[WestIndianArchie]

#red_pill_problems

Salute!

[Zerdame]

I would say Singapore since you would be LIVING and WORKING. 1 SGD to 3 Ringgit, I would rather you head to KL for vacation and get your money's worth partying, its only a short 1 hour flight and USD80. KL is alot alot cheaper but not as safe, clean and alot more corrupted, good luck driving around during festive seasons and not get summons as 'duit kopi' (coffee money) for the traffic police. Since you're going to be in two boring cities, you might as well choose the one that you wouldn't be bored AND robbed. Also, Singapore would be a good place to meet real rollers with potential personal development and investment opportunities for you since you're in one of the busiest international trading cities in the world.

KL would be great for shopping international brands(due to the weakening Ringgit) , picking girls from provinces and cheap food, everything that sounds like a vacation city.

[worldtraveler3]

Problem is that he's on the same salary for both cities.

I wouldn't be too concerned about Malays being taken up or abit less safe. If you are working there you will most likely be in an expat neibouhood with a good pad set up. Using uber etc. chances of you getting robbed or stuff like that are significantly lower in Asia than South America.
Hot girls will be there in either city if you go out and about. And it's not like you are looking only for a 9 to wife up, girls come and go all the time.

What does matter is what your future plans are, there are probably more networking opportunities in SG and you are able to meet more people from different industries but in KL you might as well meet people in your industry which is more relevant and to the point. KL is still a big city in sea and it's not like you are going to a small town in Sumatra.

[Roardog]

(01-09-2016 08:43 AM)Suits Wrote:  

We need to properly celebrate the fact that you are getting the fuck out of Australia.

Haha Truth to that!
Although this will be my 4th time living outside of Australia in my adult life. I've previously lived in England, Italy and China. However as I'll be doing at least 2 years, possible 3 or more, this time it will be the longest.

(01-09-2016 06:38 PM)Cyclone Wrote:  

(01-07-2016 03:13 AM)Roardog Wrote:  

Gentlemen I need your advice.

I am a 29 year old white male and

Singapore
.

Thanks for your input but could you provide your reasoning?

(01-10-2016 01:49 AM)Zerdame Wrote:  

I would say Singapore since you would be LIVING and WORKING. 1 SGD to 3 Ringgit, I would rather you head to KL for vacation and get your money's worth partying, its only a short 1 hour flight and USD80. KL is alot alot cheaper but not as safe, clean and alot more corrupted, good luck driving around during festive seasons and not get summons as 'duit kopi' (coffee money) for the traffic police. Since you're going to be in two boring cities, you might as well choose the one that you wouldn't be bored AND robbed. Also, Singapore would be a good place to meet real rollers with potential personal development and investment opportunities for you since you're in one of the busiest international trading cities in the world.

KL would be great for shopping international brands(due to the weakening Ringgit) , picking girls from provinces and cheap food, everything that sounds like a vacation city.

My salary is the same no matter which city I am in so money wise KL makes more sense as my money will go a lot further there compared to SG.

SG would be better for general networking however no real difference between the two as far as specifically related to my industry as I'm not in anything finance related.

[worldtraveler3]

Bear in mind that for the money you saved in KL you could be saving up for a deposit for a property back in Australia or start investing in other stuff. This could prove beneficial if you do end up in Australia in a few years time or eventually when you are older or just having it as a side investmentback home.

[Roardog]

(01-11-2016 08:34 PM)worldtraveler3 Wrote:  

Bear in mind that for the money you saved in KL you could be saving up for a deposit for a property back in Australia or start investing in other stuff. This could prove beneficial if you do end up in Australia in a few years time or eventually when you are older or just having it as a side investmentback home.

That's something quite a number of people are raising. My boss did 3 years in KL and says I should go there to get the most bang for my buck and save up lots of money.
I'll be on a good wicket, $100k+, free accommodation and a car allowance which I can't imagine I'll even use so will just pocket.

[Svoboda]

@OP
Does the company provide housing? Or do you have to pay for it?

[Roardog]

(01-12-2016 03:35 PM)Svoboda Wrote:  

@OP
Does the company provide housing? Or do you have to pay for it?

My company will pay me both a housing and a car allowance, on top of my salary, rather than directly supplying either. So I can choose to spend it all, spend more or spend less.
I don't know how much it will be yet but judging by what expats get when they come to Australia it's enough to get you a decent pad in a good part of town.
Getting a place with good logistics will be a key concern wherever I end up.

[Svoboda]

(01-12-2016 07:07 PM)Roardog Wrote:  

(01-12-2016 03:35 PM)Svoboda Wrote:  

@OP
Does the company provide housing? Or do you have to pay for it?

My company will pay me both a housing and a car allowance, on top of my salary, rather than directly supplying either. So I can choose to spend it all, spend more or spend less.
I don't know how much it will be yet but judging by what expats get when they come to Australia it's enough to get you a decent pad in a good part of town.
Getting a place with good logistics will be a key concern wherever I end up.

It's a hard choice. How important is it to own/drive a care?
If you consider not having a car KL loses some of it's financial edge, and SG has great public transport and taxis are close to 0% shady. If you want to drive/own a car (in KL you might be able to get a car + driver), SG has some of the highest "taxes" in the world on car ownership.


Costs of living: KL

Outdoor activities within the city: SG

Women: SG, but not by a big margin, and unless you're already in the top your value will be higher in KL.

Party: SG

People and politics: KL/SG this is a hard one as Malaysia has a bit of an apartheid regime (pro Malay, anti Chinese Malaysians, pro Muslim anti non Muslim). You mentioned you prefer Asians that are fair skinned, so I'll assume you'll be targeting Chinese Malaysians more than Malays, Chinese Malaysian women are some of the nicest Chinese (origin) women in the world. I'm not saying non of them are status/money obsessed, but I think less than Singaporeans. And I met many Singaporean dudes that are complete nerds and very beta.
If you get easily annoyed by Muslims, KL is not for you.
Both countries are essentially one party states, with the difference that SG government is quite pragmatic and effective and SG is in some ways the best run city in the world. Though Malaysia is politically messed up, KL is still run 10 times better than Jakarta, or even 5 times better than Bangkok.

Lifestyle with an income of a 10.000 dollars a month: KL you'll be able to live like a king and potentially penetrate the higher echelon of society, in SG you'll be a great catch, and can have a great time, but you're not partying at Pangea (expensive club) every weekend (estimate, since I've never been to Pangea).

Keep us updated when you've made your choice.

[Theaceofspades]

I'm Aussie and have lived in Singapore for 4 years, its a great place. Great lifestyle, easy to get around and everyones friendly.
And its not boring, but if u really get stuck, just get a cheap flight out every 6 weeks to BKK or Bali.
Sure accomodation is expensive(more than Sydney), and so is alcohol(at decent bars), but tax is only an average of 15%! You wont need a car, taxis and trains are dirt cheap.
Ive never had issues snagging local chicks.
Not sure about KL tax, been a few times there but not a fan, seems stuck in the past, always focused on race and religion.

Message me if any of you folks in Singapore want to catchup.

[worldtraveler3]

You don't need 10,000 dollars a month to live like a king in KL. 5000 is enough.

[Roardog]

(01-13-2016 04:43 AM)Svoboda Wrote:  

(01-12-2016 07:07 PM)Roardog Wrote:  

(01-12-2016 03:35 PM)Svoboda Wrote:  

@OP
Does the company provide housing? Or do you have to pay for it?

My company will pay me both a housing and a car allowance, on top of my salary, rather than directly supplying either. So I can choose to spend it all, spend more or spend less.
I don't know how much it will be yet but judging by what expats get when they come to Australia it's enough to get you a decent pad in a good part of town.
Getting a place with good logistics will be a key concern wherever I end up.

It's a hard choice. How important is it to own/drive a care?
If you consider not having a car KL loses some of it's financial edge, and SG has great public transport and taxis are close to 0% shady. If you want to drive/own a car (in KL you might be able to get a car + driver), SG has some of the highest "taxes" in the world on car ownership.


Costs of living: KL

Outdoor activities within the city: SG

Women: SG, but not by a big margin, and unless you're already in the top your value will be higher in KL.

Party: SG

People and politics: KL/SG this is a hard one as Malaysia has a bit of an apartheid regime (pro Malay, anti Chinese Malaysians, pro Muslim anti non Muslim). You mentioned you prefer Asians that are fair skinned, so I'll assume you'll be targeting Chinese Malaysians more than Malays, Chinese Malaysian women are some of the nicest Chinese (origin) women in the world. I'm not saying non of them are status/money obsessed, but I think less than Singaporeans. And I met many Singaporean dudes that are complete nerds and very beta.
If you get easily annoyed by Muslims, KL is not for you.
Both countries are essentially one party states, with the difference that SG government is quite pragmatic and effective and SG is in some ways the best run city in the world. Though Malaysia is politically messed up, KL is still run 10 times better than Jakarta, or even 5 times better than Bangkok.

Lifestyle with an income of a 10.000 dollars a month: KL you'll be able to live like a king and potentially penetrate the higher echelon of society, in SG you'll be a great catch, and can have a great time, but you're not partying at Pangea (expensive club) every weekend (estimate, since I've never been to Pangea).

Keep us updated when you've made your choice.

Thanks for the great breakdown Svoboda, very much appreciated.

In regards to driving it doesn't really bother me. I'll have a car allowance either way so if I need a car I'll get one (I drive to work in Australia) otherwise I'll just pocket the car allowance. I won't bother owning a car if I don't need to.

Muslims don't bother me, there are heaps in Australia. As long as they aren't trying to ram their religion down my throat I don't care. I'll probably avoid the head scarf wearing girls as being too much work but that's it.

I'm going to take a trip to KL to scope it out before making my final decision.

(01-13-2016 11:47 AM)worldtraveler3 Wrote:  

You don't need 10,000 dollars a month to live like a king in KL. 5000 is enough.

He was referring to the income I'll have while there.


**UPDATE**
Some additional info for people - Office location.

Singapore: Buona Vista (Near the National University of Singapore, 10km west of SG city centre)
KL: Subang Jaya, Selangor (20km west of KL city centre)

Neither of them great locations but that's standard for my company, our offices are never in central locations or main CBD areas. Is either of these locations going to make living in a desirable area with good pulling logistics give me a horrible daily commute?

[gbombay]

Buona Vista is right next to Holland Village which has some decent bars and is a popular place with expats from what I remember.

When I was there had no problem pulling girls with god awful logistics, staying with a family member near Jurong west (20 min drive from city center). I would agree that there are probably more lighter skinned Asian girls in SG than KL. Added bonus that their parents are likely rich as fuck and they're not usually looking for a pussy BB (75%+ of SG locals) so if you're masculine you may not have to waste time wining and dining... KFC and McD's did the trick for me.

I'm heading back to do a research collaboration at the Uni there until May, if you're around then send me a message!

[Svoboda]

Buona Vista is fine, it's where the Green and Yellow (circle) line cross, so easy to get to places, and in my mind it's really not 10 km but maybe 5 km or less from the centre, Gbombay was in Jurong West (which is way out) and Buona Vista is around halfway.

Subang Jaya sounds (never been there) like it's way out, maybe like Newark to NYC?

You mentioned going to KL, check out the residential area(s) around the office and where your colleagues live. If you don't visit SG it's not a big deal, you can rest assure you'll be fine around Buona Vista.

Office location: SG

[Zerdame]

Buona Vista is fine. No where in Singapore isn't fine in terms of logistics. We are a country that is so small, you need less than 1 hour from the 'west coast' to 'east coast.' The subway system works fine too and with your salary, you can easily afford taxis daily even if you don't get a car.

Subang Jaya is really near to KL even though it is technically not in KL. Its 20km to KL city central and the cabs are dirt cheap in Malaysia, you would be in the city in less than half an hour. Not the best place to stay but many wealthy (read: Malaysian Chinese) Malaysians would rather get a bigger, fancier apartment in Subang and then drive into KL for work. KL is itself a really small city so no sweat getting into the city even if you don't live directly in it.

[Cyclone]

(01-11-2016 12:14 AM)Roardog Wrote:  

(01-09-2016 06:38 PM)Cyclone Wrote:  

(01-07-2016 03:13 AM)Roardog Wrote:  

Gentlemen I need your advice.

I am a 29 year old white male and

Singapore
.

Thanks for your input but could you provide your reasoning?

My post was a bit of a joke in case you didn't catch that, but in case no one has mentioned it the how chinese-singaporean girls would almost exclusively only go for white males (and east asians, of course). They are:
- smart
- hygenic
- hotter then all asians 2nd to Tokyo
- still feminine

So if you're white late-20's why not go for it, as it's clearly the superior option. It has its own bullshit, but KL has way more bullshit. Also, Singapore is not as expensive as people make it out to be. Your income/expense ratio could be 5:1, if you are looking to save for investing.
.

[Lian]

Sorry to burst your Singapore bubble OP, but I lived in the Singabubble for years, and, to qualify this post, hooked up with dozens of girls while there, probably more than fifty and maybe even closer to a hundred, many but certainly not all Singaporean.

Despite that, I recently turned down what many would call a dream job because it would have caused me to remain in prison. I could not wait to get the fuck out of that sterile, fake drone factory.

I have not lived in KL so can't comment. I've been there a couple times, and despite the Muslims I had a good time and remember thinking I would enjoy it more than Singapore.

(01-07-2016 05:35 AM)CodyB Wrote:  

Singapore is a better city for sure, things work better and it's cleaner, however, it is boring as fuck. And it is also about the same cost as Australia when it comes to most things except drinking which is about double the cost of Australia. It's fucking expensive.

Emphasis mine.

Singapore was so boring that it caused me to start drinking after a years-long hiatus only two weeks after arriving.

And to rub salt in the wound, you literally cannot buy a pint of beer for less than US$11, anywhere.

(01-07-2016 05:50 AM)Irish Wrote:  

For sure Singapore is a lot cleaner and easier to live in but can feel quite false and plasticy at the same time. KL is dirtier, more disorganised but feels more edgy.

Agreed.

(01-18-2016 03:14 AM)Cyclone Wrote:  

My post was a bit of a joke in case you didn't catch that, but in case no one has mentioned it the how chinese-singaporean girls would almost exclusively only go for white males (and east asians, of course). They are:
- smart
- hygenic
- hotter then all asians 2nd to Tokyo.
- still feminine

So if you're white late-20's why not go for it, as it's clearly the superior option. It has its own bullshit, but KL has way more bullshit. Also, Singapore is not as expensive as people make it out to be. Your income/expense ratio could be 5:1, if you are looking to save for investing.
.

I cannot disagree more, except perhaps on "hygenic," but I'd say they're the same as anyone in that regard. Where else have you been in Asia?!

Singaporean girls and Singaporeans in general are some of the dumbest, least educated (unless cramming and rote memorization is your definition), most entitled twats you will meet in your life. They cannot hold down a conversation, speak in retarded barely-comprehensible "Singlish," their idea of a "dream" is moving from their parents' HDB (government-managed housing) 15km East to the CBD (central business district) to work for an MNC (multinational corporation). It's a nation full of children, trained not to think, to be cogs in the machine.

The ones I thought were actually cool I almost always felt bad for, trying to escape the rat race in a society that condemns artists and free thinkers. From my experience a disproportionately high number of them have problems at home.

Has no one read this?
http://www.singledudetravel.com/2013/03/...tardation/

When it came out that article got circulated amongst some of my friends and colleagues to much hilarity. If you want to know about Singapore, that will sum it up nicely.

And the foreign girls, forget about it. I could write about this at length but let's just say the ones who move there are overly concerned with money and career, are 25+ (remember one needs some work experience to you get a visa), and/or move there because they had to due to previous or existing relationships. The rest of them are smart enough to leave soon, as did an East Asian girl I dated there, or avoid it altogether.

Singapore's saving grace is it's awesome for career advancement, maybe the best in the world. If this suits you and your particular industry, get what you need from it, level up and get a bit of it on your CV, then get the F out. Time is the most important asset, not money.

Otherwise, if you are single (and really even if you're not), avoid this wasteland at all cost, except as a three-day vacation so you can appreciate wherever it is you decide to move to instead.

[DrugAdvisor]

OP

Speaking as a Malaysian here,

Where your office is located is actually a pretty decent area. { Subang Jaya } Its got a small airport for local flights with a carrier named firefly, and most higher end colleges are centered around that area or a short drive away. In terms of living around this area, it's easy to assimilate with the locals, as the area's township is one of the better planned ones.

If you're getting paid the same, you money goes a long way in Malaysia. That said, I hope you get paid in foreign currency as the past year hasn't been kind on the Ringgit.

If you want a little more info, feel free to PM. Will be glad to help out, and grab a beer when you're in town.

*Work wise, you will be managing "lower" people in Malaysia, mostly without egos, but low quality work output; whereas in Singapore, you probably have to deal with more egos.

[jayko]

that is more of a choice if you prefer to get laid more by a brown or a yellow?

[RichieP]

^Disagree with Lian's POV on foreign girls in Singapore.

There are some awesome smart, hot chicks who come to Singapore to work from all over the world. Yes, quite career focused, but a career-focused hot Korean is still a hot Korean.

And there are many hot western girls absolutely starving for attention, completely ignored by all the eligible white guys with yellow fever.

It's actually pretty damn good for finding foreign chicks. I agree to an extent on the other points though.

[Cyclone]

(01-18-2016 04:29 AM)Lian Wrote:  

I cannot disagree more, except perhaps on "hygenic," but I'd say they're the same as anyone in that regard. Where else have you been in Asia?!

Singaporean girls and Singaporeans in general are some of the dumbest, least educated (unless cramming and rote memorization is your definition), most entitled twats you will meet in your life.

..and where else have YOU been around Asia, where the girls were not retarded and spoke better English?
And if you must ask, I've been to every major city in Asia except Tai Pei

(01-18-2016 04:29 AM)Lian Wrote:  

And the foreign girls, forget about it. I could write about this at length but let's just say the ones who move there are overly concerned with money and career, are 25+ (remember one needs some work experience to you get a visa), and/or move there because they had to due to previous or existing relationships. The rest of them are smart enough to leave soon, as did an East Asian girl I dated there, or avoid it altogether.
Otherwise, if you are single (and really even if you're not), avoid this wasteland at all cost, except as a three-day vacation so you can appreciate wherever it is you decide to move to instead.

u okay bro?
.

[Lian]

The end bit wasn't meant to attack you Cyclone, sorry it came off that way. I'm on not that much sleep and obviously have a strong opinion about this.

Where the girls speak better English in Asia? Nowhere, I never claimed otherwise. However for a country whose native language is supposedly English, they sure do a good job of butchering it.

In Taiwan, for example, many girls have a decent or even good command of English, but their native language is Mandarin, and many of them speak Hokkien as well. While Singapore has four official languages, English is the de facto official language, and you will find yourself in positions where the English is so butchered that you can't even understand it, peppered in with little bits of other languages so they can have some semblance of culture. I know you haven't been to Taipei, similar could be said of Hong Kong. One would not say "Hong Kong people speak poor Cantonese."

Where are the local girls not as retarded as Singaporeans? Everywhere I've been to, in the region and otherwise. My opinion.

I hated my time in Singapore, and the perception that Singapore is this great paradise is part of the reason I had to be there in the first place. I want to give to the OP the perspective of someone who felt this way, and why, because I definitely was not the only one.

[Roardog]

I appreciate all the input and feedback so far guys. It's been very informative and there are clearly a lot of strong opinions either way about both cities.

[Kamaki4]

(01-18-2016 04:29 AM)Lian Wrote:  

Sorry to burst your Singapore bubble OP, but I lived in the Singabubble for years, and, to qualify this post, hooked up with dozens of girls while there, probably more than fifty and maybe even closer to a hundred, many but certainly not all Singaporean.

Despite that, I recently turned down what many would call a dream job because it would have caused me to remain in prison. I could not wait to get the fuck out of that sterile, fake drone factory.

I have not lived in KL so can't comment. I've been there a couple times, and despite the Muslims I had a good time and remember thinking I would enjoy it more than Singapore.

(01-07-2016 05:35 AM)CodyB Wrote:  

Singapore is a better city for sure, things work better and it's cleaner, however, it is boring as fuck. And it is also about the same cost as Australia when it comes to most things except drinking which is about double the cost of Australia. It's fucking expensive.

Emphasis mine.

Singapore was so boring that it caused me to start drinking after a years-long hiatus only two weeks after arriving.

And to rub salt in the wound, you literally cannot buy a pint of beer for less than US$11, anywhere.

(01-07-2016 05:50 AM)Irish Wrote:  

For sure Singapore is a lot cleaner and easier to live in but can feel quite false and plasticy at the same time. KL is dirtier, more disorganised but feels more edgy.

Agreed.

(01-18-2016 03:14 AM)Cyclone Wrote:  

My post was a bit of a joke in case you didn't catch that, but in case no one has mentioned it the how chinese-singaporean girls would almost exclusively only go for white males (and east asians, of course). They are:
- smart
- hygenic
- hotter then all asians 2nd to Tokyo.
- still feminine

So if you're white late-20's why not go for it, as it's clearly the superior option. It has its own bullshit, but KL has way more bullshit. Also, Singapore is not as expensive as people make it out to be. Your income/expense ratio could be 5:1, if you are looking to save for investing.
.

I cannot disagree more, except perhaps on "hygenic," but I'd say they're the same as anyone in that regard. Where else have you been in Asia?!

Singaporean girls and Singaporeans in general are some of the dumbest, least educated (unless cramming and rote memorization is your definition), most entitled twats you will meet in your life. They cannot hold down a conversation, speak in retarded barely-comprehensible "Singlish," their idea of a "dream" is moving from their parents' HDB (government-managed housing) 15km East to the CBD (central business district) to work for an MNC (multinational corporation). It's a nation full of children, trained not to think, to be cogs in the machine.

The ones I thought were actually cool I almost always felt bad for, trying to escape the rat race in a society that condemns artists and free thinkers. From my experience a disproportionately high number of them have problems at home.

Has no one read this?
http://www.singledudetravel.com/2013/03/...tardation/

When it came out that article got circulated amongst some of my friends and colleagues to much hilarity. If you want to know about Singapore, that will sum it up nicely.

And the foreign girls, forget about it. I could write about this at length but let's just say the ones who move there are overly concerned with money and career, are 25+ (remember one needs some work experience to you get a visa), and/or move there because they had to due to previous or existing relationships. The rest of them are smart enough to leave soon, as did an East Asian girl I dated there, or avoid it altogether.

Singapore's saving grace is it's awesome for career advancement, maybe the best in the world. If this suits you and your particular industry, get what you need from it, level up and get a bit of it on your CV, then get the F out. Time is the most important asset, not money.

Otherwise, if you are single (and really even if you're not), avoid this wasteland at all cost, except as a three-day vacation so you can appreciate wherever it is you decide to move to instead.

I couldn't agree with you more Lian on your assessment of Singapore, but judging by the amount of expats still living there, not everyone shares the same opinion. Maybe it's a case of career advancement and salary can convince any man, that it's not that bad?

[Lian]

(01-19-2016 11:04 PM)Kamaki4 Wrote:  

I couldn't agree with you more Lian on your assessment of Singapore, but judging by the amount of expats still living there, not everyone shares the same opinion. Maybe it's a case of career advancement and salary can convince any man, that it's not that bad?

Haha good question man, I used to wonder about that and I'm still not sure I have a satisfactory answer. Sometimes I felt like Will Ferrell in Zoolander.



I think you're probably right Kamaki, plus it tends to be in everyone's best interest to keep the "Singapore is magical doublethink" going.

Singapore is small and many social groups are comprised of colleagues or people met through work, why complain and risk it getting around to the wrong person, or someone who could very well be in a position to hire you for your next baller job? And if you can't be truthful and open about it, isn't it better to try to convince yourself that you really do love Singapore as everyone told you you would?

In many industries the sky's the limit there for career advancement and salary, and the tax is much lower than in other advanced economies. You can get over there and balls-to-the-wall yourself into a great career situation if you play your cards right. Recognize this trade-off for what it is, make every second count should you decide to go, then get the F out as and when the right opportunity comes up.

On another note, I was talking about it to someone I'm very close with through work, who agrees with everything I'm saying despite having lived there for many years. He's got a family and kids, and loves Singapore because as he says "it keeps me married...there is zero temptation."