[sylo]

Relevant: http://www.rooshvforum.network/thread-29440.html

[atlant]

(02-19-2015 10:52 AM)dreambig Wrote:  

Who cares about if something is a respected job or not? Some of you guys are thinking in a provider frame.

For what it's worth, most of the top players I knew in Japan taught English. They had more time to game and more time to bang.

No Japanese girls gave a shit about my business job. Wasn't a plus or a minus. So I never talked about it, except to the LTRs.

I suspect if a Korean girl didn't dig you, it had nothing to do with your being a teacher. Same goes for the Taiwanese.

Asian girls are increasingly no different to girls back home. They just want to get fucked by sexy guys who understand the game.

In Taiwan, English teachers have a particularly bad stigma made worse by sensationalized news in the yellow press. But yes, being a teacher is fine if you don't dress and act like the majority do.

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They just want to get fucked by sexy guys who understand the game.

Sure they do, but unless we are talking online game where she comes straight to your hotel room, she might have to deal with the decision to fuck you in front of her friends. Face matters in Asia. Many girls think that fucking a English teacher means being just another foreigner-loving whore in the eyes of fellow Taiwanese (many of whom like to post derisive, often borderline anti-foreigner remarks on forums and newspaper articles, especially since last year with the events of David Bond etc). But if you can demonstrate value not only in front of her but in front of her friends / social circle as well, your job suddenly becomes a lot easier, because she does not have to justify fucking you to her friends.

Of course all that applies only to the actual top clubs and not to places like dive bars that have a reputation of attracting foreigner-seeking sluts.

This also ties into what RichieP quoted from berserk's post above, which is a great summary in general - Asian girls hate to be put on the spot.

[Fortis]

Atlant,

How do most english teachers dress? I'm going to china and want to avoid any sort of stigmas if I can help it. I"m assuming they wear poorly fitted clothing and look like shit? Any examples though?

[clever alias]

Cedonulli wrote about this in Thailand I think. I'll have to double check, but I think he said something along the lines of not having a real reason to be there, they'll pass on you. Could be wrong though, but it's an empirical question.

[The Beast1]

(02-19-2015 11:03 AM)berserk Wrote:  

(02-19-2015 08:11 AM)The Beast1 Wrote:  

God forbid someone make friends with a social group and meet new women that way. Cavemen game is for easy women and dumb men (with all due respect).

All women respond well to caveman game, nothing to do with intelligence. Caveman game is just being physical, touching, taking up space, being dominant, but it is of course not about being threathening, quite the opposite, a combination of being playfull and physically direct. It's very effective because it's basically foreplay and how I assume most guys get from couch to sex anyway. It also quickly screens out girls who are not dtf that night. It has nothing to do with drunken stuttering grab ass game.

It's just that it's only socially possible to do in a couple of cultures, where social shame isn't as much of a factor. Most Asians wouldn't be caught dead doing an approach and handle rejection very poorly and girls hate being put on the spot by a bold approach in front of their friends because they are then caught between being seen a slut and having to shoot someone down (make them lose face), which they don't like either. Make no mistake though, get her on vacation or in a late night club and she responds just as well to that direct physical approach.

Agreed, it should be one of the many tools in a player's chest. Relying too much on one tool is obviously what the OP is suffering from.

[TravelerKai]

(02-19-2015 01:35 PM)Fortis Wrote:  

Atlant,

How do most english teachers dress? I'm going to china and want to avoid any sort of stigmas if I can help it. I"m assuming they wear poorly fitted clothing and look like shit? Any examples though?

In China that teacher stigma is not as bad as Taiwan. Lots there literally have no opinion on it. A few hot ones there told me before online before my first trip hey wished I would stay and teach English there.

For us non white guys, the kinds of women that would scoff at a teacher would not date you anyway. Rely on the exotic factor and your game.

For what it's worth I stole Chinese girls from 3 white engineers, 2 of which I had no idea, 1 I did not care. You could easily take them from White dudes that are teachers as well by having actual game and not being lame as fuck. The women are not as money hungry as people think. They are more potential or success hungry than actual money. Many Chinese women, especially the multi lingual ones, want romance very badly. Quite a few love R&B and country music love songs. I got plenty play out of using the Lady Antebellum song. As well as Brian McKnight, Case, ginuwine, Avant, etc. Invite them to your place to listen to some stuff or send them a nice song over qq. It reminds them of you and gets you in their heads.

Just don't dress like Africans. They wear boat shoes, shorts, and Tommy hilfiger. Stuff like that. Some dress very hip hop like but screw it up. It looks very try hard. Keep it simple and neat.

Looking like an American is not hard for us, but for them it is. I would avoid hip hop looks as well. It really isn't popular there like guys sometimes like to say it is. Not like Thailand or the Philippines.

Edit: Oh yeah make sure you send them the lyrics to the song so they can read or translate that. Corny love stuff like this works like a charm in China. Poems are okay but only girls with really good English can understand them.

[berserk]

(02-19-2015 02:24 PM)The Beast1 Wrote:  

Agreed, it should be one of the many tools in a player's chest. Relying too much on one tool is obviously what the OP is suffering from.

Yes. Another thing is that it's difficult to roll solo or even with a wing if you don't speak the language. If you're a group it's much easier to overcome the language barrier by creating a good vibe, body language, non verbal flirting and dancing. My experience with Asian girls is that they'll do a lot of their own seduction if you give them a safe, fun environment to do so. Part of that is being a group.

[Seamus]

(02-19-2015 05:03 PM)berserk Wrote:  

(02-19-2015 02:24 PM)The Beast1 Wrote:  

Agreed, it should be one of the many tools in a player's chest. Relying too much on one tool is obviously what the OP is suffering from.

Yes. Another thing is that it's difficult to roll solo or even with a wing if you don't speak the language. If you're a group it's much easier to overcome the language barrier by creating a good vibe, body language, non verbal flirting and dancing. My experience with Asian girls is that they'll do a lot of their own seduction if you give them a safe, fun environment to do so. Part of that is being a group.

I cosign this. Rolling solo in China was one of the most frustrating experiences of my life. Walking into a non-foreigner club, seeing hordes of gorgeous girls, and not being to talk to any of them or have a group to woo them into. Absolutely brutal.

[Fortis]

(02-19-2015 03:43 PM)TravelerKai Wrote:  

(02-19-2015 01:35 PM)Fortis Wrote:  

Atlant,

How do most english teachers dress? I'm going to china and want to avoid any sort of stigmas if I can help it. I"m assuming they wear poorly fitted clothing and look like shit? Any examples though?

In China that teacher stigma is not as bad as Taiwan. Lots there literally have no opinion on it. A few hot ones there told me before online before my first trip hey wished I would stay and teach English there.

For us non white guys, the kinds of women that would scoff at a teacher would not date you anyway. Rely on the exotic factor and your game.

For what it's worth I stole Chinese girls from 3 white engineers, 2 of which I had no idea, 1 I did not care. You could easily take them from White dudes that are teachers as well by having actual game and not being lame as fuck. The women are not as money hungry as people think. They are more potential or success hungry than actual money. Many Chinese women, especially the multi lingual ones, want romance very badly. Quite a few love R&B and country music love songs. I got plenty play out of using the Lady Antebellum song. As well as Brian McKnight, Case, ginuwine, Avant, etc. Invite them to your place to listen to some stuff or send them a nice song over qq. It reminds them of you and gets you in their heads.

Just don't dress like Africans. They wear boat shoes, shorts, and Tommy hilfiger. Stuff like that. Some dress very hip hop like but screw it up. It looks very try hard. Keep it simple and neat.

Looking like an American is not hard for us, but for them it is. I would avoid hip hop looks as well. It really isn't popular there like guys sometimes like to say it is. Not like Thailand or the Philippines.

Edit: Oh yeah make sure you send them the lyrics to the song so they can read or translate that. Corny love stuff like this works like a charm in China. Poems are okay but only girls with really good English can understand them.

Noted man. Thanks for the breakdown there. So Chinese girls are a lot of like high school girls? Reminds me of my game when I was like 17: sending girls songs and lyrics and talking about those songs with them. Haha. Interesting. I Will have to reacquaint myself with R&B. I imagine metal is not so popular with the population there. Shame. I can always dig up the old hiphop and RNB tracks.

Obviously, I gotta buy the ticket and take the ride, but based on the things OP complained about I think I will actually like China for those reasons. Seems like a slower paced game. I actually set up my OKC acccount to put me in the part of china I'lll be living in and I've gotten a few hits from decent looking women. Not sure if I'll be able to pipeline heavily, but I imagine I'll enjoy what's on the ground if what is on OKC is indicative of the quality.

[clever alias]

(02-19-2015 03:43 PM)TravelerKai Wrote:  

(02-19-2015 01:35 PM)Fortis Wrote:  

Atlant,

How do most english teachers dress? I'm going to china and want to avoid any sort of stigmas if I can help it. I"m assuming they wear poorly fitted clothing and look like shit? Any examples though?

In China that teacher stigma is not as bad as Taiwan. Lots there literally have no opinion on it. A few hot ones there told me before online before my first trip hey wished I would stay and teach English there.

For us non white guys, the kinds of women that would scoff at a teacher would not date you anyway. Rely on the exotic factor and your game.

For what it's worth I stole Chinese girls from 3 white engineers, 2 of which I had no idea, 1 I did not care. You could easily take them from White dudes that are teachers as well by having actual game and not being lame as fuck. The women are not as money hungry as people think. They are more potential or success hungry than actual money. Many Chinese women, especially the multi lingual ones, want romance very badly. Quite a few love R&B and country music love songs. I got plenty play out of using the Lady Antebellum song. As well as Brian McKnight, Case, ginuwine, Avant, etc. Invite them to your place to listen to some stuff or send them a nice song over qq. It reminds them of you and gets you in their heads.

Just don't dress like Africans. They wear boat shoes, shorts, and Tommy hilfiger. Stuff like that. Some dress very hip hop like but screw it up. It looks very try hard. Keep it simple and neat.

Looking like an American is not hard for us, but for them it is. I would avoid hip hop looks as well. It really isn't popular there like guys sometimes like to say it is. Not like Thailand or the Philippines.

Edit: Oh yeah make sure you send them the lyrics to the song so they can read or translate that. Corny love stuff like this works like a charm in China. Poems are okay but only girls with really good English can understand them.

They LOVE the over the top romantic shit, it's like crack to them. Play a little Taylor Swift and the melt (especially Love Story), or give her some gooey Chinese songs and she melts in two places.

[TravelerKai]

(02-19-2015 06:46 PM)Fortis Wrote:  

(02-19-2015 03:43 PM)TravelerKai Wrote:  

(02-19-2015 01:35 PM)Fortis Wrote:  

Atlant,

How do most english teachers dress? I'm going to china and want to avoid any sort of stigmas if I can help it. I"m assuming they wear poorly fitted clothing and look like shit? Any examples though?

In China that teacher stigma is not as bad as Taiwan. Lots there literally have no opinion on it. A few hot ones there told me before online before my first trip hey wished I would stay and teach English there.

For us non white guys, the kinds of women that would scoff at a teacher would not date you anyway. Rely on the exotic factor and your game.

For what it's worth I stole Chinese girls from 3 white engineers, 2 of which I had no idea, 1 I did not care. You could easily take them from White dudes that are teachers as well by having actual game and not being lame as fuck. The women are not as money hungry as people think. They are more potential or success hungry than actual money. Many Chinese women, especially the multi lingual ones, want romance very badly. Quite a few love R&B and country music love songs. I got plenty play out of using the Lady Antebellum song. As well as Brian McKnight, Case, ginuwine, Avant, etc. Invite them to your place to listen to some stuff or send them a nice song over qq. It reminds them of you and gets you in their heads.

Just don't dress like Africans. They wear boat shoes, shorts, and Tommy hilfiger. Stuff like that. Some dress very hip hop like but screw it up. It looks very try hard. Keep it simple and neat.

Looking like an American is not hard for us, but for them it is. I would avoid hip hop looks as well. It really isn't popular there like guys sometimes like to say it is. Not like Thailand or the Philippines.

Edit: Oh yeah make sure you send them the lyrics to the song so they can read or translate that. Corny love stuff like this works like a charm in China. Poems are okay but only girls with really good English can understand them.

Noted man. Thanks for the breakdown there. So Chinese girls are a lot of like high school girls? Reminds me of my game when I was like 17: sending girls songs and lyrics and talking about those songs with them. Haha. Interesting. I Will have to reacquaint myself with R&B. I imagine metal is not so popular with the population there. Shame. I can always dig up the old hiphop and RNB tracks.

Obviously, I gotta buy the ticket and take the ride, but based on the things OP complained about I think I will actually like China for those reasons. Seems like a slower paced game. I actually set up my OKC acccount to put me in the part of china I'lll be living in and I've gotten a few hits from decent looking women. Not sure if I'll be able to pipeline heavily, but I imagine I'll enjoy what's on the ground if what is on OKC is indicative of the quality.

Yep. Young and typical Chinese girls like this are considered "pure" (from translation). So watch what you say. They can be immensely naive about the world, sex, and other nasty stuff. Some are very curious while others are not. They all want love though and to live happily ever after. Even the poor farmer girl that is hard as nails. Only former sex/KTV workers or high cock count girls seem to be glacier hearted. They talk a good game, but never go past a bang with those. They are not really worth that risk.

One good early "shit test" is to ask a Chinese girl if they have ever had an orgasm (性交高潮) before.

If they say, "What's an orgasm?" or "No way. I would not know what these things are." you just found an excellent prospect for a good/pure girl.

Don't ask stuff like that too soon with the wrong girl otherwise she will get skittish and think you are a "playman". Feel em out first. A girl that says yes to that question is definitely a DTF type, just don't screw it up.

[LeightonBlackstock]

Agree with dreambig's and atlant's posts

It's not being a teacher, it's:

being a guy who looks like the people who usually choose to teach in Asia

I.e, stick a (button-down) shirt on in Luxy and you're instantly not lumped in with those guys

Still amazes me how much I've walked around Asia and have seen farang in baggy, printed t-shirts trying to score cute girls in tiny dresses and heels. On NYE I saw a farang in a badly-fitted, long-sleeved shirt with a picture of a pirate on it (at RCA). George at ASDA? That's not going to make any of the girls there wet.

7 months in Taiwan and I think I only met one other English teacher I would ever go out with. (Not to blow my own horn though. The other night was a bloody mess and I woke up with a pile of sick on my pillow and my head ringing).

[Kieran]

I lived in Thailand for around four years, spoke good Thai, was part of several Thai social circles made up of pretty successful young Thais, and I've never even once heard English teachers spoken about derogatorily, despite the subject of foreigners having been discussed multiple times (I wasn't an English teacher, so they were not holding back on my account either). Actually, the only times I've heard this type of thing was from other foreigners patting themselves on the back.

The truth is, most foreigners with real jobs or businesses are just as lame as most English teachers anyway. In fact, I'd probably say that English teachers are banging more and better quality pussy than those with good jobs. You get a guy that goes their to teach English pretty young, who is handsome, and picks up the language and culture quickly, and he will have his pick of the litter.

[Nonpareil]

(02-19-2015 03:43 PM)TravelerKai Wrote:  

(02-19-2015 01:35 PM)Fortis Wrote:  

Atlant,

How do most english teachers dress? I'm going to china and want to avoid any sort of stigmas if I can help it. I"m assuming they wear poorly fitted clothing and look like shit? Any examples though?

In China that teacher stigma is not as bad as Taiwan. Lots there literally have no opinion on it. A few hot ones there told me before online before my first trip hey wished I would stay and teach English there.

For us non white guys, the kinds of women that would scoff at a teacher would not date you anyway. Rely on the exotic factor and your game.

For what it's worth I stole Chinese girls from 3 white engineers, 2 of which I had no idea, 1 I did not care. You could easily take them from White dudes that are teachers as well by having actual game and not being lame as fuck. The women are not as money hungry as people think. They are more potential or success hungry than actual money. Many Chinese women, especially the multi lingual ones, want romance very badly. Quite a few love R&B and country music love songs. I got plenty play out of using the Lady Antebellum song. As well as Brian McKnight, Case, ginuwine, Avant, etc. Invite them to your place to listen to some stuff or send them a nice song over qq. It reminds them of you and gets you in their heads.

Just don't dress like Africans. They wear boat shoes, shorts, and Tommy hilfiger. Stuff like that. Some dress very hip hop like but screw it up. It looks very try hard. Keep it simple and neat.

Looking like an American is not hard for us, but for them it is. I would avoid hip hop looks as well. It really isn't popular there like guys sometimes like to say it is. Not like Thailand or the Philippines.

Edit: Oh yeah make sure you send them the lyrics to the song so they can read or translate that. Corny love stuff like this works like a charm in China. Poems are okay but only girls with really good English can understand them.

This is true. When most black guys are going for the overdone 'prep' look with Tommy Hilfiger and Ralph Lauren, the average white guy either dresses like a skate punk (which was cool when you were 16 but at 26 it's lame) or is standard jeans and T-shirt guy. Also quite a few foreigners (as I have mentioned) aren't showering twice a day, which in a big dirty shithole like China is essential unless you like acne breakouts.

One thing that Kai neglected to mention that cannot be heavily enough overstated; have excellent shoe game. If your feet are larger than US 11, you can only find them online.

[berserk]

(02-21-2015 07:32 PM)Kieran Wrote:  

I lived in Thailand for around four years, spoke good Thai, was part of several Thai social circles made up of pretty successful young Thais, and I've never even once heard English teachers spoken about derogatorily, despite the subject of foreigners having been discussed multiple times (I wasn't an English teacher, so they were not holding back on my account either). Actually, the only times I've heard this type of thing was from other foreigners patting themselves on the back.

The truth is, most foreigners with real jobs or businesses are just as lame as most English teachers anyway. In fact, I'd probably say that English teachers are banging more and better quality pussy than those with good jobs. You get a guy that goes their to teach English pretty young, who is handsome, and picks up the language and culture quickly, and he will have his pick of the litter.

Yep, Thai girls can be shallow like that! The truth is that if you're considered good looking or just above average and young, then Thailand is going to treat you well. It's a superficial culture and Thai girls will not put up a hard to get act around a guy they are physically attracted to, quite the opposite, you might find yourself practically mobbed at times.

Which is also why I recommend Thailand the most to guys who are decent looking but have some other 'western flaws' like being short, skinny or not loud enough. I don't think Thailand is very good value anymore for a lot of other types, but that's a different topic.

[Kieran]

Good point and I agree, especially for good looking, well dressed men that are not loud / aggressive enough, or socially a little off.