[El Chinito loco]

(10-05-2014 11:15 AM)The Lizard of Oz Wrote:  

(10-05-2014 10:48 AM)Garzero Wrote:  

So what Roosh stated ("I don't think he purposefully wanted to hurt me") should be discussed a little bit...

Right. Let's all "discuss" it because there is nothing classier than piling on when a guy can't respond.

What happened is unfortunate. I have found Kamaki's writing to be extraordinary, memorable, and unlike anything else I've ever read -- and I've read a great deal. I am grateful to him for the contribution he has made, and I will never forget it.

You convinced me I kind of agree let the man post. let him speak for himself.

[Comte De St. Germain]

I say we let Greek Kamaki defend himself and say his piece before we condemn the man. We gave Vincent Vinturi a chance and so I think it would be prudent to let Kamaki speak before any judgement can be made.

[Roosh]

Kamaki will never make another post on this forum again, and if he attempts to register another account, it will be immediately banned.

[unom]

Kamaki was one of the most entertaining guys on this forum. I think many people here will miss the greek whoremonger.

[Sp5]

(10-05-2014 11:27 AM)Kabal Wrote:  

(10-05-2014 11:17 AM)Roosh Wrote:  

-When it comes to men, I prefer the company of Western men who are native English speakers. Western European, particularly Scandinavian and Germanic, would be my second choice.

Hajnal Line, bitches.

Yeah, I think a lot of these guys in the East or maybe former Ottoman lands don't see a big difference between blatant p4p, buying a girl dinner or a drink, or paying a much-younger virgin's family a dowry for a marriage and buying her wedding gold.

I see the mentality a lot with Arab guys. I think male / female relationships are transactional, it's just in the west and assorted other places women have sublimated or hamsterized the transaction into a response to status, power, looks, money, or the performance and potential thereof, which is what we call "game."

[Vicious]

Called it.

From early I've been an outspoken sceptic of GK to the point of calling much of his Intel straight up BS.

I don't derive any particular pleasure from this, it's all our loss that this is a double figures repped member of the community.

[Courage Reborn]

delete

[POASTER]

I'm curious about what Kamaki looked like and acted like, aside from the situation you described.

A lot of his rants were strange (yet entertaining) no doubt, but he innovated the photographic datasheet which was cool. Although now knowing this, the idea of him walking around taking zoomed in pics of girls is kind of weird.

[Sourcecode]

Did anyone think that GK wasn't a p4p person to begin with?
Aside from his colorful language.. almost everything he said game wise, led into giving girls "gifts" or throwing money around.
I was asked a couple times if I planned to meet him..and I always said, I had to plan. I knew from the bat, he style would hinder me more than anything


2 years ago, Roosh made this post
http://www.rooshvforum.network/thread-10999.html
Saying Kamaki seemed to be trolling...


Over the last two years, its not like he has done much to lighten up.. the only thing that got him by was his "colorful language"

I think a lot of people on the forum knew that GK might have been talking out of his ass a lot of times and/or his "game" was not a representative of what most of us consider game...but not many people wanted to take the time to call him out.
Its hard to argue with a person that often barely seems to write logically.
His mentality has always been hypocritical and defeatist in terms of how everyone treats the greeks
http://www.rooshvforum.network/thread-20955-...#pid605606
http://www.rooshvforum.network/thread-20955-...#pid606787
My examples,specifically are in the way he talks about being in germany..and hating everything german and making excuses.
p4p doesnt work with normal girls in germany..considering germany has a massive brothel system.
I've called him out before..I don't know why it took this long to confirm


While I wont say that all of what he said was filled with bullshit( He did have some decent datasheets).. Lot of of it didn't fit what anyone else's experience.I dont see how anyone could see past his ideas that the best game was to give girls stuff in exchange for sex.

[Booyah]

It was obvious from the beginning but 90% of guys in this forum were adoring him as if he was Casanova but when Roosh decided to make this thread, suddenly everyone knew that it's something wrong with him

Unfortunately, southern europe / muslim guys tend to do something like this notoriously.

[Rutting Elephant]

(10-05-2014 12:21 PM)Sp5 Wrote:  

Yeah, I think a lot of these guys in the East or maybe former Ottoman lands don't see a big difference between blatant p4p, buying a girl dinner or a drink, or paying a much-younger virgin's family a dowry for a marriage and buying her wedding gold.

I see the mentality a lot with Arab guys. I think male / female relationships are transactional, it's just in the west and assorted other places women have sublimated or hamsterized the transaction into a response to status, power, looks, money, or the performance and potential thereof, which is what we call "game."

The transactional styles lead to paranoia in longer term relationships. Besides the most obvious expression, the burqa, there are examples like an Indonesian 7 I know whose sugar daddy hired a PI to follow her to the mall and take pics of her with her poor but much younger boyfriend.
Could the frame be any worse? It's pathetic. My LTR has reported several times paunchy middle-aged men in cafes sending a secretary or waitress over to her to request an introduction. I consider this middle-school behavior, and it doesn't work with quality girls.
As for the insecure geezer, he eventually took the mistress back, then she dropped him and married the youth. Transactional dread game didn't work.
That way lies madness. Game is the perennial answer.

Edit: the old guy was Chinese so this wasn't Arab trolling, but now that I think of it I remember a news story where Bogor residents were offended that Iraqi refugees would walk around saying "how much?" to every woman in sight.

[Sourcecode]

(10-05-2014 12:46 PM)Booyah Wrote:  

It was obvious from the beginning but 90% of guys in this forum were adoring him as if he was Casanova but when Roosh decided to make this thread, suddenly everyone knew that it's something wrong with him

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confirmation_bias
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cognitive_bias

Not everyone is so critical. And unless there is irrefutable evidence people tend to ignore certain things only the good

[Saladin]

(10-05-2014 11:17 AM)Roosh Wrote:  

(10-05-2014 10:45 AM)Fisto Wrote:  

With hindsight was there any chance to reframe with the girl?

I tried. She didn't escape from me, but the mood just turned upside down, and like I said the whoremonger stench was too great that I had to cut my losses.

Quote:

Any dude who goes to a regular club or bar (i.e. not a brothel or hooker joint) and thinks that offering money in exchange for sex is a good idea obviously has some issues.

Some issues with social calibration... I agree.

This experience did reveal an interesting paradox:

-When it comes to men, I prefer the company of Western men who are native English speakers. Western European, particularly Scandinavian and Germanic, would be my second choice. In my several years in South America and Eastern Europe, I've found it very difficult to make friends with local men. They always do something "stupid" that a Western man would never do, stemming from insecurity, lack of social awareness, or some type of chip on their shoulder.

-When it comes to women, I prefer the company of non-Western women who aren't native English speakers. I can't tolerate or maintain a relationship with Western women.

Yep the attitudes of some of these arab/Indian men is horrible.

I recently had the displeasure of accidentally getting into a fake cab while very very drunk. The driver of the fake cab was Indian and he was trying to get laid/overcharge people. I watched as he ran his extremely shitty game and called the girls sluts when they refused his advances.

Not sure about Latin American guys, a lot of the upper class ones are pretty cool to hang out with and don't get all needy with girls.

[Sp5]

(10-05-2014 12:47 PM)Rutting Elephant Wrote:  

(10-05-2014 12:21 PM)Sp5 Wrote:  

Yeah, I think a lot of these guys in the East or maybe former Ottoman lands don't see a big difference between blatant p4p, buying a girl dinner or a drink, or paying a much-younger virgin's family a dowry for a marriage and buying her wedding gold.

I see the mentality a lot with Arab guys. I think male / female relationships are transactional, it's just in the west and assorted other places women have sublimated or hamsterized the transaction into a response to status, power, looks, money, or the performance and potential thereof, which is what we call "game."

The transactional styles lead to paranoia in longer term relationships. Besides the most obvious expression, the burqa, there are examples like an Indonesian 7 I know whose sugar daddy hired a PI to follow her to the mall and take pics of her with her poor but much younger boyfriend.
Could the frame be any worse? It's pathetic. My LTR has reported several times paunchy middle-aged men in cafes sending a secretary or waitress over to her to request an introduction. I consider this middle-school behavior, and it doesn't work with quality girls.
As for the insecure geezer, he eventually took the mistress back, then she dropped him and married the youth. Transactional dread game didn't work.
That way lies madness. Game is the perennial answer.

Edit: the old guy was Chinese so this wasn't Arab trolling, but now that I think of it I remember a news story where Bogor residents were offended that Iraqi refugees would walk around saying "how much?" to every woman in sight.

So many Arab and other eastern guys have no concept of any game other than saving up to offer the dowry, making lame compliments or crude comments to foreign women, or just offering cash to a local slut. I try to teach some of the Egyptian guys I know the power of just walking up and saying hello, making an indirect approach like asking directions and then directly showing interest without being crude or lame about it, getting the phone number. But the crude comments and street harassment are so prevalent in Egypt that day game is very tough, women just blow by you or have earbuds in at all times.

I was doing some homework and discussion in class a couple of weeks ago and found out that the Arabic verb for "flirt with" also means "harass" or "hassle" (يعاكس).

My rule is that you can deviate a little bit from Rollo Tomassi's SMV graph and do better with game, but much beyond that and you are definitely going to encounter mercenary girls. For example, George and Amal are based on true SMV despite the age differential, but Don Sterling and V. Stiviano are not.

I don't see how some touch of paranoia in a LTR is escapable, given the rules of hypergamy. Let your game down, and you're done.

GK did lead me to look up "Kamaki," so I thought he had experience seducing western tourists, but I guess not. Something like what happened to Roosh happened with me when I was out in Bangkok with an Indian businessman I was trying to help, and it pissed me off. We were at Saxophone in Victory Monument Square and he offered money to one of two Thai women at the bar we were talking to and I saw as possibilities. For those familiar with it, Saxophone is a long-established jazz / blues club and does not have a p4p crowd at all. I was done with that guy after that too.

[MikeCF]

Ive never met anyone offline who wasn't the same as they were online. If I like someone online, I like the person offline. If someone seems "off" online, I don't meet them in person.

GK's posts were amusing fodder and a distraction from the serious business of life, but I would have gone out with him in public. He was an obvious big talker, used car salesman type. Useful for a laugh, and maybe good for a couple of beers to be entertained by his bullshit, but not the kind of person you'd go out in public with.

[freezer]

(10-05-2014 11:17 AM)Roosh Wrote:  

-When it comes to men, I prefer the company of Western men who are native English speakers. Western European, particularly Scandinavian and Germanic, would be my second choice. In my several years in South America and Eastern Europe, I've found it very difficult to make friends with local men. They always do something "stupid" that a Western man would never do, stemming from insecurity, lack of social awareness, or some type of chip on their shoulder.

Yes, right, all the millions of men who are not born in the western world,
are "stupid", "insecure", without "social skills", etc

Rather the truth is that apart from few naive western men,
noone else believes the BS stories of Roosh bangs.

Or should we look at the real truth about Roosh, who advocates free speech all the time, and bases Return of Kings on the right to
free speech, but he always bans and limits the right to free speech
to everyone else who doesn't straightly lick his ass...



http://twitter.com/Extropico/status/403326953169506304

http://twitter.com/rooshv/status/471546630458855425

Thousands of members have been banned simply because
at some point they had opposing views to Roosh.

Hundreds of old, respected members have left RVF, never to
return again, because Roosh is constantly on power trips.

All he wants is your full obedience and licking his ass,
otherways you will be banned as well.

This is very visible today, as everyone went as sheep,
from respecting Greek Kamaki, to mobbing with Roosh
against Greek Kamaki

Few years of work from Greek Kamaki into this forum,
and over 4 thousands useful posts,
did not matter anymore, because Roosh felt for a moment
"inconvenienced" from a misunderstanding



Roosh, a total hipocrite, bangs very infrequently extremely ugly girls,
however he is a total dictator on here, and we should
all be his obeying slaves

There is not even a gram of free speech on RVF

[freezer]

[Basil Ransom]

Greek Kamaki received a warm response from me and many others as well for a simple reason: he was entertaining while his advice was irrelevant. I am not traveling much and have no need for advice on foreign women, so I would never need to consider his assessments about that subject. It would be like reading reviews of exotic cars that lied about how reliable they are - if you're never actually going to own one, you're not going to care that the reviewer is say, understating the expense of owning and operating a ferrari.

[freezer]

Does Roosh respect free speech?



My banning will tell you exactly that

[JayJuanGee]

We can see someone whose days (hours/minutes) are numbered... NOT because s/he or it speaks the truth but rather because s/he or it engages in bullshit attempts at ad hominem attacks that are lacking in merit.

Edit: Witnesseth: Freezer got froze out. I thought that I would get-in my post before the ban... but.. too late, it seems.

[Rutting Elephant]

If you create a sock puppet months before your banning, doesn't that mean you're expecting to get banned? Why not just log off altogether?

[Garzero]

I'm 100% sure GK tried to sabotage Roosh.
First because I consider him too intelligent to ignore what he was actually doing. Second because, ehm, I shouldn't say that, but you guys know what's the most common stereotype about greek people? (answer: traitor). If a stereotype exists, there must be a reason.

[Duke Castile]

I wish Roosh had held his tongue and saved it for the interview.

That would have lived up to the hype.

[svenski7]

[Que enspastic]

GK's ommentary on Eastern European ass and his historical analysis of a woman's subconscious feelings being the expression of her nation's psyche were completely outlandish yet he drew you in. Was this a real man ? Did he actually believe what he wrote or was it all entertainment value ? What the fuck ?

These were the questions he entreated you to ask of him.

Those questions have been answered in part now. Farewell.