[Caveman]

After I read this article, I've been toying in my head a possible strategy for successfully getting a first night lay out of this type of situation, and generally any situation where a girl declares to you she supports feminism.

So instead of objecting to it or letting it slide by, why not use her support for feminism to our advantage?

The basic idea is to make a point that a successfully feminized woman is one that would have no problem sleeping with me tonight, and if she can't let herself go and have sex tonight, then she's just a wannabe feminist.

I'm thinking of two steps how it could be done:

First when she mentions feminism, agree with her and expand on it. For example you might say something like "It's good that feminism attempts to liberate women from their 'weaker sex' stereotype that society has imposed on them since the beginning of time, ... , women are not born weak, but the patriarchy represses them to be weak and dependent, ... blah blah blah, ... and today women have come a long way and can do so many things that they couldn't do in the past, like be doctors, scientists, ..., thanks to feminism, ... , blah blah blah, ... etc. And this is all a good thing and it's for the better for everyone, ... blah blah."

Now a very important part. You state that although feminism is so great and women today do agree to its greatness, most of them for some reason are still weak inside and for whatever reason haven't been able to internalize it down into their inner core as they're supposed to. And that's why they're still less than men. You can throw in whatever crap examples to support your view. Your point is that women are still WEAK and while they talk the talk they still don't fully walk the walk.

Then later in the night when you try to put your boner in her and you encounter last minute resistance, you can say something like: "See, you're a weak feminist too. I can feel your body and I can tell you really want to fully enjoy the moment, but you're still unable to overcome the repression that's holding you back, and are using a lame excuse like being on period to mask this weakness while you still succumb to the repression ..."

I'm thinking the only cases where this might work is when the girl is already on the fence and looking herself for an excuse to let herself go all the way, but to be honest I haven't had a first night lay in my life, hell I haven't even met any feminists where I live, so feel free to shred my idea to pieces if you think it's flawed, or you can expand on it if you find anything good in it.

[SydneyD]

You just have to be what Roosh calls a good 'clown'.

Play her game. Tell her exactly what she wants to hear. Be very calculating about it. Don't say what you want to say, say what she wants you to say.

I understand why Roosh didn't push for the bang though, No woman is worth giving up your principles

[TheMan]

There are guys who are not doing this?
Fuck its always been in my arsenal (and have had to use it 10x more since relocating to Toronto).

Play it pretty much as you said except maybe smooth out the you're a weak feminist thing. I use " weekend-feminist". Then its pretty much game on. Treat any LMR after that point as normal and don't drop the feminist bomb again while dealing with it or you'll blow it.

[The Beast1]

Are you seriously that desperate to stick your peen into a vagina?

I've walked out on girls during dates where she was less than stellar. Don't waste your energy validating overt feminists.

[soup]

I think the trick is to not get into an argument with her. You can say something like I'm not scared of a little blood.. She may still say let's cuddle after that, but you can still rengage physical escalation in a little while. Just say "sure".. Don't confront her.

Then keep on going until it's obvious that you aren't going to just go to sleep unless something happens. It might come to a point where she's like "I'm going to leave if you keep doing this" then tell her that you need to hang with someone that is on the same team as you and that she seems cool but she's confusing you etc. Turn it around on her- put the ball in her court and get her qualifying to you.

Whatever happens don't fight with her. She might end up leaving, but I've done the above several times, and after lots of resistance and renagagement, they finally just literally said "ok you can fuck me". At least two occasions come to my mind right now.. One of the girls ended up hanging out with me for over half a year.

The other point is to get your game to a place where you aren't in danger of being thirsty.. Constantly be getting numbers and meeting new girls. Then you will have more choice and won't have to hang with a girl who passes a thirsty boner test and give you an uphill battle. It's usually the mediocre girls, the 6s-7s who put up so much shit testing.

If anything, it will at least keep you in the abundance mind and the "I don't give a fuck" "I don't mind" mentality.

[WilliamShatnersEgo]

You're not validating anything. When you don't call afterwards she's still going to feel like shit and she'll start questioning her ridiculous paradigms.

[RockHard]

(07-10-2014 09:23 AM)WilliamShatnersEgo Wrote:  

You're not validating anything. When you don't call afterwards she's still going to feel like shit and she'll start questioning her ridiculous paradigms.

Agree with that. It's no different from telling any other lie to get laid. I've done this before, with sluts met online. Agree & amplify. Encourage her sexual freedom. You're not looking for a wife.

Let's look at the alternative: what will you get by arguing with her? You keep your pride.

Also I like Soup's line "not afraid of a little blood". In Roosh's case she already thinks he's a man of mystery, so something like "I've seen blood before" sounds like he's used to being in violent situations.

[AnonymousBosch]

Dupe

[AnonymousBosch]

(07-10-2014 09:23 AM)WilliamShatnersEgo Wrote:  

You're not validating anything. When you don't call afterwards she's still going to feel like shit and she'll start questioning her ridiculous paradigms.

Which, for a feminist, includes the possibility that you actually raped her, since the sex didn't lead to the respect and connection she expected from it.

Sure, they'll talk about how sexually-liberated they are, but why would you assume a woman a) actually knows what she wants, and, b) can accurately-predict her emotions when sex is involved?

[runsonmagic]

Just use the highly advanced evil manipulative pick-up technique known as "nodding."

[WestIndianArchie]

Another male fantasy, using her feminism against her.

Like you can logic your way into the pussy.

WIA

[RockHard]

(07-10-2014 05:09 PM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  

Another male fantasy, using her feminism against her.

Like you can logic your way into the pussy.

WIA

So what's the alternative? Don't screw self-proclaimed feminists?

I've banged a bunch of 'em. I just don't believe in arguing a point that's not worth arguing. If the aim is to get laid, nod politely (agree & amplify even), and move the topic to something more productive.

My only disagreement is that she's going to see the error of her ways when you don't call back. Chances are just as good that she won't call you back. The whole "it was just a fling". Chicks are mercenaries these days. She'll see the error of her ways when she's 40 and feeding her 3 cats or attempting to parent her illegitimate child. The punishment is not delivered swiftly, which is why women go the way they do because the results of their actions take years to show.

[WestIndianArchie]

(07-10-2014 05:22 PM)RockHard Wrote:  

(07-10-2014 05:09 PM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  

Another male fantasy, using her feminism against her.

Like you can logic your way into the pussy.

WIA

So what's the alternative? Don't screw self-proclaimed feminists?

If you believe in the red pill, believe in game, then you treat her like any other woman that you'd bang.

There's nothing special about banging a feminist or a Republican. The game is the same.

She goes out
She drinks
You talk to her
She gets excited.
You make it possible for her to go home with you and do a Bible reading.

A bunch of these feminists are always talking about how "sex positive" they are.

Newsflash, all women are sex-positive. It's in the DNA. It's how the species propagates itself. Whether or not a chick chooses to broadcast that fact, and whether or not a dude is dumb enough to comment on it, is besides the point.

Enmeshing yourself in looking for ways to exploit a bankrupt philosophy is just assbackwards.

If anything, regular GAME works *better* on feminists.
It works better on "Intelligent, Educated, Independent, Career" women.

Feminist movement has been nothing but a god send for players, and hell on earth for guys w/o game.

Who do you side with?

Like I stand with those guys who stick their heads in the sand and reject the truth? Tin foil hat mf'ers, wishing for days of old that never existed?

There's no need to tweak your conversations. If anything, her feminist ranting is a way to rile you up and get you flustered. It's a defense mechanism.

If i'm gonna fuck a Red, White, and Blue Republican chick, i'll let her prattle on about Obamacare and Affirmative Action. On some, "My loins are stirring, is this guy a Jesse Jackson or a Herman Cain?"

Meanwhile I'm on some Iceberg Slim shit. If I want to talk politics, I'll find some blog or message board. The fuck this bitch know about a Laffer Curve anyway?

A couple of, "wow's, and "that's a good point" is just conversation fodder. I'm trying to figure out if she likes cream pies, and whether or not she pays for her BC or lets her employer do it.

Stick to the script. Deep down she likes the attention. She wants to fuck, but she also wants to rule you out. Her conscious mind might not be ready to take dick, but her unconscious mind might.

And she's going to do whatever it takes to fluster you, or get you to lose your game.

I'm a feminist.
I'm in an LGBT organization
I got raped
I'm on meds
I have HPV, AIDS,
I'm a single Mom
I just got out of a relationship
My boyfriend is in the Mafia
I'm a pegger

^^Notice how all of their excuses are not about, I'M not fucking you because I don't find you attractive...but here's an obstacle meant to distract your logical mind.

They know our weaknesses. Attract with the visuals, defend with the logic.

But we know their weaknesses.

Usually the only thing that really stops you from fucking most chicks is your words. These bitches will believe ANYTHING. Give her enough "evidence" to get shit popping, and you can bang her on any manner of pretense.

A cauldron of estrogen roiling deep within her soul, looking for the guy to stir the pot. Even though it's steaming and sputtering hot liquid, it's still in container and there to be consumed and enjoyed.

A bitch that actually doesn't want to fuck you either
1) tells you straight up (this happens when they're drunk)
2) leaves your physical proximity

When you see the Punjabi squad at the White Club, you'll see Caitlin, Becky and Heather get up and leave to get away from Amit and Rahun. My Bengali and Guajrathi peeps have terrible game but great determination. So the white chicks bounce or curse them out.

Meanwhile, Jason, Chet and Lance walk away cause the conversation doesn't hit the right note in the first 150 seconds.

And you ain't in either camp.

You're here.

You believe in the red pill
That sex is a biological need.
That both sexes have developed strategies to get what they want, but those basic strategies can be exploited.

Either you get good at talking to chicks, or you build up your passive game to such an extent that you just screen out the non-compliant - it's all the same. You focus on her weaknesses.

The same way that she focuses on yours.

Hillary Clinton is still taking dick from the Bill, "Blue Pill in the Streets but Red Pill in the Sheets" Clinton.

If that don't convince you that it's all just talk, nothing will.

Now arguably there is feminist competition in other areas of your life,

But SEX is not one of them.

WIA

[AneroidOcean]

(07-10-2014 06:16 PM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  

"A bunch of gold advice"

If that don't convince you that it's all just talk, nothing will.

Now arguably there is feminist competition in other areas of your life,

But SEX is not one of them.

WIA

For some reason your post reminded me of a high point in my gaming history that I hadn't thought about in ages. I went to a bar with my buddy (who is no slouch picking up women) to grab some food and a beer. I happen to overhear a conversation at a table behind me where I catch a comment about someone that is my same look and it sounded like a possibly positive comment. It was so hard to makeout I almost thought I was imagining things. I don't know if they're actually talking about me or not, but I steal a glance and see that there's a bull-dyke looking chick, some dude, and then a gorgeous blonde in a white dress sitting at the table behind the bar where I'm sitting.

At this point I'm thinking for sure that the bull-dyke is going to cockblock me and that almost certainly the guy in the middle is with the blonde (he was good looking, decently built, and tall), but FUCK IT.

I grab my beer bottle, turn around in my seat, take a couple steps, grab the empty chair at the table, set my beer down as I sit down and asked them what they were saying when they were talking about me with a smirk/grin on my face. The blonde instantly turned her head away/down, the bull-dyke engaged me, and I prepared to get blown the fuck out steps away from my player friend.

The bull-dyke ended up shit-testing me for her friend, but turned out to be completely on my side, especially with my awesome approach. The guy ended up being a friend/coworker of one of them and was semi-friendly to me. Later on he said his goodbyes and took care of their entire bill (food/drinks). Turns out the bull-dyke was a cop and a feminist. I ignored the feminist part for the most part and she approved of me for her friend the blonde. The blonde was totally not believing that I was into her and was embarrassed but you could see also very interested.

In the end I walked them to their car (the bull-dykes) and I made out passionately in the back of her car with the blonde. Then I told the bull-dyke to pull up in front of my place to drop me off. The bull-dyke all but shoved her friend out to spend the night with me.

I owe that bull-dyke feminist a fucking pitcher of beer. God that blonde was hot. Didn't work out long term with the blonde, but that is a night I will never forget. The doe eyes on that blonde...almost makes me hard just thinking about it.

[Caveman]

(07-10-2014 02:11 PM)AnonymousBosch Wrote:  

Dupe

Please link to the dupe if you can, coz I didn't find anything similar before I posted (probably because there are 1000 threads on feminism).

[Caveman]

(07-10-2014 05:09 PM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  

Another male fantasy, using her feminism against her.

Like you can logic your way into the pussy.

WIA

I think I made it clear, it's not meant to be a substitute for good game, it's role is merely to fill in a little blabber you should be doing anyways when encountering LMR (by challenging her to prove herself), it's not meant to be presented as a proper logical argument, and all it should achieve is tip her over if she already is on the fence, otherwise don't expect any miracles from it.

I've successfully used something similar to nail a couple rather prudish girls in the past (although it took me multiple nights each time), who later admitted to me that when they got with me they initially planned to have me only as a make-out boyfriend figure (without sex), I suspect they were previously burned by being pumped and dumped, but I pressed hard for it and made it clear to them that our nights with no sex mean to me they're defective in some way.

So the goal is more to use it as some sort of a shaming tactic than a real logic argument.

[Caveman]

@WIA you wrote a long post above, but it's all generic game advice, heard it all before many times already.

How about you suggest a specific advice for the Roosh's situation described in his article above?

Granted just about anything would be better than blurting "But your mouth is not bleeding"...

[Basil Ransom]

I either gently mock feminism or stay quiet. I never affirm it. Most girls walk away suspecting I'm anti-feminist, but it's trumped by the fact that they think I'm funny and ballsy. They honestly don't care all that much. As long as you don't fixate on it in a weird, uncool way, it's not a big deal. I prefer to be honest about who I am - not to do right by the girls so much as experience has shown that cowardice doesn't pay.

This works in LA usually, but I could see this failing in San Francisco where many of the girls are unbearably self-righteous and liberal.

[Beirut]

^^ I agree.

Not that I have that much experience dealing with feminists, but the few I have hit on, ive went with being anti-feminist in a totally clownish way, which makes her confused whether you really are or are being sarcastic against antifeminism.

Shed say stuff and I would answer with "back in my days id have clubbed you and took you to my cave". And id just keep up with that the entire time. Don't get suckered into a serious discussion. Itd feel beta to agree with her, and itd be incredibly annoying to argue with her (almost as annoying as religion debates).

I just block out what shes saying and throw my "funny" lines whenever she shuts up.

[RockHard]

(07-10-2014 06:16 PM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  

There's nothing special about banging a feminist or a Republican. The game is the same.

I think this is the TL;DR

Quote:

But we know their weaknesses.

Maybe I don't. I know that I have a very bad habit of trying to achieve comfort and don't test her enough. Possibly the feminist chicks I've banged had already decided to bang me and my reaction to their convo was neutral.

I'm all in on the premise that her primary weakness is that she needs dick, and a man attached to it, responding to her questions logically is a non-starter, and reacting negatively to her provocation is about as good a guarantee you won't get laid as you get. I still feel like agree & amplify works, or is that the last core of the blue pill hanging around?

WIA, it sounds like you're saying all this is just a shit test, and like any shit test you dismiss it.

(07-11-2014 01:17 AM)Caveman Wrote:  

@WIA you wrote a long post above, but it's all generic game advice, heard it all before many times already.

How about you suggest a specific advice for the Roosh's situation described in his article above?

Granted just about anything would be better than blurting "But your mouth is not bleeding"...

I'd love to hear WIA's breakdown as well, though I think the thing was lost before that moment.

I think Roosh's takeaway was that he shouldn't have wasted his time on the girl, because he writes it off to thirst, as in, if he were in EE he wouldn't have to put up with this shit.

[WestIndianArchie]

(07-11-2014 01:17 AM)Caveman Wrote:  

@WIA you wrote a long post above, but it's all generic game advice, heard it all before many times already.

How about you suggest a specific advice for the Roosh's situation described in his article above?

Granted just about anything would be better than blurting "But your mouth is not bleeding"...

Feminism had NOTHING to do with the situation.
Thus your basis for this post doesn't exist.

I do not know why you people are so obsessed with Gloria Steinem and Co.

What could Roosh have done?

Maybe you don't understand his post in the first place.

It was about thirst. He was so thirsty for vagina, she was so used to men's thirst that it created a player armageddon situation.

He leaves Poosy Paradise for a confirmed hell on earth. (thirst goes up)

He goes for the best chick in the place, but she's not really that hot. (ignores his game)

She's cunty from the start, but he maneuvers around it. (Thirst pushes him past)

From there he gets her home, warms her up, looks like it's on, and then she freezes up. He goes Caveman (thirst), and she bounces.

Game Advice here is to use the standard LMR tactics (2 steps forward, 1 step back, until you drive her crazy with desire), but Roosh has been around the block a few times. If you've played this game, you know it can take HOURS to break a chick.

Roosh weighed his options, and unconsciously went for a Hail Mary.

Gamble didn't work, she bounced, he slept.

The standard game advice ALWAYS APPLIES.

At no point would addressing Roe v. Wade or the ERA have been to his advantage. Bitch was bleeding and emotional (rightly so, I might add) so moving forward on uncertain ground like that requires much more than Roosh was willing to give for a One Night stand.

If he liked her more, if she was a better prospect

- he could have poured on the comfort - the snuggle would have turned back to kisses, massages, and you can do a whole lot of work over the top of a chick's clothing.

- he could have waited for day 2, or at least the morning

But she wasn't.

Either you get the game, or you don't.

Focusing on some masturbatory political issue, acting like you can out-think a girl, who you've already deemed illogical is some shit only a guy would do.

"She's irrational, so I'm going to use logic." - Manosphere "player"

Da Fuck?

WIA

[soup]

Agreed with WIA don't get into political convo with her.. I say avoid letting her frame anything. Change the subject and talk about something else that she doesn't feel angrily impassioned about.

[MaxRitter]

If I would be living in the US I would just move to a european country that hasnt quite become so anti male - for example Germany, Italy, Spain and such. I live in Germany myself, we have a high population of attractive women here but most of them are selfish beasts. I have a good girlfriend from overseas that satisfies all of my sexualy needs. besides that I bang german chicks on the side. they are good for sex, most of them, not good for marriage. I dont mess with the few decent german women I know but I do like to screw over some feminist bullshit types. later when they call me I tel them to fuck off and everytime they dare to critisize me I call them on all of their bullshit feminist thinking. it feels good to put down a nasty little slut and tell her everything you think about her when the laws in your country are not that daconic and when you have a beautifull and submissive girlfriend waiting at home. I use feminist bithes for my sexual satisfaction but I do humiliate them. no hitting obviously that would be illegal but sometimes you can hurt with words more. let them feel like worthless shit used and abandoned and hopefully they ll learn smth.

[aphelion]

It seems pretty dangerous to bang a feminist. I don't think I'd make a strong push for it, and I'd definitely screencap texts if not record the bang outright.