[The Beast1]

It's like a mirror looking back at my first few posts on the forum. Egad son smoke a bowl and SLOW down.

We all go through this phase. I was no different but a word of advice sweeter since the mods are a lot less forgiving these days then when i joined:

Sit down and be quiet. Question, observe, relax. Your post about social circles offered nothing new that hasn't been discussed here before. In fact as you get older you'll discover that you'll gain more access to exclusive places when you get a place "on lock". Start building something, you'll begin to discover how little you actually know.

PS, we were all hot shiat too in our early twenties.

[Tyler Belfort]

"The fool doth think he is wise, but the wise man knows himself to be a fool."

[Fortis]

It isn't an outlandish claim. There are a few guys on this forum who are maybe just barely 22 and are light years ahead of many thirty year olds I know, but they don't make threads about it. They post videos and prove it.

[Phoenix]

LOL so how young is this incredible level of youth we're talking about... are you 15?

[Sudden]

I hate to blow smoke up your ass sweetman as it doesn't sound like you need any, but I have little doubt that you are well above your peers in age. And it may indeed be the case that you are more informed, competent, and logical than people twice your age within given fields or about certain subjects and practices, game included and perhaps especially (most men toil in blue pill oblivion, mocking the lessons we've learned through trial and error). Your theory and application of neo-masculine concepts may even surpass my own and I've been involved in this shit off and on for years, when it was just PUA and Mystery/Neil Strauss/RSD and before the entire red pill worldview and critical analysis of female mating patterns began. But I wanna highlight one thing you mentioned:

(07-13-2015 02:39 PM)Sweeterman Wrote:  

The thing that irks me in day to day life is that people consistently blow off my opinions and lessons just because of my age. While I do understand why (experience is truly the best teacher, and age definitely does guarantee experience)...

If game is anything, it is knowing and understanding how your actions will be perceived and then adjusting in order to foster a perception beneficial to your goals. If your goal is to have your voice heard and your experiences acknowledged as valid, rather than trying to come across from the perspective of someone who has it all figured out, perhaps putting on the front where you acknowledge that your experiences may be limited compared to another but that they all seem to reach the same conclusions. As it is right now, you're coming across to everyone as a know it all. And just to give you some perspective on this forum, you're talking to guys who've been married and divorced, buried parents in law, dealt with trying to console grieving spouses, personally known mass murderers, withstood economic crashes and professional failure and then reclimbed the mountain to find their success again. And that's just me. And even though I thought I had it all figured out when I was your age and I could write with similarly pompous clarity and purpose, it's all those events that I mentioned above that going through taught me to stop thinking my shit don't stink.

I've learned more in the last three years than I did in my first 30. But I know less now than I ever have. Because the key thing about learning is that if each thing you learn doesn't create three new questions, you haven't actually learned a thing.

[Dalaran1991]

Is it just me or I just dont understand why we are writing long-ass post to caress the ego of a young guy?

This thread definitely is going in the direction he had hoped for

[valmont]

He's got what Strauss called "Sarger's Aura".

[Samseau]

First, you seem to be socially clueless and do not understand that appearing superior to others is a major turn-off. Most people hate anything perceived to be arrogant. People can't help this response either; it's a social reflex built into most humans. Therefore you should work on improving how others see you: appear humble as you tell them the Truth. It's far more effective and wins more friends. Don't be afraid to go back to arrogant asshole mode if someone tries to walk all over you of course.

Next, you're wrong about people blowing you off because of your age. In general, people hate Truth. You'll see it as you get older; you'll try to tell them Game Truths but they won't listen. You'll turn 30 and most still aren't going to care or believe. Maybe by that point you'll understand the futility of trying to bring a horse to water. It's great if you understand the Truth at a young age (I did too) but it doesn't mean anything unless you apply the Truth successfully enough that others take notice of your example.

Also judging from your post on page 2 I'd say your game is freshman level. Get yourself a niche and enter Graduate school.

[Beyond Borders]

(07-13-2015 10:36 PM)Dalaran1991 Wrote:  

Is it just me or I just dont understand why we are writing long-ass post to caress the ego of a young guy?

This thread definitely is going in the direction he had hoped for

My excuse is posting at 5 in the morning. Haha

[Suits]

I wish that I'd had the edge on people twice my age when I was 23.

That being said, it really doesn't mean much to be a natural and can accomplish things at a young age.

The reach challenge is aging with grace.

If you're ahead of the game in your early twenties, then your job for the next 15 years is to stay ahead of the game, so that you really hit your stride as you are about to enter your 40's. There's no point in having better game that 40 year olds when you are 20, if you're going to end up spending middle age recounting the glory days when you could still get 20 year poon.

Use whatever advantages that you believe you have to make sure that you're having sex with women have your age for the two decades that follow the day that it becomes legal for you to do so.

It's not how you start, it's how you finish.

[Guitarman]

Reading this, I can't help thinking that the mods are letting some of the regular troll baiters have their fun with Sweete Man before finishing him off with the ban hammer.

Shame, if SM didn't come in all guns blazing he could learn a lot from this forum.

[Bushido]

(07-14-2015 03:42 AM)Guitarman Wrote:  

Reading this, I can't help thinking that the mods are letting some of the regular troll baiters have their fun with Sweete Man before finishing him off with the ban hammer.

[Simeon_Strangelight]

OP - the good part is that you are obviously intelligent, eloquent and somewhat successful.

But you do realize that there are guys here who have fucked 300+ women by age 26 and have massive Game?

Nowadays due to the outstanding amount of good material out there (Roosh, Krauser, even some RSD, Heartiste etc.) even if you are a "Natural" you can turbo-boost your Game well beyond your years.

Your first post seemed to have even Game-denying elements in it like claiming that only self-confidence and slight calibration are necessary. There is much more to it - even more as you enter a LTR with a girl.

And of course many guys here know that you can be in your 20s now and could have attained a high level of seduction ability, simply because Game knowledge usually does not come miraculously out of the sky. Even the so-called young naturals often learn it quickly due some helpful factors - good looks, social value, friends who are Players, exposure to many women etc.

Even the teachings of Game have expanded tremendously and what you would have learned in 2002, 2008 and 2015 are vastly different different levels and degrees. Discarding all of that in one blow is just preposterous.

[Suits]

OP just dropped another very curious post.

[Sonoma]

I'm an autism specialist, feel free to pm for any advice OP

[thedarkknight]

(07-13-2015 10:13 PM)Sudden Wrote:  

I hate to blow smoke up your ass sweetman as it doesn't sound like you need any, but I have little doubt that you are well above your peers in age. And it may indeed be the case that you are more informed, competent, and logical than people twice your age within given fields or about certain subjects and practices, game included and perhaps especially (most men toil in blue pill oblivion, mocking the lessons we've learned through trial and error). Your theory and application of neo-masculine concepts may even surpass my own and I've been involved in this shit off and on for years, when it was just PUA and Mystery/Neil Strauss/RSD and before the entire red pill worldview and critical analysis of female mating patterns began. But I wanna highlight one thing you mentioned:

(07-13-2015 02:39 PM)Sweeterman Wrote:  

The thing that irks me in day to day life is that people consistently blow off my opinions and lessons just because of my age. While I do understand why (experience is truly the best teacher, and age definitely does guarantee experience)...

If game is anything, it is knowing and understanding how your actions will be perceived and then adjusting in order to foster a perception beneficial to your goals. If your goal is to have your voice heard and your experiences acknowledged as valid, rather than trying to come across from the perspective of someone who has it all figured out, perhaps putting on the front where you acknowledge that your experiences may be limited compared to another but that they all seem to reach the same conclusions. As it is right now, you're coming across to everyone as a know it all. And just to give you some perspective on this forum, you're talking to guys who've been married and divorced, buried parents in law, dealt with trying to console grieving spouses, personally known mass murderers, withstood economic crashes and professional failure and then reclimbed the mountain to find their success again. And that's just me. And even though I thought I had it all figured out when I was your age and I could write with similarly pompous clarity and purpose, it's all those events that I mentioned above that going through taught me to stop thinking my shit don't stink.

I've learned more in the last three years than I did in my first 30. But I know less now than I ever have. Because the key thing about learning is that if each thing you learn doesn't create three new questions, you haven't actually learned a thing.

Goodreads.com should add that to the list of quotes.

[samsamsam]

(07-14-2015 04:38 AM)Suits Wrote:  

OP just dropped another very curious post.

He really needs to learn tl;dr

[KevCapitalist]

Something you older gents may have forgotten & that us youngsters don't like hearing: the brain doesn't fully develop until thereabouts 26. Every six months I look back on what I've done and see my fair share of foolishness. I have numerous life experiences that have aged me past my years.. and let me tell you it doesn't make you smarter. It simply changes your interests & tempermant. It's easy to look over your peers and think them beneath you but it's really just your new found ambition doing its thing.

[fucksong]

Pics of chicks you've banged or you're a poser bro...

[samsamsam]

I guess for me this commercial explains why I have doubts about most young people. That somehow this scam of a business has figured the best way to get people to enroll into college is through this commercial. The company wouldn't pay to have this commercial on TV if it didn't think it was effective.

Then these "college" grads then get a diploma and think their diploma matches other more respected schools.

Now don't get me wrong, where you go to school shouldn't matter, it should be your character, intelligence and work ethic. My parents don't have 4 year degrees but are some of the most exceptional people I have met, even after accounting for my bias. My old mentor, a Vietnam vet, never finished school but is nevertheless exceptional.

But the reason why Stanford turns out top grads is it because it generally admits the most capable. I didn't go to Stanford, this is just an example.

(07-14-2015 10:20 AM)KevCapitalist Wrote:  

Something you older gents may have forgotten & that us youngsters don't like hearing: the brain doesn't fully develop until thereabouts 26. Every six months I look back on what I've done and see my fair share of foolishness. I have numerous life experiences that have aged me past my years.. and let me tell you it doesn't make you smarter. It simply changes your interests & tempermant. It's easy to look over your peers and think them beneath you but it's really just your new found ambition doing its thing.

Your self awareness puts you far ahead of your peers.

[Engineer]

delete

[samsamsam]

Well, I guess we didn't get to keep him...

[Rhyme or Reason]

I'm quite surprised at the number of people who actually posted serious replies to this fucking idiot.

[TravelerKai]

And I thought my youngest brother was bad. God damn!

Some of you guys being gentle to this kid probably should not have. There is a time and place for that. This was actually the time to be mean for once. That level of arrogance and disrespect this young man showed should have been equally responded to with the equivalent in vitriolic dismissal of his character as a whole. This guy could have been anything between 15 and 19, with that crass display of immaturity. The only thing that he will eventually responded correctly to is a violent response in some form or another. He is going to pop off at the wrong person in the next few years and he will be eating his teeth. He better hope that person does not end his life, so that he can come back and learn from it. I usually allow alot of bullshit to flow from younger members here without responding to it, because I want to see them grow and learn, sow their oats, feel out the process. Guys like this OP no way. I would smack him in person.

He knows full well what he is doing. There is no true ignorance here. He is bluntly looking down on anyone and everyone as if he has fucking arrived from up high on a cloud.

The only caveat here is that if he really was trying in earnest to appeal to us positively, then he is a textbook case of either Narcissistic Personality Disorder or even possibly, yet another high functioning Aspergers Syndrome kid. Both conditions actually share many of the same symptoms. If he does not have either of these issues, then my view at the beginning of this post stands. For someone to speak to others older than him as if we all collectively fell off the God damn turnip truck yesterday reveals downright malicious character. That amount of arrogance far surpasses a mere lack of house training and decent manners. The difference between someone with horrible home training and manners and people like this guy are daylight and dark. The thug that stabbed that man on the train in DC probably had enough social intelligence not to insult for no reason at all someone capable of hurting him. You might say, well Kai trolls are all fearless on the internet. Sure that is true, but had he been willing to eventually reveal details of his magazine or other things, he could have been tracked down and brought to heel by someone ( a motivated enough hacker). In this regard it is a good thing Tuth banned him before he can cause more harm to himself. Even then, a pompous attitude like that will get it's deserved fruits in time regardless of what we do to him here.

Let life and this cold world be his teacher. Nothing else will suffice. Mentoring, advice, and mutual dialog is not for everyone, especially anyone not capable or interested in listening to others.

[Beyond Borders]

Guilty as charged.

I fed the troll.