[TheWastelander]

(06-18-2015 03:51 PM)jariel Wrote:  

(06-18-2015 03:19 PM)TheWastelander Wrote:  

This kind of shit, in turn, spurs white people who have been raised all their life to believe that you should treat everyone equally, that the color of someone's skin isn't important and that race is just a social construct to rethink all this because these days the liberals don't even believe that anymore.

Back in ye olde 1980s, some of us had decent parents that lived through and took part in the Civil Rights movement in the 60s. We were taught that we should treat everyone equally regardless of their skin color. It was a liberal value that good people believed and practiced. In those quaint times there wasn't a national media and an internet shoving divisive crap in our faces 24/7. There also weren't a lot of absurdly hypocritical SJWs running around stoking the fires of racial animosity and agitating for acceptance of all sorts of perversions.

[jariel]

(06-18-2015 04:07 PM)TheWastelander Wrote:  

Back in ye olde 1980s, some of us had decent parents that lived through and took part in the Civil Rights movement in the 60s. We were taught that we should treat everyone equally regardless of their skin color. It was a liberal value that good people believed and practiced. In those quaint times there wasn't a national media and the internet shoving divisive crap in our faces 24/7. There also weren't a lot of absurdly hypocritical SJWs running around stoking the fires of racial animosity and agitating for acceptance of all sorts of perversions.

You'll have a hard time convincing non-whites that whites en masse are being brought up to believe that we're all equal and race is a social construct -- a construct created by whites.

Hell, most of us in communities such as this one that are considered to be part of the Manosphere are part of the same generation, yet many these communities are rife with racist undertones -- Heartiste might be the home of the white supremacy hub of the Manosphere, dope game site, but they've allowed the racist element to seep into their discussions, something Roosh makes a concerted effort to block here.

So if everybody is being taught what you suggest, then where is all the racial animosty and faux supremacy coming from?

Who's teaching those people that?

Is that their natural response to Blacks and other non-whites?

Again, you're going to have a hard time convincing non-white people of that, obviously, not everyone is being raised to be racist, I would never make that argument, nor am I calling anyone out to be racist, but given the climate we're living in, it's hard to agree with you because if that were actually true, then the climate we're living in would be much different because it would be a by-product of everyone practicing and living what you say they're being taught at home.

[Fast Eddie]

(06-18-2015 04:18 PM)jariel Wrote:  

(06-18-2015 04:07 PM)TheWastelander Wrote:  

Back in ye olde 1980s, some of us had decent parents that lived through and took part in the Civil Rights movement in the 60s. We were taught that we should treat everyone equally regardless of their skin color. It was a liberal value that good people believed and practiced. In those quaint times there wasn't a national media and the internet shoving divisive crap in our faces 24/7. There also weren't a lot of absurdly hypocritical SJWs running around stoking the fires of racial animosity and agitating for acceptance of all sorts of perversions.

You'll have a hard time convincing non-whites that whites en masse are being brought up to believe that we're all equal and race is a social construct -- a construct created by whites.

Hell, most of us in communities such as this one that are considered to be part of the Manosphere are part of the same generation, yet many these communities are rife with racist undertones -- Heartiste might be the home of the white supremacy hub of the Manosphere, dope game site, but they've allowed the racist element to seep into their discussions, something Roosh makes a concerted effort to block here.

So if everybody is being taught what you suggest, then where is all the racial animosty and faux supremacy coming from?

Who's teaching those people that?

Is that their natural response to Blacks and other non-whites?

Again, you're going to have a hard time convincing non-white people of that, obviously, not everyone is being raised to be racist, I would never make that argument, nor am I calling anyone out to be racist, but given the climate we're living in, it's hard to agree with you because if that were actually true, then the climate we're living in would be much different because it would be a by-product of everyone practicing and living what you say they're being taught at home.

No offense, but you've swallowed the media line float hook and sinker if you think that racism is something between "whites and nonwhites." I can assure you that Asians are 100 times as racist towards blacks as whites are. Blacks in turn are racist towards whites, just in a different way than whites are towards blacks. Asians tend to look at whites in a similar way that whites look at blacks. It's all one big hatefest, really, no need to pretend the world is all honky dory were it not for the notorious racism of white people.

[jariel]

(06-18-2015 04:31 PM)Fast Eddie Wrote:  

No offense, but you've swallowed the media line float hook and sinker if you think that racism is something between "whites and nonwhites." I can assure you that Asians are 100 times as racist towards blacks as whites are. Blacks in turn are racist towards whites, just in a different way than whites are towards blacks. Asians tend to look at whites in a similar way that whites look at blacks. It's all one big hatefest, really, no need to pretend the world is all honky dory were it not for the notorious racism of white people.

No offense, but I'm struggling to understand what Asians have to do with this particular discussion?

For the sake of your argument, how much of an impact does Asian racism really have on American society, especially if it's directed towards Blacks?

[OBERYN_]

Yet this attack does not appear to be religiously motivated. Even if it were, the difference shows when Christians worldwide condemn the behavior and compounded by a media storm that reflects your narrative of "SEE?!?! CHRISTIANS ARE VIOLENT AND TERRIBLE, TOO!!" without fear of further repercussions from devout Christians.


Simply put, there are no large segments of practicing Christians that echo the thought that, "Yes, it was terrible act and Iwouldn't do it, but __________ should not have provoked them by _________."

[Tex Pro]

[Foolsgo1d]

And once again the gun control and race debate spirals out of control. I've no bone with members who discuss it so don't get me wrong on this.

I would call myself pro-gun but I'd raise eyebrows at some guy protesting his right to open carry a weapon into an airport or around town. it screams "look at me I am a fucking idiot".

Race vs race is just an easy excuse to hate on a group of people and the problem is very widespread and deeply seated in the USA.

However these issues to do with mass shootings on innocent people has nothing to do with these things.

I refuse to believe a man who grabs up some guns and a couple of hundred bullets just to prove a point of sorts with murder, is sound of mind. You just do not see this behaviour in rational, normal human beings.

ISIS exploits this in the Middle East and these losers in the USA who should be contained in some institute or kept away from guns at the very least are free to roam around at will.

Nobody is pointing this out. You will never get rid of weapons but you must have systems in place to prevent these types from getting to a point where they seem ok with murdering many people at once.

[iop890]

Kills black people because he says they're raping his women, gets raped by a black guy in prison.


At least he'll finally lose his virginity.

[joseywales]

I don't see how this whole incident couldn't be a false flag

[Game_Started]

(06-18-2015 02:48 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

The problem is that violence always leads to more violence. Notice how these shootings keep escalating?

Knockout Games
Trayvon
Ferguson
Baltimore

Now finally you got some deranged white guy lash out in an attempt to defend his people.

Look at the big picture: the violence that occurred in Charlestown will result in multiple negative effects.

- Increased gun control (which means innocent people cannot defend themselves)
- Increased Black on White violence

And you can bet your ass if more Blacks retaliate on White people over this guess what happens next? Violence just keeps escalating.

I completely lay the blame at the hands of our first "black" president. That guy could have worked to establish peace by reigning in the media frenzy who have done NOTHING but instigate racial hate, but instead he sides with the lying press to foster hate and prejudice. After nearly 50 years of peace between the races, the piece of shit democrats lead by the phony Obama is returning this country back to the old days. Good fucking job assholes.

[Game_Started]

(06-18-2015 02:53 PM)Sonsowey Wrote:  

About the claims that there is more racial animus or violence today than there was in the recent past, I would love to hear some older members' perspectives.

I'm in my 20s, so my perspective doesn't go back very far.

Yes we have this, Ferguson, Trayvon Martin, etc.

But I know in the 90s and 80s there were also episodes like this, going back to the 70s and 60s it seems like even more so.

Does it seem accurate to say that the whole trend of violence between races being sensationalized is on the upswing, or is this more or less a constant that some younger members are just now becoming fully cognizant of?

70s to about mid 90s, race related violence was much worse than it is now. A 24 hr news cycle and social media gives the impression that things have gotten really bad. Every incident, no matter how small, gets blown up.

[Samseau]

(06-18-2015 05:13 PM)Game_Started Wrote:  

(06-18-2015 02:48 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

The problem is that violence always leads to more violence. Notice how these shootings keep escalating?

Knockout Games
Trayvon
Ferguson
Baltimore

Now finally you got some deranged white guy lash out in an attempt to defend his people.

Look at the big picture: the violence that occurred in Charlestown will result in multiple negative effects.

- Increased gun control (which means innocent people cannot defend themselves)
- Increased Black on White violence

And you can bet your ass if more Blacks retaliate on White people over this guess what happens next? Violence just keeps escalating.

I completely lay the blame at the hands of our first "black" president. That guy could have worked to establish peace by reigning in the media frenzy who have done NOTHING but instigate racial hate, but instead he sides with the lying press to foster hate and prejudice. After nearly 50 years of peace between the races, the piece of shit democrats lead by the phony Obama is returning this country back to the old days. Good fucking job assholes.

If you think the past 50 years are violent, let's see how much you'll be laughing at the next 50.

[Samseau]

This story was on the frontpage of Drudge:

http://www.infowars.com/charleston-shoot...outbursts/

What do you know... the kid was on a drug to help him get over his old addiction to another drug they had him taking while growing up. Feminists share a huge chunk of blame for this shooting.

[Sourcecode]

Im sure he was an innocent kid.
He was just going through a rough time in his life.
This was just an honest mistake.
He was about to go back to college and turn his life around.
Please don't label him a racist or a terrorist or crazy

[jariel]

(06-18-2015 05:31 PM)Sourcecode Wrote:  

Im sure he was an innocent kid.
He was just going through a rough time in his life.
This was just an honest mistake.
He was about to go back to college and turn his life around.
Please don't label him a racist or a terrorist or crazy

It's not his fault, he wasn't getting any pussy.

[BlueOcean]

(06-18-2015 05:51 PM)jariel Wrote:  

(06-18-2015 05:31 PM)Sourcecode Wrote:  

Im sure he was an innocent kid.
He was just going through a rough time in his life.
This was just an honest mistake.
He was about to go back to college and turn his life around.
Please don't label him a racist or a terrorist or crazy

he wasn't getting any pussy.

He probably wasn't. Most of these mass shooters (and even the Islam terrorists) are usually sexual omega males who want to spark a revolution, so they can sexually benefit from the new world order.

[Merenguero]

The overwhelming odds are that this bollocks kills himself while awaiting trial. They can put him in solitary, they can strip him down to his underwear and/or a giant napkin and he'll still find a way. That Craigslist killer guy who people said looked so normal (he looked like a psychopath to me) found a way to end his own life and so will this guy.

[Going strong]

(06-18-2015 06:24 PM)BlueOcean Wrote:  

(06-18-2015 05:51 PM)jariel Wrote:  

he wasn't getting any pussy.

He probably wasn't. Most of these mass shooters (and even the Islam terrorists) are usually sexual omega males who want to spark a revolution, so they can sexually benefit from the new world order.

Corrected for you:
"Most of these mass shooters (and even the Islamist terrorists) are usually sexual omega males who want... nothing really, nothing specific. They just are in despair and fucked up in the head."

Which is why, as Roosh and others rightly said: "Game saves lives"! You get pussy, you don't go killing your neighbors, it's that simple. You're too spent to go kill people, matter of fact, and have better things to do with your time (and dick-gun)

Problem is: reasonably-good pussy is harder and harder to get, in first-world countries. So, random, crazed violence from beta or omega men, will be on the rise. Prepare.

[DannyAlberta]

Salon is almost as quick as Obama to exploit this for the sake of the all powerful narrative: http://www.salon.com/2015/06/18/charlest...socialflow

Quote:

The story is still developing. At present, Charleston authorities are reporting that this mass shooting and likely right-wing domestic terrorist assault is a hate crime.

...

White right-wing domestic terrorism is one of the greatest threats to public safety and security in post 9/11 United States of America. Such a plain-spoken fact is verboten in mainstream American public discourse.

Justify those statements to me. How can they tell this is a "right-wing" domestic terrorist attack on no data? What figures, facts and studies do they rely on to illustrate that "white" domestic right-wing terrorism is such a great threat?

Social justice warrior journalism - when there's no need for facts.

[LeBeau]

(06-18-2015 01:40 AM)mikado Wrote:  

Nice try to bait me.

I will not comment anymore on that, sorry.

Says the guy who's infamous for being the forum MRT (Muslim Religion Troll) constantly trying to de-rail threads and bait others.

[CactusCat589]

^Yeah, that's what mikado does every single one of these threads. He did it to me and another poster in the French mural thread. I was like "Eh alright misunderstanding", but less than 24 hours later he's back at it. There's a billion articles of arabs killing whites, but did he say a word about any of those? Look at the thread titles he starts, it seems he didn't find those worthy of the forum's attention.

But the one drug-addled white guy killing black people in months or the whole year - who were Christian themselves - now THAT'S worthy!

And not only that - but the nine deaths? They don't matter! In fact, he's pretty happy because now he gets to go on the forum and say "Hey, look at this, it's not Muslims this time!" So relieved.

Then he gets called out, and says "I won't fall for taking the bait, which I keep doing", which is verbatim what he said in the other thread. He does it again here. I'd be amused if this wasn't such a tragedy. The guy could have gone guns blazing into a meth lab or the hood, but instead went after the most virtuous people in the city. What a piece of shit.

[Captainstabbin]

(06-18-2015 06:39 PM)DannyAlberta Wrote:  

Salon is almost as quick as Obama to exploit this for the sake of the all powerful narrative: http://www.salon.com/2015/06/18/charlest...socialflow

Quote:

The story is still developing. At present, Charleston authorities are reporting that this mass shooting and likely right-wing domestic terrorist assault is a hate crime.

...

White right-wing domestic terrorism is one of the greatest threats to public safety and security in post 9/11 United States of America. Such a plain-spoken fact is verboten in mainstream American public discourse.

Justify those statements to me. How can they tell this is a "right-wing" domestic terrorist attack on no data? What figures, facts and studies do they rely on to illustrate that "white" domestic right-wing terrorism is such a great threat?

Social justice warrior journalism - when there's no need for facts.

These people live and breathe for this - game plans are setup to control the narrative from the first report. The facts don't matter, if they can control the early narrative, it's in the public mind forever.

[2Wycked]

The names of the deceased have been released. The names are here. May their souls rest in peace.

If you want to donate money, memorial funds are being set up.

[BlueOcean]

(06-18-2015 06:31 PM)Going strong Wrote:  

(06-18-2015 06:24 PM)BlueOcean Wrote:  

(06-18-2015 05:51 PM)jariel Wrote:  

he wasn't getting any pussy.

He probably wasn't. Most of these mass shooters (and even the Islam terrorists) are usually sexual omega males who want to spark a revolution, so they can sexually benefit from the new world order.

Corrected for you:
"Most of these mass shooters (and even the Islamist terrorists) are usually sexual omega males who want... nothing really, nothing specific. They just are in despair and fucked up in the head."

Which is why, as Roosh and others rightly said: "Game saves lives"! You get pussy, you don't go killing your neighbors, it's that simple. You're too spent to go kill people, matter of fact, and have better things to do with your time (and dick-gun)

Problem is: reasonably-good pussy is harder and harder to get, in first-world countries. So, random, crazed violence from beta or omega men, will be on the rise. Prepare.

I agree with most of your post, but I disagree that they have no goals. It seems like a decent percentage of these guys really do see themselves as being revolutionaries or at least part of a broader movement. They may suffer from mental illness and be fucked in the head, but lots of these guys are motivated by extremist political/religious ideology and believe they're apart of something bigger. Of course there are plenty of guys with no goal in mind too.

When a sexually frustrated and crazed man gets ideas in his head, he can be very dangerous to people around him.

As men continue to see their economic and sexual prospects decline, I agree that violence will unfortunately become more common.

[Hotwheels]

(06-18-2015 11:27 AM)MMX2010 Wrote:  

(06-18-2015 11:23 AM)DavidTheGnome Wrote:  

America is if nothing else a land of young white men preying on black churchgoers. The white on black violence here is atrocious. There are many white neighborhoods even the police wont go into. Any black people foolish enough to do so are usually carjacked and quite often killed over relatively trivial amounts of money.

I only got four hours of sleep last night, so my judgment may be off. But does anyone else find this post trollish?

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Thanks to the two people who replied below. I've reported the post, so you all don't have to.

I read it as being facetious.