a few times before they succeed, but that's not the problem. The problem is that, when most of our fellow millennials don't experience smashing success out of the gate, they complain and try to get the government to force businesses to pay them what they think they're worth (which is wildly inflated) - or force taxpayers to make up the difference.

I just want to be clear that my criticism of the government is entirely about long-term economic policy aimed at reinforcing a stable middle class, not short-term appeasement of millennial frustration. A big part of the millennial pathology is unrealistic expectations, which is the fault of the boomers who raised them. There's not much the government can or should do about that.

[BelyyTigr]

(03-15-2016 10:04 PM)fiasco360 Wrote:  

As a "red pill" type of guy, I usually have an similar reaction to these kind of stories. Another entitled person who probably hasn't had to do much in life and complaining about not living a lifestyle they saw in Sex In The City. I often see these same types of girls on Facebook with pictures of "I love my apartment" "I'm in love with this city!!!." I wonder how they are paying for all of that while working 25 hours a week as an office admin assistant. But I digress that is social media.

I see first hand how much incentive is given to minorities and women at the university level, they attempt to make you feel guilty as a white male. These university professors who sit in their intellectual ivory towers propagate this. If they are a professor that is tenured, sure they are making about 6 figures and can live a relatively decent lifestyle, but their ideologies are still SJWesque. Add this to the fact that curriculum can be at the whim of just a lecturer, whom is disgruntled that they are making $40,000 a year with a masters or doctorate.

This is starting to bleed into the hard sciences and engineering now, it kind of sucks. We are constantly reminded that "more women need to enter the workforce" or just the constant praising of females for just simply choosing the major, never mind if they are terrible students (well actually I've seen plenty of them get their grades inflated.) Those girls are often rewarded jobs though because they are female and managed to live through the major.

With that being said, as a older millennial, I do feel slightly different. We were pretty much told that college was the meal ticket in life. As long as we work hard and pay attention, it will turn out well. My dad was an immigrant to this country, coming from a war torn area and although my mom is WASP, they both stressed education heavily since they didn't go to college. Combine that with the media, school counselors and universities actively recruiting, it was hard to think otherwise. Plus I saw it first hand, before graduating high school, people who were 5-10 years older than me doing really well and living it up with their good jobs.

I cringe a bit when the "good old generation" calls all of us entitled and says they were able to work and go to school, come out with no debt and buy a house before 30. I worked most of my way through school, joined many clubs, kept in good shape, still did community service and studied. I went to a junior college, where the counselors were terrible and cost me an extra year or two due to classes that didn't transfer. I lived at home and wasn't a crazy spender, I drove a car with 230,000 miles. Did all that during my undergraduate years studying physics and economics. My physics professors told our class that it will be easy to find a job with our degrees because they are one of the hardest to get - they were out of date and wrong.

I'm finishing graduate school at a state school now, so my tuition isn't too terrible, but the cost of living and rent is pretty bad. I was struggling to get internships for my engineering discipline, applying to hundreds of positions for both full time and intern level. I even tried volunteering at a local engineering firm but they said they couldn't legally do that. I received nothing for years, now in my last leg of my schooling, I got an offer that was a 2 hour drive for a terrible wage while I'm studying for exit exams and taking a full course load, but I took it just to get something on my resume. With all of that, I do have an appreciable amount of student debt that I will have to pay off in the future.

If I could go back in time, I would have done things differently, but who hasn't said that before.

The guys on this forum like to welcome new red pill folk with open arms. Then they hop on a bandwagon to chastise people in the millennial generation about college or career choices. It's coming from the same place of ignorance. I understand my choices and their repercussions though and will deal with them accordingly but it is still difficult not to feel frustration.

I sort of speed read thro your post but it makes a lot of sense to me.
Anyone claiming to be red pill should follow your sentiments IMO. If not, then IMO they're just an Establishment far righter and NOT red pill.

Yes the woman is a bit tedious and whiny in her crap attempt at "shock journalism". But look at the wider facts of it.
20, 30 years ago there was never this problem. Bachelors degrees in the US are usually thinks like English, much like Britain's A levels. You don't do law or medicine at bachelors level in the US. People would finish uni without large debts, a good job was v easy to get. And housing was very affordable. GRaduates in unskilled coolie jobs, unemployed, nearly homeless, hungry? Fuck off that would happen in Africa NOT the USA or Britain or Germany! Yet times have changed. And some people blame the victim not the corrupt elite.

Something that utterly sickens me is the misuse of the word "entitlement". Acc to the Establishment, if you think a wage of 15 yrs ago (and I don't even mean inflation adjusted!) for a young person is fair, then you are "suffering from entitlement".
If you think having a job is fair they say "you are suffering from entitlement". They idea you have a "disease" that needs to be "cleansed". This is monumentally fucked up. The latest scapegoats are "millenials". Well here's a fucking newsflash, pawns of the Elite, this sort of exploitation of the young was going on since the early/mid 1990s as I can gather. Oxbridge law grads working in McDonalds, streetwise ones not dorks. And the dummies of earlier years were saying "young people, no brains, look at their entitlement".

Whats happened is that decent jobs are now split between males and females (often more go to females). But also, we have exported prosperity to China etc along with jobs. Yet people blame the victims rather than the perpetrators. How bizarre is that? People need to take the red pill and start seeing reality! Because next, they'll be the victim. Their pension will be robbed by a Philip Green, their home by an RBS. And the "experts" will be saying "look at that prick - check out his entitlement".

I went to one of Britain's top law schools, got a v good degree. I started applying for non law degrees in a recession (law was traditionally accepted as one of the best backgrounds for business jobs in Britain). What did I meet? The old school tie of Eton ie class corruption. Or a fat HR woman, obviously wanting a woman, fag or immigrant. Or some very scared jnr manager thinking "that fucker could overtake me in a few years". Result in all cases? No job offer even tho my resume was one of the best around (according to some former recruitment experts).
I could easily have become a very violent criminal after that. And I'm sure a few in my position have. I ended up starting my own business. But I still harbour utter contempt for what was supposedly "my" country.