[Natural Nomad]

atm as in auto teller machine? No problems at all. I am working on an update Now. I will post it soon... I think my biggest worry for short term guys is getting quality above 7. These girls are not easy for short term at all. It actually kind of sucks.. ive had girls text me on fb for weeks and after a month they are DTF.. why? It's because they are not interested in flings.. I think some of the reason ive been doing so well here is that I look like a Serb (white with dark hair and eyes) I have extended family here.. (this is big and took me awhile to realize the value) sorry have to cut this short. About to eat.. will post more soon from my PC

[Akula]

(01-10-2015 04:43 PM)Natural Nomad Wrote:  

Yea I think to each as own. I do agree that it's a stretch at best to say they like the same while I will concede there are some similarities. Then again I'm sure I could find pictures of women of many nationalities that have striking similarities.

I've been to both and consider Serbian women hand's down better than those in Bulgaria. Bulgaria is still good though but Serbia on another level, particularly body-wise in my humble opinion.

[Natural Nomad]

(02-01-2015 05:00 PM)Akula Wrote:  

(01-10-2015 04:43 PM)Natural Nomad Wrote:  

Yea I think to each as own. I do agree that it's a stretch at best to say they like the same while I will concede there are some similarities. Then again I'm sure I could find pictures of women of many nationalities that have striking similarities.

I've been to both and consider Serbian women hand's down better than those in Bulgaria. Bulgaria is still good though but Serbia on another level, particularly body-wise in my humble opinion.

My thoughts exactly.

[Natural Nomad]

Serbia is not easy. While they are not prudes I am amazed at the lack of ONS here. When I read Roosh's posts about Ukraine I can feel his pain. It is certainly a grind. I think my previous posts have not emphasized this enough.

[Swordfish]

i visited Belgrade for a few days and Natural Nomad was a great guide and a real buddy.

I do think he has found his paradise, but he has some unique advantages

- He is half Serbian, but looks full Serbian in terms of face and physique. Can also rattle off enough Serbian (which is a damn hard language) to transfix any local girl. Natural Nomad has been there for months now, has extensive family still there, and he knows how to serve it up well as a backstory. I think this is his No. 1 advantage, which is unduplicatable for the rest of us.

- Serbians are very nationalistic. Friendly but nationalistic. On nights out with Natural Nomad and his Serbian buddy, we were doing fine. No hassle at all. Partly it was because they were very focused on what they were doing, and got down to business, and did not meander around. However, when I went out with a white Boston guy and a black guy from Charlotte, we went on a 30 minute stroll between clubs in what is considered a safe part of town. We got hassled by several different groups of guys. With one of those groups, it could have gotten serious except that we were in a rather crowded part of town. The guys from Boston and Charlotte (both have lived there for a couple years) said skin color was only part of the equation, but also that we were speaking English. The Bostonian also said it has gotten noticeably worse recently.

- I took a trip away from Belgrade, and it got rapidly worse in terms of hassle from nationalist nuts. Most Serbs are very friendly, but you are after all in a country where most males over 35 or 40 were involved in the war in Bosnia and Kosovo that killed over 100,000 people (what the West would call genocide). Smack in the middle of Belgrade are the buildings that the Americans bombed and the Serbs have left it unrepaired as a reminder.

- Quality of women is high. I think you will find comparable quality in Manhattan, or the Mid-levels clubbing area in HK, or the prime districts of Copenhagen, Paris, etc. The difference is that the 9s and 10s in Manhattan and HK mid-levels and Paris, Copenhagen are hugely augmented by a contingent of international girls drawn to those cities. Belgrade talent is wholly local (as in from the former Yugoslavia). So if it makes sense to you - Paris talent is better than Belgrade talent, but Belgrade local talent edges out local Paris talent.

- Overall, I like Serbia. Great food, good vibe, overall friendly people (except for the small minority of men who are actively hostile, but note that this is a minority who had participated in genocide).

- Natural Nomad says it takes three dates to score. I think that is with his natural advantages. Or if you are just really good at it. Most people would need more than 3 dates, or perhaps even measured in terms of weeks instead of dates. The 5s and 6s are as easy as anywhere. 72 hours in copenhagen yielded an 8. That, imo, is not doable in Belgrade.

- I will be the first to confess I have no game (or rather, what I have is natural, but nothing learnt or remembered). Yet, scoring has never been a problem for me. Newly single 2 months ago, I have already closed the deal within a 72 hour stay (or less) in the following cities - NYC, Warsaw, Copenhagen, Berlin, Tokyo, HK, London. Whereas I spent way more than 72 hours in Belgrade and still drew a blank.

- Still, I like the wildness and unruly nature of the Balkans. I think it will reap rewards if you are willing to seriously commit to the region.

[Swordfish]

so to qualify this thread.

if you have less than 1 week - Copenhagen/Stockholm is the best city in Europe

If you have 1 week - 3 months - Warsaw

If you have more than 3 months - Belgrade

FYI, I've lived in Europe for the last 12 years and have pretty much been to all the vaunted countries with beautiful women, except Ukraine and Russia.

[William Windsor]

I pulled a 6 back to my apartment on the same night but was too drunk to bang. Then I met a nice tall 8 who I dated for a couple months. I developed oneitis and totally blew it with this girl. Looking back I think my girl would have put out after a few weeks had I not acted so beta. So for me, no serbian no flag.

I haven't been to Serbia for years, but I think for some guys, Seriba could be an ideal EE destination. For me personally, I prefer Ukraine.

[Natural Nomad]

(02-07-2015 10:51 PM)Swordfish Wrote:  

i visited Belgrade for a few days and Natural Nomad was a great guide and a real buddy.

I do think he has found his paradise, but he has some unique advantages

- He is half Serbian, but looks full Serbian in terms of face and physique. Can also rattle off enough Serbian (which is a damn hard language) to transfix any local girl. Natural Nomad has been there for months now, has extensive family still there, and he knows how to serve it up well as a backstory. I think this is his No. 1 advantage, which is unduplicatable for the rest of us.

- Serbians are very nationalistic. Friendly but nationalistic. On nights out with Natural Nomad and his Serbian buddy, we were doing fine. No hassle at all. Partly it was because they were very focused on what they were doing, and got down to business, and did not meander around. However, when I went out with a white Boston guy and a black guy from Charlotte, we went on a 30 minute stroll between clubs in what is considered a safe part of town. We got hassled by several different groups of guys. With one of those groups, it could have gotten serious except that we were in a rather crowded part of town. The guys from Boston and Charlotte (both have lived there for a couple years) said skin color was only part of the equation, but also that we were speaking English. The Bostonian also said it has gotten noticeably worse recently.

Swordfish! I still disagree and think you are just getting rattled over one incident. Someone only said mean things to you in passing. I think that can happen anywhere! I am willing to bet that this will be your only confrontation in the span of a year - and I'll buy your next if I'm wrong

- I took a trip away from Belgrade, and it got rapidly worse in terms of hassle from nationalist nuts. Most Serbs are very friendly, but you are after all in a country where most males over 35 or 40 were involved in the war in Bosnia and Kosovo that killed over 100,000 people (what the West would call genocide). Smack in the middle of Belgrade are the buildings that the Americans bombed and the Serbs have left it unrepaired as a reminder.

This is true

- Quality of women is high. I think you will find comparable quality in Manhattan, or the Mid-levels clubbing area in HK, or the prime districts of Copenhagen, Paris, etc. The difference is that the 9s and 10s in Manhattan and HK mid-levels and Paris, Copenhagen are hugely augmented by a contingent of international girls drawn to those cities. Belgrade talent is wholly local (as in from the former Yugoslavia). So if it makes sense to you - Paris talent is better than Belgrade talent, but Belgrade local talent edges out local Paris talent.

Ok I get that. Wait till summer.

- Overall, I like Serbia. Great food, good vibe, overall friendly people (except for the small minority of men who are actively hostile, but note that this is a minority who had participated in genocide).

- Natural Nomad says it takes three dates to score. I think that is with his natural advantages. Or if you are just really good at it. Most people would need more than 3 dates, or perhaps even measured in terms of weeks instead of dates. The 5s and 6s are as easy as anywhere. 72 hours in copenhagen yielded an 8. That, imo, is not doable in Belgrade.

Hmmmmm

- I will be the first to confess I have no game (or rather, what I have is natural, but nothing learnt or remembered). Yet, scoring has never been a problem for me. Newly single 2 months ago, I have already closed the deal within a 72 hour stay (or less) in the following cities - NYC, Warsaw, Copenhagen, Berlin, Tokyo, HK, London. Whereas I spent way more than 72 hours in Belgrade and still drew a blank.

As far as the 72 hour thing you are comparing cities with good internet dating sites and a population several million people more than Belgrade. Those are two key factors. I don't know if you'd be able to do that if these cities didn't have that. Not saying you can't but I think it would be harder.


Really though, you have good natural game. What I don't understand is how you are fucking the quality of women you are without using any game. That to me is amazing. Not many people fuck 9's with zero game. You will be a BEAST after we hang out more.

- Still, I like the wildness and unruly nature of the Balkans. I think it will reap rewards if you are willing to seriously commit to the region.

Yes.


All that said, you were a pleasure to have here man hopefully we can hang more and have some more fun and work on some projects together. Forget HK Belgrade is the place to make moves.

[TheBMan]

Why was OP banned?

[Swordfish]

The BMan, I am as puzzled as you are. So is the OP.

NN (now banned), to be accurate, I have yet to score with a 9 since my breakup. I started with a 6, then had a steady diet of 7s, and so far only had an 8.

My goal by end of 2015, after learning age, is to progress onto a steady diet of 8s, with the occasional 9 thrown in.

As far as the 72 hour thing you are comparing cities with good internet dating sites and a population several million people more than Belgrade. Those are two key factors. I don't know if you'd be able to do that if these cities didn't have that. Not saying you can't but I think it would be harder.


Really though, you have good natural game. What I don't understand is how you are fucking the quality of women you are without using any game. That to me is amazing. Not many people fuck 9's with zero game. You will be a BEAST after we hang out more.

[Beirut]

How important will height be?

Im 5'8 and apparently all belgrade girls will stomp me with their heels

[BallsDeep]

If anyone has the OP's contact info please PM me.

I was planning to go to Belgrade very soon and wanted to meet up with him.

[shone]

(01-03-2015 01:26 PM)TripleG Wrote:  

@Natural Nomad,

"7. Less Competition

For me, I find the men in Serbia to be cool guys. They are mostly in shape, decent looking, and Alpha. "

On the contrary just about every post i have read on Belgrade, Serbia on these threads has commented that Serbian guys are some of the strongest competitors out there, not necessarily because of game but because they tend to keep a very tight grip on the girls in their social circles, almost how the Turkish guys do as per Rooshs' recent posts. Also, if one is a smallish guy (say under 5-10 and with thin frame) it will be very difficult to run night-game there since Serbian guys are literally head and shoulders taller than most other nationalities.

Check Out
-From "kafana" (bar, kind of)
Specifically 1:41
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1W0L-v2NlRk

Or this girl
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fOg7mj1_-sk

[LatinoHeat]

I've been living in Belgrade for 2 months, am 5"5 and can say most girls are around my height or shorter, though there is heavy standard deviation. Also they dress up very nice here but don't usually where heels during the day and especially to the clubs. The poor quality of the streets and sidewalks isn't conducive to it, especially near the clubs/splavs.

At the club I almost found my height to almost be an advantage in a way, like all the dudes were so much taller then me and the girls it was like the dudes were on a different "floor" when I was seeing eye to eye with them so it made me stick out, for better or worse. You'd be fine dude. I was going out with my buddy who is a Serbian-Australian, near 40 years old, pretty ugly dude, short, sloppy dressed and he was making out with all these hotties at the club because he spoke the langauge and because he had a retarded amount of confidence, which is the name of the game here. All the dudes here are super confident and funny and have solid "chill guy" game.

I think the girls here are very tough, but for different reasons. I don't think its like USA where girls make such a fucking stink about height. I think being ripped and in shape and confidence is much more important here.

(02-13-2015 07:00 AM)Beirut Wrote:  

How important will height be?

Im 5'8 and apparently all belgrade girls will stomp me with their heels

[Lizard King]

More Belgrade women: http://www.rooshvforum.network/thread-19115-...#pid987505

[jcardial]

(08-26-2015 09:46 AM)frankiecred Wrote:  

I've been living in Belgrade for 2 months, am 5"5 and can say most girls are around my height or shorter, though there is heavy standard deviation. Also they dress up very nice here but don't usually where heels during the day and especially to the clubs. The poor quality of the streets and sidewalks isn't conducive to it, especially near the clubs/splavs.

At the club I almost found my height to almost be an advantage in a way, like all the dudes were so much taller then me and the girls it was like the dudes were on a different "floor" when I was seeing eye to eye with them so it made me stick out, for better or worse. You'd be fine dude. I was going out with my buddy who is a Serbian-Australian, near 40 years old, pretty ugly dude, short, sloppy dressed and he was making out with all these hotties at the club because he spoke the langauge and because he had a retarded amount of confidence, which is the name of the game here. All the dudes here are super confident and funny and have solid "chill guy" game.

I think the girls here are very tough, but for different reasons. I don't think its like USA where girls make such a fucking stink about height. I think being ripped and in shape and confidence is much more important here.

(02-13-2015 07:00 AM)Beirut Wrote:  

How important will height be?

Im 5'8 and apparently all belgrade girls will stomp me with their heels

Unless you are personally doing well here as a short foreigner I don't see the value in denying it's not a big factor. Heels are incredibly common making the avg. female height more around 5'7"-5'8"and I get a strong impression that attractive Serbian women (barring rare status exceptions) will consider it a deal breaker if a guy isn't at least a few inches taller.

Claiming you can be a sloppily dressed 40 y/o and make out with actual hot chicks in clubs here riding on confidence alone is comically misleading. Serbian women strike me as pretty superficial about everything from dress to facial aesthetics. High quality women definitely demand high quality guys and it's not common to see slobs with beautiful babies.

I don't see the point in continuing to bump this thread because it kind of reads like NN had ulterior motives to entice foreigners to come here with a rose tinted analysis down to the click bait title. It seems like he claimed to be doing incredibly well here while slow rolling the fact that he has local connections, Serbian heritage, and basic language skills. I imagine someone will probably start a new thread soon or in the fall.

[PainPositive]

This guy obviously had only been in Belgrade a few months when he wrote this. Belgrade is not an easy place to bang higher then 7 range girls. Social circle game is a must.

[mater]

The serbian girls are very friendly and opened to americans.

They will go out of their ways to help.

Also the cost of living is one of the lowest from Eastern Europe.

I rate Belgrade in Top 5 best eastern European cities

[Otzmatron]

I will be going on a pick-up holiday to Belgrade in November. Anyone already there or is planning a trip? I'm also thinking about taking it from there on to Zagreb. First five beers on me.

[ChrisGambi]

is anyone in town?

[The Natural]

+1 Agree with the lot of it.
This guy knows what hes talking about.
Sometimes a simple post like this can better value than a datasheet. Travelled whole of EE except for Belarus, Russia & Romania. Hoping Bucharest can compete.

[chochemonger1]

Depends on your age. I would venture to say the quality in Medellin is close to Belgrade. Yes you have to pay, but colombianas are easier and Colombia is not expensive now. Only factors are your Spanish level and age. Late 30s and 40s, as a foreigner, you would not do as well in Belgrade. In Medellin you can sill do fine at that age. Just have the money to pay for her taxi.

[Demandred]

Since the main Belgrade thread is locked I might as well put this here...

A forum member asked me about renting an apartment in Belgrade for a long-term stay.

Here's my answer:

Go to this site:

https://www.halooglasi.com/nekretnine

Under the first field choose Stan => that's the apartment.

Gde Trazite? is the location. So enter either Beograd, Novi Sad, or wherever you want to live.

Choose Izdavanje option (not Prodaja). Izdavanje means Renting.

Cena do = the upper price limit.

kvadratura do = the upper square meter space limit.

Broj soba = the number of the rooms.

Click search.

Next, on the left side, you'll see a bunch of options. The most important ones (the ones you want to check) are:

Vlasnik = the owner. So you're dealing directly with the owner instead of the agency.

Sa fotografijom = with a photo.

Namesteno = has furniture.

------------------------------------

Here's how I would suggest you go about this.

Rent an apartment via AirBnB for a week.

Once here, get a local (preferably a girl you want to hook up with) and get her to help you with that site and visiting the apartments.

If you want to stay here for 3-6 months this method could potentially save you hundreds or even thousands of dollars.

I hope this has been somewhat helpful to you guys.

If you have any questions I'm glad to help.

[Kid Twist]

Do you need to be there for a long time or could a week + be fun?

I'm planning on there, St. Petersburg or Belarus (especially since Visa is no fee now)

Also, spring, or summer? I've heard great things. Thanks for the info, demandred

[Demandred]

Depends - girls wise, it would be wise to stay at least a week to get a bang.

you can see and do most of the tourist shit in just a couple of days.

Personally, I would go to St. Petersburg - I've been there and was blown away (by girls and the city itself)

I would say that spring would be best, from April till June/July. Afterwards Serbs go on vacations and the city is half empty.