[Saweeep]

^^^

Economic and cultural decline are not one and the same thing.

For sure, the City continues to prosper as the Capital of the Financial World. Of that there is no doubt. Mercifully so, for how else could successive governments continue to piss taxpayers' money up the wall without its contribution?

However, when I read that the Cockney language is on the verge of extinction, that in 2011 62% of children in London were born to a foreign parent, that there are 415 Mosques in London alone, I mourn for the cultural loss of my capital city.

Nobody needs to drink any KoolAid to notice that London is no longer as it was.

I don't recall growing up hearing about people having their heads chopped off in the streets or there being "sharia zones". Or Arabs running around thinking they are above the law (even though it's true).

Of course, if you are happy and feel that the changes are overall a positive thing...that's your prerogative.

[nomadbrah]

(01-25-2016 02:01 PM)WarMachine Wrote:  

Let me echo this 100. I live in London, born and raised. There is no decline. For me this is sensationalist anti-islamic/anti-immigrant KoolAid of the sweetest and most addictive flavour.

Some don't even know they're drinking it.

The open secret is that the man with his small building business is hiring these immigrants for less than minimum wage, some of them sleep 8 to a room, paying no tax. Landlords welcome the guaranteed rentals, and they don't even have to renovate to accommodate these people.

Why would they come here if they didn't know they could work, or sometimes "recruited" as cheap labour?

The English businessman / businesses do very, very well out of immigration.

I was in South London for an interview in the summer.

There was not a single white face.

It looked like Pakistan.

[262]

Assuming the status quo remains (pick your evil - immigrants, socialism or capitalism [apparently], feminism, etc) -

What can you do to improve your lot in life right now?

[rudebwoy]

(01-25-2016 02:21 PM)CrashBangWallop Wrote:  

^^^

Economic and cultural decline are not one and the same thing.

For sure, the City continues to prosper as the Capital of the Financial World. Of that there is no doubt. Mercifully so, for how else could successive governments continue to piss taxpayers' money up the wall without its contribution?

However, when I read that the Cockney language is on the verge of extinction, that in 2011 62% of children in London were born to a foreign parent, that there are 415 Mosques in London alone, I mourn for the cultural loss of my capital city.

Nobody needs to drink any KoolAid to notice that London is no longer as it was.

I don't recall growing up hearing about people having their heads chopped off in the streets or there being "sharia zones". Or Arabs running around thinking they are above the law (even though it's true).

Of course, if you are happy and feel that the changes are overall a positive thing...that's your prerogative.

I grew up in London in the 70s, trust me those days I wouldn't trade for anything.

I never even heard the word Muslim or even saw one, we had one teacher that was Indian and maybe one student that was Indian. I was the token black kid in the school, never had any problems.

I am a son of immigrant family, who moved to the UK for a better life. No one never gave them anything and they never took a day off work. Christ my old man use to work Saturdays as well for extra money, so some of you younger guys need to understand not all immigrants are bad.

[frenchcorporation]

(01-25-2016 02:31 PM)nomadbrah Wrote:  

(01-25-2016 02:01 PM)WarMachine Wrote:  

Let me echo this 100. I live in London, born and raised. There is no decline. For me this is sensationalist anti-islamic/anti-immigrant KoolAid of the sweetest and most addictive flavour.

Some don't even know they're drinking it.

The open secret is that the man with his small building business is hiring these immigrants for less than minimum wage, some of them sleep 8 to a room, paying no tax. Landlords welcome the guaranteed rentals, and they don't even have to renovate to accommodate these people.

Why would they come here if they didn't know they could work, or sometimes "recruited" as cheap labour?

The English businessman / businesses do very, very well out of immigration.

I was in South London for an interview in the summer.

There was not a single white face.

It looked like Pakistan.

one morning/afternoon vs over 2 decades of observation

Ok then.

[Saweeep]

(01-25-2016 03:06 PM)rudebwoy Wrote:  

(01-25-2016 02:21 PM)CrashBangWallop Wrote:  

^^^

Economic and cultural decline are not one and the same thing.

For sure, the City continues to prosper as the Capital of the Financial World. Of that there is no doubt. Mercifully so, for how else could successive governments continue to piss taxpayers' money up the wall without its contribution?

However, when I read that the Cockney language is on the verge of extinction, that in 2011 62% of children in London were born to a foreign parent, that there are 415 Mosques in London alone, I mourn for the cultural loss of my capital city.

Nobody needs to drink any KoolAid to notice that London is no longer as it was.

I don't recall growing up hearing about people having their heads chopped off in the streets or there being "sharia zones". Or Arabs running around thinking they are above the law (even though it's true).

Of course, if you are happy and feel that the changes are overall a positive thing...that's your prerogative.

I grew up in London in the 70s, trust me those days I wouldn't trade for anything.

I never even heard the word Muslim or even saw one, we had one teacher that was Indian and maybe one student that was Indian. I was the token black kid in the school, never had any problems.

I am a son of immigrant family, who moved to the UK for a better life. No one never gave them anything and they never took a day off work. Christ my old man use to work Saturdays as well for extra money, so some of you younger guys need to understand not all immigrants are bad.

My Father is Irish. My girlfriend half Nigerian. My oldest friend some strange Indian/Trinidadian mix. I have no issues with immigration in general as long as it doesn't come in constant and ever increasing waves.

Islam is what I have a problem with.

[H1N1]

Ye my experience living in London mirrors CBW and Nomadbrah.

FC, if you don't mind me asking, what do you consider a poor background? When I lived in London, I boxed in a pretty rough gym in the North East, where guys really didn't have a pot to piss in, and I can tell you for certain that these guys did not come from the kind of background that would ever see them 'partying abroad on their own dime every weekend'. Most of them did have jobs, in construction, scaffolding, etc. Most of them were concerned about getting enough work to feed their families, staying off the dole, and staying out of trouble. No one other than me had been to university, one guy had gone on to study at sixth form (ie had not left school at 16). Most of them (white guys and 3rd/4th gen black guys alike) were pissed off that recent immigrants were taking a lot of the good jobs.

FC and Warmachine, you are talking past CBW. He is (and others are too) very clearly talking about cultural decline, not economic decline. You talk of all the middle class white guys filling Shoreditch and similar places. What you clearly don't observe, perhaps because you are insulated from that reality, is: who is running all the small businesses serving food to these guys? Who is driving all the buses? Who is working the doors? Who owns the shisha bars and the coffee shops and the Polish cafes (the last one was a gimme)? You talk about gentrification, but only because you don't actually know a distinct British culture, just this melting pot of cultures. There are an awful lot of black guys, descendants of the Jamaicans we invited over to fill the labour shortage, who are 3rd or 4th gen and fucking pissed off about the loss of the culture and opportunities they were promised.

Just because you can make a few quid, and perhaps don't place much stock in the concept and ideals of Englishness (again, see someone like Chris Eubank for a good example of how this is more complicated than a simple black/white thing), does not mean something unique, wonderful and superior to what we have now has not already been lost.

[Saweeep]

(01-25-2016 03:08 PM)frenchcorporation Wrote:  

(01-25-2016 02:31 PM)nomadbrah Wrote:  

(01-25-2016 02:01 PM)WarMachine Wrote:  

Let me echo this 100. I live in London, born and raised. There is no decline. For me this is sensationalist anti-islamic/anti-immigrant KoolAid of the sweetest and most addictive flavour.

Some don't even know they're drinking it.

The open secret is that the man with his small building business is hiring these immigrants for less than minimum wage, some of them sleep 8 to a room, paying no tax. Landlords welcome the guaranteed rentals, and they don't even have to renovate to accommodate these people.

Why would they come here if they didn't know they could work, or sometimes "recruited" as cheap labour?

The English businessman / businesses do very, very well out of immigration.

I was in South London for an interview in the summer.

There was not a single white face.

It looked like Pakistan.

one morning/afternoon vs over 2 decades of observation

Ok then.

His observation is as valid as yours.

[Lime]

(01-24-2016 04:08 PM)Hotwheels Wrote:  

(01-23-2016 04:32 PM)Foolsgo1d Wrote:  

London is foreign? Nothing new except the fact the whole picture is hidden from people. The City of London however is as white can be, with a sprinkling of international tastes. These people live just outside London or in fortified castles near where they work or around similar people. The well off do not mingle with the river of filth that flows through their beloved city.

If the City of London were to suffer a catastrophe and was unable to weather a huge economic storm, the area of Greater London would devour itself from the socialist policies that has been allowed to flourish under it. Wealth would flow outwards, crime would sky rocket and white flight would take hold.

The rest of GB Plc would follow London into the blackhole. Criminality in London is nothing new but the style of gangland violence would be different. Third world savagery coupled with criminality is what creates real fear in people, not just simple strete muggings.

So London is following the path of Detroit?

No, because London obviously is a more diversified economy than Detroit was.


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[El Chinito loco]

The primary issue with immigration is and always will be assimilation. Multiculturalism that liberals are always bleating on about is the antithesis of assimilation.

You can't have it both ways, it's impossible.

It's even debatable whether or not immigration works in the long run if the appearance and culture of the people immigrating is extremely different. I'm speaking of this from the point of view of someone born from very recent immigrants myself. I'm a firm believer that homogenous societies still function better overall and last longer. The monster of identity politics and the wacky internal turmoil of many minorities in anglo countries is just a reminder that multiculturalism is extremely flawed and is damaging for both the host culture and the people immigrating into it.

You definitely can't assimilate masses from a third world foreign shithole especially when they form their own little medieval style enclaves and enact their 12th century tribal primitive laws. Their entire mindset is undeveloped and past the point of assimilation to begin with. Immigration as a concept can function as a flawed policy when it's done at the minimum but when there is zero respect for the host culture and people then it becomes an absolute disaster.

[nomadbrah]

Let me expand somewhat on my London experience.

I've been to London several times as a tourist. I absolutely love the city, even the nightlife (Camden Town was great) and the women - which with my background and certain cultural trends was right on cue.

That's the face of London, but even then I noticed something quite wrong. I drove through Belgravia and its famous white properties, most of them owned by the Grosvenor family. It went on and on, such astronomical wealth flaunted with no humility at all.

Then that extreme contrast to South London slums of immigrants. The long beards, the hijabs, the run down streets. I had a job offer on the go which likely could have landed me 5-6K GBP or so, but just seeing the workplace, with its cubicle lifestyle, the 'manager or bust' mantra with its extremely grim neighborhood it made me realise that London is - as someone else wrote - exactly the kind of dystopic city the elite likely imagines as its blueprint.

You have the 1% flaunting their extreme wealth with no abandon, you have your plebs/immigrants as an ever present threat to the decreasing middle class (of which I would be), who compete viciously with each other to become 'manager' with the ever present fear of devolving into pleb status.

I've seen that kind of societal structure before in Asia. It is feudal society in modern wrapping.

[El Chinito loco]

(01-25-2016 04:08 PM)nomadbrah Wrote:  

I've seen that kind of societal structure before in Asia. It is feudal society in modern wrapping.

It's definitely a regression to feudalism. It's easier to import serfs and mash labor down until it costs almost nothing. "Let them eat cake" is definitely the mentality with the elite. With the U.K. it might actually even be easier to go back to a form of accepted feudalism because of imbedded classism too.

When it gets real bad you'll know because even mid level positions in society will be occupied by generational money. It'll all be nepotism and corruption to get anything done in society.

It won't look like asia but more like Latin America because besides increasing class stratification you'll also have racial/tribal stratification. It's a really bad combination that will just get worse as time goes by.

[Samseau]

Tons of bad arguments in this thread, not to mention straight up self-refuting arguments.

rudebwoy:

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^ So when large Corporations outsource their jobs overseas, isn't that Capitalism.

Bringing in illegal immigrants and having them cut your lawn for $10 for 4 mexicans, isn't that Capitalism.

Shipping your manufacturing overseas, isn't that Capitalism.

Large Corporations only hiring contract workers and refusing to pay benefits, isn't that Capitalism.

Outsourcing jobs to prison workers, paying them 0.97cents per DAY and charging them $5.00/hr to make a call - isn't that Capitalism.

Maybe you can explain it better than your pet shop example, but Corporations making Billions and yet finding more ways to pay the workers less and less. Sounds like Capital-ism to me.

As for Trump, the big Corporations are paying him to do their bidding. You really think he is going to upset that apple cart or go against the hand that feeds him.

No, this isn't capitalism it is slavery. Slavery is not capitalism, because capitalism relies on freedom of contracts. These immigrants have zero chances to negotiate higher wages in virtue of being in a location with no political rights (no voting power), so they are forced to work for whatever scraps the slavers give them.

Slavery is not capitalism, go to any libertarian website and you can learn this for free.

As for Trump, he has explicitly said he has turned down money from all rich donors and no one has turned up anything to prove the contrary. Unless you have evidence to prove Trump is taking money on the sly, no one has any reason to believe you.

Quote:

Trump is talking about forcing Apple to make their products in America.

How feasible is that, considering their products are being made in slave factories in China thar are surronded with suicide nets!

Google, "Tariff." It's very easy to shut down the slave system. America, by the way, has been the best country in the world at ending slavery in the modern era, just like Christians have been historically.

CodyB:

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Quote:

Dickens' london was a shithole as well.

Rampant poverty in >75% of the population
Child Labour
Widespread Disease
Rape, Murder etc. widespread
Rampant deportation due to penal colonies

Except the poor in London had a higher standard of living compared to 90% of world at the time, as medicine and technology was shit back then. So really, it wasn't even close to a shithole and you present a false analogy.

Moma:

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Quote:

So he says, get the Mexicans out on the podium but he will not deport Carlos because where else can he enjoy to buy those horrible toupees costing tuppence hahahahaha!

Trump's hair is real. 4 seconds of googling would have told you that, but apparently you're the kind of guy who believes everything he learns from his cucked media and schools. What happened to thinking for yourself and researching your shitty media? I guess that's not a strong trait outside of America. Thinking for yourself and being number #1: I guess that's why America will stay there for the foreseeable future.


War Machine:

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Quote:

Let me echo this 100. I live in London, born and raised. There is no decline. For me this is sensationalist anti-islamic/anti-immigrant KoolAid of the sweetest and most addictive flavour.

Some don't even know they're drinking it.

The open secret is that the man with his small building business is hiring these immigrants for less than minimum wage, some of them sleep 8 to a room, paying no tax. Landlords welcome the guaranteed rentals, and they don't even have to renovate to accommodate these people.

"There is no decline, we just a city of millions where 8 people sleep per room working as slaves."

Gotcha bro. I can see why London has such a great future now!


CrashBangWallop:

Quote:

For sure, the City continues to prosper as the Capital of the Financial World. Of that there is no doubt. Mercifully so, for how else could successive governments continue to piss taxpayers' money up the wall without its contribution?

Your city is not prospering economically, do not be deceived. The guys who argue for slavery in London have no idea what they are talking about.

Slavery ALWAYS ends with a slave revolt and destruction of the host culture. From Assyria to Egypt to Sparta to Rome to the first Islamic caliphates, they always end in the same way.

Moreover, slavery destroys the abilities of the host culture to produce and fend for itself, which is why the US South lost to the US North in the Civil War. The South relied on slaves while the North produced for itself. The North was able to sustain itself through the war while the South could not maintain their slaves and army at the same time.

Anyone who argues for open borders is defending the evil of slavery. It is not defensible by any metric, and it weakens the host nation and makes it prey to other self-sufficient non-slave nations.

Trump is going to put huge tariffs against other countries to stop sweat-shops and build a wall to stop US companies from importing slaves via "illegal immigration." It will be the best thing to happen to the USA since we ended the first slave system in 1864.

[Moma]

Samseau, if he has finally thrown away that godawful toupee, he is using Mexican Made hair plugs.

[Saweeep]

London most certainly props up the Govt's spending.

To suggest otherwise is ridiculous.

[It_is_my_time]

(01-25-2016 05:42 PM)Moma Wrote:  

Samseau, if he has finally thrown away that godawful toupee, he is using Mexican Made hair plugs.

So are you a Hillary/Bernie/feminist voter?

[rudebwoy]

(01-25-2016 05:38 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

No, this isn't capitalism it is slavery. Slavery is not capitalism, because capitalism relies on freedom of contracts. These immigrants have zero chances to negotiate higher wages in virtue of being in a location with no political rights (no voting power), so they are forced to work for whatever scraps the slavers give them.

Slavery is not capitalism, go to any libertarian website and you can learn this for free.

Samseau - time to come out of your basement bro!

Slavery and Capitalism

http://chronicle.com/article/SlaveryCapitalism/150787

How Slavery gave start to Capitalism

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/20...start.html

How Slaves built American Capitalism

http://www.counterpunch.org/2015/12/18/h...apitalism/

BTW - Slavery never ended in America, it is now called the Industrial Prison Complex. I am too lazy to post a video, but I can if you would like to see it.

[Moma]

(01-25-2016 05:46 PM)It_is_my_time Wrote:  

(01-25-2016 05:42 PM)Moma Wrote:  

Samseau, if he has finally thrown away that godawful toupee, he is using Mexican Made hair plugs.

So are you a Hillary/Bernie/feminist voter?

You would make as good a president as any. They make no difference to me. My point is not about being against Trump, my point is that I find it funny that you think he will make any difference. Arnold Schwarzenegger didn't go against the grain so why should Trump go against the grain besides that thing he has sown into his skull?

[It_is_my_time]

(01-25-2016 05:52 PM)Moma Wrote:  

(01-25-2016 05:46 PM)It_is_my_time Wrote:  

(01-25-2016 05:42 PM)Moma Wrote:  

Samseau, if he has finally thrown away that godawful toupee, he is using Mexican Made hair plugs.

So are you a Hillary/Bernie/feminist voter?

You would make as good a president as any. They make no difference to me. My point is not about being against Trump, my point is that I find it funny that you think he will make any difference. Arnold Schwarzenegger didn't go against the grain so why should Trump go against the grain besides that thing he has sown into his skull?

I have no idea if Trump will make a difference or not. None of us do, none of us can read the future.

What we do know is that Trump is the only candidate speaking on the issues that affect Americans the most. Which is why so many are hopeful he can get into office, it nothing else, to send a message to DC that we are on to them.

Why you and Rubeboy are spending so much time dissing him, in a thread about London, is still a mystery. I don't think anyone here has said that when Trump wins everything will be solved overnight.

[Moma]

It_is_my_time, I am not attacking Trump by any means, forgive me if it seems that way. I do say that the London thing with immigrants is about cheap labour, the same way the Mexicans and other immigrant thing is in America.

[It_is_my_time]

(01-25-2016 06:03 PM)Moma Wrote:  

It_is_my_time, I am not attacking Trump by any means, forgive me if it seems that way. I do say that the London thing with immigrants is about cheap labour, the same way the Mexicans and other immigrant thing is in America.

Yep, combined with pushing feminism on the existing citizens so the women stop having children. It is all about crushing the middle class and a return to the days of royalty and serfs.

[Samseau]

(01-25-2016 05:51 PM)rudebwoy Wrote:  

(01-25-2016 05:38 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

No, this isn't capitalism it is slavery. Slavery is not capitalism, because capitalism relies on freedom of contracts. These immigrants have zero chances to negotiate higher wages in virtue of being in a location with no political rights (no voting power), so they are forced to work for whatever scraps the slavers give them.

Slavery is not capitalism, go to any libertarian website and you can learn this for free.

Samseau - time to come out of your basement bro!

Slavery and Capitalism

http://chronicle.com/article/SlaveryCapitalism/150787

How Slavery gave start to Capitalism

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/20...start.html

How Slaves built American Capitalism

http://www.counterpunch.org/2015/12/18/h...apitalism/

BTW - Slavery never ended in America, it is now called the Industrial Prison Complex. I am too lazy to post a video, but I can if you would like to see it.

Again, if slavery was viable as capitalism it would have beaten the North in the Civil War. Not to mention the hundreds of other slave countries that have died because slavery isn't as strong as a pure capitalistic system that is built upon strong property and human rights.

Don't let the deluded persuade you on how capitalism works or what makes it strong. Capitalism benefits the majority of individuals which creates a strong society because everyone is self-sufficient, whereas slavery reduces most men to peons and renders a society weak and unfit for worldwide competition.

And, oh yes, I'm typing this from my basement.... hahaha.

[rudebwoy]

^ We are all slaves in some form or another.

Wage slaves, tax slaves, Mortgage slaves, Corporate slaves, Pussy slaves etc etc

Travel dude, the world ain't all that bad. You might find somewhere you like, void of muslims.

[Brian Shima]

(01-25-2016 06:48 PM)rudebwoy Wrote:  

Travel dude, the world ain't all that bad. You might find somewhere you like, void of muslims.

LOL okay that was to good..

[Teedub]

(01-25-2016 03:11 PM)H1N1 Wrote:  

Just because you can make a few quid, and perhaps don't place much stock in the concept and ideals of Englishness (again, see someone like Chris Eubank for a good example of how this is more complicated than a simple black/white thing

Exactly. Chris Eubank is a great example that what is wrong with society isn't racial, it's cultural. That's not to say I'd like an England where white people were a minority, but people like him are certainly not the problem. A lot of the 'alt-right' hatred towards Roosh on Twitter, for example, is ridiculous in-fighting, which I'd expect from the left, not us. Roosh wouldn't look out of place in rural France, never mind Spain or Italy. But arguments about who is or isn't white are ridiculous anyway, considering Conor Mcgregor would have been seen as 'non-white' 100 years ago in the US and parts of England. Hence mine and speakeasy's arguments against the whole 'Latino' thing. Anyway, I'm going off-topic...the problem in England is political Islam and immigration from Pakistan/refugees from aforementioned places.

Whether it's capitalist-globalism or leftist-pathological altruism (it's both) causing it is within the realm of debate, but this purity nonsense is just a detraction from real issues and quite frankly a dangerous distraction with what we're facing.