[The Reactionary Tree]

(01-27-2015 11:03 PM)CleanSlate Wrote:  

(01-27-2015 08:11 PM)CactusCat589 Wrote:  

Did you marry the single mom before or after finding this forum?

How did you set up the prenupt and the pre-marriage legalities? What were the factors and conditions that made it hard for her or the judge to overturn? I'm just surprised you got out of it intact, especially since she had a kid. Did they try to trap you into child support?

*gulp* Yes I married her after finding this forum. This forum was in its infancy, I think in those days, and didn't really use it much at all.

The thing is, although I was aware of the game and played it some, got laid some, I craved connection with another human being. I felt like I wasn't really happy doing serial dating or even dating multiple girls at the same time. I wanted more. I felt isolated and wanted a connection. That's the way we humans are wired, I guess.

But yeah, I put my hand in the fireplace and got burned. Being alone and craving a connection isn't all that bad if I can actually go out, travel, and meet people and get laid with some nice looking chicks here and there. I would very much rather have that than ruin my life over some bitch way past her physical peak.

This I can understand. Given the nature of my work, my schedule, and the lives of my friends (they're all getting married or entering LTRs), I am alone more than 95% of the time. It can be hard. It cant be lonely. It has its ups and downs. I can say I am happier now than I was a year ago. This community has really helped me personally. Hopefully it will help you as well.

It often seems that I have no meaningful relationships in my life. It sucks being alone & literally having no one to talk to about anything really.

You become so eager for attention that you will overlook the flaws in others just because you have found someone to connect with.

I understand all that. As others have mentioned, you cannot let your judgement be clouded by your desire for attention & human interaction.

Congrats on exiting a terrible marriage without any crippling battle wounds. You are 35, single, and the world is now your playground.

[CleanSlate]

In 2 days, we close on the house sale. We'll be getting more out of it than what we paid for it, and split the proceeds 50/50.

I cannot wait to get rid of this albatross. The house itself is not bad, it's that I want my name off the damn mortgage.

The whole D will be final March 30, barring any nasty surprises, heaven forbid.

26 days to go!

[MY DETROIT PLAYAS]

Plan something great for yourself, your own personal divorce party

You survived with your sanity, some $ in your pocket and best of all your self esteem

Celebrated my 3rd D anniversary by getting laid twice that day

[JoyStick]

(03-01-2015 07:56 PM)samsamsam Wrote:  

^^ Are those real?

She claims that they are, but probably not.

[CleanSlate]

Closed on the house, and the wire transfer came in a few minutes ago BOOOYAAHHHHH!!!!!

I'm sitting on a nice chunk of change, and I need to start planning a trip somewhere. Some place with lots of beautiful women who are easy, eager to get my dick wet. I don't know where to go, though! <--- (good problem to have)

[samsamsam]

(03-06-2015 02:23 PM)CleanSlate Wrote:  

Closed on the house, and the wire transfer came in a few minutes ago BOOOYAAHHHHH!!!!!

I'm sitting on a nice chunk of change, and I need to start planning a trip somewhere. Some place with lots of beautiful women who are easy, eager to get my dick wet. I don't know where to go, though! <--- (good problem to have)

I'll PM my bank details to you thanks.






On a serious note, congrats mofo! Have a great trip!

[The Father]

(03-01-2015 08:21 PM)The Reactionary Tree Wrote:  

(01-27-2015 11:03 PM)CleanSlate Wrote:  

(01-27-2015 08:11 PM)CactusCat589 Wrote:  

Did you marry the single mom before or after finding this forum?

How did you set up the prenupt and the pre-marriage legalities? What were the factors and conditions that made it hard for her or the judge to overturn? I'm just surprised you got out of it intact, especially since she had a kid. Did they try to trap you into child support?

*gulp* Yes I married her after finding this forum. This forum was in its infancy, I think in those days, and didn't really use it much at all.

The thing is, although I was aware of the game and played it some, got laid some, I craved connection with another human being. I felt like I wasn't really happy doing serial dating or even dating multiple girls at the same time. I wanted more. I felt isolated and wanted a connection. That's the way we humans are wired, I guess.

But yeah, I put my hand in the fireplace and got burned. Being alone and craving a connection isn't all that bad if I can actually go out, travel, and meet people and get laid with some nice looking chicks here and there. I would very much rather have that than ruin my life over some bitch way past her physical peak.

This I can understand. Given the nature of my work, my schedule, and the lives of my friends (they're all getting married or entering LTRs), I am alone more than 95% of the time. It can be hard. It cant be lonely. It has its ups and downs. I can say I am happier now than I was a year ago. This community has really helped me personally. Hopefully it will help you as well.

It often seems that I have no meaningful relationships in my life. It sucks being alone & literally having no one to talk to about anything really.

You become so eager for attention that you will overlook the flaws in others just because you have found someone to connect with.

I understand all that. As others have mentioned, you cannot let your judgement be clouded by your desire for attention & human interaction.

Congrats on exiting a terrible marriage without any crippling battle wounds. You are 35, single, and the world is now your playground.

I went through something similar - lost my job and my marriage at the same time (shocker; the wives flee when you are unemployed, even if briefly like me!). I was lonely and isolated. It passes. One key is to seek companionship from your male peers - friends, clubs you may join, etc. That's what men did for thousands of years; women were seen as machines for producing offspring, NOT "soulmates". Makes sense, since men's and women's mind work SO differently. I mean, if you find a chick you connect with AND want to bang, great! But understand that she will leave some day...women are fickle, inconstant. And men want to bang young pussy. That's why the laws for most of history were designed to prevent the worst tendencies of each sex, but also provide each with what it needs. So if you were a married chick, you'd be shunned if you fled your family on a frivolous matter, like so many women do today when they 'frivorce'. But you got your bills paid. And if you were a guy, ok, you were allowed to get some strange on the side and society looked the other way as long as you didn't rub it in your wife's face. But you were not allowed to dump your old wife; that would be ruinous financially. Everyone had limitations on their behavior BUT everyone also got what they needed, and society and children got what they needed. But now, it's a shit show!

Anyway, back to the topic: Get some great guy friends you can trust the rest of your life, and you'll never feel lonely again.

[Simeon_Strangelight]

(03-06-2015 02:23 PM)CleanSlate Wrote:  

Closed on the house, and the wire transfer came in a few minutes ago BOOOYAAHHHHH!!!!!

I'm sitting on a nice chunk of change, and I need to start planning a trip somewhere. Some place with lots of beautiful women who are easy, eager to get my dick wet. I don't know where to go, though! <--- (good problem to have)

Congrats and may I suggest some decadent pleasures:





Throw a party with some porta-potty models.

[forever_beta]

You married this chick but you have a prenup and no kids together. This is not anything worse than breaking up with a long term live in girlfriend with just a little more legal and financial red tape. Life will go on, your finances are not in danger, and soon you'll forget all about this silly mistake you made.

Really, ending a marriage without kids is nothing to worry about, especially with the prenup. If I divorce my wife I'm going to the poor house with my 6 figure salary and possibly also ruining my child's life. You don't know what real problems are until you're faced with that. Falling in and out of love, beginning and ending relationships is child's play. Be thankful you got out easy.

Go get some notches and enjoy your new freedom bro

[buja]

(01-27-2015 02:46 PM)CleanSlate Wrote:  

And IF I decide I'm ready to marry again, I will only consider women of the same ethnic background as myself, and who values family above all else. It will be a traditional marriage as opposed to a Westernized love marriage.

If I marry, it will be with a women of a DIFFERENT ethnic background as myself...for the same reasons.

[iknowexactly]

(01-27-2015 10:35 PM)The Father Wrote:  

(01-27-2015 10:07 PM)iknowexactly Wrote:  

(01-27-2015 03:46 PM)The Father Wrote:  

(01-27-2015 03:42 PM)vinman Wrote:  

You're simply trying to "get your bearings" (bitches say find themselves). Learn them bitches, Son. And game on!

That's a great line because it says absolutely nothing yet sounds profound...therefore, women will love it!! The other line that is chick catnip is, whenever a woman asks about a former relationship, how it ended, how you feel about her now, etc etc, you just reply: "It's complicated". THAT'S WHAT THEY DO!

"It's complicated" might work with women, if a woman says that to me I immediately think she's hiding something, and is bitchy, dumb and unoriginal.

But you're right ANYTHING is better than actually telling the story.

She'll think you're hiding something alright...and instead of thinking less of you, she'll get wet.

You really think so? I might be naive, will you go into the process of how this works?

I mean, if she thinks "he's fucking someone else already and hiding it," this really INCREASES her interest? I've always been the most gullible person in the world... haha

[Sp5]

(03-12-2015 04:05 AM)iknowexactly Wrote:  

(01-27-2015 10:35 PM)The Father Wrote:  

(01-27-2015 10:07 PM)iknowexactly Wrote:  

(01-27-2015 03:46 PM)The Father Wrote:  

(01-27-2015 03:42 PM)vinman Wrote:  

You're simply trying to "get your bearings" (bitches say find themselves). Learn them bitches, Son. And game on!

That's a great line because it says absolutely nothing yet sounds profound...therefore, women will love it!! The other line that is chick catnip is, whenever a woman asks about a former relationship, how it ended, how you feel about her now, etc etc, you just reply: "It's complicated". THAT'S WHAT THEY DO!

"It's complicated" might work with women, if a woman says that to me I immediately think she's hiding something, and is bitchy, dumb and unoriginal.

But you're right ANYTHING is better than actually telling the story.

She'll think you're hiding something alright...and instead of thinking less of you, she'll get wet.

You really think so? I might be naive, will you go into the process of how this works?

I mean, if she thinks "he's fucking someone else already and hiding it," this really INCREASES her interest? I've always been the most gullible person in the world... haha

It goes to the core of the theory of "social proof" or "displaying value" - the idea that women want what other women want. Also adds to the emotional drama women crave.

There are a lot of nuances to it, and it does not work in the same way with all women in different places, but I am not very afraid to let women believe they are not the only one now.

Example from a Chinese woman I spent time with:

Quote:

I even imagine that you and me are chating on WeChat, while you and your Egyptian girlfriend making love, while you are thinking about your Thai girlfriend. You can do many things at the mean time, your heart is too big, can accommodate so many people and things.

A different example from the public domain:

[forever_beta]

(03-12-2015 04:05 AM)iknowexactly Wrote:  

You really think so? I might be naive, will you go into the process of how this works?

I mean, if she thinks "he's fucking someone else already and hiding it," this really INCREASES her interest? I've always been the most gullible person in the world... haha

I can attest to this phenomenon from personal experience. It's classic preselection bias. If you can run this part of game harder that's how you can get your LTR girl to do threesomes with you and other women. Fucking other women is a DHV on some sexual level. You have more value because you are desired by many women and you're a man who takes what he wants. Other women agreeing to have sex with you confirms her good choice in a desirable mate.

I've been in suspicion of cheating before when pretty damning evidence was found. What you might expect is psycho woman trying to hack your email accounts, ask annoying questions, and consider breaking up, cheating in reprisal, etc... Instead, it doesn't have to be like that.

Its amazing watching the hampster work when your woman finds evidence or has strong suspicion you cheated. You need to deny it right away. Shut that fucking shit down fast and be persistent. You need to be calm at all times and even light spirited but also maybe concerned about her feelings. If you panic and get scared beta, trying to convince her from your lowly position is likely to fail. If you are congruent about it, she wants to believe you because the alternative is unreal. She starts convincing herself of your story.

Every time she brings it up again, you just do the same thing. Either repeat your denial or (if you have the frame) take it a step further and admit to it jokingly and proceed to tell her a story about how you fucked another girl. She will probably play along and may even get horny. In this frame you can even describe a time that you really did cheat on her, as long as its always ambiguous. After that its being asked during sex "How many girls did you fuck", whereupon you answer some not small number and proceed to fuck her.

This will only work if you are alpha in your relationship. If you're always desiring and desired by women from day 1, its just a natural part of who you are as a desirable mate and she knows that.

If you are a beta half stepper, the cheating can come off as hurtful, offensive, and dishonest. This is how she will probably dump you and/or cheat on you if she hasn't already been cheating. You also really need to be calibrated to your woman. If you play this shit wrong, I imagine it could end very badly.

I'm not sure if it works the same way on all women. I think in this area it helps to have a woman who is emotionally mature, sexually mature, kinky, high beauty (probably 8 or higher), and most critically high self esteem. It helps if she has had or has thought about having sex with another woman before. As with everything it also helps if you fucking your woman really good.

I also have a hypothesis that there might be something about keeping it ambiguous. She knows you can and might be cheating but she can never be sure. The idea of you cheating can fondle the "submission to highly desirable alpha male" part of her brain while the ambiguity keeps the signal weak enough not to overstimulate her logical brain.

I also believe you can channel this energy and try to encourage it to eventually get to the level where your LTR girl will allow to fuck around (in a don't ask, don't tell, don't bring that shit home, don't embarass me in public kind of way) and also do threesomes with you and another girl.

[Medic42]

You know why divorces are so expensive? Because they're worth it!

[CaptainCrazy]

(03-12-2015 08:06 PM)forever_beta Wrote:  

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I also believe you can channel this energy and try to encourage it to eventually get to the level where your LTR girl will allow to fuck around (in a don't ask, don't tell, don't bring that shit home, don't embarass me in public kind of way) and also do threesomes with you and another girl.

Yes. Confirm by the personal experience.

The whole post are the words of wisdom.

[CleanSlate]

Going to the Philippines! Last night I booked my flight and a condo rental via airbnb for April 20 through May 9, almost 3 weeks.

Specifically, I will be staying in the Gramercy Residences within the Makati district, I hope that's a good place to stay, with good logistics.

I can't believe I'm doing this... the farthest I have been away from the US is Jordan. Now I'll be going to literally the opposite side of the world, with a totally different people and culture!

[Brodiaga]

^The good thing about Manila is that there are always guys from the forum there, both residents and visitors. Check out the Phils threads and PM some guys.

I would also recommend going to at least one of the islands with nice beaches for a few days, like Boracay, Palawan or Bohol. I've only been to Bohol.

There is a nice rooftop bar in Gramercy, good for pre-drinking before going to clubs. If you stay there, maybe you can use it as a date venue too, but it's pretty expensive for the Philippines.

[CleanSlate]

(03-14-2015 12:41 PM)Brodiaga Wrote:  

I would also recommend going to at least one of the islands with nice beaches for a few days, like Boracay

DONE! Apr 25-29 I'll be in Boracay. Flying in from Manila to Catican airport, then will take the ferry. Haven't reserved lodging in Boracay yet.

[VincentVinturi]

(03-06-2015 02:23 PM)CleanSlate Wrote:  

Closed on the house, and the wire transfer came in a few minutes ago BOOOYAAHHHHH!!!!!

I'm sitting on a nice chunk of change, and I need to start planning a trip somewhere. Some place with lots of beautiful women who are easy, eager to get my dick wet. I don't know where to go, though! <--- (good problem to have)

May I suggest a lovely poosy paradise? Medellín, Colombia.

It's cheap, has gorgeous weather year round, the food is great, and the women are scrumptious.

I know a guy who rents absolutely amazing apartments in Poblado, which is the neighborhood you'll want to stay in. PM me and I'll put you in touch.

[samsamsam]

(03-14-2015 11:39 AM)CleanSlate Wrote:  

Going to the Philippines! Last night I booked my flight and a condo rental via airbnb for April 20 through May 9, almost 3 weeks.

Specifically, I will be staying in the Gramercy Residences within the Makati district, I hope that's a good place to stay, with good logistics.

I can't believe I'm doing this... the farthest I have been away from the US is Jordan. Now I'll be going to literally the opposite side of the world, with a totally different people and culture!

That is fucking awesome. Best of luck, you will have a blast!!! So happy for you CS, way to start the prime of your life!

Too bad there is not a lot of info on the Philippines in this forum. Would be nice for some local intel.

[CaptainCrazy]

(03-14-2015 03:57 PM)samsamsam Wrote:  

Too bad there is not a lot of info on the Philippines in this forum. Would be nice for some local intel.

Wat? Philippines is probably the most discussed country here with tons of datasheets and intel. Do a search.

[CleanSlate]

(03-15-2015 12:19 AM)CaptainCrazy Wrote:  

(03-14-2015 03:57 PM)samsamsam Wrote:  

Too bad there is not a lot of info on the Philippines in this forum. Would be nice for some local intel.

Wat? Philippines is probably the most discussed country here with tons of datasheets and intel. Do a search.

Agree. There are a few 50+ page threads on that country alone, I don't have time to sift through all that information so I said "fuck it" and went ahead & booked with not much more than an educated guess.

[samsamsam]

(03-15-2015 12:19 AM)CaptainCrazy Wrote:  

(03-14-2015 03:57 PM)samsamsam Wrote:  

Too bad there is not a lot of info on the Philippines in this forum. Would be nice for some local intel.

Wat? Philippines is probably the most discussed country here with tons of datasheets and intel. Do a search.

It was a joke.

[CaptainCrazy]

(03-15-2015 01:40 AM)samsamsam Wrote:  

(03-15-2015 12:19 AM)CaptainCrazy Wrote:  

(03-14-2015 03:57 PM)samsamsam Wrote:  

Too bad there is not a lot of info on the Philippines in this forum. Would be nice for some local intel.

Wat? Philippines is probably the most discussed country here with tons of datasheets and intel. Do a search.

It was a joke.

OK. Ha Ha Ha

[CleanSlate]

Soon-to-be-ex signed the final divorce papers. I was worried that she would find a way to divorce-rape me at the last minute, but once the papers were signed, the danger of that was greatly reduced. All we need to do now is get the judge to sign it in court, and I'm completely FREE! Haven't gotten a court date yet, but it should be in about two weeks.