Quote: (02-25-2016 04:28 PM)Feldeinsamkeit Wrote:
Quote: (02-25-2016 03:58 PM)TooFineAPoint Wrote:
A healthy cycle includes phases of theory/analysis and also of action. If you really believe that you worked on yourself as much as possible, and understand the local women as much as possible, and have hit a ceiling because of something (mostly) out of your control, there's no shame in dusting off your feet and looking for greener pastures.
The rub is of course the "if you really believe" part.
That's a good point you raise, TooFineAPoint. Part of what has held me back in acting on my - admittedly rather pessimistic - analysis of the UK SMP is my belief that there are still avenues that can explored/issues that can be worked on, such that it might materially affect the outcome, such as dress, physique, posture, inner game, et.c. As for the ceiling of which you speak, it resides mostly in my inability to click with the vast majority of women in my locality, centred primarily around the issue of the women here being generally vapid in terms of their lacking interests that I can relate to (especially intellectual), but also deriving from the increasingly self-absorbed and narcissistic tendencies that women here increasingly exhibit.
tl;dr - don't seek women for intellectual discussions, don't overanalyze, OP seems highly analytical so he isn't being defensive in his mind more that the back forth is logical, OP may be better off posting more about his approaches and seeking feedback, probably not the greatest use of energy trying to overanalyze since it doesn't change how women will behave.
Just commenting on the intellectual part. I forgot who or maybe it was many guys on RVF mentioned that you don't seek women for deep intrllectual conversation. You seek out guys to have deep talks abut stuff. Even this thread, which has gone back and forth, has some thinking in it. You generally don't get that from women. Even a couple of women who I actually respect and value as friends, who can engage in a good conversation, will still sometimes just refuse a logical thought.
I have had problems with women for the same thing. After you bang them, then what? Over the last few years I have just pursued my work and other interests and banged an occasional new girl that was willing to work around what I was doing. I didn't make an active effort but now I am trying to take it more seriously since I do want to have a family.
I consider myself analytical but somehow have the ability to see both sides, a real random combination of analysis and understanding but enough about me. Not every person enjoys it for the sake of the experience, the analysis like an analytical person does. But don't let the fun of speculating and theorizing get in the way or make an excuse for not taking action. Regardless if your analysis is correct or not, the market is what it is. If you want it (whatever it is be it money or pussy etc) you have to be willing to pay the price to get it. Maybe you are unwilling to pay the price of rejection (by not going for the number) or while you are talking to a woman you are thinking "what a bag of rocks". Whatever it is, maybe your desire for approaching is being held back by some other thoughts. Thus turning it into some theoretical discussion helps the ego minimize the lack of success.
While my advice I am about to offer seems simple and often the standard RVF answer it makes sense. Be the best man you can be (tons of threads and different aspects to do this), approach, don't take it personal and it is a numbers game. I know the last point ties to the point before it. So no need to analyze my redundancy
Keep mind you are getting feedback from all different perspectives. Some guys who can't see your perspective, some who can and some who can see both sides. This next comment isn't to try to make you feel better or insult the guys who have been good enough to post on your thread. But we are all good and bad at different things. I have met a lot of accomplished people in different aspects of their lives. But they were also trainwrecks in certain parts - now they may not admit it or not see it but the damage was evident to everyone around them. I am sure you could teach people in RVF something about something. But you are discussing meeting chicks and ultimately slipping them the hot beef injection. The more experienced guys (on this topic and not me) are telling you overthinking it doesn't help. So I would take that to heart.
As I mentioned earlier, I appreciate thoughtful discussions and analysis, but do something. And you have through approaching. Maybe time would be better spent breaking down your approaches and asking some of the fine gentlemen of RVF help you with that.
Maybe some of the analysis has created or escalated some fear which may be irrational. What I mean by that is analytical people generally see the entire playing field which causes them to see potential obstacles. By seeing the potential obstacles, you may discount yourself before even trying. You may want to know if you have won before you have played the game. And because dating is a personal thing instead of a business transaction (or something with less attachment) the fear may get amplified.
For the guys responding, my experience of the OP is that he is trying to date. From other people's perspective he may be overanalyzing it, but this is normal for him. Also, if he is as analytical as I think it means every point will have a counter point. Just the way it is. They don't consider it defensive, just logical. It isn't meant to be dismissive to the OP, it just means for those engaging I wouldn't get upset or escalate the tone unnecessarily. Just how the world is seen by them. And remember we all interpret information through our perspective/filters. Someone mentioned that the OP had, I think something along an arrogant tone or something. Personally, I didn't see it that way. Same data, different interpretations. And ultimately, if it gets too frustrating just stop posting on the thread. But sometimes what we think is so obvious isn't to another person and in our frustration we want to smash the point into them. I have been guilty of that myself - "Don't you know you are a fucking idiot!"
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Best of luck OP.
Fate whispers to the warrior, "You cannot withstand the storm." And the warrior whispers back, "I am the storm."
Women and children can be careless, but not men - Don Corleone
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