[Drix]

Your description is okay, i don't see why didn't you get your flag? My conclusion is that Girls friendzoned because You are a tourist and they want a serious relationship, they know you will leave soon.

as @Going Strong Mentioned: Sometimes we need one month to realize about the new place.

As a strong suggestion: Learn how to dance salsa and bachata, it doesn't matter in a basic way, at least, you can try to dance with a foreign chick. I know they are mostly interested in the local peruvians, but you have a better appareance, some things more, i think you can get your flag.

In the case of peruvian girls, Goldiggers are in every country. Keep with the day game, Be more humorous(don't care about the language barrier, just try). There is one university UNSAAC, San Antonio de Abad. You can practice daygame there, Don't give up. Sadly, i am not there to analyze how do you approach and other factors.

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(09-06-2016 10:09 PM)Australia Sucks Wrote:  

You think people from Cusco are friendly because you are Peruvian. People from Cusco mostly treat foreigners like dirt.

Not if Gringo, or with Money.

[Australia Sucks]

Scrambled well that has been my experience, perhaps because I am not "white" (many Peruvians think I am a Brazilian tourist) and I am not loaded with cash (not a broke backpacker but not throwing money around either. I would say I am a medium budget traveller).

In general I have not been treated well by the local people from Cusco.

[Australia Sucks]

Drix, I did a bit of game in the university of San Antonia today like you suggested. It was a total failure. There were not enough girls let alone attractive girls (maybe because it was not a good time. I was there between 5 and 6 p.m.) The girls I did approach had massive bitch shields. Girls in Plaza De Armas are actually nicer to me. Actually the girls I approached in University of San Antonia had higher bitch shields than girls from my home city of Sydney Australia!! A lot of girls from Cusco give me a dirty look as soon as I open my mouth and say hola or buenas tardes. It is as if they are thinking why the fuck/how dare this foreigner speak to me.

After I bombed out at university of San Antonio I gamed the seating areas on the streets a few minutes walk from real Plaza. I managed to get one phone number that is probably flakey.

[Australia Sucks]

On the way (walking) to San Antonia university I opened some sets with no luck. I did eat some popcorn made from different types of corn. It was multi-coloured, tasty and cheap. I also ate fried potatoe which was stuffed with vegetables. It was tasty and cheap. Some of the street food in Cusco is good.

[Australia Sucks]

Peru is the 6th country I have been to. I have never been to a city where people are as racist or backwards as Cusco. I hate people from Cusco. In my opinion they are mostly a bunch of racist, lazy, entitled, backwards, short-sighted, ugly cunts. I have never been to a city where I hated the locals this much. I met a Spanish guy from Madrid today (yes, he was white). He has been living in Cusco for 3 years because he married a Peruvian girl. He agreed with me that people from Cusco do not like foreigners. He said to me that people from Lima are much nicer to foreigners. I spoke to a bunch of foreigners (tourists and expats) and also Peruvians from other cities who agreed with me that people from Cusco do not like foreigners.

When I met Peruvians from other cities and towns holidaying or living in Cusco they were generally very nice and friendly. Not people from Cusco though.

[Cogon]

I can now confirm my desicion. This is the country I am picking. REP dom has logistic problems like accomodation not cheap so I will not try yet. I will arrive to Peru Nov 21 and begin reporting back fully about the full truth about how easy Peru is and how easy the easiest really are. Since I pretty much never hear people talk about the easiest/inca type girls that put out on same day (if they exist) I will report back on if it is really like this or not. I will stay in all the different parts of Lima too. I will not only stay in Miraflores. I will stay closer to where the masses of women live. East of the airport will make me really accessible. Barranco/Mira is on the far SE tip of the city. I will instead stay right in the middle of where local people go. Tons of hospedajes all over the place for you to stay in any corner of Lima that you want. And Google street view allows you to track down every single one of them. I already found a hostal near Avenida Alfredo Mendiola, the main thoroughfare for the north big half of Lima. I have a mall, (Plaza Norte - Shopping Mall Galería Norte Independencia) less than quarter a mile super quick walking distance. I will be more accessible than most foreiners in Miraflores/Barranco for most of the barrios in Lima. Unlike when I was not staying in Makati and losing location advantage being so far south of Makati where foreienrs stay, in Lima staying where the foreigners dont stay makes you actually more accessible.

So to those that said the logistics are not good and "most girls live far from where you stay, (Miraflores/Barranco)" Who ever said I will stay there?!?! I will stay near that Plaza Norte mall in a very accessible middle region so I will be the same distance or in most cases closer to where most of them live than the 2 areas people talk about.

I have less than 2 months left till I get to leave the Philippines yippee!!

[natas305]

You're going to Lima to bang chicks and staying in a hostal?....

[Designate]

[Cogon]

(09-12-2016 09:57 PM)natas305 Wrote:  

You're going to Lima to bang chicks and staying in a hostal?....

They dont have anything else near their malls. Funny how the 2 biggest malls I can find in the metro region are, right there walking distance from a spot I chose!
In Lima, the only accommodation outside of the tourist spot is Hostal or Hospedaje. Seems like that is the usual accommodation for anyone that is choosing to stay away from Miraflores as all places are simply called "HS" hospedaje or hostal and got no other name even shown. Cheapest urban accommodation on the planet. In the Philippines I stayed in their versions of "hostal" in places like Malaybalay, Cagayan de oro, Tandag, and other areas and it worked due to the convenience of location. So can't assume yet that it wont work there. Plaza Norte is a great location and I got a second huge mall to choose from too!.

Also, maybe I kind of confused hostals and hospedajes as there must be some difference. But that is why they have different names and all you get in most of Lima. As a general rule all acomodation outside Mira is cheap and no aircon (climate is just cold already) and hospedaje is a collective name for all accommodation outside of the tourist english areas. So yes they are the standard place to stay and yes I will be staying in one. They dont have anything called "hotel" They are called "hospedaje" and you just have to go and pick one that is good enough quality. Davao you have sex hotels like d morvie and regular acomodation. Lima outside of tourist area, you have hostals and hospedajes. That is just the way Lima is. Someone said how even in the tourist area it felt like 'sleeping on the street'. I will stay somewhere that is fine and in the part of the city of my choice, but as Lima is, it won't look aesthetically different than any usual structure in the area. There is very limited variation in structure quality/aesthetics in most of the city which is what caused me to confuse worse accommodation with ones that are fine. This anyone will notice if they spend time living around Lima.

A lo mejor, when I meet a chick that I end up banging in her part of the city, I will be saying I am on such and such street beside this mall and she comes back. Simple as that. Wait I will report back late November from someplace steps away from Plaza north mall lol
If this works power to me!!

Also, anyone find that Lima looks like Pakistan? lol

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(09-09-2016 02:38 AM)Australia Sucks Wrote:  

In my opinion they are mostly a bunch of racist, lazy, entitled, backwards, short-sighted, ugly cunts.

Latinos/South Americans are lazy and ugly, but while you are otherwise busy stereotyping, they are the "racist" ones?

The word "racist" is a bogus propaganda insult and there is no such thing as "racism".

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. . . He agreed with me that people from Cusco do not like foreigners. I spoke to a bunch of foreigners (tourists and expats) and also Peruvians from other cities who agreed with me that people from Cusco do not like foreigners.

I want to help clarify the situation in Cuzco to those who have not yet been, because you keep sending out negative reports (yet never leave the city; perhaps you love to hate it, the way people listened to Rush Limbaugh and Howard Stern's radio shows); you are biased against it more than it deserves. I agree that Cuzco, being a touristy town, is inferior in game options to Lima, the sprawling capital. But, "Whining is anger pushed through a small hole" (Al Franken)—and anger is really hurt being expressed outwardly. Why are you so hurt by a foreign city, the once Incan capital, that is relatively cheap, safe, abounding with quality restaurants and hotels, and usually better weather than most western locations, and with very clear and clear mountain air? Cuzco is not as bad as your repeated and somewhat misleading characterizations; as another pointed out, you need to learn to adapt to the situation instead of expecting it to adapt to you. The Cathedral in Cuzco itself is awe-inspiring.

For your unnamed friends' testimony on how horrible Cuzco is, how convenient is it that hearsay always perfectly agrees with the second-hand giver of it! Not a single person you have spoken to, in the weeks you must have been in Cuzco, has said otherwise than how unfriendly a place it is? I deny that Cuzqueños unduly dislike foreigners; it is rather the opposite, their economy in the city is almost entirely based on tourism, from both Gringos and domestic Peruanos, and the locals are not so stupid as to not make the connection between their incomes and the touristas who spend the money the city lives off of. My best guess is your Spanish isn't good enough and the Peruanos do not speak English well enough to communicate with you, causing a communication problem and frustration. It is true that in Peru, like in France a bit, they have an insular mentality of not learning English well, and preferring strongly their own language. If your Spanish were better, your experience might be as well.

Peru Game: 1) be Gringo, 2) Have at least elementary proficiency Spanish, 3) stay in Miraflores or Barranco .

[Cogon]

Why Miraflores or Barranco?

So with so much of the total population being in a huge mass of city north and totally away from there, what is wrong with staying in the middle of there? In Philippines the recommendation is to just showup (like literally anywhere)

I will have lots of time on my hands in Peru so I will still without any doubt try staying in the middle of the heavily populated north and see what happens. I will be the guinea pig for the north. If it is a success I will recommend staying in these 'new fronteirs' of the city and debunk the idea of Miraflores / Barranco only. If it fails, I pack up and go back there lol

Im still curious to hear why people say it must be Miraflores or Barranco.
Anyways I exceed the minimum requirements for your "Peru Game" with my high level language skills and eye color. I will be flexible about location to see if tweaking location may actually improve things even more.

[kronenbourg]

(09-13-2016 07:22 AM)Cogon Wrote:  

They dont have anything else near their malls. Funny how the 2 biggest malls I can find in the metro region are, right there walking distance from a spot I chose!
In Lima, the only accommodation outside of the tourist spot is Hostal or Hospedaje. Seems like that is the usual accommodation for anyone that is choosing to stay away from Miraflores as all places are simply called "HS" hospedaje or hostal and got no other name even shown. Cheapest urban accommodation on the planet. In the Philippines I stayed in their versions of "hostal" in places like Malaybalay, Cagayan de oro, Tandag, and other areas and it worked due to the convenience of location. So can't assume yet that it wont work there. Plaza Norte is a great location and I got a second huge mall to choose from too!.

Also, maybe I kind of confused hostals and hospedajes as there must be some difference. But that is why they have different names and all you get in most of Lima. As a general rule all acomodation outside Mira is cheap and no aircon (climate is just cold already) and hospedaje is a collective name for all accommodation outside of the tourist english areas. So yes they are the standard place to stay and yes I will be staying in one. They dont have anything called "hotel" They are called "hospedaje" and you just have to go and pick one that is good enough quality. Davao you have sex hotels like d morvie and regular acomodation. Lima outside of tourist area, you have hostals and hospedajes. That is just the way Lima is. Someone said how even in the tourist area it felt like 'sleeping on the street'. I will stay somewhere that is fine and in the part of the city of my choice, but as Lima is, it won't look aesthetically different than any usual structure in the area. There is very limited variation in structure quality/aesthetics in most of the city which is what caused me to confuse worse accommodation with ones that are fine. This anyone will notice if they spend time living around Lima.

I am really confused. There are lots of hotels outside of Miraflores. Actually most of the "hostals" you are talking about might be love hotels.
For picking up girls I do not recommend staying where you are at right now. Most limeñas will take you for a cheap chearlie if you do not stay at Miraflores, San Isidro, Barranco

[Australia Sucks]

Scrambled you are using a straw man argument. I did not say that all south americans are racist. I did not even say that all Peruvians are racist. I said that people from Cusco are mostly racist. Many peruvians i spoke to that were from other cities and travelling through Cusco even agreed with me that people from Cusco are generally unfriendly to foreigners.

I agree perhaps my lack of Spanish ability is perhaps partially responsible for my bad reception but why did the Spaniard and also many Peruvians from other cities (not to mention other tourists) agree with me that people from Cusco do not like foreigners so much? I found people from Aguas Calientes to be the same as people from Cusco. Peruvians I met in other cities (day trips) or in Cusco (on vacation from other cities) were mostly very nice.

Yes the city of Cusco depends a lot on tourism but perhaps the average pleb is resentful of not getting their fair share of the economic benefits. For example while some business owners in Cusco are getting rich the people working for them are mostly getting paid 80 or 90 soles (including tips where applicable) a day if they are lucky (many are paid less) for working 12+ hour days. You cannot live well on that level of pay.

You cannot tell me I do not experience racism in Cusco. Firstly there is institutionlized bias against foreigners in Peru. Many zoos, historical sites, buses, trains, airplanes, etc charge foreigners more than Peruvians. Not to mention when you try to buy anything from a business they will usually try to charge you the "foreigner price". Secondly it has happened to me many times when I walk into a shop outside of the tourist areas in Cusco the shop attendant will not even greet me even if I say for example "hola, buenas noches". Instead they just give me a dirty look like "WTF is this foreigner doing in my store". Not to mention when I ask for directions in Spanish sometimes people just ignore me.

As for the attractiveness of Peruvian girls nobody who has been to Peru will despute that the majority of them are ugly/plain, especially outside of Lima. Yes there are some hot ones but they are the minority and Peru is no Venezuala, Colombia or Argentina. Since when did we become politically correct on this forum? If I said English girls are mostly ugly (true) nobody would bat an eyelid. However when I say Peruvian girls are mostly ugly you feel the need to get politically correct on me. As for the Peruvian guys they are far uglier than the Peruvian girls.

Yes Cusco is cheap, the arcitecture is very nice and well preserved (at least near the centre) and the local cheap food is mostly good. Yes the air is good once you get away from the traffic/pollution. As for the weather, yes the weather is good during the day but is bloody cold (and sometimes windy too) at night.

Most of the expensive restaurants I went to however were mediocre (tourist trap) and as for the foreign food in Cusco its usually so bad its barely edible. Not to mention the usually poor service you recieve for everything. If you have an Italian restaurant owned by a Peruvian (instead of an Italian) who has never been to Italy or recieved training from a proper Italian chef, etc what do you expect? The chef is probably some Peruvian guy who taught himself how to cook Italian from a cookbook.

Also for a small city it has a traffic problem and too many stray dogs which sometimes bark or follow at night when you go for a nightime walk. I will not go into detail about all the other third world problems Cusco has.

You are telling me the hostels, hospedajes and hotels are good? Are you on crack? Sure if you pay the same price as you would in the U.S. or Australia you can find a nice hotel. But in an average hospedaje/hostel try taking a hot shower, its a bloody pain in the ass. Not to mention that in many hospedajes even in the tourist part the staff speak not a word of English. Also no heaters (its cold at night) or air conditioning, etc and mostly while they change the sheets daily, they mostly only change the blankets once a week (if they are not lying about it that is). When breakfast is included it is mediocre at best. To get a private room in a hostel (with private bathroom) somewhere near Plaza De Armas is hardly cheap. 50 or 60 soles if you search around a lot. Yes that is cheaper than Anglo countries but not by as much as you would expect.

I have left Cusco for various treks and day trips to other places. Just this weekend I spent 2 days in lake Titicaca and quite enjoyed it.

[Cogon]

(09-13-2016 09:29 AM)kronenbourg Wrote:  

(09-13-2016 07:22 AM)Cogon Wrote:  

They dont have anything else near their malls. Funny how the 2 biggest malls I can find in the metro region are, right there walking distance from a spot I chose!
In Lima, the only accommodation outside of the tourist spot is Hostal or Hospedaje. Seems like that is the usual accommodation for anyone that is choosing to stay away from Miraflores as all places are simply called "HS" hospedaje or hostal and got no other name even shown. Cheapest urban accommodation on the planet. In the Philippines I stayed in their versions of "hostal" in places like Malaybalay, Cagayan de oro, Tandag, and other areas and it worked due to the convenience of location. So can't assume yet that it wont work there. Plaza Norte is a great location and I got a second huge mall to choose from too!.

Also, maybe I kind of confused hostals and hospedajes as there must be some difference. But that is why they have different names and all you get in most of Lima. As a general rule all acomodation outside Mira is cheap and no aircon (climate is just cold already) and hospedaje is a collective name for all accommodation outside of the tourist english areas. So yes they are the standard place to stay and yes I will be staying in one. They dont have anything called "hotel" They are called "hospedaje" and you just have to go and pick one that is good enough quality. Davao you have sex hotels like d morvie and regular accommodation. Lima outside of tourist area, you have hostals and hospedajes. That is just the way Lima is. Someone said how even in the tourist area it felt like 'sleeping on the street'. I will stay somewhere that is fine and in the part of the city of my choice, but as Lima is, it won't look aesthetically different than any usual structure in the area. There is very limited variation in structure quality/aesthetics in most of the city which is what caused me to confuse worse accommodation with ones that are fine. This anyone will notice if they spend time living around Lima.

I am really confused. There are lots of hotels outside of Miraflores. Actually most of the "hostals" you are talking about might be love hotels.
For picking up girls I do not recommend staying where you are at right now. Most limeñas will take you for a cheap chearlie if you do not stay at Miraflores, San Isidro, Barranco

Examining Google Street view, all over the streets of Lima, away from the airport, Barranco, Miraflores, I see either 'hostals' or hospedajes. And that is all, pretty much in the whole northern Half of Lima, maybe minus the airport plus the whole southest 1/3 of the metropolis. All the 'hotels' I see seem to be located from Miraflores, north through downtown Lima and west to the area near the sea. Rest of the city in much more expansive areas is hospedajes that all pretty much look the same. In Philippines I stayed in lower cost places and seemed to get no judgement by girls ever. Telling them I am looking for somewhere affordable to stay a long time worked out fine with 100% of girls there. And that was with me getting no aircon in a hot country. Peru where you dont use aircon anyways will be even less an issue. I will see how Lima works. Truth is I will be looking lower cost because of how I will be lingering in the country for an extended stay. I can look into the prices of the actual hotels in downtown Lima. I might stay there too because it might still be far cheaper than Manila. But, either way, I still have a plan to try all over Lima though. Before Christmas is done I will have found out if staying near Plaza norte is a fail or a success. Whatever does not work out, I won't try anymore.

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(09-13-2016 09:29 AM)kronenbourg Wrote:  

I am really confused. There are lots of hotels outside of Miraflores. Actually most of the "hostals" you are talking about might be love hotels.
For picking up girls I do not recommend staying where you are at right now. Most limeñas will take you for a cheap chearlie if you do not stay at Miraflores, San Isidro, Barranco

Correct advice; I wonder if someone could possibly think of staying outside of those three areas if they have actually seen "Todo de Lima", even the still visited Central area of Lima with the Plaza and such is obnoxious. Too crowded, too shady, too many cholos for our purposes. If you want to rough it, go to the Andes area and backpack the 10 day trek to Vilcabamba.

[Drix]

Some good members(Designate,Nova,others) don`t post here because this thread was created to give tips,advices and insides to Peru. Instead of that, It is full of complainings, @Australia Sucks: Stop.

This is South America, Love or hate. @Cogon:Independencia District is in the North, Centro de Lima is the center. Plaza Norte is a good shopping mall, outside it is an ugly place, full of 3 and 4`s, even dangerous at late night. Also the girls who go to the mall, from 4 to 6`s, they don`t live near there.

Miraflores, San isidro are good locations because You are near to the party scene, best bars, restaurants ,safer,better status,best quality of girls. Independencia is almost 1 hour without traffic(Even 2 hours with traffic) to all these places.

Almost all these "hospedajes" are love hostels.Let`s be honest, DO YOU think a cutie chick accept to bang in Independencia district or Miraflores?

Your exotic factor will be so so high in Poor places of Lima, But I don`t see your point to spend time in these places to bang 3 and 4.5`s, A peruvian 3 can bang these girls

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(09-13-2016 09:30 AM)Australia Sucks Wrote:  

Scrambled you are using a straw man argument. I did not say that all south americans are racist.

No, you said, and I quoted exactly,

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In my opinion they are mostly a bunch of racist, lazy, entitled, backwards, short-sighted, ugly cunts.

So actually you are the one using the straw man, pretending that I claimed you said that about all of Peru.

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I agree perhaps my lack of Spanish ability is perhaps partially responsible for my bad reception but why did the Spaniard and also many Peruvians from other cities (not to mention other tourists) agree with me that people from Cusco do not like foreigners so much? I found people from Aguas Calientes to be the same as people from Cusco. Peruvians I met in other cities (day trips) or in Cusco (on vacation from other cities) were mostly very nice.

You have derailed this thread and it is now entertainment for lurkers instead of containing any more actual advice. Your anecdotal and unbelievable hearsay evidence, and now comparing Aguas Calientes (just a stopping point for visiting Macchu Picchu) with Cuzco, a completely different environment, far larger, more historical, and real functioning city, and quite a distance away, and the ancient Capital of Peru, is a bit much.

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Yes the city of Cusco depends a lot on tourism but perhaps the average pleb is resentful of not getting their fair share of the economic benefits. For example while some business owners in Cusco are getting rich the people working for them are mostly getting paid 80 or 90 soles (including tips where applicable) a day if they are lucky (many are paid less) for working 12+ hour days. You cannot live well on that level of pay.

Contradiction: if they are geting a salary and tips (directly from touristas), why would they be resentful? And how would that engender good tipping from customers? Why did I not encounter this anywhere in Cuzco? Why are you the only one reporting this? Why are your arguments backed only with hearsay and your ranting, world-is-so-unjust tone?

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You cannot tell me I do not experience racism in Cusco. Firstly there is institutionlized bias against foreigners in Peru.

Because "racism" doesn't exist, it's like saying "anti-me-ism" for people that I don't like. It's just a shaming term. And the institutionalized bias? You simply pulled that term out of your hat, having heard it from others before, and thinking that it sounds powerful and makes you feel superior. Peru is largely based on a tourist economy and isn't "biased" against the very base of their economic growth. (Along with Agriculture & Mining).

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Many zoos, historical sites, buses, trains, airplanes, etc charge foreigners more than Peruvians.

While I await your offer of evidence to this, normally tourists pay more because they want higher quality service (such as the tourist buses in Peru with air-conditioning, instead of the locals' chicken buses). And many tourists in both Cuzco and Lima are internal tourists, Peruanos themselves. In some places half the tourists were domestic and not international. Are the Peruvians "institutionally biased" against themselves?

Same thing goes for most places, including the EU; example,

"The State Museums such as the Uffizi, Palazzo Pitti, Accademia and the Medici chapels offer free tickets to European citizens under the age of 18 or over 65. . .. The Civic Museums (such as Palazzo Vecchio, Brancacci chapel, for example) offer reductions to EU citizens between ages 18-25 and over 65."

The rude Italians, institutionally biased against Swiss, Norwegian, and American tourists!

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Instead they just give me a dirty look like "WTF is this foreigner doing in my store". Not to mention when I ask for directions in Spanish sometimes people just ignore me.

Either untrue, exaggerated, or reflecting on your own 'vibe'. Peruvian shopkeepers HATE it when a customer comes in to buy something! Ok ... On the contrary, everywhere I went they are more than eager to sell.

In any case, even if everything you said were true, "tough spit", you are the guest in their country. You are lucky to be there. You have nothing but arrogance, ignorance, and ingratitude, dripping from each redundant post.

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As for the attractiveness of Peruvian girls nobody who has been to Peru will despute that the majority of them are ugly/plain, especially outside of Lima. Yes there are some hot ones but they are the minority and Peru is no Venezuala, Colombia or Argentina.

Not relevant to what you were discussing, about Cuzco; you bring in how attractive the girls are supposed to be to change the subject and feel superior again, just as you like to feel the victim.

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As for the weather, yes the weather is good during the day but is bloody cold (and sometimes windy too) at night.

The injustice! How dare the air at very high elevations get cold at night! It should 72F all the time when I am on vacation or I will file a complaint.

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Most of the expensive restaurants I went to however were mediocre (tourist trap) and as for the foreign food in Cusco its usually so bad its barely edible. The chef is probably some Peruvian guy who taught himself how to cook Italian from a cookbook.

ON the contrary, Peru grows its own food and Agriculture is a major industry; things are organic and of local sourcing, and of high quality. Cuzco is filled with high quality restaurants, which by US standards are inexpensive.

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Also for a small city it has a traffic problem and too many stray dogs which sometimes bark or follow at night when you go for a nightime walk. I will not go into detail about all the other third world problems Cusco has.

There is traffic because the streets were designed before the automobile, and there are so many tourists. It's not so bad as many US jurisdictions, the streets are just narrow. But your complaints remind me of the joke, "The food is horrible, and the portions are so small." What, the freezing wasteland of ugly people in Cuzco has too many people in it? Did you want more ugly girls and uglier guys?

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Sure if you pay the same price as you would in the U.S. or Australia you can find a nice hotel.

Peru prices overall are about 1/3 as cheap as US city.

Let any lurkers learn and see by example what to do by seeing what not to do, when examining your choices of your Peru trip. To repeat for them, 1) Be Gringo, 2) Know at least elementary Spanish, 3) begin your stay in Miraflores/Barranco.

[Australia Sucks]

Scrambled a perfect example of the instituionalised bias against foreigners is that Latam airlines (they are not the only one) has one price for Peruvians and a different higher price for non-Peruvians for a domestic flight for the exact same flight. I asked the company and they confirmed that this is there official policy. Another example I went to a zoo inside Universidad San Antonio the sign at the entrance said entrance 4 soles for Peruvians and 10 soles for extranjeros (foreigners). Mind you I had to pay 10 Soles for being a foreigner but there were no signs in English or anyone that spoke English at the zoo. Typical Cusco mentality lets charge the foreigners more for entrance but we will not even do them the courtesy of putting up English signs next to the Spanish ones (I mean information signs about the animals).

Another example to catch the exact same train to Machu Pichu (Aguas Calientes to be exact if I am not mistaken) there is an official Peruvian price and an official higher foreigner price. I know because I went to Machu Pichu (by bus because the train is expensive for foreigners but I did speak to some foreigners who caught the train) and discussed this with Peruvians who went there. Even the entrance to Machu Pichu is free on Sunday for Peruvians but not for foreigners. Are you that ignorant that you do not realise this sort of two tier official pricing system is a common occurance in Peru? This point is not even up for debate, it is a fact.

Not everybody who does customer service gets tips. For example the people that work at tourist agencies do not usually get tips from customers. Just try and get an "all inclusive tour" from a tour agency. Its never really all inclusive, not even close. I even Same goes for bank tellers (no tips) and usually hostel staff (most people do not tip them) just to give you a few examples. So yes, it is easy and common to get shit service. I could give many, many examples of this but I will not take up a whole thread with examples of poor customer service. I will only give a few.

One quick example one time I went to a Polleria and ordered the classic 1/8 chicken dish for 6 soles. After an 1 hour and 15 minutes the chicken did not come so I left. Every time I asked (in Spanish) when the food would be ready they said another ten minutes.

Try taking a hot shower in Cusco, most of the showers have a lot of problems with hot water not being consistent if it is there at all. I have had my fair share of cold showers in hostels that were advertised as having hot showers.

When I went to lake Titicaca on the weekend my tour included a bus both ways (Cusco to Puno and back) and my receipt even said that. When I went to catch the bus back to Cusco the tourist agency in Puno they did not have my bus ticket ready (they told me they would) and then they tried to tell me that it was not included. I showed them the reciept which clearly included both ways then they tried to argue with me, then they called up the tourist agency in Cusco, and the tourist agency in Cusco tried to argue with me. In the end (after 1.5 hours of back and forth) I had to pay for the ticket and go visit the tour agency office in Cusco the next day to get reimbursed the next day. Also I was told the tour included all meals, transport and accomodation but I had to pay 25 Soles for one of my lunches and 10 soles for one of my boat rides. I could give heaps of examples but basically every tour I have been on they tried to fuck me over or used false advertising. This is the typical level of service you get in Peru.

Scrambled please just stop apouting your Anthony Robbins style B.S. Cusco has some problems and you glossing over the problems is doing the forum (in particular any potential traveller to Cusco) a great disservice.

[Australia Sucks]

Scrambled you did quote me then straight after said "so Latinos/south americans are lazy and ugly", implying that I made the comment about all south Americans rather than just people from Cusco. Stop trying to cover up/bullshit.

[Australia Sucks]

And why is it okay for guys to bitch and whine about Washington DC and Torronto but its not okay for me to complain about Cusco? I am just sharing my experience rather than spouting Anthony Robbins style positive b.s. I spelled out what I thought were the positives (good daytime weather, good cheap Peruvian food away from the tourist areas, nice architecture) and the negatives about Cusco (I will not reiterate the negatives again). What makes a balanced forum is when you see both sides of the argument not just the positive point of view.

And my point was that Peru prices are cheaper but when you want to get equivalent quality to an anglo country it is certainly not 1/3 of the price.

Also Cusco is not known for being a foodie destination, Lima is. As to opinions (eating luke warm food that is meant to be hot and drinking luke warm lemonade which is meant to be cold is not my idea of good service) about the quality of restaurants in a city that is a subjective thing and an element of personal taste/preference is involved so I do not think it is valid for you to rubbish my opinion about the restaurants in Cusco. Even in Chicha a very expensive and relatively good and well known restaurant in Cusco close to Plaza De Armas, my food took so long to get ready that a manager came and apologised and provided me with some complementary drinks. This is meant to be one of the elite restaurants in the city. I paid 130 soles for my three course meal with drinks. While its not expensive for a high end restaurant I would hardly call it screamingly cheap. If I paid thirty five percent more I could get the same quality of food in Sydney, Australia and probably with better service. It certainly was not one third of the price. As for the food and service in some of the average priced restaurants in the tourist area I have been to, mediocre is an apt description.

Scrambled for you to say I am arrogant and should be grateful to visit their city you have it ass backwards. I am the one who is spending a shitload of money in their city and they should try and be more grateful for the money I spend. After all without tourists Cusco would be an economic basket case city. After all I could have gone to any city/country in the world but I chose to come and spend money in their city. They should be a little more grateful for tourists like me that provide many of the locals with a living.

Also for you to pretend customer service in Cusco is good and locals will not try to fuck you over is completely delusional.

Seriously Scrambled, I feel like you and I visited two differemt cities.

[Australia Sucks]

I have every right to be angry when guys on this forum and other forums hyped up Cusco and made it sound like it was a major/easy game city, just turn up and lay the local foreigner loving sluts (as if Cusco is the next Manilla) no game required. Some even touted Cusco as the easiest city in South America to get laid. Maybe once upon a time it was possibly true (I do not know), however it is clearly no longer the case that a foreigner can just show up and fuck the easy local Cusco sluts. If I had known the reality I would have spent the most time in Lima and taken Spanish lessons there. So yeah, I have a right to be pissed off because I was misinformed which led to me fucking up my holiday planning.

[Cogon]

(09-13-2016 11:11 AM)Drix Wrote:  

Some good members(Designate,Nova,others) don`t post here because this thread was created to give tips,advices and insides to Peru. Instead of that, It is full of complainings, @Australia Sucks: Stop.

This is South America, Love or hate. @Cogon:Independencia District is in the North, Centro de Lima is the center. Plaza Norte is a good shopping mall, outside it is an ugly place, full of 3 and 4`s, even dangerous at late night. Also the girls who go to the mall, from 4 to 6`s, they don`t live near there.

Miraflores, San isidro are good locations because You are near to the party scene, best bars, restaurants ,safer,better status,best quality of girls. Independencia is almost 1 hour without traffic(Even 2 hours with traffic) to all these places.

Almost all these "hospedajes" are love hostels.Let`s be honest, DO YOU think a cutie chick accept to bang in Independencia district or Miraflores?

Your exotic factor will be so so high in Poor places of Lima, But I don`t see your point to spend time in these places to bang 3 and 4.5`s, A peruvian 3 can bang these girls

But the truth is I have no issues with any ethnicity. And the only difference with these women is ethnicity. I know almost anyone will hate the looks of the typical looks of the Yanomami women of northwestern Amazonia and the same looking ones that area everywhere in the Andes to Amazon. But I like any ethnic looks. With foreigners collectively rejecting a whole ethnic group and me accepting them, I know I will be awarded with great attention from them.

You said about this really high exotic factor in these natives areas which I know will end up being the truth. But these women people call 3s just because of their different origin, I won't call them 3s, but 5s, not a great rating at all, but not horrible like 3.
Also I have yet to be in a city where a whole half of a city is basically a no bang zone. It is like staying in the SW half of Detroit means noone will like you.
Since location did not matter even the slightest bit in the Philippines (except for the need to actually be a close as possible to the women you wanna meet) I will try myself before I can say whether or not I agree that location in Lima will be a problem. Because being much closer to them might be what works. Someone said on here how much of the women live very far from Miraflires.barranco which are effectively tucked away to the south of the population masses and the distance will take away a lot of action, especially during the week. I also have the feeling that once already chatted with girls and they got accustomed to me, when I show up, they won't be negatively judgmental about if I end up being surprisingly close to them, like 20 minutes away and not 2 hours away.

So are least I will try to stay somewhere closer to these masses of population even if it is not Independncia, just to see if staying a lot less far will give an advantage. Who knows, my very close accessibility in areas where there are zero other foreigners might end up being a huge advantage. When high exotic factor is at play, nothing can be ruled out. Just knowing that there is pretty much not a single foreiner outside of that SW corner of Lima, makes me anxious to try to buck the trend and exploit the opportunity of exotic factor by being the closest foreigner to most of the women. There just has to be a benefit to this and I wll look into doing it without offsetting it with some issue about being in a bad place. So place that is ok, but much closer to the people than the rest of the foreiners is what I will try and I will have a lot of time to figure it out once I am there. The resulting very high exotic factor is something I wanna feel when I get there. My lack of exotic factor in Manila and loss off attention to scores of older men has made me thirsty to at least try to enter grounds where I am the only white man!

[Cogon]

(09-13-2016 04:33 PM)CUZCO SUCKS BIG TIME!!!!!!! Wrote:  

I have every right to be angry when guys on this forum and other forums hyped up Cusco and made it sound like it was a major/easy game city, just turn up and lay the local foreigner loving sluts (as if Cusco is the next Manilla) no game required. Some even touted Cusco as the easiest city in South America to get laid. Maybe once upon a time it was possibly true (I do not know), however it is clearly no longer the case that a foreigner can just show up and fuck the easy local Cusco sluts. If I had known the reality I would have spent the most time in Lima and taken Spanish lessons there. So yeah, I have a right to be pissed off because I was misinformed which led to me fucking up my holiday planning.

@CUZCO SUCKS BIG TIME!
I am glad I have been getting up to date info on cities and this thread will help me prevent going to cities where I wont get to enjoy women.
I wish you ended up in Lima instead because you could have reported back about how easy the women were then I would have known more. I am not totally set on staying in Lima yet because there is still a lack of info on how easy the easiest girls are.

How long was the total stay in Cuzczo going to be?

[Australia Sucks]

I am not a troll I am being genuine. Any forum member who is in Cusco and wants a wing to run some game, I am happy to meet up and wing you if you are interested (prefer daygame but can do night game also). Although I have complained about Cusco, I am still putting in approaches every day and still practising my Spanish daily, so its not like I am just sitting on my ass bitching without actually taking any action.

Cogon I have spent 4 weeks based in Cusco (Though I was not in Cusco the whole time due to various treks/day trips). I have another 4 weeks left in Cusco (my apartment and Spanish lessons have already been paid for in advance so I am stuck in Cusco).

I would just like to point out that I have spent more time in Cusco (been based in Cusco the past four weeks) and my experience is more recent (I am here in Cusco now and we all know that cities can change over time) than most other posters on this thread, therefore all other things being equal my opinion should be regarded as more accurate/representative about Cusco than other posters on this thread. Who is more likely to be accurate me or the guy who spent three days in Cusco six months ago?

Also I am not bitching about Cusco for the sake of bitching. I just want guys who are thinking of visiting to know it is not a good city for game, nor is it an enjoyable place to stay longer term. Its the type of place you should visit for 3 or 4 days or a week maximum (definitely worth a short visit) then fuck off to another city. That is the point I am try to get across.