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^^^
Whew, I wasn't the only one who made this mistake

He's talking about importing a girl from outside the US to a small American town - not finding a small town American girl.

[CleanSlate]

Importing a foreign girl to a small American town may sound good on paper, but you'd have to worry about the thirst.

Many small towns I've been to in the northeast, middle America, and parts of the West have 10:1 male to female ratios when you filter out the fatties and the "undateables". I've seen this first hand.

Say you import your unicorn wife half your age to said town, every male is going to lust and thirst after an exotic feminine foreigner woman. Since you didn't grow up with these guys throughout grade school, they won't give a rats ass if your wife cheats on you... especially when they're the ones getting a turn with her.

And then divorce court gets a turn with you...

[redpillage]

(11-30-2015 12:08 PM)rudebwoy Wrote:  

OP already mentioned he lived in the USA for several years and how expensive it was, healthcare.

Why would he move back?

2nd or 3rd tier Spain would be my choice.

I was in Malaga a few years back, seemed like a nice quite coastal town. I bought a litre of wine for 3 euros.

We live in a 2nd tier Spanish city and we're pretty happy. For the record - we didn't move out of the U.S. because of the cost - we made/make pretty good money. But now that we're over here we would have a hard time again paying five to six times what we are paying in Spain for what I consider inferior healthcare in the U.S. (for the price you pay - the U.S. does offer probably the best healthcare in the world at the top tier).

One thing I should perhaps mention is the social dimension. I really love Spain, I love the people, the women are gorgeous (skinny, pale, long dark hair, well dressed - just my type), love the food (although it's a bit limited outside of the regional cuisine), and I even love the language now that I am getting the hang of it. However one thing both my wife and I have realized after having lived almost four years over here is that there is a social wall that we 'guiris' (Spanish version of gringo) will probably never break through. Spaniards grow up inside very tight regional social circles and most of their friends are made when they are still young. In comparison with the U.S. they also marry pretty young and start their families when most other Europeans or Americans are still busy dating, or these days busy sliding on tinder way into their late twenties or even thirties.

They maintain those social circles pretty much all their life and although they will socialize with outsiders they have little interest in bringing in anyone new. Which is also the reason why many Spaniards rarely leave Spain or are interested in working internationally. For a country that is built around tourism the Spaniards have surprisingly little interest about the outside world (it's more of a Disney style interest - they watch it on TV but it doesn't really sink in or tempt them to explore the outside world). The majority of young Spaniards also don't speak English or any other 2nd language. Perfect country to learn Spanish - in the U.S. latinos always respond in English to me, here you just don't have a choice but to learn Spanish if you want to be able to talk to anyone.

What this translates into is that you make connections here pretty easy and if you speak the language you will meet a ton of very warm and welcoming people. However, very rarely will you get invited to someone's home/house or will be invited to participate in social events as part of their circle. Again, I'm not saying it never happens - it's just pretty rare. As a matter of fact this is one of the most frequent complaints I have come across among foreigners living here in Spain. The other day I ran into this guy from New Zealand who works out in my gym. He's as nice as they come, tall and handsome, good personality, in good shape, speaks Spanish fluently as his father is from Spain. He moved here when he was 17 and now works as an aircraft mechanic. Tells me the same thing - at work people don't really mix with him and they treat him differently than everyone else. Maybe jealousy or perhaps it's some weird Spanish work dynamic. But my point is that if a young buck like that in his prime who could pass for a Spaniard complains about that very same issue then perhaps it's not just subjective.

Be this as it may - we are pretty social creatures but it's always easy to expect too much from people around you. Plus being a bit older probably doesn't help. Either way I strongly recommend that one spends at minimum a few weeks in the country or new city they intend to move to. Because the social aspect will affect you more than you may think. FWIW - I moved to the U.S. when I was in my early twenties and I never ever felt that way - there was no social wall of any kind. People seemed to be very interested about me and where I come from. Immediately got invited to people's homes and inner circles. All across the U.S. - never an issue whatsoever. There are a lot of things to complain about in the States but it is a country of immigrants and if you really want to integrate and become and American then people around you will absolutely appreciate it and make you feel welcome.

And it's not that I don't feel welcome here in Spain - I have encountered very little xenophobia since I moved here. There is some of that unfortunately and I had to go all the way back to Europe to actually experience that - never had any problem in the States. But in general the Spanish are awesome - not perfect by any means - but good, passionate, and very anchored/traditional people. Yes, a whole bunch of leftist wackos as well - that's to be expected. All that I can deal with - the one thing however that really is starting to get to me is that I still feel I am on the outside. I can't really put my finger on it - but all around me life happens, tradition happens, certain events happen - you are welcome to participate - but you will never really be one of them. Not sure how better I can explain it, sorry

Anyway, not a reason to move away though - we never thought leaving behind our life in the U.S. and moving to a country we barely knew (without speaking the language back then) would be easy. All in all it's been a wonderful experience and we don't regret it.

[iknowexactly]

(11-30-2015 04:54 PM)CleanSlate Wrote:  

Importing a foreign girl to a small American town may sound good on paper, but you'd have to worry about the thirst.

Many small towns I've been to in the northeast, middle America, and parts of the West have 10:1 male to female ratios when you filter out the fatties and the "undateables". I've seen this first hand.

Say you import your unicorn wife half your age to said town, every male is going to lust and thirst after an exotic feminine foreigner woman.

I think a big overlooked factor is if she has kids. It makes it a LOT harder to get out to meet that hunk from the gas station if she has an infant to take care of and has to bullshit you about where she's going because she wants you to babysit while she cheats. If it's just the two of you, she'll be out and about unless you act like a Muslim.

One thing I've been doing with girls in Asia I meet is explain if we have kids they are doing all-ALL- the dishes and diapers.

If they whine that it's unfair or try to laugh it off I make clear it's really going to be that way with no exceptions. And that there will be written agreements to that effect before we get married.

I make it explicit: I am paying for our whole lives together, and therefore I have more rights. I suggest they find another guy who's not so strict, because I am not budging a fucking inch.

This will be gone over again and again befpre the prenup is signed, and I will see if she follows her word in Asia before I bring her to USA.

She can still fuck you over, but a girl with an infant is not a real appealing target for AMOG; and there is no avoiding that if you want kids you have to trust someone to some extent at some point.

Best would be to have the kid grow up in Asia if risk management is your primary goal, but I'm sick of missing first world convenience. However, I think it takes YEARS to get divorced in Italy, and hopefully years before she's awarded child support.

[Rocha]

"I can not dominate
This state of anxiety
The rush to get
To not be late
I do not know what is this I run away
Is this loneliness
But why do I refuse
Who wants to give me a hand

I will continue to seek to whom I want to give myself
Because so far I only...

I want those
Who I've never seen
Because I just want who
Who I hadn't met
Because I just want who
Who I've never seen
Because I just want who
Who I hadn't met
Because I just want who
Who I've never seen

This dissatisfaction
I can not understand
Always this feeling
I'm losing
This hurry to leave
I want to feel when arriving
This will to go
Elsewhere

I will continue to look for my world, my place
Because so far only

I am fine
Where I am not
Because I just want to go
Where I will not
Because I'm just fine
Where I am not
Because I just want to go
Where I will not
Because I'm just fine
Where I am not"

Estou Além, by António Variações

Translation by Rocha

[Parzival]

Moving abroad and live there, you have to keep in mind that you in some way will never be one of "them". You can live more or less in your expat bubble and enjoy life there. Or you have encounters with the locals but you will always be different in some way. I guess when you can accept that point you can live in an other country. Like be a foreigner in an asian country give you some advantages but also disadvantages. If you can live with that you should be fine.

At the end its always about leaving the comfort zone.

[CleanSlate]

(12-02-2015 12:46 AM)Parzival Wrote:  

Moving abroad and live there, you have to keep in mind that you in some way will never be one of "them". You can live more or less in your expat bubble and enjoy life there. Or you have encounters with the locals but you will always be different in some way.

For some lone wolves, that may be a non issue.

I'm already different and I'm used to it, so this won't be too much of a shock to my system. On the other hand, a popular kid in high school or a frat boy fresh out of college may struggle with this.

[Dan Woolf]

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[YossariansRight]

Don't import in a foreign keeper. That unicorn can morph into a ball slicing dragon real quick.

[DjembaDjemba]

(12-12-2015 10:59 AM)Dan Woolf Wrote:  

I've been thinking about this for a while and I've come to the conclusion that the only way to survive this is, in Zelcorpion's words, to move up in the society. That means staying where I am and working hard to make money. I don't think you can escape the ills of the modern world by moving abroad. Maybe if you go way off the beaten path and move to some small Armenian town that no one's ever head of. But what kind of life would that be?

Exactly. Every society has issues, the world is more populated and globalized than ever before. Almost every country in the world has some form of social tensions, whether it's economic (income inequality), racial/ethnic, religious, criminal activity etc.

The world is heading towards Brazilianization, sipping champagne in luxury condos with the backdrop of flickering candle-lights of the shanty-towns.

YossariansRigh Wrote:

Don't import in a foreign keeper. That unicorn can morph into a ball slicing dragon real quick.

[Easy_C]

(11-28-2015 10:16 PM)cowboy Wrote:  

I agree with those who say you can still find good areas in the United States. IMO one of the last bastions of old school America and common sense is Texas. I would also say places like Montana, Nebraska, Wyoming, Oklahoma, etc. However, I don't really sense the average Roosh Forum member embracing a remote, isolated state regardless of how "traditional" they may be. Also, some of those states are so religious that they are virtually on the edge of being Christian Taliban.

That's a complete crock. I've been through a number of those states with the Army and saying that they're "on the edge of being Christian Taliban" is a statement you could only make if you've never spent more than a fortnight in those places.

American culture is remarkably homogenous. The real issue with those places is that most of the small towns are very depressed economically (it's dramatically worse than the media would have you believe) and that the climates tend to be unpleasant....mostly hot, dry, and dusty followed by cold winters.

[womenarebrokeninthewest]

I bought a house years ago (Australia) where I'm currently renovating it into 2 more bedrooms (will be 6 in total from 3). These days I spend most of my time in SE Asia whenever possible. The cost of living is extremely cheap in SE Asia so with 6 people (tenants in the west), i have enough to pay off my house and live in SE Asia permanently. I love Thai culture where you have to head out a little from the tourist places to experience it. The women are REAL relationship material, very feminine and slim and wont be rude if you want to have a chat.

So many of my older friends (40-60 y/o) have Thai/Philo wives and I find they are 100+ time happier compare to dating broken westernised women. I also feel the same.

Real women over there where i cant wait to head back in 2-3 months.

[rw95]

What countries in Eastern Europe or South America have the right to bear arms?

[Belgrano]

(12-13-2015 03:33 PM)rw95 Wrote:  

What countries in Eastern Europe or South America have the right to bear arms?

Overview of gun laws by nation

[Dusty]

How about Guam? It's a USA territory so any American citizen can live there. Yet it's far from the USA so I imagine less infected by USA culture. It's only a couple hours to SEA from there too.

[robreke]

(11-30-2015 07:13 PM)iknowexactly Wrote:  

(11-30-2015 04:54 PM)CleanSlate Wrote:  

Importing a foreign girl to a small American town may sound good on paper, but you'd have to worry about the thirst.

Many small towns I've been to in the northeast, middle America, and parts of the West have 10:1 male to female ratios when you filter out the fatties and the "undateables". I've seen this first hand.

Say you import your unicorn wife half your age to said town, every male is going to lust and thirst after an exotic feminine foreigner woman.

I think a big overlooked factor is if she has kids. It makes it a LOT harder to get out to meet that hunk from the gas station if she has an infant to take care of and has to bullshit you about where she's going because she wants you to babysit while she cheats. If it's just the two of you, she'll be out and about unless you act like a Muslim.

One thing I've been doing with girls in Asia I meet is explain if we have kids they are doing all-ALL- the dishes and diapers.

If they whine that it's unfair or try to laugh it off I make clear it's really going to be that way with no exceptions. And that there will be written agreements to that effect before we get married.

I make it explicit: I am paying for our whole lives together, and therefore I have more rights. I suggest they find another guy who's not so strict, because I am not budging a fucking inch.

This will be gone over again and again befpre the prenup is signed, and I will see if she follows her word in Asia before I bring her to USA.

She can still fuck you over, but a girl with an infant is not a real appealing target for AMOG; and there is no avoiding that if you want kids you have to trust someone to some extent at some point.

Best would be to have the kid grow up in Asia if risk management is your primary goal, but I'm sick of missing first world convenience. However, I think it takes YEARS to get divorced in Italy, and hopefully years before she's awarded child support.

Better yet, have two kids in fairly rapid succession. Two or three years apart would be ideal, maybe closer.

So, just when the wife's duties start to slow as the first kid gets out of his terrible twos, along comes love muffin number two out of the oven.

That way, she'll be occupied with rearing kids and dealing with mommy hormones for years.

Another thing to do is a bit of research. Try to check out a town that has a fairly even male to female ratio and, better yet, a town or smaller city that has a larger percentage of thin bangable women as opposed to older women or fatties walking about.

That way, the local men won't be circling your wife like the sharks if there's other attractive single women in town who don't have young ones. I know it may seem tough to find a medium sized town like this in the USA, but they're out there. They're probably in the state (or general area) you're currently living in.

[Menace]

When Donald Trump becomes president, DC will be the place to be.

[cowboy]

(12-12-2015 09:48 PM)Easy_C Wrote:  

(11-28-2015 10:16 PM)cowboy Wrote:  

I agree with those who say you can still find good areas in the United States. IMO one of the last bastions of old school America and common sense is Texas. I would also say places like Montana, Nebraska, Wyoming, Oklahoma, etc. However, I don't really sense the average Roosh Forum member embracing a remote, isolated state regardless of how "traditional" they may be. Also, some of those states are so religious that they are virtually on the edge of being Christian Taliban.

That's a complete crock. I've been through a number of those states with the Army and saying that they're "on the edge of being Christian Taliban" is a statement you could only make if you've never spent more than a fortnight in those places.

American culture is remarkably homogenous. The real issue with those places is that most of the small towns are very depressed economically (it's dramatically worse than the media would have you believe) and that the climates tend to be unpleasant....mostly hot, dry, and dusty followed by cold winters.

..........Well I spent 23 years in Oklahoma. You spent time there in the army. I was born and raised there. Great state, it's home, great place for those who love the outdoors, really friendly people, but it is really religious. Virtually all social circles there are formed by.....going to church. Even there state laws regarding alcohol are insane. Politicians go to the largest churches in communities because it gets them elected. On the evening news the reporters consistently talk about prayer. Yea, I would call that extremely religious.

[Easy_C]

You're correct about churches being social hubs. You also forgot I grew up in the similarly awful deep south. You're also forgetting that, as I mentioned earlier, I have a lot of adopted extended family in that part of the country.

You're dramatically incorrect about them being "almost Taliban", and I say that because I've seen both up close(my role in the military was anything but a comfy base job) That's what SJW's believe about them and you should know better....and you and them MIGHT have a point the moment they start lynching people who offend their standards of decency or kidnapping people who don't belong to their particular sect.

[Tytalus]

(11-30-2015 07:03 PM)redpillage Wrote:  

snip

I think this is something that Americans, CAnadians, Australians, NZ forget about Europe. We are descended from the people who wanted to leave.

I repeat that- the people who wanted to leave left to NA, SA, Australia etc.

The people in Europe, are the ones who wanted to stay! That is a big explanation for the difference in culture right there.

[cowboy]

(12-19-2015 09:25 AM)Easy_C Wrote:  

You're correct about churches being social hubs. You also forgot I grew up in the similarly awful deep south. You're also forgetting that, as I mentioned earlier, I have a lot of adopted extended family in that part of the country.

You're dramatically incorrect about them being "almost Taliban", and I say that because I've seen both up close(my role in the military was anything but a comfy base job) That's what SJW's believe about them and you should know better....and you and them MIGHT have a point the moment they start lynching people who offend their standards of decency or kidnapping people who don't belong to their particular sect.

Dude you are taking this stuff way to serious. You took the phrase "almost Taliban" as a literal phrase when it was a sarcastic quip implying how religious that part of the area can be. As we both agree those areas are extremely religious. I too, spent YEARS of my life getting shot at in the Middle East, watching people blow themselves up in the name of God, and of course butchering others, not that it really matters. Next time I use a sarcastic phrase to imply something, I will be sure to follow it up with a happy smiley face or something else.....

[serpico]

Red Pillage - Where in Spain are you? I'm in Madrid, living in what is renowned to be the migrant-neighbourhood. It's really not that bad. Lots of West Africans fresh off the boat - they sell weed in the plaza and hustle, i guess they're a bit seedy and pushy offering weed literally whenever you walk by, but are generally pleasant enough. Other than that there's a few Bengali's, Bangladeshis and non arabic muslims, they all seem to run or work in restaurants and import shops, seem all right to me, just average family guys making a living.

In all my time here i've only seen one bit of trouble, two african guys fighting in the plaza - decent scrap to be fair. Compare that to a similar neighbourhood in London (in socio-economic terms i guess it's close to Tottenham or Hackney), and you would see waaaaay more trouble, aggression, anti-social behaviour, crime, and just general unpleasantness.

I'm sure trouble is brewing what with Merkel's insane open door policy, but just relaying my feeling that at this moment in time, it's all pretty relaxed here.

[boets]

how bad is Vancouver?

[BrewDog]

(12-19-2015 01:33 PM)Tytalus Wrote:  

(11-30-2015 07:03 PM)redpillage Wrote:  

snip

I think this is something that Americans, CAnadians, Australians, NZ forget about Europe. We are descended from the people who wanted to leave.

I repeat that- the people who wanted to leave left to NA, SA, Australia etc.

The people in Europe, are the ones who wanted to stay! That is a big explanation for the difference in culture right there.

This is true. I take a lot of flak from some of my friends when I say fuck the USA, I want to live somewhere different. I don't feel free here anymore and there's too many rules. They're spying on my goddamn emails and recording my phonecalls and I can't even play partypoker.com for real money anymore because, goddamnit, it's immoral to gamble my own money online. I have to order my fucking contact lenses from England because the online ordering in the U.S. requires a new prescription every year by law. God forbid I want to use ephedra anymore. And who the FUCK are they to tell me, a free citizen, I can't visit Cuba? Perhaps this all sounds like piddly shit to be angry about, but it's not freedom.

So I'm leaving as soon as I have the capital to do so. I was an infantry Marine and my buddies tell me it's some how pussy to run away to another country instead of fixing my own. But this shit is unfixable, and I owe these fat American shitheads no more of my time or service. My forefathers fled Britain and then fought King George III to get away, and they certainly weren't pussies for sailing away on rickety wooden boats for months across an ocean to then trek across a harsh American wilderness and survive frigid winters in an attempt to just be left the fuck alone. So I don't think it makes me a pansy to just pick up my shit and leave when I no longer feel free.

I'm waiting for Ron Paul to buy an island and start a new Galt's Gulch.

[Travesty]

Something tells me this guy is gonna have some good stories.