[WanderingSoul]

Eradicator, I never said guys are trying to make money to buy whores.

I could also take your Hugh Hefner quote out of context since he is notorious for paying girls outrageous sums of money to be his "girlfriend", but I won't misconstrue your words like you did with mine, because I know that isn't what you meant.

[Gringuito]

(11-12-2015 01:01 PM)RioNomad Wrote:  

If this was directed at me, you're taking my post a bit out of context here buddy lol. Murdering people and P4P have to make up less than 50% of my posts.

No, it wasn't directed at you or anyone in particular. It was just an impression I was getting from the thread in general. And keep in mind that I agree with many of the things Dan does: shooting guns, partying, traveling, boats, planes, cars, DGAF attitude, etc.

I'm recovering from hurting my back jumping off the upper deck of a good sized boat. There may have been drinking involved. I do very stupid things all the time. I just try not to go out of control. That was more of my point.

[WanderingSoul]

(11-12-2015 01:42 PM)Gringuito Wrote:  

(11-12-2015 01:01 PM)RioNomad Wrote:  

If this was directed at me, you're taking my post a bit out of context here buddy lol. Murdering people and P4P have to make up less than 50% of my posts.

No, it wasn't directed at you or anyone in particular. It was just an impression I was getting from the thread in general. And keep in mind that I agree with many of the things Dan does: shooting guns, partying, traveling, boats, planes, cars, DGAF attitude, etc.

I'm recovering from hurting my back jumping off the upper deck of a good sized boat. There may have been drinking involved. I do very stupid things all the time. I just try not to go out of control. That was more of my point.

At least you hurt it doing something fun.

If it is muscle tightness/pain try foam rolling. My lower back tightness/pain from lifting was gone 100% after only 1 session with a tennis ball.

[Lizard King]

(11-12-2015 01:57 PM)RioNomad Wrote:  

(11-12-2015 01:42 PM)Gringuito Wrote:  

(11-12-2015 01:01 PM)RioNomad Wrote:  

If this was directed at me, you're taking my post a bit out of context here buddy lol. Murdering people and P4P have to make up less than 50% of my posts.

No, it wasn't directed at you or anyone in particular. It was just an impression I was getting from the thread in general. And keep in mind that I agree with many of the things Dan does: shooting guns, partying, traveling, boats, planes, cars, DGAF attitude, etc.

I'm recovering from hurting my back jumping off the upper deck of a good sized boat. There may have been drinking involved. I do very stupid things all the time. I just try not to go out of control. That was more of my point.

At least you hurt it doing something fun.

If it is muscle tightness/pain try foam rolling. My lower back tightness/pain from lifting was gone 100% after only 1 session with a tennis ball.

Can you correct me if I'm wrong, my understanding of foam rolling is that you work the opposite muscle of the one you have a problem with? Each muscle has an opposite, generally, sometimes you can repair aches and pains by stretching or working its opposite.

[WanderingSoul]

Lizard, I'll PM you a good video instead of cluttering this thread.

[Lizard King]

Thanks.

[TheFinalEpic]

This thread gets me thinking about the polarization of alpha and beta. I think that there are a lot of guys that are on one side or the other, Bilzerian is either a king in their eyes or a goat. This has got me thinking: is a man ALWAYS an "Alpha" or a "Beta"? Or is everything a shade of grey?

Ryan Deluca is clearly an Alpha in the sense that he created an empire, is worth almost half a billion dollars, and rode the dot com boom to a financial situation many of us would kill for. Bilzerian doesn't give a fuck, bangs hot girls, shoots guns, and lives a life that any of us would also kill for.

Deluca then is clearly a beta with women, and doesn't have the game necessary to keep a girl even with his hundreds of millions of dollars. Bilzerian has frankly, done nothing with his life, and in my eyes is the male Kim Kardashian.

So the discussion is interesting that it is polarizing. I could argue both of these men are alpha, but also with beta tendencies. There is no stoicism in these two men, there is no unbreakable masculinity. They're both slaves to one thing or another; Deluca to women, Bilzerian to the almighty dollar, drugs, and fame.

It definitely makes me think about how to be the epitome of a man, how to balance all that life has to offer. I would believe and argue that it would be a combination of these two men but also additions that both of them lack.

[Geomann180]

(11-12-2015 04:16 PM)TheFinalEpic Wrote:  

This thread gets me thinking about the polarization of alpha and beta. I think that there are a lot of guys that are on one side or the other, Bilzerian is either a king in their eyes or a goat. This has got me thinking: is a man ALWAYS an "Alpha" or a "Beta"? Or is everything a shade of grey?

I think the problem is that Alpha vs. Beta is a false dichotomy that loses its usefulness as a tool to explain things once you get the basic idea behind sociosexual dynamics.

This graphic, from Audacious Epigone is a better way forward, I think.



It's easy to pick out who's who.

G

[DaveR]

(11-12-2015 04:33 PM)Geomann180 Wrote:  

I think the problem is that Alpha vs. Beta is a false dichotomy that loses its usefulness as a tool to explain things once you get the basic idea behind sociosexual dynamics.

This graphic, from Audacious Epigone is a better way forward, I think.



It's easy to pick out who's who.

G

That's a great idea, actually. So if I understood correctly, you say there should be two axes:
1: alpha / beta
2: honourable / reprehensible

For those like me who are not familiar with popular movie/cartoon characters:

- Top left (honourable alpha): Greek/Roman warrior or someone like Robert the Bruce?
- Top right (reprehensible alpha): crime lord / drug kingpin. They have game but they're parasites.

- Bottom left (honourable beta): I've no idea who/what that cat-man character is. This is where I would put Ryan Deluca...
- Bottom right (reprehensible beta): evil midget? I would put white knights in this category. Feminist men, social-justice warriors, etc.


Have I got it right?

[UroboricForms]

It's the Cowardly Lion from the 1939 film version of The Wizard of Oz.

[Geomann180]

(11-12-2015 08:21 PM)DaveR Wrote:  

Have I got it right?

Pretty much on point. Below is what I was thinking (bottom right is Joffrey from game of thrones).


- Top left (honourable alpha): Insert Role Model who has game here
- Top right (reprehensible alpha): Dan Bilzerian

- Bottom left (honourable beta): Ryan DeLuca
- Bottom right (reprehensible beta): Tucker Max

G

[PolymathGuru]

(11-12-2015 04:16 PM)TheFinalEpic Wrote:  

This thread gets me thinking about the polarization of alpha and beta. I think that there are a lot of guys that are on one side or the other, Bilzerian is either a king in their eyes or a goat. This has got me thinking: is a man ALWAYS an "Alpha" or a "Beta"? Or is everything a shade of grey?

Ryan Deluca is clearly an Alpha in the sense that he created an empire, is worth almost half a billion dollars, and rode the dot com boom to a financial situation many of us would kill for. Bilzerian doesn't give a fuck, bangs hot girls, shoots guns, and lives a life that any of us would also kill for.

Deluca then is clearly a beta with women, and doesn't have the game necessary to keep a girl even with his hundreds of millions of dollars. Bilzerian has frankly, done nothing with his life, and in my eyes is the male Kim Kardashian.

So the discussion is interesting that it is polarizing. I could argue both of these men are alpha, but also with beta tendencies. There is no stoicism in these two men, there is no unbreakable masculinity. They're both slaves to one thing or another; Deluca to women, Bilzerian to the almighty dollar, drugs, and fame.

It definitely makes me think about how to be the epitome of a man, how to balance all that life has to offer. I would believe and argue that it would be a combination of these two men but also additions that both of them lack.

The only problem is people only have so much time to refine themselves in one direction or the other. Keep in mind that Roosh spent 15 years chasing pussy around the world, writing books and hanging on an internet locker room. He has built a knowledge of framework that has allowed him to be an expert in seducing women. If you are on this forum, you probably have bought his books or have been influenced by his work.

On the other hand, he could have spent his time building a business empire. Although I think Roosh is starting to trade off passions now. He is foregoing chasing women in favor of something greater. All a women can do to satisfy a man in bed, keep his house clean, cook his food and raise his spawn. But outside of that, he spend his time working toward what? Wearing a tie and suit and working a 9 to 5 job he hates? or Removing his hard hat after having his balls drained from work then to get a 6 pack from the grocery store to sedate himself to sleep to go that same job the next morning. I think Roosh has taken a better path than the majority of men in the world. But it doesn't come without short comings.

[nek]

The wording on that chart could be simplified by saying "respected" on the vertical axis and "liked" on the horizontal axis. And remember, respect, like attraction, isn't a choice.

[solo]

What he should have said:

Enjoy my seconds! Congratulations on banging yet another used up slut.

[Geomann180]

(11-12-2015 10:38 PM)nek Wrote:  

The wording on that chart could be simplified by saying "respected" on the vertical axis and "liked" on the horizontal axis. And remember, respect, like attraction, isn't a choice.

I get what you're saying, but the post I pulled that graph from was making a slightly different point.

G

[wi30]

(11-12-2015 04:16 PM)TheFinalEpic Wrote:  

This thread gets me thinking about the polarization of alpha and beta. I think that there are a lot of guys that are on one side or the other, Bilzerian is either a king in their eyes or a goat. This has got me thinking: is a man ALWAYS an "Alpha" or a "Beta"? Or is everything a shade of grey?

Ryan Deluca is clearly an Alpha in the sense that he created an empire, is worth almost half a billion dollars, and rode the dot com boom to a financial situation many of us would kill for. Bilzerian doesn't give a fuck, bangs hot girls, shoots guns, and lives a life that any of us would also kill for.

Deluca then is clearly a beta with women, and doesn't have the game necessary to keep a girl even with his hundreds of millions of dollars. Bilzerian has frankly, done nothing with his life, and in my eyes is the male Kim Kardashian.

So the discussion is interesting that it is polarizing. I could argue both of these men are alpha, but also with beta tendencies. There is no stoicism in these two men, there is no unbreakable masculinity. They're both slaves to one thing or another; Deluca to women, Bilzerian to the almighty dollar, drugs, and fame.

It definitely makes me think about how to be the epitome of a man, how to balance all that life has to offer. I would believe and argue that it would be a combination of these two men but also additions that both of them lack.

I was going to make a lame 50 shades of grey joke, but couldn't think of anything clever.

I agree that most dichotomies are false and exist on a multi-planed scale. For example, one could be the leader of their group of friends and get the first choice of pussy when the group goes out, but work a shit job with a ball busting boss who emasculates him at every turn. Or one could be the scotch sipping executive who kicks ass at work but goes home to his swamp donkey wife and gets bitched at for not taking out the garbage.

Shit, even as a kid I was a natural alpha and leader in sports and school. But I sucked dick with girls. By now I've figured out the girls part, but I'm still working on the career. Do I call myself "alpha" at the bar but "beta" in the workplace? Hell no, it doesn't work like that. I would argue that nothing we traditionally view as dichotomous is black and white. It all falls on a scale with too many inputs to accurately calculate. Except gays and gender. That shit is binary.

All we can do as men is be better than we were yesterday.

[germanico]

Can game be bought? If so, then yes, Bitchzerian is alpha.

[Sooth]

If Mark Zuckerberg started buying bitches, flying in jets, shooting guns etc, does it make him alpha?

It would make him more of a man than Bilzerian.

Why?

Because Zuckerberg worked for it.

Bilzerian is Kim Kardashian on testosterone.

[kaotic]

(11-13-2015 05:50 AM)Sooth Wrote:  

If Mark Zuckerberg started buying bitches, flying in jets, shooting guns etc, does it make him alpha?

It would make him more of a man than Bilzerian.

Why?

Because Zuckerberg w̶o̶r̶k̶e̶d̶ ̶ stole for it.

Bilzerian is Kim Kardashian on testosterone.

Fixed it for you

[Geomann180]

(11-13-2015 12:08 PM)kaotic Wrote:  

(11-13-2015 05:50 AM)Sooth Wrote:  

If Mark Zuckerberg started buying bitches, flying in jets, shooting guns etc, does it make him alpha?

It would make him more of a man than Bilzerian.

Why?

Because Zuckerberg w̶o̶r̶k̶e̶d̶ ̶ stole for it.

Bilzerian is Kim Kardashian on testosterone.

Fixed it for you

Technically it's still work.

Dan, at least didn't even have the decency to put his back into it and steal himself millions of dollars.



G

[kaotic]

(11-13-2015 12:27 PM)Geomann180 Wrote:  

(11-13-2015 12:08 PM)kaotic Wrote:  

(11-13-2015 05:50 AM)Sooth Wrote:  

If Mark Zuckerberg started buying bitches, flying in jets, shooting guns etc, does it make him alpha?

It would make him more of a man than Bilzerian.

Why?

Because Zuckerberg w̶o̶r̶k̶e̶d̶ ̶ stole for it.

Bilzerian is Kim Kardashian on testosterone.

Fixed it for you

Technically it's still work.

Dan, at least didn't even have the decency to put his back into it and steal himself millions of dollars.



G

fair enough.

But I hate Zuck, that cunt wants to help Merkel censor anyone who disagrees with the immigration in europe.

Anyways, these two dudes will do what they want.

Ryan BB needs to handle his bitches better, that's for sure.

[Praetor Lupus]

(11-10-2015 05:58 PM)Aquiles_Baesta_Parada Wrote:  

As I've said before.

You can be as nice as you want.

Just don't be weak.

[samsamsam]

I think he can have more followers than Dan, he just needs to take pics with sluts and guns and jets and shit. He makes it seem like it is so hard.

[Latinopan]

(11-11-2015 10:41 AM)Gringuito Wrote:  

(11-11-2015 10:12 AM)achromaticmike Wrote:  

First off; your entire argument is a straw-man. I never said having pictures with those girls was the end-game. You also haven't proven Dan's money is ill-gotten; neither has the government that tried for decades. It's an extremely simplistic argument I'd expect from an SJW.

Further, I would humbly suggest that if you think a guy on steroids who fits the "tall dark and handsome" stereotype and is worth tens of millions of dollars needs to pay girls to be with him and you're posting on this website -- you need to start reading and then go out and get some more experience in the field.

SWJ? That's funny. So in your mind you believe that Dan makes his money in private high states poker matches? That is what he is publicly saying. Keep in mind that he's not ranked and the few times he's played he's done poorly. He's won 10k once in all the time he was playing. And, these private games he claims to have aren't attended by top poker players. It seems they would like a chance to win millions from bad playing wealthy guys.

I'm sure that I won't convince you of anything. You like the lifestyle that Dan has built and that's fine. But not all of us here agree with you.

[Rhyme or Reason]

November 2015:





Let's see where all that altruism got him....




June 26th 2016:












Insta-cucked!