[blacknwhitespade]

(11-23-2015 02:30 PM)kosko Wrote:  

I am starting realize that place that have not turned into apathetic atheist havens, or where religion has gone to the waste side as "old fashioned" (France, USA, etc), this is where Muslims have felt comfortable to created migrate chains too (which were helped along by the State).

Christianity is still very important.

Latin America is still 90% Christian, and Catholics are the majority and religion is still heavily practiced throughout the countries. Some random family from Yemen isn't going to vibe well in that environment.

Exactly. It's the lack of religion, the lack of strong cultural identity to stand against weird outside stuff, that allows terrorists to creep in. Latin Americans are also somewhat nationalist/proud people. They're passionate about their cultures in general and haven't been as washed out as many Americans. I don't really see hardcore modern progressive/liberal ideologies ever fully taking hold in most Latin American nations anytime soon.

That said, Mexico has a flaw in that it's very close to the USA and picks up many shades of American influence, for better or worse. Mexico's government has been writing very similar laws to the US government in the past 20 years. NAFTA was the first big step towards political/economic assimilation between the USA and Mexico, and with that some American cultural trends have also been making their way south. Mexico is currently experiencing a noticeable decline in religiosity in its urban areas. I've been down to Guadalajara several times this year and in several places, it just feels like a Mexicano flavored version of San Francisco or L.A. The younger population is just a shade or two behind most American millennials in their world views. The university of Guadalajara is full of pot smoking leftist trendies and homosexuals.

[boets]

Too many reasons not to live in Russia.
Tried it before.

[samsamsam]

(12-22-2015 01:37 PM)boets Wrote:  

Too many reasons not to live in Russia.
Tried it before.

Would you mind sharing your experience? Don't leave us hanging! Thanks.

[262]

Looks like he will after the ban hammer fell on him!

[Dan Woolf]

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[WashedUPVet]

(12-22-2015 11:44 PM)samsamsam Wrote:  

(12-22-2015 01:37 PM)boets Wrote:  

Too many reasons not to live in Russia.
Tried it before.

Would you mind sharing your experience? Don't leave us hanging! Thanks.

I think Russia just wears on you after a while for people there longer term. For me it is language, people pushing and being so direct all the time... no personal space. My experience is Moscow center for 4 months and never getting out during that time so I was a bit exhausted with the lack of sun and the pace of life. Even a Russian friend told me, Moscow is for money not to "live." I think it would be easier for someone from NYC, Chicago, London or Berlin to adjust than somewhere in the suburbs of the sun belt. The lack of a diet with green salads and fresh fruits I'm accustomed to was also difficult as I felt it hard to get proper nutrition.

I'm doing one year, but I don't think I could live past 2 years there without throwing in the towel. Unless I was making 6 figures.

[Suits]

(12-30-2015 09:03 PM)WashedUPVet Wrote:  

Even a Russian friend told me, Moscow is for money not to "live."

Same deal here in Beijing. I think the people who stay here either have roots put down or could never earn the same money elsewhere.

[stefpdt]

(12-20-2015 07:36 PM)serpico Wrote:  

Red Pillage - Where in Spain are you? I'm in Madrid, living in what is renowned to be the migrant-neighbourhood. It's really not that bad. Lots of West Africans fresh off the boat - they sell weed in the plaza and hustle, i guess they're a bit seedy and pushy offering weed literally whenever you walk by, but are generally pleasant enough. Other than that there's a few Bengali's, Bangladeshis and non arabic muslims, they all seem to run or work in restaurants and import shops, seem all right to me, just average family guys making a living.

In all my time here i've only seen one bit of trouble, two african guys fighting in the plaza - decent scrap to be fair. Compare that to a similar neighbourhood in London (in socio-economic terms i guess it's close to Tottenham or Hackney), and you would see waaaaay more trouble, aggression, anti-social behaviour, crime, and just general unpleasantness.

I'm sure trouble is brewing what with Merkel's insane open door policy, but just relaying my feeling that at this moment in time, it's all pretty relaxed here.

Lol I like this attitude the most. There's always a way to extract the honey from a "bad" situation.

OP sounds like a doomsday prepper.

To be fair, I understand that things in Europe are difficult at the moment. But it's equally as difficult for me to see the Western world as being a desperate place that one needs to bounce from. Where are you going to run?

The only option (in my eyes) is making as much money as possible while you can in the West so that you're free to live your life as you see fit.

I'm not a big fan of the Muslim culture/lifestyle either. Most non-Mumslim's aren't. But most people worth knowing could care less about the situation because they're too busy living their own awesome lives.

USA > 1% > Apartment in major city> Sluts & cash flow

Make it happen in 2016 guys,

[262]

A decent number of guys who can't imagine leaving the West usually have profiles suggesting they've never made a visit outside it.

Have you?

And no, meeting foreign girls in your own country doesn't count. "Water takes the shape of the container it fills," as Roosh writes.

[Pete]

Puerto Rico is the best place in your list. I live here, but I've traveled south america and the caribbean extensively.

There's no other place in the caribbean or south america with 1st world infrastructure. Sure some south american cities are modern and all, but IMO it's not comparable.

Weather: the lowest I've seen here (10-15 minutes to the beach) 77 degrees and the highest like 95.

Puerto Rico is 100mi x 35mi. You can get from a tropical rainforest (El Yunque), to the beach in 10 minutes.

Or, if you like, you can go to the other side of the island (Guanica, etc.) which has (very small) desserts like "Desierto de Guanica".

PR also has one of the top ten beaches in the world @ one of it's islands (Culebra).

Food here it's pretty good, you can eat local food or (if you like it) eat on us chains of restaurants.

[stefpdt]

(01-01-2016 06:12 AM)262 Wrote:  

A decent number of guys who can't imagine leaving the West usually have profiles suggesting they've never made a visit outside it.

Have you?

And no, meeting foreign girls in your own country doesn't count. "Water takes the shape of the container it fills," as Roosh writes.

Leaving the West is fucking fun. Don't get me wrong. I just don't personally believe the hype that it's worth permanently leaving the West.

I've spent a summer in Africa. Lived as a local. You'll meet some people over there who have actual reasons to believe that they need to "escape" their homeland.

[Adrenaline]

I understand the argument that leaving the west permanantly is overrated to an extent. There's a reason so many people try to get into the US, Australia, Canada etc, because they have bigger worries than how good looking, feminine or submissive the women they're surrounded by are. These people come from places where there are wars, corrupt govenments, pollution, terrible health care, and working involves slaving away for money they can barely survive on, so seek the quality of life and security which only the west can provide. If we're talking purely about dating/women then there is no disputing that for the average guy pretty much anywhere is better than the west. An exception is if you're extremely good looking, famous or have high social status. Then dating in the west is a non-issue because you'll get quality pussy anyway. Afterall, you'll never see Cristiano Ronaldo or Justin Beiber in South East Asia. So I think it all comes down to your characteristics and what you value in life. Obviously being a forum of players, we place a high emphasis on the importance of quality women, whereas others are happy to date 5's as long as they have all the other comforts the west provides.

[Montana]

I've been kicking teaching esl in Vietnam around for 5yrs. My plan would be to suppliment the job with online income (online tutoring.etc) especially outside of Korea/China/Vietnam.

Going back and forth to the top part of South/Central America could be feasible if you can work your own schedule and make good money in the U.S. like TX/fla.

My last job was hauling crude in the eagle ford shale San Antonio. I worked with Mexican guys that would commute back to Monterrey often and have multiple girlfriends in both places.

[stefpdt]

(01-03-2016 01:23 AM)Adrenaline Wrote:  

I understand the argument that leaving the west permanantly is overrated to an extent. There's a reason so many people try to get into the US, Australia, Canada etc, because they have bigger worries than how good looking, feminine or submissive the women they're surrounded by are. These people come from places where there are wars, corrupt govenments, pollution, terrible health care, and working involves slaving away for money they can barely survive on, so seek the quality of life and security which only the west can provide. If we're talking purely about dating/women then there is no disputing that for the average guy pretty much anywhere is better than the west. An exception is if you're extremely good looking, famous or have high social status. Then dating in the west is a non-issue because you'll get quality pussy anyway. Afterall, you'll never see Cristiano Ronaldo or Justin Beiber in South East Asia. So I think it all comes down to your characteristics and what you value in life. Obviously being a forum of players, we place a high emphasis on the importance of quality women, whereas others are happy to date 5's as long as they have all the other comforts the west provides.

I agree with pretty much all that you've said except I think it actually is disputable that "anywhere is better than the West for average guys" when it comes to dating.

This is generally the kind of hype that I've been referring to..

First of all, the guys on this forum aren't average. Guys on RVF are at the very least game aware, which immediately puts you above the major bracket of guys who stumble through life wondering why being passive doesn't get pussy.

My second point is that sharing a strong cultural connection can be just as advantageous as being a foreigner. Roosh has also written about this when he was churning and burning through Polish girls.

Again...I like foreign girls more than American girls for obvious reasons. But I just try to look at these things objectively instead of going with the red pill consensus. Guys with game will make almost anywhere in the world the best place to be...unless you're in Canada.

[Irenicus]

I did not read this thread to the from the beginning, but I will throw my two cents.

As Roosh once said (I do not where, but he did), the Western culture (or rather, the worst aspects of it) are spreading all over the globe, and many places that were relatively traditional are being corrupted by it.

Someone on ROK wrote an article in which it you can see its effects in Eastern Europe (he focused mostly on the former USSR and its clients).

As a Eastern European himself, I concur. I have seen many of these disturbances myself (girls with short neon hair for example). They did not reach the levels of the West, but they will, I assure within one or two generations.

I can't say how is in Asia, but Forney wrote an article which also describes the same damaging effects in the Philippines.

In short, you can run, but you will never hide. Therefore you have two options:

1. Stay where you are, and seed resistance - that is, find local RVF members, and hook up with them. Try to share the wisdom from this forum to anyone who would listen. And be prepared, because the worst is yet to come.

2. If you really want to move, I would suggest you move to either Croatia (Dalamatia, avoid Istra - too expensive and too crappy) or Montenegro (coast). Serbia (Belgrade, and the Northern part) and Slovenia are also good choices, of course. Seed resistance still, as being prepared for the collapse.

Now,why did I put Croatia and Montenegro in another category? Because these countries are more focused on tourism (for example, 60% or something of Croatian economy is tourism related) - which means that more people speak English, German, Spanish... , very helpful until you master the language somewhat. Also, if you are another race (such as Black) you will encounter less hostility (people will gossip behind your back though, but you will not be attacked).

Also, the infrastructure is good (good roads, good internet and postal coverage).

There are not many Muslims here. The adjacent regions of Bosnia and Herzegovina are non Muslim ( West Herzegovina - Croats, Zavrshje- Croats and some Serbs). Both are Christian - Croats are Catholics (like Poles) and Serbs Orthodox (like Greeks and Russians). Therefore, the likelihood of being blown up is small.

Should you choose Serbia, stick to Belgrade - more diverse (in a positive way), but be cautious if you are not white. Chances are a little bigger that you will be attacked, but still, not big enough that you should not leave your apartment without protection.

Also, the society is more red pill, but it will not be in a generation or two. Therefore, if you want to move here, help as many of my fellow countrymen with the red pill.

Hope it is useful for you.

[Irenicus]

Woops

[Adrenaline]

(01-03-2016 02:58 PM)stefpdt Wrote:  

(01-03-2016 01:23 AM)Adrenaline Wrote:  

I understand the argument that leaving the west permanantly is overrated to an extent. There's a reason so many people try to get into the US, Australia, Canada etc, because they have bigger worries than how good looking, feminine or submissive the women they're surrounded by are. These people come from places where there are wars, corrupt govenments, pollution, terrible health care, and working involves slaving away for money they can barely survive on, so seek the quality of life and security which only the west can provide. If we're talking purely about dating/women then there is no disputing that for the average guy pretty much anywhere is better than the west. An exception is if you're extremely good looking, famous or have high social status. Then dating in the west is a non-issue because you'll get quality pussy anyway. Afterall, you'll never see Cristiano Ronaldo or Justin Beiber in South East Asia. So I think it all comes down to your characteristics and what you value in life. Obviously being a forum of players, we place a high emphasis on the importance of quality women, whereas others are happy to date 5's as long as they have all the other comforts the west provides.

I agree with pretty much all that you've said except I think it actually is disputable that "anywhere is better than the West for average guys" when it comes to dating.

This is generally the kind of hype that I've been referring to..

First of all, the guys on this forum aren't average. Guys on RVF are at the very least game aware, which immediately puts you above the major bracket of guys who stumble through life wondering why being passive doesn't get pussy.

My second point is that sharing a strong cultural connection can be just as advantageous as being a foreigner. Roosh has also written about this when he was churning and burning through Polish girls.

Again...I like foreign girls more than American girls for obvious reasons. But I just try to look at these things objectively instead of going with the red pill consensus. Guys with game will make almost anywhere in the world the best place to be...unless you're in Canada.

Definitely some good points you make there. When I made the comment of "the average guy" I meant men who aren't game aware and of average looks/social standing because most on this forum are far from average like you mentioned. If more than half of the west are on this forum or game aware then we have a problem lol.

The second point you make is actually one I preach all the time. I have no interest in dating Asian women because of the language barrier and being an introvert, I hate small talk. I need to have interesting, informative conversation and can't get that with non westernised Asian girls. They will never be more than a ball draining to me. My personality also rarely mixes well with Eastern Europeans because I'm a fun, witty guy who doesn't take much seriously and I find the women from there far to serious (probably due to a difficult life) and we have a completely different sense of humor to the point they could find my jokes offensive. That cultural connection really is a big deal when looking for long term relationships. One night stands and short term bangs, who gives a fuck.

In my opinion, the biggest downfall for the average guy in the west is competition per adequate girl available. This is why those good looking guys with semi fame/fame or high social status never have to set foot outside the west. Simply put, there are far to many quality men deserving of a quality girl, and not enough quality girls to go around. This creates thirst and gives any girl above a 5 self-entitlement and an ego, and there's no escaping that. Top 20% guys will do well in the west. The rest will struggle.

I feel like I'm losing my point here. I still believe if you don't put as higher emphasis on quality woman and dating as this forum does, then the west provides the best overall lifestyle. All we have to do to make it the place to be in EVERY aspect is ship half the men overseas and replace them with quality women, to balance the ratio a little.

[Akula]

(01-03-2016 02:58 PM)stefpdt Wrote:  

My second point is that sharing a strong cultural connection can be just as advantageous as being a foreigner. Roosh has also written about this when he was churning and burning through Polish girls.

Again...I like foreign girls more than American girls for obvious reasons. But I just try to look at these things objectively instead of going with the red pill consensus. Guys with game will make almost anywhere in the world the best place to be...unless you're in Canada.

One thing I think we're all missing here is the age gap and how the talent pool opens up when you're abroad. In the US it's generally difficult to date too far outside the 5-10 year age difference, esp if you're over 40. Whereas in many parts of EE and Asia you can easily pull off 10-15 year age gaps.

This simple fact greatly increases your universe of acceptable women to pull from. You just have so many more attractive single women available that it starts to add up.

So there's a lot more too it outside attitudes and the lack of looks/femininity /manners/respect that many Western women exhibit.

[Scorpio Rising]

(11-21-2015 03:02 PM)redpillage Wrote:  

(11-21-2015 02:01 PM)BossOfBosses Wrote:  

Have you looked at Canada? I know the weather isn't that great, but it fulfills every other req on your list. Australia is another option.

From what I learned about Canada and judging by Roosh's trials and tribulations whilst on tour there I would assume that it's just a matter of time when Islam plants its roots there as well. Plus I have little interest in living in another 'liberal' Western country.

The current number of Muslims — 940,000 — comprises 2.8% of the Canadian population. A recent report from the Washington-based Pew Forum on Religion & Public Life said they will increase both in number and proportion of the country — 2.7 million, or 6.6% of the Canadian population, by 2030.

[zatara]

(01-03-2016 08:28 PM)Adrenaline Wrote:  

Definitely some good points you make there. When I made the comment of "the average guy" I meant men who aren't game aware and of average looks/social standing because most on this forum are far from average like you mentioned. If more than half of the west are on this forum or game aware then we have a problem lol.

The second point you make is actually one I preach all the time. I have no interest in dating Asian women because of the language barrier and being an introvert, I hate small talk. I need to have interesting, informative conversation and can't get that with non westernised Asian girls. They will never be more than a ball draining to me. My personality also rarely mixes well with Eastern Europeans because I'm a fun, witty guy who doesn't take much seriously and I find the women from there far to serious (probably due to a difficult life) and we have a completely different sense of humor to the point they could find my jokes offensive. That cultural connection really is a big deal when looking for long term relationships. One night stands and short term bangs, who gives a fuck.

In my opinion, the biggest downfall for the average guy in the west is competition per adequate girl available. This is why those good looking guys with semi fame/fame or high social status never have to set foot outside the west. Simply put, there are far to many quality men deserving of a quality girl, and not enough quality girls to go around. This creates thirst and gives any girl above a 5 self-entitlement and an ego, and there's no escaping that. Top 20% guys will do well in the west. The rest will struggle.

I feel like I'm losing my point here. I still believe if you don't put as higher emphasis on quality woman and dating as this forum does, then the west provides the best overall lifestyle. All we have to do to make it the place to be in EVERY aspect is ship half the men overseas and replace them with quality women, to balance the ratio a little.

+1'd for this. Its very accurate, but I think a lot of (younger especially) guys don't see it until they've done a lot of traveling. Its very easy to think the grass is always greener on the other side, it takes a lot of comparative experience to see the positives of your homeland.

Traveling is fantastic, and everyone should aspire to do so. But a lot of guys seem to think that just by leaving their home country they'll suddenly have women throwing themselves at them (which is isn't necessarily true), and this is all that matters. They don't consider the many negative lifestyle aspects of moving from the 1st world to the 2nd or 3rd world. Improving your game at home would in a lot of cases be a better first step.

[Lime]

(01-04-2016 02:06 PM)zatara Wrote:  

Traveling is fantastic, and everyone should aspire to do so. But a lot of guys seem to think that just by leaving their home country they'll suddenly have women throwing themselves at them (which is isn't necessarily true), and this is all that matters. They don't consider the many negative lifestyle aspects of moving from the 1st world to the 2nd or 3rd world. Improving your game at home would in a lot of cases be a better first step.

Yes and I think it is a worthwhile pursuit to learn how to have your hometown on lock as well. As long as you live in a decent place obviously.

[elmanuel]

As the recent tension has really been building up here in Holland I've been doing some thinking about this. What do you guys think of Ireland as a destination? I guess you can argue against the food and weather but other than that it seems like a pretty good place. The Irish guys I met on my travels always cool people. Woman don't seem that great, but you can always find them in other countries.. The last time I was there was about 8 years ago so I don't know how hard the economy has been hit and how life is these days. Any thoughts?

[Adrenaline]

(01-06-2016 04:35 PM)elmanuel Wrote:  

As the recent tension has really been building up here in Holland I've been doing some thinking about this. What do you guys think of Ireland as a destination? I guess you can argue against the food and weather but other than that it seems like a pretty good place. The Irish guys I met on my travels always cool people. Woman don't seem that great, but you can always find them in other countries.. The last time I was there was about 8 years ago so I don't know how hard the economy has been hit and how life is these days. Any thoughts?

Do some forum searches on Ireland, and Dublin in particular. The outlook on that place is not pretty. Ugly women who act/drink like men and are much more difficult than they should be, hostile environment with brawls everywhere you go, depressing weather, and nothing to do other than get intoxicated and waste your life away. If that sounds like fun to you (not even being sarcastic- drinking with unfeminine women every day and looking for a fight is some guy's idea of fun) then go for it.

[Robert Plant]

I have lived in 4 countries and traveled in 38 including several 1 month+ trips. I also had a sailboat and spent a year and a half sailing around the Caribbean. There are definitely some places that are nicer, less chaotic and less corrupt than others. Also, women in some countries are certainly better than in others. Unfortunately, the nicest places don't usually correspond with the best women. From my perspective as a guy who's into outdoor activities as well as good food and wine, the best places are in the West (parts of the France, Spain, Portugal and even parts of the U.S. and Canada). Unfortunately the best women (some of this based on second hand knowledge from the forum) are to be found in parts of Asia, Latin America and Eastern Europe.

My solution is to live in the places with the great food, outdoor activities and economic opportunities and take long vacations to the places with the best girls. A case in point, a week or two in Manila or Bangkok is awesome but I can't even imagine living in either place. Places like San Diego, Bordeaux and Lisbon are awesome for living and have enough not horrible women to keep a decently good looking guy with game reasonably satisfied.

I also agree that happy people can keep themselves happy in a variety of environments. Even though moving and traveling can improve your happiness. These are just a piece of the happiness pie.

[samsamsam]

(01-06-2016 07:01 PM)Adrenaline Wrote:  

Do some forum searches on Ireland, and Dublin in particular. The outlook on that place is not pretty. Ugly women who act/drink like men and are much more difficult than they should be

Whenever I think of hot pale redheads I think Irish chicks. This is depressing. No need to cheer me up, I'll do it myself.