[reaper23]

something to add to the great lists above:

when your lifestyle has gotten to such a point that the highest quality women seem to find you and you have the game to close the deal without a problem.

[runsonmagic]

The way I use those terms:

Beginner - can't get laid.

At best, "gets lucky" and falls into an LTR once a year.

Intermediate - can get laid consistently.

Has a good sex life. Doesn't always pull or get 10s, but gets women and can run game.

Expert - integrated lifestyle.

Game isn't a hobby, but a lifestyle. Think someone like KrillWasHere, or Owen Cook.

For the record, I'd consider myself an intermediate. If you were to burn my social circle to the group, it'd be two weeks tops before I was seeing new girls.

My notch count is under 100 but over 50. I'd have to write them all down for an exact number. I'll make a thread when I break 100 and we can throw a party.

[MikeCF]

When you stop caring, not because of sour grapes, but because you've been there, done that.

You can tell who the vets are by who's pushing the boundaries and coming up with new shit that no one else is doing.

That's because they know they can run "normal" game and it's boring, so they push boundaries as they had an abundance mindset and don't care if any given girl doesn't respond.

When you have that abundance mindset of a vet, you experiment and game is just...well, it really is just a game to you.

It's almost sociopathic, as it's just moves on a chess board with people.

[soup]

I like Tyler's definition.

I think Mikecf is describing what it's like to be a master.

[Deluge]

In the "pickup artist" context:

Beginners don't get pull new girls regularly, and if they do only with mediocre girls.

Intermediate's pull new girls regularly but not as often as they'd ideally like, and aren't regularly pulling the turbo hotties.

Veteran's bang new girls so often that regular people would not believe them if they told them, and regularly pull top-shelf quality.

God mode is Dan Bilzerian.

[Parlay44]

It's all about how quickly or easily you recover from break ups or rejections. You have to be able to flip back and forth between cold heartless pussy pounding player and hearts and flowers pussy whipped boyfriend. There's a time and a place for everything. That's how you know you're a veteran.

[Thesoloist]

(06-18-2014 07:34 AM)Deluge Wrote:  

In the "pickup artist" context:

Beginners don't get pull new girls regularly, and if they do only with mediocre girls.

Intermediate's pull new girls regularly but not as often as they'd ideally like, and aren't regularly pulling the turbo hotties.

Veteran's bang new girls so often that regular people would not believe them if they told them, and regularly pull top-shelf quality.

God mode is Dan Bilzerian.

Don't get me wrong I love "Blitz" but it's no secret that some of those girls are paid models/strippers that really isn't game if your tricking off

[Deluge]

(06-18-2014 08:52 AM)Thesoloist Wrote:  

Don't get me wrong I love "Blitz" but it's no secret that some of those girls are paid models/strippers that really isn't game if your tricking off

Yup. I was just being lighthearted.

[MY DETROIT PLAYAS]

Beginner - shaken and crestfallen when he loses a chick, starts to doubt/deny game

Intermediate - Slightly hurt when a chick leaves, bounces back

Veteran - sly grin, picks up the phone and dials

[Comte De St. Germain]

Christian's guideline in my opinion are solid, but I think the main questions results over people who prefer quality or quantity. In all honesty some players just want to bang a crap ton of chicks while others don't want to bang so many but instead focus on the quality of the girl. What do you guys think about the differences in level of player with those two different thought processes factored in?

[reaper23]

I'd echo what mike said, when the stories of your day to day life seem made up to most to people. hard to believe.

and also, when you know that just around the corner of life is another hot amazing woman to satisfy your urges.

when there are too many quality women to fuck than you have time with and they wither and die on the vine...after several months of hanging on...

[Samseau]

Quote:

It's not too hard to be in the top 20% of men (what I'd consider to be veteran) because most men are awful with women.

This is a typo on my part. Should be 10% not 20%.

[Goldmund]

(06-17-2014 05:08 PM)soup Wrote:  

Goldmund, how many new girls did you fuck last year?

I think that if you can bang one 9 every couple monthes that's more powerful than baging 5-6s every other night.

That said, there are guys I know who go out and are banging 6-8.5s and don't care about quality.. They just get laid as a lifestyle thing; game is just what they do. It's not a hobby or a job.. They just go out every night and I don't even know how they support themselves. But they understand how everything in the game works.. The can see the matrix.

Was on a bit of game hiatus for last year. Had a relationship with a 9 for about 8 months. Was pretty great actually, learned a lot about myself and what it is like to have a strong emotional bond with someone.

Before that I was banging between 40-75 girls per year since I learned game in 2010.

Since the LTR, my game has become even more powerful and I have a little harem now to keep me busy...but I can still pull regularly (about 35% of the time for ONS if I am really trying)

20 lays since i broke my LTR in February of this year...including my harem girls.

I care very very much about quality, won't touch a girl below a 7. The last time I fucked a girl below that I was in a foreign country and wanted a local flag. But I don't think it was even worth it...my dick got soft half way through.

I need beauty, and my game is 10x better when I am very attracted to the girl: quoting a recent wing of mine and fellow rvf member "you are direct to the point of being pornographic"

Next month I will be a completely free man, traveling through Mexico alone...we'll see how that goes.

[___]

Good points all around, however I believe "veteran" is sort of the wrong word choice in a game context.

I actually look at vet as more of what Roosh calls an "Innovative Casanova" - someone dealing with chicks/life on expert mode.

Everything is else pretty simple from that point...

Beginner: low notch count (can clearly remember every broad), hit or miss reading women, falls into a female frame on a regular basis - basically average guy

Intermediate: respectable notch count (lost track of #/names), can see "the matrix" and able to read women and men in multiple contexts, a few ltrs mixed in w/ periods of plate spinning and short dry spells, has occasional bangs while traveling, focus of life is himself - chicks come and go. Part-time Playboy.

Expert or "Innovative Casanova": high quality women are everywhere and easily accessible - life is firing on all cylinders (you can easily figure out the cats who live this life for real - a few are on this forum). Strong global connections - International Playboy.

I see myself at Intermediate level...wouldn't consider myself a "vet" even though I'm in my 30s and have been running game since the 90s.

[simondice]

Here's a more thought-provoking question. How much time practicing game to get to veteran level.