I swear some of you cock block yourselves, mother hen style.

The first step to banging her on the first date is to kiss her on the first date. You gotta crawl before you ball, but you CAN crawl and ball in the same night. And that is way better than trying to slow-cook your way into some twat.

I would also say that that the sooner you fuck a girl, the quicker she invests into you. It's like she realizes that she fell for your trap and now has to post-rationalize her behavior to herself. ESPECIALLY if you gave her a super intense fucking, dominated her, fucked up her makeup, made her squirt, tortured her, ect...

I think that making a girl your whore lightning fast is the best way to bulldoze and bypass all that flakey, annoying, shit testing crap. Girls don't shit test guys that fuck their ass cheeks black and blue.

Quote: (11-13-2017 03:58 PM)Steelex Wrote:  

I swear some of you cock block yourselves, mother hen style.

The first step to banging her on the first date is to kiss her on the first date. You gotta crawl before you ball, but you CAN crawl and ball in the same night. And that is way better than trying to slow-cook your way into some twat.

I would also say that that the sooner you fuck a girl, the quicker she invests into you. It's like she realizes that she fell for your trap and now has to post-rationalize her behavior to herself. ESPECIALLY if you gave her a super intense fucking, dominated her, fucked up her makeup, made her squirt, tortured her, ect...

I think that making a girl your whore lightning fast is the best way to bulldoze and bypass all that flakey, annoying, shit testing crap. Girls don't shit test guys that fuck their ass cheeks black and blue.

Agreed. I'm usually satisfied once I've made their ass red- gotta step it up to the next level.

There's an important factor no one has talked about: alcohol.

If she doesn't drink, it's way more difficult to bang her in the first date. Kissing is also a bit harder. There are other less important factors too, so I actually don't have any strict rules, but I always expect a kiss within two dates.

Quote: (11-13-2017 04:34 PM)El Pistolero Wrote:  

There's an important factor no one has talked about: alcohol.

If she doesn't drink, it's way more difficult to bang her in the first date. Kissing is also a bit harder. There are other less important factors too, so I actually don't have any strict rules, but I always expect a kiss within two dates.

In my experience- if the girl doesn't kiss on the first date, shit's dead in the water.

Depends why she doesn't drink. If your fucking with girls whose families are from lower classes and she's had family members messed up with drugs or alcohol, your good to go. If she's just a middle class worker bee prude, pass.

Quote: (11-13-2017 06:12 PM)Repo Wrote:  

Depends why she doesn't drink. If your fucking with girls whose families are from lower classes and she's had family members messed up with drugs or alcohol, your good to go. If she's just a middle class worker bee prude, pass.

Do you mean pass after the first unsuccesful (no kiss) date or not even go out?

I don't drink and some top guys here (mixx) don't either. I don't pass on a girl who doesn't drink only because of this (lack of) habbit.

If she doesn't drink but has a fun personality I would still take her on a date, but if I didn't get a kiss she would not get a second one. As always use some judgement on a case by case basis, doesn't always have to be a hard rule.

Quote: (11-12-2017 04:08 PM)corsega Wrote:  

Then I'd invite them back to my place, and they'd either say no, or they'd have massive LMR.

This happened for 7 dates in a row , before I just started inviting girls to my place on the first date.

Quote: (11-13-2017 03:58 PM)Steelex Wrote:  

I think that making a girl your whore lightning fast is the best way to bulldoze and bypass all that flakey, annoying, shit testing crap. Girls don't shit test guys that fuck their ass cheeks black and blue.

I'm with Steelex and Vill@in on that one. Especially, as I do mostly dg, a girl EXPECTS me to be confident on a date, and if I'm not, than I'm incongruent soyboy pretending to be a mofo. Always be closing - kissing on a first date, suggesting going to yours/hers, if she declines you are still further down the road and can start secind date from where you finished the first. Parahprasing the old adage: Time is... pussy.

I've noticed that the more isolated and private you are with her, the easier it is to get the first kiss. I also agree that the first date-first kiss rule is a pretty good one. My performance has skyrocketed since I applied this...wish I had known this earlier in my blue pill days.:/

In some cultures if you don't at least try to kiss them on the first date they will think you are a pudding pusher.

Quote: (11-13-2017 01:30 AM)Kieran Wrote:  

^ how is it the most efficient system when it doesn't prescribe sex on the first date? You really think these girls haven't been fucked on a first date before?

Because it allows me to stack up to three hour-long dates an evening, and then, if I like the girls, invite them over for dinner on a night of my choosing (something I'm going to be doing anyway), and fuck them within two hours of them coming over.

Penis in vagina. Three hours. No LMR.

See if you can beat that consistently with bar dates.

Apropos to this thread. Conversation I had last week with a coworker...

"Hank, I met a guy last week."
"Cool. How did it go?"
"He's really young, around 26."
"Good time?"
"I don't know Hank, it was weird. We go on our first date and he doesn't even TRY to kiss me. Then he spends the entire week texting me. No phone calls, just tons of texts. Then out of the blue he's like 'this is moving too fast for me.'"
"Hmmm... you should have tried to put your hand up his skirt..."

Case in point is that if you don't try and kiss her on the first date, she's going to think you're either weak or uninterested.

In my native Denmark, SNL around eight times out of ten from my teens until I left in my mid 30s.
Here in Bulgaria I usually go for a kiss on the first date (or a make out if things are unusually heated, only happened a couple of times in almost five years - I've done very little night game though, was fed up with that, mostly online plus a bit of daygame now and then) but most girls turn their cheek or otherwise put up defenses. And the ones of them who were into me will then kiss on the second date and go home with me and have sex on usually the second or third date, occasionally the fourth (never any LMR here, it's been my impression that Bulgarian girls don't usually agree to go home with a guy they are not pretty damn sure they are ready to sleep with).

If you play your cards right, a lot of girls will eat ass on the first date. It's 2017 baby!

Not sure why everyone is stuck on it having to be one or the other. Throughout a lot of notches, I've done First date bangs all the way to 6th date bangs.

Usually, my first date is a free place (walk in the park), no money spent. Sometimes it's drinks or food if I'm hungry or she suggests drinks. Always close to my place. I'll ask her to come over to my place, and if she doesn't then I don't kiss.

If not first date lay, I go for second date lay. I ask them to come over again, and if they say no, I still don't kiss. Usually, by date 3 I just invite them to my house cuz they're mostly craving that kiss, and I just escalate all the way based on the momentum (kind of like Blackdragon method).

During a date, if they deny coming to my place after a bit, I just save my time and make it a shorter date than usual.

The girl I waited for 6 dates I kept around for like 9 months. Most of the dates were just cuddle and Netflix anyway for shows I was already binge watching. I've had some first date lays go 1 year as well.

I had a Russian 8/9 that I waited until the 3rd date. She said she wouldn't have gone on another date with me if I did first or second date kiss.

I suppose unlike everyone else here, I'm not trying to drop them if they don't put out on the first or second date. I just keep them all coming until they eventually rotate themselves out.

Quote: (11-11-2017 10:36 AM)EmotionalGeek Wrote:  

Will you set up another date if You didn't manage to kiss the girl in first one? What is your limit and experience?

Three date max. Usually, I tell a girl to kiss me or similar to hitch, that 80/20 principle. More importantly, I am at an age and experienced enough with pickup and game that, I CAN INTUIVELY FEEL IT. Lastly, I rather crash and burn, same as a blow out then regret not doing it.

It is scary times though. Everyone is getting popped for sexual assault. As a female co-worker put it. The only difference being, LIKING IT!

I am a little more gunshy if I am slaying in the workplace. I have sparingly but, sometimes, I cannot refuse. Here, I usually slow play it then beast mode.

I always go for a kiss on the first date unless I'm not attracted to the girl. Even if I fuck up my kino or miss an opportunity to escalate, I go for a kiss (which surprises them because they don't expect it). If the girl doesn't kiss me back on the first date, I assume she's not interested in me. I pretend it never happened, talk to her for another half an hour, then end the date.

If Date 1 is more what I call a "date zero", where you just grab coffee for thirty minutes, meet each other, and set up a second date...then you can get away with no kiss.

If you don't kiss her by the end of Date 1, it's not happening. Even when I was terrible with women, this rule never failed me.

Quote: (11-12-2017 01:35 PM)Steelex Wrote:  

Some of you seem to have forgotten the golden mantra of sales... The ABC's.

Always be closing.

If she agreed to go on a date with you, then the majority of the time it's the things you do on the date that determine if you can kiss close. And then go for the bang.

Women flat out DO NOT MIND if you push for the bang on the first date. In fact, they LOVE it. Just because she says no doesnt mean it didn't have a positive impact, and set you up for future bangs. Women want aggressive men, not some little baby back bitch who is afraid to kiss her.

The fact of the matter is, any woman who has a problem with you pushing for a kiss or sex (as long as you're not overly pushy, mean, or rapey about it), doesn't want your dick and isn't going to want it in the future.

Push, push, push.

Sometimes this is the case. Sometimes it's not.

Taking this advice literally could lead to pushing too hard, too fast. Scaring the cat and all that.

It's important to calibrate. Some girls are down to get going quickly. Others, you'll need to approach it with a two steps forward, one step back mentality.

Quote: (12-05-2017 04:01 PM)stugatz Wrote:  

If Date 1 is more what I call a "date zero", where you just grab coffee for thirty minutes, meet each other, and set up a second date...then you can get away with no kiss.

If you don't kiss her by the end of Date 1, it's not happening. Even when I was terrible with women, this rule never failed me.

I love the casual coffee-date > dinner! Given this is the online age of tinder/bumble and IG ass pics + attention whoring, I am less invested. Coffee is cheap. I don't pay. Prefer the casual frame. If nothing happens, no harm. No foul. NEXT SET!

This is proving to be a particularly interesting thread. I'm a usual reader of BlackDragon, so I'd like to see some more in-depth analysis on his system from our members. His rationale makes sense to me, buuut, the counter-arguments I've seen here are equivalently compelling. It seems to me that you really do have to cram as much action as possible into that one date, seein' as the likelihood of it bein' one date is that high.

It's 2018. We fuck these girls before the thought of taking her on a date even becomes an option.

We are almost in 2018... I don't kiss on first dates. I go straight for the fuck.


But seriously, I always try to set first dates directly at my place.. or get her there during the first date....
At a coffee shop or whatever things may be different, but if she's at your place it's just weird not to kiss.

Actually, it never happened to me that a girl accepted to come to my place and resisted to kiss... does this even happen?

Obviously set up another.