Quote: (08-04-2013 04:50 AM)Bill Wrote:
Hi Jay, I like your avatar though the girl is put on the pedestal somehow but it´s ok as it´s dancing. I tried that move but my shoulder muscles were to weak somehow. I thought about doing such a picture on my t-shirt but first I have to become much better at partner dancing.
Yes you are right in the matter of fusion between solo dancing and partner dancing. This is obviously a tricky stuff I could get a way with it on low levels. The higher levels need much more salsa skills.
On behalf of "fake salsa" you are right though I did mean it different.I know that yasemina is a top notch salsa dancer. Here I did post her winning dance in the salsa competition in my thread. It´s at position 4:
http://www.rooshvforum.network/thread-21159.html
Here the vid separetly. She is mindblowing and hot:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LcL1WEevzM4
Anyway the point I tried to make is that for people who are alien to salsa music and dance it´s very difficult to feel the vibe. In the vid where yasemina dances to the music of mary j. blidge which is mainstream the dance is more enjoyable to people than "classic salsa". In munich at least most salsaseros would not accept this show of yasemina because it´s not "true" salsa. In munich most dance cuban style.
I do like the style of yasemina or LA-style more than the "classic" cuban style. I like energy and fire while dancing. Most salsaseros imho like the elegant floating style imho. So for me it´s THE REAL DEAL too.
Bill, Thanks for you further clarifications, and your links.
Regarding the avatar, I have not personally done that move, and as we likely realize that particular move is a “show” move more than a social dance move. There are some “show” moves that the guy would not naturally be able to lead the girl into on the dance floor. However, sometimes with a little bit of training or pointing out the move to the girl, some girls can perform performance dance moves on the social dance floor, and with any of those techniques in which the guy is picking up the girl, the girl needs to know how to hold herself in such a way that she feels light – and many times, holding oneself like a board rather than a noodle will achieve the feeling of lightness – and surely, skinny will help that… even though sometimes a fat girl with good technique will be much more easy to dance with than a skinny girl with bad technique.. though for various reasons in the whole scheme of things, I generally prefer skinny, so long as the skinny girl’s personality is not too difficult.
Dance performance, for show, can be or appear somewhat Beta, and sometimes, one may not recognize when he has crossed over certain lines into Beta-ness.
Before I registered for Roosh’s forum, I had been reading various forum postings about game for nearly a month, and I had not realized the Beta-ness (if there is such a word) of some of the dance interactions that I had been having through the years, and for quite some time, dance has been one of my principle means of meeting and interacting with women on a social basis. Increasing my awareness about game and about how I am interacting with women will certainly allow me to make some adjustments in order to improve my game. At the same time, sometimes, it may be difficult to break old habits, but I believe that being aware of what you are doing and/or how you are coming across to the woman can certainly be a step in the right direction.
Regarding the melding of partner dance and solo dance, some of the trick will be in the execution of reading the music, reading the girl and your own inspiration to be able to balance that in a way that moves you in the direction that you want. In this regard, there will be transition between solo and partner dancing that will not always be easy to execute and may somewhat depend upon the music, the reading of the girl and your own inspiration. As you are learning how to improve and/or to perfect transitions, inevitably, there will be mistakes in the execution, and sometimes those mistakes will be more obvious than not. Sometimes, when one really screws up in dance (I have had situations where I dropped the girl and or accidently hit the girl or made some other obvious blunders), the best may be to admit it and to move on; however, one of the positive aspects of dance remains the ability to dance through it and to act as if nothing happened. Another form of faking that goes on. And, in this context, I mean faking in a good way, because frequently part of the key in spinning a positive light to any screw up may be to dance through it, and to make the screw up almost appear that the move which was a mistake is what you intended to carry out. Also, sometimes the mistake can become a new move or even a parody of a move, and that can be part of the fun and/or creative aspect of dance because sometimes, one witnesses totally ridiculous moves that people perform, but if those totally ridiculous moves appear intentional, sometimes those ridiculous nature of the moves can be quite interesting, comical and/or appealing. And, if the move is really outrageous, you may want to be strategic in the frequency in which you employ such move(s). Certainly, there is some judgment in this, and we do not always realize how we look, but I surmise there is a difference between the bad dancer who bounces around the dance floor and looks foolish and the dancer who is smooth but making a parody out of bouncing, and strategically employing such bounce.
One of the areas in which I need to improve my dance is regarding increasing my incorporation and/or learning of more solo techniques because currently, my dance does seem to employ too much partnering, and my solo repertoire is not as complete as it could be in order to really be able to use the dance game in more dance game situations.
As others have posted in various dance threads in this forum, through my years of dancing, I have never been too interested in dancing with “top notch” female dancers, especially, when it comes to game or trying to impress the girl. The “top notch” dancers will be hard to impress and hard to keep entertained – they have seen the moves of even the most impressive dance moves. However, we know that dancing with the “top notch” female dancers can be used as a mechanism to impress other dancers (including the beginner and intermediate dancers).
When I was a beginner dancer, it was more difficult to impress even beginner dancers; however, as my dance has improved, I have increasingly been able to impress higher and higher skilled dancers – though certainly, it can be a time suck to get to this level, and if you are really just interested in game, rather than dance, then it may not be worth all the time and effort to improve dance to that level. Also, sometimes, contrary to belief, some of the “top notch” female performers, may not be as good at social dancing as they may appear in their performance. Sometimes, I have danced with girls who perform, and those girls cannot follow worth a shit because they have been too choreographed in their training and experiences and they no longer know or are willing to follow socially. In my view, a good female social dancer has the ability to adapt her style to a variety of dance leads, and some of the performer girls are just not up to that level either willingly or not. Sometimes those performer girls can be way more work than they are worth, and may even have bad attention whore mentalities to go along with their inabilities to follow different leads. In that regard, it will frequently be much better to focus on dancing with (and/or dance gaming with) the less advanced dancers and also the ones who may be wow-ed by your dance repertoire and/or game at whatever level that is.
Regarding various styles of salsa, it is true that there is quite a bit of variation. Certainly, I am not really an expert on the different salsa styles, and mainly I have been trained in LA style, dancing on 1, and my lead is in that direction. It is surprising that there are a lot of different salsa styles including dancing on different beats and also whether the style is more partnering or solo, more circular or linear, more turns or body movement or the incorporation of lots of footwork, and most likely a guy that is learning would want to first learn and/or develop the style that has the most bang for the buck in his region because that can be less awkward in getting girls to dance with you and/or having opportunities to practice and learn whatever it is that you are learing (whether practicing and learning dance or game). Once the guy reaches a certain comfort level in his dance moves, then he can export those dance moves to areas and/or regions that may not dance the same style of dance, and in those instances the guy can become a novelty and that novelty may be a good thing.
When I travel outside of LA, sometimes, the girls will be so exuberant about my dance style because it is very different from what they are locally used to; however, the style is not so different that they are not able to follow it. So, in that regard, the novelty of the different style can be used to get attention and to open a variety of girls.
