[CactusCat589]

(05-04-2015 07:59 AM)VolandoVengoVolandoVoy Wrote:  

The Satanist Church needs to troll Texans now, and see how tolerant they would be of a Jesus Christ cartoon exhibit. Preferably one with the Stations of the Cross reworked to show Jesus being sodomized and tortured by demons.

I am betting the result would be vandalism and a shooting by Christian extremists.

Let's open a betting pool. What are you putting up and what are you offering? If there were such a Jesus Christ cartoon exhibit, Christians wouldn't vandalize or resort to terrorism.

Because they aren't Muslims.

[VolandoVengoVolandoVoy]

(05-04-2015 10:04 AM)CactusCat589 Wrote:  

Let's open a betting pool. What are you putting up and what are you offering? If there were such a Jesus Christ cartoon exhibit, Christians wouldn't vandalize or resort to terrorism.

Because they aren't Muslims.

Okay, you lose. How much did you bet?

http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2014...da-capitol

Quote:

A woman was in custody today after damaging a Satanic Temple holiday display — a diorama of Lucifer falling into the flames of hell — in Florida's Capitol.

John Porgal, the regional director of American Atheists, told NPR member station WFSU that the group plans to press charges. And, he said, the display would stay as it is.

"We'll put it back in that condition that it was in when she damaged it originally — as a sign of what the religious right's idea of tolerance is," he said.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/04/02...96665.html

Quote:

A small bomb exploded outside a Planned Parenthood clinic in Grand Chute, Wis., on Sunday night, and police are investigating to learn who planted the device.

According to WGBA-TV, police fire crews found the homemade explosive outside a window sill that they believe had set off a small fire, which burned out before fire crews arrived. The building sustained a small amount of damage.

[TheWastelander]

Why is it that atheists seem to constantly bring up Christianity when extremist Muslims, who don't represent mainstream American Muslims at all, do something bad?

I mean, we even have a President who goes on stage and babbles about the Crusades.

Why do you hate Christianity so much? Just be secure in your non-belief and let it go.

[VolandoVengoVolandoVoy]

(05-04-2015 10:23 AM)TheWastelander Wrote:  

Why is it that atheists seem to constantly bring up Christianity when extremist Muslims, who don't represent mainstream American Muslims at all, do something bad?

I mean, we even have a President who goes on stage and babbles about the Crusades.

Why do you hate Christianity so much? Just be secure in your non-belief and let it go.

I don't hate Christianity specifically. All religions are equally devoid of truth and reality in my opinion. What I do hate is hypocrisy and a constant attempt to legislate based on superstition, and to invade public space and discourse with useless religious dogma.

The reason I bring up Christianity is because the organizers of this event in Texas want to pretend that it's about free speech and their deeply held 'Merican beliefs in freedom.

The reality is that their understanding of religious freedom is that you are free to be as Christian as you want to be, and that other religions are suspect at best, and idolatrous more likely. The goal of this event was to mock Islam, not promote free speech.

[Samseau]

(05-04-2015 10:19 AM)VolandoVengoVolandoVoy Wrote:  

(05-04-2015 10:04 AM)CactusCat589 Wrote:  

Let's open a betting pool. What are you putting up and what are you offering? If there were such a Jesus Christ cartoon exhibit, Christians wouldn't vandalize or resort to terrorism.

Because they aren't Muslims.

Okay, you lose. How much did you bet?

http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2014...da-capitol

Quote:

A woman was in custody today after damaging a Satanic Temple holiday display — a diorama of Lucifer falling into the flames of hell — in Florida's Capitol.

John Porgal, the regional director of American Atheists, told NPR member station WFSU that the group plans to press charges. And, he said, the display would stay as it is.

"We'll put it back in that condition that it was in when she damaged it originally — as a sign of what the religious right's idea of tolerance is," he said.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/04/02...96665.html

You're comparing a woman who damaged a display to two guys shooting up an exhibit full of people? Uhh...

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A small bomb exploded outside a Planned Parenthood clinic in Grand Chute, Wis., on Sunday night, and police are investigating to learn who planted the device.

According to WGBA-TV, police fire crews found the homemade explosive outside a window sill that they believe had set off a small fire, which burned out before fire crews arrived. The building sustained a small amount of damage.

But here, there is a moral issue: the bombing of planned parenthood can be claimed to at least save lives, since bombing the center will save the lives of children who may have been aborted.

Furthermore, the bombing was at night so no one was harmed.


Islam - religion of death.

[VolandoVengoVolandoVoy]

(05-04-2015 10:29 AM)Samseau Wrote:  

But here, there is a moral issue: the bombing of planned parenthood can be claimed to at least save lives, since bombing the center will save the lives of children who may have been aborted.

Furthermore, the bombing was at night so no one was harmed.


Islam - religion of death.

The women that go to that clinic would just go elsewhere.

And even if you simultaneously bombed every single abortion clinic in the United States for the greater glory of Jesus, you wouldn't end up saving lives.

Women would still abort, they would just do so without proper medical supervision, just like they did before it was legalized. As a result, many would die in botched procedures. And the rich would still send their daughters abroad to get medical abortions, just like the good old days. So, the end result of a perfectly successful Christian campaign of terrorist bombings would be a bunch of poor women dying a slow horrible death of sepsis.

[TheWastelander]

(05-04-2015 10:28 AM)VolandoVengoVolandoVoy Wrote:  

(05-04-2015 10:23 AM)TheWastelander Wrote:  

Why is it that atheists seem to constantly bring up Christianity when extremist Muslims, who don't represent mainstream American Muslims at all, do something bad?

I mean, we even have a President who goes on stage and babbles about the Crusades.

Why do you hate Christianity so much? Just be secure in your non-belief and let it go.

I don't hate Christianity specifically. All religions are equally devoid of truth and reality in my opinion. What I do hate is hypocrisy and a constant attempt to legislate based on superstition, and to invade public space and discourse with useless religious dogma.

The reason I bring up Christianity is because the organizers of this event in Texas want to pretend that it's about free speech and their deeply held 'Merican beliefs in freedom.

The reality is that their understanding of religious freedom is that you are free to be as Christian as you want to be, and that other religions are suspect at best, and idolatrous more likely. The goal of this event was to mock Islam, not promote free speech.

Not that it matters, but do you have any proof that the event organizers or that the vast majority of people in attendance were Christians motivated by hatred of Islam? Or that they want to legislate their religious beliefs?

Geert Wilders isn't a Christian, last time I checked. I think you're stereotyping and assuming things without any evidence just because it's Texas.

[Ziltoid]

(05-04-2015 10:28 AM)VolandoVengoVolandoVoy Wrote:  

What I do hate is hypocrisy and a constant attempt to legislate based on superstition, and to invade public space and discourse with useless religious dogma.

Uhh, OK, what hypocrisy...? You're mad about a hypothetical scenario you made up involving Christians as compared to the actual events that have happened involving Muslims?

(05-04-2015 10:28 AM)VolandoVengoVolandoVoy Wrote:  

The reason I bring up Christianity is because the organizers of this event in Texas want to pretend that it's about free speech and their deeply held 'Merican beliefs in freedom.

The reality is that their understanding of religious freedom is that you are free to be as Christian as you want to be, and that other religions are suspect at best, and idolatrous more likely. The goal of this event was to mock Islam, not promote free speech.

Stop acting like you somehow know anything about this situation, you're embarrassing yourself.

You, like everyone else in this thread, heard about this event for the first time somewhere in the last 14 hours because of the news of the shooting. Somehow since then you've done exhaustive research and polled all the organizers and attendees about their religious affiliations and political leanings?

Pointless rhetoric like this why I rarely use the word "atheist" to describe myself anymore; you remind me of myself at age 14.

[PainPositive]

(05-04-2015 10:19 AM)VolandoVengoVolandoVoy Wrote:  

(05-04-2015 10:04 AM)CactusCat589 Wrote:  

Let's open a betting pool. What are you putting up and what are you offering? If there were such a Jesus Christ cartoon exhibit, Christians wouldn't vandalize or resort to terrorism.

Because they aren't Muslims.

Okay, you lose. How much did you bet?

http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2014...da-capitol

Quote:

A woman was in custody today after damaging a Satanic Temple holiday display — a diorama of Lucifer falling into the flames of hell — in Florida's Capitol.

John Porgal, the regional director of American Atheists, told NPR member station WFSU that the group plans to press charges. And, he said, the display would stay as it is.

"We'll put it back in that condition that it was in when she damaged it originally — as a sign of what the religious right's idea of tolerance is," he said.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/04/02...96665.html

Quote:

A small bomb exploded outside a Planned Parenthood clinic in Grand Chute, Wis., on Sunday night, and police are investigating to learn who planted the device.

According to WGBA-TV, police fire crews found the homemade explosive outside a window sill that they believe had set off a small fire, which burned out before fire crews arrived. The building sustained a small amount of damage.

This is a great example. Ask yourself the number of bombed planned parenthood centers in the last 50 years. Compare the number of people who blow things/ themselves up. Christians vs. Muslims.

How many bombings like this one have been commited? Less than 5. No comparison.

[Honorable Man]

(05-04-2015 10:28 AM)VolandoVengoVolandoVoy Wrote:  

The goal of this event was to mock Islam, not promote free speech.

This is simply a projection on your part until you demonstrate that this is true. But even if it was the actual goal, mocking Islam (or any other religion) is promoting free speech.

[Roosh]

(05-04-2015 07:59 AM)VolandoVengoVolandoVoy Wrote:  

The Satanist Church needs to troll Texans now, and see how tolerant they would be of a Jesus Christ cartoon exhibit. Preferably one with the Stations of the Cross reworked to show Jesus being sodomized and tortured by demons.

I am betting the result would be vandalism and a shooting by Christian extremists.

I would take the opposing bet. If there were live abortions being performed at that cross, there may be protesters with signs.

[Suits]

(05-04-2015 10:28 AM)VolandoVengoVolandoVoy Wrote:  

(05-04-2015 10:23 AM)TheWastelander Wrote:  

Why is it that atheists seem to constantly bring up Christianity when extremist Muslims, who don't represent mainstream American Muslims at all, do something bad?

I mean, we even have a President who goes on stage and babbles about the Crusades.

Why do you hate Christianity so much? Just be secure in your non-belief and let it go.

I don't hate Christianity specifically. All religions are equally devoid of truth and reality in my opinion. What I do hate is hypocrisy and a constant attempt to legislate based on superstition, and to invade public space and discourse with useless religious dogma.

And yet, we have a four page thread discussing a Christian pastor who had reached extremely red pill conclusions about women and marriage, simply by reading the Bible.

[WalterBlack]

I'm not sure how you embed a tweet, but I've quoted one here:

https://twitter.com/EvanSayet/status/595055755411099648

Quote:

My favorite drawings at the Muhammad cartoon festival in Texas were the two chalk outlines out front.

[britchard]

VVVV, stop. As a Christian, I completely believe in anyone's right to mock and ridicule any aspect of Christianity. I completely condemn defacing of objects and bombing abortion clinics or whatever by Christians.

Hate speech means nothing to me. So what if it's hate speech.

I'll leave you with a Stephen Fry quote:

'It's now very common to hear people say, "I'm rather offended by that", as if that gives them certain rights. It's no more than a whine. It has no meaning, it has no purpose, it has no reason to be respected as a phrase.

"I'm offended by that"

Well, so fucking what?'

[LINUX]

It's a good thing none of these guys had to perform a foot chase.

[Troll King]

Is Geert Wilder's that tall or are they short?

Honestly they don't look all that heavy to me.

[VolandoVengoVolandoVoy]

(05-04-2015 11:34 AM)Suits Wrote:  

And yet, we have a four page thread discussing a Christian pastor who had reached extremely red pill conclusions about women and marriage, simply by reading the Bible.

I'm not sure what that is supposed to prove.

I also do not think it is possible to be both red pill and religious.

Red pill means seeing naked reality for what it is and acting accordingly, depending solely on oneself.

Religion means suspending rationality and wishing for things to be different than they are, and to seek assistance from an imaginary superior being rather than oneself.

[TheWastelander]

(05-04-2015 12:44 PM)Troll King Wrote:  

Is Geert Wilder's that tall or are they short?

Honestly they don't look all that heavy to me.

Geert Wilders is assumed to be around 6'4", or so says a commenter in the following link:

http://how-tall.com/Geert%20Wilders

[TigerMandingo]

(05-04-2015 12:20 PM)LINUX Wrote:  



It's a good thing none of these guys had to perform a foot chase.

I can't tell whether they are fat or jacked.

[lskdfjldsf]

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All religions are equally devoid of truth and reality in my opinion.

It's impossible for someone to study and compare the source materials of Christianity and Islam (Bible, Koran, Hadith, etc.), and still believe that they're "equally" devoid of truth and reality. Even the most secular atheists (Richard Dawkins, Sam Harris, etc.) admit that Christianity, at it's core, is a benign religion.

In terms of extremist elements within Christianity vs. Islam, it's a discussion that shouldn't even be taking place to begin with, as statistics on the probability of attacks, frequency of attacks, cited motivation for attacks, damage inflicted, etc. are so overwhelmingly lopsided against Islam.

A dispassionate review of the evidence leads to a conclusion at direct odds with egalitarian beliefs, so media and government will lie, justify false equivalency, and distort facts to keep the peace.

[vinman]

[VolandoVengoVolandoVoy]

(05-04-2015 12:53 PM)Blick Mang Wrote:  

It's impossible for someone to study and compare the source materials of Christianity and Islam (Bible, Koran, Hadith, etc.), and still believe that they're "equally" devoid of truth and reality. Even the most secular atheists (Richard Dawkins, Sam Harris, etc.) admit that Christianity, at it's core, is a benign religion.

In terms of extremist elements within Christianity vs. Islam, it's a discussion that shouldn't even be taking place to begin with, as statistics on the probability of attacks, frequency of attacks, cited motivation for attacks, damage inflicted, etc. are so overwhelmingly lopsided against Islam.

A dispassionate review of the evidence leads to a conclusion at direct odds with egalitarian beliefs, so media and government will lie, justify false equivalency, and distort facts to keep the peace.

Currently, those statistics are correct. Although to be fair, it's only in the last century or so that Islam has pulled ahead of Christianity to be the most violent religion.

I never said that (at the present moment), that both religions were equal in their propensity for violence, merely that they were equal in their level of objective truth/reality. Zero is equal to zero.

I was just thinking of something else. While intent matters to the living, I doubt it is very significant to the dead. I am guessing the number of civilians killed accidentally as "collateral damage" in US military strikes greatly exceeds the number of civilians killed deliberately by Muslims in terrorist attacks in the past 15 years.

Here's another interesting hypothetical. Presumably the US military acts honorably and with good intentions, with the ultimate goal of saving lives by achieving stability. A lot of people have died in the Middle East in the past 15 years. If the US had said fuck it, and never engaged militarily in Iraq, and not gotten involved in their latest civil war, and just let them fight it out, would there be more deaths or less?

[mikado]

(05-04-2015 01:03 PM)VolandoVengoVolandoVoy Wrote:  

I am guessing the number of civilians killed accidentally as "collateral damage" in US military strikes greatly exceeds the number of civilians killed deliberately by Muslims in terrorist attacks in the past 15 years.

Here's another interesting hypothetical. Presumably the US military acts honorably and with good intentions, with the ultimate goal of saving lives by achieving stability. A lot of people have died in the Middle East in the past 15 years. If the US had said fuck it, and never engaged militarily in Iraq, and not gotten involved in their latest civil war, and just let them fight it out, would there be more deaths or less?

This.
Somehow Islam has become the greatest threat ever in the world. And USA/christianity is the true "country/religion of peace".

[alexdagr81]

I can see the National Rifle Association using this situation as a compare and contrast with Charlie Hebdo.

Charlie Hebdo - 12 people murdered

Texas draw Muhammad day - 2 suspects killed

[lskdfjldsf]

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I am guessing the number of civilians killed accidentally as "collateral damage" in US military strikes greatly exceeds the number of civilians killed deliberately by Muslims in terrorist attacks in the past 15 years.

Conventional military action and religiously motivated terrorism are two completely different things. If the moral line in the sand is drawn when civilians die, then you should also include civilians killed by Muslim conventional forces. (Iran/Iraq war, civil wars in Syria and Libya, etc.). Even in the cases you cite against the U.S., for example the Iraq War, 87% of civilian casualties were caused by other Muslims.

Compare apples with apples and oranges with oranges - a country is not a religion.