[britchard]

' Yes, but does America kill for the sake of killing those of another religion? No it doesn't, and the fact that some Muslims do is very scary.

[kaotic]

The fact these idiots were stupid enough to not even do recon work before attacking in TEXAS of all places shows how unprepared they were.

Fuck them.

[robreke]

(05-04-2015 10:04 AM)CactusCat589 Wrote:  

(05-04-2015 07:59 AM)VolandoVengoVolandoVoy Wrote:  

The Satanist Church needs to troll Texans now, and see how tolerant they would be of a Jesus Christ cartoon exhibit. Preferably one with the Stations of the Cross reworked to show Jesus being sodomized and tortured by demons.

I am betting the result would be vandalism and a shooting by Christian extremists.

Let's open a betting pool. What are you putting up and what are you offering? If there were such a Jesus Christ cartoon exhibit, Christians wouldn't vandalize or resort to terrorism.

Because they aren't Muslims.

Of course that would not happen: That is, Christian zealots committing acts of violence for retribution for perceived 'wrongs' against their prophet (Jesus)

That's bordering on a straw man argument: something along the lines of "we have to be careful of fringe zealots for any religions. Not just Islam!"

It's really just a weak comeback to what we all see is patently obvious; Islamist extremists pose a threat to civilized society and our way of living in the world today. This can not be said about any religious extremists of any other religion with near the believable conviction that it can be said about Islam. This statement is true based on the simple evidence. That is, anytime a terrorist attack is committed in the world and we read it or see it on the news, it's invariably a Muslim.

While I do agree there are plenty of Christian fringe weirdos, Christians just don't do this sort of thing. There is no current Christian jihad going on. The air marshals that now fly on all these domestic flights weren't put there because of something Christians did. We don't wait in long lines at the airport in America because of something ANY OTHER RELIGION Besides Islamists did (that is terrorist attacks).

It's what Islamist extremists did on 911 as to why all these inconveniences at the airport and heightened security in many places happen.

Sure the politically correct thing is to spread it across the board that all religions "are like that" or "have the potential to be like that" so as not to look like we're biased or forming stereotypes. The fact of the matter is that when any person with a normally operating brain turns on the TV in the morning and the first thing they see is something like "BREAKING NEWS- Terrorist Attack In (pick your part of the world)" The first thing that rational person is going to think is "Muslim terrorist nut jobs"

Why is that the first thing they're going to think? Because more than 9 times out of 10 for the last umpteen years, any time a terrorist attack has occurred in the world, it HAS been Muslims. Logic 101.

Anyone ever heard of "piss Christ"? It was some whack job liberal art exhibit in New York a few years back that was the crucifix sitting in a large container of human urine (considered art by rich east coast athiest lefties ). It was on display for years ( and may still be ) There was never any attacks by any Christian nuts.

How long do you think a caricature of Mohammed dipped in piss as a show of "art" would have lasted without some blood being spilled?

Sure, Christianity has had it's dark, intolerant, and bloody phases of history. But, it's nowhere near the current reigning champ of intolerant religions.

In addition, most Muslims in the U.S. are peaceful and just want to live their lives, but feel that the terrorists are giving them a bad name.

Islam (the jihad, fringe part of it ) is a much more violent and intolerant religion than any other these days. At least this is true for the current block of history we live in.

[Seth_Rose]

^^^ Absolutely, was just going to mention piss Christ.

Who cares if this was 'egging Muslims on'. Civilized people don't murder others because they were offended.

People who are more concerned by offending Muslims, than by radicals gunning down people exercising their free speech are a grave threat to the USA.

[iamdegaussed]

Excellent to see a couple of Muslim extremists getting what most Muslim extremists deserve.

[AnonymousBosch]

[quote] (05-04-2015 01:26 PM)mikado Wrote:  

[quote='VolandoVengoVolandoVoy' pid='1013636' dateline='1430762593']
I am guessing the number of civilians killed accidentally as "collateral damage" in US military strikes greatly exceeds the number of civilians killed deliberately by Muslims in terrorist attacks in the past 15 years.[/quote]



Here's almost a Millennia of recorded history for you, showing the aggressive military expansion tactics of 'the Religion of Peace'. For such an oppressed, innocent, punch-downable people the terms 'Muslim Invaders', 'captures' and 'controls' crop up an awful lot. Somehow, the last 30 years of modernity is supposed to somehow have changed their expansionist beliefs, when some of the city sieges in that list took 75 years.

Muslim Imperialism from 355-1291 A.D.

I suspect this eternal war will continue whether a country has a large Christian population or not: an atheist is just someone who hasn't been converted yet.

[VolandoVengoVolandoVoy]

(05-04-2015 02:45 PM)AnonymousBosch Wrote:  



Here's almost a Millennia of recorded history for you, showing the aggressive military expansion tactics of 'the Religion of Peace'. For such an oppressed, innocent, punch-downable people the terms 'Muslim Invaders', 'captures' and 'controls' crop up an awful lot. Somehow, the last 30 years of modernity is supposed to somehow have changed their expansionist beliefs, when some of the city sieges in that list took 75 years.

Muslim Imperialism from 355-1291 A.D.

I suspect this eternal war will continue whether a country has a large Christian population or not: an atheist is just someone who hasn't been converted yet.

A history lesson? I could give you one, and go into great detail. I am very familiar with the early history of both Christianity and Islam.

But then again, what would be the use? If you really think that I view Muslims as "oppressed, innocent, punch-downable" then you have paid no attention whatsoever to my posts, and view the world in absolutist terms. For you, I am some sort of generic liberal Muslim apologist boogeyman. If someone views Christianity negatively, it can only mean that they embrace Islam and Muslim extremism. You have completely missed the fact that I regard Islam as appalling and backwards and think the world would be a better place without it.

Want to know what an atheist is? Someone who is actually red pill.

[roberto]

(05-04-2015 01:37 AM)Suits Wrote:  

(05-04-2015 01:14 AM)CrashBangWallop Wrote:  

Just seen the pictures of the "security". They had their own little Platoon guarding that conference!

Who the fuck would think that place was a good idea to attack?

Nice idea though to smoke out some home grownies.

Guaranteed, whoever was organizing this event was certainly a little excited by the prospect of someone with ill intent showing up and definitely very pleased with themselves right now.

Fully agree. Texans were trolling Muslims. Top marks. Freedom of speech demonstrated and defended.

However, I would lay any money that if the aforementioned blasphemous anti-Christ display was put on in Texas, there would be serious violence. Freedom of speech would not apply.

I'm coming to realise that complete freedom of speech is just not sustainable. If you profess to enshrine it fully, a stronger culture will just ride roughshod over you, as we see in Europe.

All a man can do is associate with those whose 'freedom of speech' extends to his views as far as possible.

[TheWastelander]

http://www.rooshvforum.network/thread-46907-...pid1005550

Quote:

Race discussions on the internet are trite as fuck and often reek of paranoia and insecurity. Religious discussions often devolve into atheists flinging shit at Christians and everyone flinging shit at Muslims.

The internet, let alone RVF, is just not a good place for these topics to be discussed at all because the veil of anonymity emboldens trolls and leads to inflammatory things being written that probably wouldn't be uttered in person.

[Wutang]

(05-04-2015 03:08 PM)VolandoVengoVolandoVoy Wrote:  

(05-04-2015 02:45 PM)AnonymousBosch Wrote:  



Here's almost a Millennia of recorded history for you, showing the aggressive military expansion tactics of 'the Religion of Peace'. For such an oppressed, innocent, punch-downable people the terms 'Muslim Invaders', 'captures' and 'controls' crop up an awful lot. Somehow, the last 30 years of modernity is supposed to somehow have changed their expansionist beliefs, when some of the city sieges in that list took 75 years.

Muslim Imperialism from 355-1291 A.D.

I suspect this eternal war will continue whether a country has a large Christian population or not: an atheist is just someone who hasn't been converted yet.

Want to know what an atheist is? Someone who is actually red pill.

Why is it that the biggest atheists I know or that I see both irl or online are also the people who support pretty much every cause that anyone who affiliates with the red pill would find abhorrent and that pretty much every organized atheist movement pays heed to every SJW cause possible?

While it is of course possible to be an atheist and subscribe to RP ideals, you have to admit that there is a huge correlation between one of those angry, neckbeard atheists (or for the female equivalent: neon-colored tattooed chubby freaks) and supporting SJW ideals. Example: Atheist Plus.

[PainPositive]

This could be an awesome thread. Actually right now it is very good and informative But unfortunately someone will get emotional and start name calling. I agree with above post, even here on RVF, a well moderated forum, will not be able to keep this conversation civil. But we will see.

[IvanDrago]

(05-04-2015 03:46 PM)PainPositive Wrote:  

This could be an awesome thread. Actually right now it is very good and informative But unfortunately someone will get emotional and start name calling.

You are a poopy pants poopy head.

[Uzisuicide]

Fundamentalist Christians have always defended the West against Islam. It was Christians who gave us free speech at America's founding. How come when Radical Muslims do something stupid there's a knee jerk reaction by some to defend it by attacking those who aren't involved. Right wing, Bible believing, fundamentalists are on the front lines defending Western civilization from radical Islamists and leftists whom attack the very foundations of what has made us prosperous. Liberty University, Franklin Graham, John Hagge's Cornerstone Church in Texas, and James Dobson to name a few are fighting to defend America and traditional values from the SJW's. They never resort to violence or foment violence against free speech. We need these guys in the fight, they are our last defense against against liberalism and radical Islam. Both of whom actively try to silence any speech they disagree with.

[Esus]

This is interesting to compare the different approaches from the medias of this shooting and the Charlie Hebdo's one.

-Charlie Hebdo a far left magazine : "This is horrendous, our freedom of speech is endanger, we must do something, Je suis Charlie"

-Now you have a right wing event doing the same thing that Charlie Hebdo was doing and suddenly the same people who were "Charlie" say they promoted "hate speech", are "anti muslim" and had this coming.

It still blows my mind how the mainstream media can be hypocrite and how the large amount people swallowing their shit can be stupid.

[Cattle Rustler]

The pilgrims were not that religious at all....

http://www.history.com/news/5-things-you...e-pilgrims

[TheWastelander]

(05-04-2015 04:27 PM)Cattle Rustler Wrote:  

The pilgrims were not that religious at all....

http://www.history.com/news/5-things-you...e-pilgrims

It's neither here nor there, but I think you kind of misinterpreted the stuff on that site. It'd be more accurate to say a decent number (larger than once thought) of the people on the Mayflower weren't motivated to make the journey solely for religious reasons.

Pilgrims, by their definition, are people who travel somewhere because of some religious reason and the Puritans were deeply religious..sometimes to their own detriment.

[CactusCat589]

(05-04-2015 03:08 PM)VolandoVengoVolandoVoy Wrote:  

(05-04-2015 02:45 PM)AnonymousBosch Wrote:  



Here's almost a Millennia of recorded history for you, showing the aggressive military expansion tactics of 'the Religion of Peace'. For such an oppressed, innocent, punch-downable people the terms 'Muslim Invaders', 'captures' and 'controls' crop up an awful lot. Somehow, the last 30 years of modernity is supposed to somehow have changed their expansionist beliefs, when some of the city sieges in that list took 75 years.

Muslim Imperialism from 355-1291 A.D.

I suspect this eternal war will continue whether a country has a large Christian population or not: an atheist is just someone who hasn't been converted yet.

A history lesson? I could give you one, and go into great detail. I am very familiar with the early history of both Christianity and Islam.

But then again, what would be the use? If you really think that I view Muslims as "oppressed, innocent, punch-downable" then you have paid no attention whatsoever to my posts, and view the world in absolutist terms. For you, I am some sort of generic liberal Muslim apologist boogeyman. If someone views Christianity negatively, it can only mean that they embrace Islam and Muslim extremism. You have completely missed the fact that I regard Islam as appalling and backwards and think the world would be a better place without it.

Want to know what an atheist is? Someone who is actually red pill.

You take every single possible opportunity, even in threads that have nothing to do with Christianity like this one, to rant on Christianity. Out of nowhere. Never a word of criticism of Islam until you're backed into a corner. This is a happy occasion where terrorists who try to murder people in a pathetically cowardly way, a drive-by shooting, and you're right in the mix with your hate that they failed to kill anyone.

I ask pretty directly whether Christian extremists would respond to a Jesus Christ art exhibit the same way, and you, lacking a example of such an incident, feebly draw up a non-sequitur about abortion clinic bombings. Let me make it clear for you: you made a ridiculous statement about Christianity and it's relationship to freedom of speech. It is mocked in public broadcasts, on print, it's pretty much commonplace, and at most you hear a word of protest.

Because the men who devised freedom of speech were certainly not Muslim.

[kaotic]

Coming from a Muslim family - these gunmen deserve everything they got.

I'm not really a religious man, my religion is logic, science, and common sense.

Everyone should condemn these shooters. Yes islamic extremism is a problem BUT most muslims don't give a fuck about some jihad, especially the secular ones here. Ever notice that there are converts in the mix that are shot or arrested ?

Sorry but freedoms of speech isn't free anymore, just look at the faux SJW outrage and outings.

Texans for sure trolled the Muslims, yeah they can be condemned by regular muslims without them being labeled extremists.

We make fun of a pedo pope or asshole jesus memes all the time, Mohammed shouldn't be excluded, sorry about it guys.

Obviously yeah, a muslim out there might get pissed to the point they want to send hot ones downrange.

Most will just shake their head and move on - it's not like they didn't get shit before, during, and after 9/11.

Roberto makes a good point, do it against Christianity there might be violence down there as well.

I do like the point that, with Charlie Hebdo, those gunmen killed all those people. Whereas in Texas the only people killed were the gunmen.

[Roosh]

7 day ban for Volando

[Zep]

(05-04-2015 05:12 PM)Roosh Wrote:  

7 day ban for Volando

Sorry.

I couldnt help it, that sound literally filled my head when I saw the ban.

Again, I'm sorry.

[Carlos100]

Apparently, the two gunmen drove all the way from Phoenix to attack the exhibit. Doesn't look like they scouted it out or did any extensive planning, they just pulled up in front and tried to bum rush it. The police responded quickly and effectively.

The two apparently were Islamic extremists, and one of them had been prosecuted previously for trying to travel to Somalia to join a militant Islamic group. It might not be a bad idea sometimes to stage events like this in order to draw these kooks out of the woodwork. The problem is that some of them might try to be more thorough and professional in their execution of their planned attack than these two, which of course puts the police and bystanders at risk.

[Wutang]

(05-04-2015 04:17 PM)Esus Wrote:  

This is interesting to compare the different approaches from the medias of this shooting and the Charlie Hebdo's one.

-Charlie Hebdo a far left magazine : "This is horrendous, our freedom of speech is endanger, we must do something, Je suis Charlie"

-Now you have a right wing event doing the same thing that Charlie Hebdo was doing and suddenly the same people who were "Charlie" say they promoted "hate speech", are "anti muslim" and had this coming.

It still blows my mind how the mainstream media can be hypocrite and how the large amount people swallowing their shit can be stupid.

To be fair I did see a lot of leftist progressive types criticize Charlie Hedbo for printing those cartoons after the attacks happened. They couldn't straight out say "they got what they deserved" but there was lots of talk about "punching down" and stuff along the lines of "Well I don't support violence buuuuut..." followed by how the racist conditions of their society and lack of opportunity have contributed to radicalism blah blah blah - their standard playbook. So while I do think they are as usual being silly at least they were internally consistent.

[Quintus Curtius]

I haven't heard anyone mention yet in this thread that this "conference" was organized by a venomous little guttersnipe named Pamela Geller.

Ms. Geller has her own sectarian and political agenda, which will become clear by reading the following:

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/cartoon...id=UP97DHP

It wouldn't surprise me in the least if Ms. Geller and her "organization" were in the pay of a foreign government with the purpose of inflaming hatred against Arabs and Muslims.

There's a scene in the beginning of the film "The Exorcist" where Max Von Sydow sees two feral dogs fighting savagely with each other. Someone tells him, "Evil against evil." The figure of a demon bestrides the scene, as if directing the fighting from on high.

That sums up about how I feel about these incidents. Lunatics are battling against lunatics, with rational men being caught in the middle.

And this is an apt metaphor for what we are seeing today, with the rise of idiocy, fanaticism, and lunacy from all sides of the religious spectrum.

Despite all this, I still think religions have an important role to play in society, and I've said this many times before. No one religion is "better" or "worse" than any other. None of the major world faiths, with the possible exception of Buddhism, has any claim to the moral high ground over the others. Each has a history with two faces: one bedecked in jewels, and the other soaked in blood.

And each is only an attempt by man to describe in supernatural terms what his own community's ethos stands for.

When thinking about religion, try to think of the "whys" behind them. Don't try to approach theology with logic, because that only leads to frustration. We should be asking ourselves: if religions are so "illogical" and terrible, why have they been around since man first learned to walk upright?

Thinking men go through stages in dealing with their feelings about religion. First there is fear, then resistance, then finally comes understanding.

Have patience with man's myths. They embody our most enduring values.

I'd recommend anyone interested in these things to see the film "Cave of Forgotten Dreams" by Werner Herzog. That will give you an idea of just how long religions have been around. Then I'd recommend reading the book "The Golden Bough: A Study in Comparative Religion" by James G. Frazer. This will give you a better appreciation for the "whys": that is, why have religions started, and why do they endure.

Q

[LeeEnfield303]

[birdie num num]

(05-04-2015 08:28 PM)Quintus Curtius Wrote:  

I haven't heard anyone mention yet in this thread that this "conference" was organized by a venomous little guttersnipe named Pamela Geller.

Ms. Geller has her own sectarian and political agenda, which will become clear by reading the following:

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/cartoon...id=UP97DHP

It wouldn't surprise me in the least if Ms. Geller and her "organization" were in the pay of a foreign government with the purpose of inflaming hatred against Arabs and Muslims.

There are also suspicions surrounding Geert Wilders. When he was younger he spent time on an Israeli kibbutz. Also, he's been seen visiting the Israeli consulate in the Netherlands on several occasions. Just something to consider.