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Soviet Propaganda Believed by Most Americans Today
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Soviet Propaganda Believed by Most Americans Today

This was an alarming think piece to read, but highly necessary. I'm left with a strong feeling of hopelessness after reading this. Time to redpill on into the dark abyss.

http://esr.ibiblio.org/?p=260

Americans have never really understood ideological warfare. Our gut-level assumption is that everybody in the world really wants the same comfortable material success we have. We use “extremist” as a negative epithet. Even the few fanatics and revolutionary idealists we have, whatever their political flavor, expect everybody else to behave like a bourgeois.

We don’t expect ideas to matter — or, when they do, we expect them to matter only because people have been flipped into a vulnerable mode by repression or poverty. Thus all our divagation about the “root causes” of Islamic terrorism, as if the terrorists’ very clear and very ideological account of their own theory and motivations is somehow not to be believed.

By contrast, ideological and memetic warfare has been a favored tactic for all of America’s three great adversaries of the last hundred years — Nazis, Communists, and Islamists. All three put substantial effort into cultivating American proxies to influence U.S. domestic policy and foreign policy in favorable directions. Yes, the Nazis did this, through organizations like the “German-American Bund” that was outlawed when World War II went hot. Today, the Islamists are having some success at manipulating our politics through fairly transparent front organizations like the Council on American-Islamic Relations.

But it was the Soviet Union, in its day, that was the master of this game. They made dezinformatsiya (disinformation) a central weapon of their war against “the main adversary”, the U.S. They conducted memetic subversion against the U.S. on many levels at a scale that is only now becoming clear as historians burrow through their archives and ex-KGB officers sell their memoirs.


The Soviets had an entire “active measures” department devoted to churning out anti-American dezinformatsiya. A classic example is the rumor that AIDS was the result of research aimed at building a ‘race bomb’ that would selectively kill black people.

On a different level, in the 1930s members of CPUSA (the Communist Party of the USA) got instructions from Moscow to promote non-representational art so that the US’s public spaces would become arid and ugly.

Americans hearing that last one tend to laugh. But the Soviets, following the lead of Marxist theoreticians like Antonio Gramsci, took very seriously the idea that by blighting the U.S.’s intellectual and esthetic life, they could sap Americans’ will to resist Communist ideology and an eventual Communist takeover. The explicit goal was to erode the confidence of America’s ruling class and create an ideological vacuum to be filled by Marxism-Leninism.

Accordingly, the Soviet espionage apparat actually ran two different kinds of network: one of spies, and one of agents of influence. The agents of influence had the minor function of recruiting spies (as, for example, when Kim Philby was brought in by one of his tutors at Cambridge), but their major function was to spread dezinformatsiya, to launch memetic weapons that would damage and weaken the West.

In a previous post on Suicidalism, I identified some of the most important of the Soviet Union’s memetic weapons. Here is that list again:

There is no truth, only competing agendas.
All Western (and especially American) claims to moral superiority over Communism/Fascism/Islam are vitiated by the West’s history of racism and colonialism.
There are no objective standards by which we may judge one culture to be better than another. Anyone who claims that there are such standards is an evil oppressor.
The prosperity of the West is built on ruthless exploitation of the Third World; therefore Westerners actually deserve to be impoverished and miserable.
Crime is the fault of society, not the individual criminal. Poor criminals are entitled to what they take. Submitting to criminal predation is more virtuous than resisting it.
The poor are victims. Criminals are victims. And only victims are virtuous. Therefore only the poor and criminals are virtuous. (Rich people can borrow some virtue by identifying with poor people and criminals.)
For a virtuous person, violence and war are never justified. It is always better to be a victim than to fight, or even to defend oneself. But ‘oppressed’ people are allowed to use violence anyway; they are merely reflecting the evil of their oppressors.
When confronted with terror, the only moral course for a Westerner is to apologize for past sins, understand the terrorist’s point of view, and make concessions.
As I previously observed, if you trace any of these back far enough, you’ll find a Stalinist intellectual at the bottom. (The last two items on the list, for example, came to us courtesy of Frantz Fanon. The fourth item is the Baran-Wallerstein “world system” thesis.) Most were staples of Soviet propaganda at the same time they were being promoted by “progressives” (read: Marxists and the dupes of Marxists) within the Western intelligentsia.

The Soviets consciously followed the Gramscian prescription; they pursued a war of position, subverting the “leading elements” of society through their agents of influence. (See, for example, Stephen Koch’s Double Lives: Stalin, Willi Munzenberg and the Seduction of the Intellectuals; summary by Koch here) This worked exactly as expected; their memes seeped into Western popular culture and are repeated endlessly in (for example) the products of Hollywood.

Indeed, the index of Soviet success is that most of us no longer think of these memes as Communist propaganda. It takes a significant amount of digging and rethinking and remembering, even for a lifelong anti-Communist like myself, to realize that there was a time (within the lifetime of my parents) when all of these ideas would have seemed alien, absurd, and repulsive to most people — at best, the beliefs of a nutty left-wing fringe, and at worst instruments of deliberate subversion intended to destroy the American way of life.

Koch shows us that the worst-case scenario was, as it turns out now, the correct one; these ideas, like the “race bomb” rumor, really were instruments deliberately designed to destroy the American way of life. Another index of their success is that most members of the bicoastal elite can no longer speak of “the American way of life” without deprecation, irony, or an automatic and half-conscious genuflection towards the altar of political correctness. In this and other ways, the corrosive effects of Stalin’s meme war have come to utterly pervade our culture.

The most paranoid and xenophobic conservatives of the Cold War were, painful though this is to admit, the closest to the truth in estimating the magnitude and subtlety of Soviet subversion. Liberal anticommunists (like myself in the 1970s) thought we were being judicious and fair-minded when we dismissed half of the Right’s complaint as crude blather. We were wrong; the Rosenbergs and Alger Hiss really were guilty, the Hollywood Ten really were Stalinist tools, and all of Joseph McCarthy’s rants about “Communists in the State Department” were essentially true. The Venona transcripts and other new material leave no room for reasonable doubt on this score.

While the espionage apparatus of the Soviet Union didn’t outlast it, their memetic weapons did. These memes are now coming near to crippling our culture’s response to Islamic terrorism.

In this context, Jeff Goldstein has written eloquently about perhaps the most long-term dangerous of these memes — the idea that rights inhere not in sovereign individuals but identity groups, and that every identity group (except the “ruling class”) has the right to suppress criticism of itself through political means up to and including violence.

Mark Brittingham (aka WildMonk) has written an excellent essay on the roots of this doctrine in Rousseau and the post-Enlightenment Romantics. It has elsewhere been analyzed and labeled as transnational progressivism. The Soviets didn’t invent it, but they promoted it heavily in a deliberate — and appallingly successful — attempt to weaken the Lockean, individualist tradition that underlies classical liberalism and the U.S. Constitution. The reduction of Western politics to a bitter war for government favor between ascriptive identity groups is exactly the outcome the Soviets wanted and worked hard to arrange.

Call it what you will — various other commentators have favored ‘volk-Marxism’ or ‘postmodern leftism’. I’ve called it suicidalism. It was designed to paralyze the West against one enemy, but it’s now being used against us by another. It is no accident that Osama bin Laden so often sounds like he’s reading from back issues of Z magazine, and no accident that both constantly echo the hoariest old cliches of Soviet propaganda in the 1930s and ’40s.

Another consequence of Stalin’s meme war is that today’s left-wing antiwar demonstrators wear kaffiyehs without any sense of how grotesque it is for ostensible Marxists to cuddle up to religious absolutists who want to restore the power relations of the 7th century CE. In Stalin’s hands, even Marxism itself was hollowed out to serve as a memetic weapon — it became increasingly nihilist, hatred-focused and destructive. The postmodern left is now defined not by what it’s for but by what it’s against: classical-liberal individualism, free markets, dead white males, America, and the idea of objective reality itself.

The first step to recovery is understanding the problem. Knowing that suicidalist memes were launched at us as war weapons by the espionage apparatus of the most evil despotism in human history is in itself liberating. Liberating, too, it is to realize that the Noam Chomskys and Michael Moores and Robert Fisks of the world (and their thousands of lesser imitators in faculty lounges everywhere) are not brave transgressive forward-thinkers but pathetic memebots running the program of a dead tyrant.

Brittingham and other have worried that postmodern leftism may yet win. If so, the victory would be short-lived. One of the clearest lessons of recent times (exemplified not just by kaffiyeh-wearing western leftists but by Hamas’s recent clobbering of al-Fatah in the first Palestinian elections) is that po-mo leftism is weaker than liberal individualism in one important respect; it has only the weakest defenses against absolutist fervor. Brittingham tellingly notes po-mo philosopher Richard Rorty’s realization that when the babble of conflicting tribal narratives collapses in exhaustion, the only thing left is the will to power.

Again, this is by design. Lenin and Stalin wanted classical-liberal individualism replaced with something less able to resist totalitarianism, not more. Volk-Marxist fantasy and postmodern nihilism served their purposes; the emergence of an adhesive counter-ideology would not have. Thus, the Chomskys and Moores and Fisks are running a program carefully designed to dead-end at nothing.

Religions are good at filling that kind of nothing. Accordingly, if transnational progressivism actually succeeds in smothering liberal individualism, its reward will be to be put to the sword by some flavor of jihadi. Whether the eventual winners are Muslims or Mormons, the future is not going to look like the fuzzy multicultural ecotopia of modern left fantasy. The death of that dream is being written in European banlieus by angry Muslim youths under the light of burning cars.

In the banlieus and elsewhere, Islamist pressure makes it certain that sooner or later the West is going to vomit Stalin’s memes out of its body politic. The worst way would be through a reflex development of Western absolutism — Christian chauvinism, nativism and militarism melding into something like Francoite fascism. The self-panicking leftists who think they see that in today’s Republicans are comically wrong (as witnessed by the fact that they aren’t being systematically jailed and executed), but it is quite a plausible future for the demographically-collapsing nations of Europe.

The U.S., fortunately, is still on a demographic expansion wave and will be till at least 2050. But if the Islamists achieve their dream of nuking “crusader” cities, they’ll make crusaders out of the U.S., too. And this time, a West with a chauvinized America at its head would smite the Saracen with weapons that would destroy entire populations and fuse Mecca into glass. The horror of our victory would echo for a thousand years.

I remain more optimistic than this. I think there is still an excellent chance that the West can recover from suicidalism without going through a fevered fascist episode and waging a genocidal war. But to do so, we have to do more than recognize Stalin’s memes; we have to reject them. We have to eject postmodern leftism from our universities, transnational progressivism from our politics, and volk-Marxism from our media.

The process won’t be pretty. But I fear that if the rest of us don’t hound the po-mo Left and its useful idiots out of public life with attack and ridicule and shunning, the hard Right will sooner or later get the power to do it by means that include a lot of killing. I don’t want to live in that future, and I don’t think any of my readers do, either. If we want to save a liberal, tolerant civilization for our children, we’d better get to work.
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Soviet Propaganda Believed by Most Americans Today

Reading this sent a shiver down my spine. Thanks for sharing. This guy's blog has a lot of good posts about a lot of different things.

It's incredible to think that we might be brought down by an ideological weapon invented by a long dead tyrant. It's like being bitten by a venomous snake. Yeah, you can kill him when he's biting you but the venom's already in you and it's gonna get you eventually.

This is some advanced analysis and through my studies on the Cold War period and doing research on Stasi psychological warfare tactics, I've been thinking that something like this might have been going on for quite a long time.

The author of this blog post mentioned the Venona files and what he says about them is spot on. Not only were those 'xenophobic' loud-mouthed right-wing Cold Warriors right about how the government and media were infiltrated by Communists, it was way more deep and pervasive than even they could've imagined.

My greatest fear is that the SJW, cultural marxist crowd will take the reins of the IRS, NSA and our domestic surveillance agencies at some point. We all know how they like getting people who disagree with them fired from their jobs. There may come a time down the road when they use private communications as blackmail or threatening people to fall in line or lose their livelihood.

They could literally turn the entire country into a prison state in a few decades.

It's also interesting to me how the left hates letting people leave the country. They were the architects of FATCA and want to know about anyone who has overseas bank accounts. They've also bullied foreign banks into not working with Americans who might want to get out of Dodge when the getting's good.

This government is building the infrastructure someone could use to enslave us.

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/arch...ma/276635/

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Just watch "The Revelations of Yuri Bezmenov". That was where I learned about this.

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I know the above may sound like conspiratorial nonsense, but in actuality many KGB agents have come out with the USSR's old demoralization and disinformation programs:






Watch the whole series if you want to be shocked and frightened. But the bottom line is that a lot of bullshit like feminism may have been the result of useful idiots spouting demoralization propaganda in the United States from top tier universities causing America's cultural decline.

I found this part of the essay especially interesting:

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Religions are good at filling that kind of nothing. Accordingly, if transnational progressivism actually succeeds in smothering liberal individualism, its reward will be to be put to the sword by some flavor of jihadi. Whether the eventual winners are Muslims or Mormons, the future is not going to look like the fuzzy multicultural ecotopia of modern left fantasy. The death of that dream is being written in European banlieus by angry Muslim youths under the light of burning cars.

In the banlieus and elsewhere, Islamist pressure makes it certain that sooner or later the West is going to vomit Stalin’s memes out of its body politic. The worst way would be through a reflex development of Western absolutism — Christian chauvinism, nativism and militarism melding into something like Francoite fascism. The self-panicking leftists who think they see that in today’s Republicans are comically wrong (as witnessed by the fact that they aren’t being systematically jailed and executed), but it is quite a plausible future for the demographically-collapsing nations of Europe.

The U.S., fortunately, is still on a demographic expansion wave and will be till at least 2050. But if the Islamists achieve their dream of nuking “crusader” cities, they’ll make crusaders out of the U.S., too. And this time, a West with a chauvinized America at its head would smite the Saracen with weapons that would destroy entire populations and fuse Mecca into glass. The horror of our victory would echo for a thousand years.

Whoever wrote this essay knows his shit. He has a keen understanding of how the reactionary right can arise of out seemingly nothing. Case in point, Hitler started his rise to power absolutely penniless. Things were just that bad in Weimar Germany, (from starvation to rampant child prostitution) that tons of disenfranchised angry-white-men military vets banded together and made a political party out of logic, terror, and brutality. It came out of nowhere, and it took Germany by surprise.

But we aren't so different from the Germans. There's really no reason why America, with it's enormous military, couldn't experience the exact same thing.

Of course this is an absolute worst-case scenario, and it can be avoided if Cultural Marxism can be dismantled. The only question is if it will be done before society disintegrates to the point where the hard, and violent, right, becomes a viable political alternative for ordinary people.

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Quote: (11-06-2014 05:30 PM)TheWastelander Wrote:  

Reading this sent a shiver down my spine. Thanks for sharing. This guy's blog has a lot of good posts about a lot of different things.

It's incredible to think that we might be brought down by an ideological weapon invented by a long dead tyrant. It's like being bitten by a venomous snake. Yeah, you can kill him when he's biting you but the venom's already in you and it's gonna get you eventually.

This is some advanced analysis and through my studies on the Cold War period and doing research on Stasi psychological warfare tactics, I've been thinking that something like this might have been going on for quite a long time.

The author of this blog post mentioned the Venona files and what he says about them is spot on. Not only were those 'xenophobic' loud-mouthed right-wing Cold Warriors right about how the government and media were infiltrated by Communists, it was way more deep and pervasive than even they could've imagined.

My greatest fear is that the SJW, cultural marxist crowd will take the reins of the IRS, NSA and our domestic surveillance agencies at some point. We all know how they like getting people who disagree with them fired from their jobs. There may come a time down the road when they use private communications as blackmail or threatening people to fall in line or lose their livelihood.

They could literally turn the entire country into a prison state in a few decades.

It's also interesting to me how the left hates letting people leave the country. They were the architects of FATCA and want to know about anyone who has overseas bank accounts. They've also bullied foreign banks into not working with Americans who might want to get out of Dodge when the getting's good.

This government is building the infrastructure someone could use to enslave us.

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/arch...ma/276635/

Well said, great post. I even think the election this week is proof that there's still a sizable group of Americans that are willing to reject the SJW nonsense and return to the core of what made America great in the first place. While I'm not holding my breath for change, it is somewhat comforting to see the lefties get a defeat of this magnitude.

Yet one other thing to consider is just how far so-called "Progressive-ism" has advanced in just the last 30 years. I do hope to have children some day: What kind of world are they going to inherit in the next 30 years?

All the more reason to fight fire with fire when you are dealing with cultural Marxism.
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Before classical liberalism lost the public battle in the early 20th C several of its high profile adherents lamented that one of the reasons socialist/Marxist/fascist/etc doctrines won out (for a time, anyway) was that most people never really understood classical liberal principles well enough to defend them. That part sure hasn't changed.

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I legit was talking to someone about this the other day and saying that leftism entire ideology allows it to be brutally attacked by a more patriarchal entity. The fact that this was by design kills me. It's like watching antibacterial soup eliminating 99.9% of bacteria and leaving the .1% ebola, MRCA, etc to duke it out.

Frankly, I trust those rogue militia men to put up a good fight. Though I fear SJW somehow managing their way into the power apparatuses of the NSA, DOD, and DOJ.

If this happens, I expect the country to collapse and a lot of in fighting to occur. Though I trust that our military industrial complex would be able to pull itself together and coup the country back to order.

Interesting times are ahead of us gentlemen. This line in particular rings true to me:
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Brittingham and other have worried that postmodern leftism may yet win. If so, the victory would be short-lived. One of the clearest lessons of recent times (exemplified not just by kaffiyeh-wearing western leftists but by Hamas’s recent clobbering of al-Fatah in the first Palestinian elections) is that po-mo leftism is weaker than liberal individualism in one important respect; it has only the weakest defenses against absolutist fervor. Brittingham tellingly notes po-mo philosopher Richard Rorty’s realization that when the babble of conflicting tribal narratives collapses in exhaustion, the only thing left is the will to power.

I look forward to seeing the "Joan of Arc" that rises up against leftism.
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Samseau, if the US is in cultural decline... Can you point me to some examples of cultural peak/climax?

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Quote: (11-06-2014 06:09 PM)Cattle Rustler Wrote:  

Samseau, if the US is in cultural decline... Can you point me to some examples of cultural peak/climax?

I think you can peg 1950s Americana as the zenith. The 60s were when the slope began to start.
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Ahhh the 50s

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Pointing this out is probably deeply ingrained communist propaganda though. Don't mind me.
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Quote: (11-06-2014 06:15 PM)Sonsowey Wrote:  

Ahhh the 50s

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Pointing this out is probably deeply ingrained communist propaganda though. Don't mind me.

Completely unrelated to the discussion.

First, the tax code was completely different back in the 1950's. Even though marginal tax rates started at 90%, the amount of tax exemptions and loopholes meant that effective tax rates were lower than they were today.

Second, what the hell does tax policy have to do with cultural issues?

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The marxist links to the left has always been a pretty open thing but this is a whole new layer to the onion that i'm just hearing about. Very interesting stuff. Rep added.

I remember reading years ago that the whole civil rights movement was predicated on the administration being really afraid of Soviet propaganda targeting african-americans and other minority groups. Civil rights reform had nothing to do with inequality or racial tolerance, the government was afraid of a 5th column forming in the U.S. so they decided to go with integration to head it off. I always thought that theory was rather specious without much supporting evidence but now it makes a lot of sense.
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Eloquent. Enlightening. Terrifying.

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Apparently the moon landing hoax, Islam extremism, some of JFK assassination conspiracy theories and more were also caused by subversion.

Here are a few books if you want to know more. They are quite alarming.

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Quote: (11-06-2014 06:09 PM)Cattle Rustler Wrote:  

Samseau, if the US is in cultural decline... Can you point me to some examples of cultural peak/climax?

Western culture actually peaked in the late 18th century. The combination of intact European traditions, Christian society and the new introduction of scientific/Enlightenment thinking was the perfect recipe for cultural invigoration. This was also before the Industrial Revolution first introduced Western man to the dehumanizing effects of technology applied on a societal scale. This was the era when Western civilization was at its spiritual, cultural and artistic/aesthetic peak. The 19th century was a slow downhill slide, and the outbreak of the First World War in 1914 began Western civilization's steep period of decline, which continues to this day.

A lot of people will think what I'm saying is totally ridiculous, but that's just because they're falling into the trap of measuring society simply by technological progress. Of course, this is obviously a terrible metric. Modern day North Korea would, by this measure, be a superior society to 1950s America or 18th century Europe, but no one would prefer to live there. The best way to measure the health of a society is to look at its art, music, literature, architecture and philosophy. A healthy, vibrant society will produce works that are uplifting, aspirational, idealistic, and which honor the past while anticipating a brighter future. A society that is in decline produces works that are degenerate, reductive, dehumanizing, simplistic, sexual, soulless and nihilistic.

A few videos to help illustrate my point:

























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Jesus Christ El Chinito. This is almost too much disappointing history for one day.

TheWastelander said;
"It's incredible to think that we might be brought down by an ideological weapon invented by a long dead tyrant. It's like being bitten by a venomous snake. Yeah, you can kill him when he's biting you but the venom's already in you and it's gonna get you eventually."

This really serves as a lesson to me that we as a nation have made ourselves generational victims to decades long bad habits. Naiveté and failure of vetting or dissecting complex ideologies has caught up to us badly. If it ever rang true to me that "our policies of freedom have made us victim to tyranny" this was it, and I always thought that statement was ridiculous.

Samseau said;
"Of course this is an absolute worst-case scenario, and it can be avoided if Cultural Marxism can be dismantled. The only question is if it will be done before society disintegrates to the point where the hard, and violent, right, becomes a viable political alternative for ordinary people."

Nassem Taleb has been on a twitter rant the last month about extremism and cultural Marxism, namely on his view that more 'virulent strains' are less damaging in a long term context. He used the USSR's current day politics regarding communism as an example, juxtaposing Russia with USA's socialism-lite.

My view may be unreasonably cynical, but with what I know about the world via my experiences and of this country I think we are doomed for the worst, leftist, police state of fascism in this century or the most barbaric coup d etat in addition to a massive war.

This is the final chapter when zero sum politics are played out in a two party political system. All that ideological 'arms racing' leads to real world explosive consequences when large sectors of society are marginalized beyond function, whichever direction it's going.
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Anyway, I go to drill this weekend for a long weekend trip. It'll be amusing to quiz soldiers with the propaganda checklist from this piece; "Do you believe that..."There is no truth, only competing agendas, etc."? Oh, well you're a communist and didn't know it" and of course, "The end is nigh"

"A healthy, vibrant society will produce works that are uplifting, aspirational, idealistic, and which honor the past while anticipating a brighter future. A society that is in decline produces works that are degenerate, reductive, dehumanizing, simplistic, sexual, soulless and nihilistic."

fucking bravo Scorpion! That was well thought out.
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Quote: (11-06-2014 08:41 PM)TonySandos Wrote:  

Jesus Christ El Chinito. This is almost too much disappointing history for one day.

TheWastelander said;
"It's incredible to think that we might be brought down by an ideological weapon invented by a long dead tyrant. It's like being bitten by a venomous snake. Yeah, you can kill him when he's biting you but the venom's already in you and it's gonna get you eventually."

This really serves as a lesson to me that we as a nation have made ourselves generational victims to decades long bad habits. Naiveté and failure of vetting or dissecting complex ideologies has caught up to us badly. If it ever rang true to me that "our policies of freedom have made us victim to tyranny" this was it, and I always thought that statement was ridiculous.

Samseau said;
"Of course this is an absolute worst-case scenario, and it can be avoided if Cultural Marxism can be dismantled. The only question is if it will be done before society disintegrates to the point where the hard, and violent, right, becomes a viable political alternative for ordinary people."

Nassem Taleb has been on a twitter rant the last month about extremism and cultural Marxism, namely on his view that more 'virulent strains' are less damaging in a long term context. He used the USSR's current day politics regarding communism as an example, juxtaposing Russia with USA's socialism-lite.

My view may be unreasonably cynical, but with what I know about the world via my experiences and of this country I think we are doomed for the worst, leftist, police state of fascism in this century or the most barbaric coup d etat in addition to a massive war.

This is the final chapter when zero sum politics are played out in a two party political system. All that ideological 'arms racing' leads to real world explosive consequences when large sectors of society are marginalized beyond function, whichever direction it's going.


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Quote: (11-06-2014 08:33 PM)scorpion Wrote:  

Quote: (11-06-2014 06:09 PM)Cattle Rustler Wrote:  

Samseau, if the US is in cultural decline... Can you point me to some examples of cultural peak/climax?

Western culture actually peaked in the late 18th century. The combination of intact European traditions, Christian society and the new introduction of scientific/Enlightenment thinking was the perfect recipe for cultural invigoration. This was also before the Industrial Revolution first introduced Western man to the dehumanizing effects of technology applied on a societal scale. This was the era when Western civilization was at its spiritual, cultural and artistic/aesthetic peak. The 19th century was a slow downhill slide, and the outbreak of the First World War in 1914 began Western civilization's steep period of decline, which continues to this day.

A lot of people will think what I'm saying is totally ridiculous, but that's just because they're falling into the trap of measuring society simply by technological progress. Of course, this is obviously a terrible metric. Modern day North Korea would, by this measure, be a superior society to 1950s America or 18th century Europe, but no one would prefer to live there. The best way to measure the health of a society is to look at its art, music, literature, architecture and philosophy. A healthy, vibrant society will produce works that are uplifting, aspirational, idealistic, and which honor the past while anticipating a brighter future. A society that is in decline produces works that are degenerate, reductive, dehumanizing, simplistic, sexual, soulless and nihilistic.
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I think the peak stretched from about the late 18th century to the mid 19th. The decline in America of it's culture for good or ill, began with the destruction of the Old South following the Civil War. Following the war the culture and ideals of the United States changed forever.

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Soviet Propaganda Believed by Most Americans Today

Quote: (11-06-2014 06:00 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

I know the above may sound like conspiratorial nonsense, but in actuality many KGB agents have come out with the USSR's old demoralization and disinformation programs:






Watch the whole series if you want to be shocked and frightened. But the bottom line is that a lot of bullshit like feminism may have been the result of useful idiots spouting demoralization propaganda in the United States from top tier universities causing America's cultural decline.

Yuri way overestimates the power of the Soviet propaganda machine. There was a disinformation campaign that went on for decades, but I am not sure how effective it was since in the end it was the Soviet Union that embraced capitalism and not the USA that embraced communism.

The reality is that I think in most late-stage empires (like the USA) cultural rot/decay is inevitable. It is a byproduct of the easy life. This was the case in the Roman Empire, the Ottoman Empire, the Babylonian Empire, etc.

This video sums it up perfectly:




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Quote: (11-06-2014 08:33 PM)scorpion Wrote:  

Western culture actually peaked in the late 18th century. The combination of intact European traditions, Christian society and the new introduction of scientific/Enlightenment thinking was the perfect recipe for cultural invigoration. This was also before the Industrial Revolution first introduced Western man to the dehumanizing effects of technology applied on a societal scale. This was the era when Western civilization was at its spiritual, cultural and artistic/aesthetic peak. The 19th century was a slow downhill slide, and the outbreak of the First World War in 1914 began Western civilization's steep period of decline, which continues to this day.

A lot of people will think what I'm saying is totally ridiculous, but that's just because they're falling into the trap of measuring society simply by technological progress. Of course, this is obviously a terrible metric. Modern day North Korea would, by this measure, be a superior society to 1950s America or 18th century Europe, but no one would prefer to live there. The best way to measure the health of a society is to look at its art, music, literature, architecture and philosophy. A healthy, vibrant society will produce works that are uplifting, aspirational, idealistic, and which honor the past while anticipating a brighter future. A society that is in decline produces works that are degenerate, reductive, dehumanizing, simplistic, sexual, soulless and nihilistic.

Scorpion, you bring up valid points, but I really don't think any one of these can be used as a salient metric for societal peak. I think standards of living and quality of life need to be taken into consideration as a measure of societal value. I'm not disputing the cultural and spiritual peaks in Western civilisation that you brought up -- I've not doubt that The Magic Flute will continue to be enjoyed long after people have forgotten about 21 Jump Street -- but the truth is that these advances were really only reflective of the educated and upper classes. It would be far more telling for the richness in culture to be representative of the masses -- who, for the most part, never saw the inside of a classroom, were engaged in some form of unskilled labour and lived lives of rather squalid poverty.
Even the upper classes were hard-pressed to have seen a bar of soap or a toothbrush within a month, enjoyed primitive and ignorant standards of medical care and generally were oblivious to the ideas of wholesome living that we take for granted -- nutrition, exercise and work-life balance to name a few.

Perhaps I'm looking too firmly from behind my rose-coloured 21-century prism, but aside from being a part of that era's legacy towards mankind, I'm not sure of many of us would trade our status quo to be born at the same station in life in 1760.
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Soviet Propaganda Believed by Most Americans Today

Just saw this same essay linked by Instapundit. I noticed the word divagation, which I didn't know, and thought it was amazing to run into it twice in one day, before I realized it was the same Eric S. Raymond essay.

I think Instapundit reads here sometimes, but I suspect it's an actual coincidence that he linked it and I saw the same essay referenced in two different places on the same day. The essay is from 2006, and I'd seen it before, but it's a classic.

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Quote: (11-06-2014 11:01 PM)JWLZG Wrote:  

Scorpion, you bring up valid points, but I really don't think any one of these can be used as a salient metric for societal peak. I think standards of living and quality of life need to be taken into consideration as a measure of societal value. I'm not disputing the cultural and spiritual peaks in Western civilisation that you brought up -- I've not doubt that The Magic Flute will continue to be enjoyed long after people have forgotten about 21 Jump Street -- but the truth is that these advances were really only reflective of the educated and upper classes. It would be far more telling for the richness in culture to be representative of the masses -- who, for the most part, never saw the inside of a classroom, were engaged in some form of unskilled labour and lived lives of rather squalid poverty.
Even the upper classes were hard-pressed to have seen a bar of soap or a toothbrush within a month, enjoyed primitive and ignorant standards of medical care and generally were oblivious to the ideas of wholesome living that we take for granted -- nutrition, exercise and work-life balance to name a few.

Perhaps I'm looking too firmly from behind my rose-coloured 21-century prism, but aside from being a part of that era's legacy towards mankind, I'm not sure of many of us would trade our status quo to be born at the same station in life in 1760.

There is more to life than your material wealth and creature comforts. Feelings of community, strong kin networks, purposeful work, spiritual faith, optimism for the future...all of these were in abundance for the average man of those days, while today they are in short supply. Basically, (and obviously) you are biased toward the present, being well acquainted with its advantages. However, I think you'd have a hard time convincing a man from that era to live in ours. A man from back then would find our modern world incredibly cold, isolating, degrading, depressing and meaningless compared to what he was used to. Most of us are so desensitized to modernity and ignorant of the past that we don't even realize how poorly we live compared to our ancestors in every way besides the material/technological. And while, yes, we have much fancier technology which allows us to lead more comfortable lives, this is actually quite poor compensation for the loss of family, community, culture, satisfying work and spirituality that inevitably accompanies a post-industrial society like ours.

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Quote: (11-06-2014 04:59 PM)TonySandos Wrote:  

Crime is the fault of society, not the individual criminal. Poor criminals are entitled to what they take. Submitting to criminal predation is more virtuous than resisting it.
The poor are victims. Criminals are victims. And only victims are virtuous. Therefore only the poor and criminals are virtuous. (Rich people can borrow some virtue by identifying with poor people and criminals.)
For a virtuous person, violence and war are never justified. It is always better to be a victim than to fight, or even to defend oneself. But ‘oppressed’ people are allowed to use violence anyway; they are merely reflecting the evil of their oppressors.
When confronted with terror, the only moral course for a Westerner is to apologize for past sins, understand the terrorist’s point of view, and make concessions.
This part was what I thought was the scariest.

We are definitely seeing this go on. Ever since I've seen the videos with Yuri explaining subversion against the west I've been obsessed with finding/witnessing it in trace or large amounts. We are heading toward interesting times gents. History often repeats itself and we are another empire on shaky legs.

On the bright side, look at our group here. We have very intellectual men who see the writing on the wall. Men who know history and know how to salvage what's left and move on. When the shit hits the fan, it will come to no surprise to many of us, and we will not be paralyzed by the events (if it even happens in our lifetime) or fear. I hope nothing happens but I'm prepared for the worst, and hope for the best.

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Quote: (11-07-2014 12:24 AM)scorpion Wrote:  

Quote: (11-06-2014 11:01 PM)JWLZG Wrote:  

Scorpion, you bring up valid points, but I really don't think any one of these can be used as a salient metric for societal peak. I think standards of living and quality of life need to be taken into consideration as a measure of societal value. I'm not disputing the cultural and spiritual peaks in Western civilisation that you brought up -- I've not doubt that The Magic Flute will continue to be enjoyed long after people have forgotten about 21 Jump Street -- but the truth is that these advances were really only reflective of the educated and upper classes. It would be far more telling for the richness in culture to be representative of the masses -- who, for the most part, never saw the inside of a classroom, were engaged in some form of unskilled labour and lived lives of rather squalid poverty.
Even the upper classes were hard-pressed to have seen a bar of soap or a toothbrush within a month, enjoyed primitive and ignorant standards of medical care and generally were oblivious to the ideas of wholesome living that we take for granted -- nutrition, exercise and work-life balance to name a few.

Perhaps I'm looking too firmly from behind my rose-coloured 21-century prism, but aside from being a part of that era's legacy towards mankind, I'm not sure of many of us would trade our status quo to be born at the same station in life in 1760.

There is more to life than your material wealth and creature comforts. Feelings of community, strong kin networks, purposeful work, spiritual faith, optimism for the future...all of these were in abundance for the average man of those days, while today they are in short supply. Basically, (and obviously) you are biased toward the present, being well acquainted with its advantages. However, I think you'd have a hard time convincing a man from that era to live in ours. A man from back then would find our modern world incredibly cold, isolating, degrading, depressing and meaningless compared to what he was used to. Most of us are so desensitized to modernity and ignorant of the past that we don't even realize how poorly we live compared to our ancestors in every way besides the material/technological. And while, yes, we have much fancier technology which allows us to lead more comfortable lives, this is actually quite poor compensation for the loss of family, community, culture, satisfying work and spirituality that inevitably accompanies a post-industrial society like ours.


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