[conservative]

She is bad at lying. (Like most girls really).

In my country this thing is kinda prevalent. But here is the catch:

1. 18-25 are her gold years. After that if she has no job-career-money she is basically fucked.

2. Her ability to get more money is not related to her beauty but rather to her social skills of extracting wealth from you.

3. It's very risky. Flying to Dubai, or Panama? What if you never get back?

4. It can destroy her life. i.e. The guy just published her cam photos on fb or on the internet.

5. If she is not living in a rather big city, she'll get a nice reputation that will make her a future whore (even if she doesn't become one).

It seems to me like a fair trade-off especially considering the risk. And it seems like many girls really don't estimate or care about the risk they are taking.

[RockHard]

(06-16-2014 12:20 AM)Alpha_Romeo Wrote:  

(06-15-2014 10:52 PM)Coldfire Wrote:  

I don't understand why they would spend that much money at all there are easier ways to get sex.

You're thinking like a self-made millionaire. When people spend recklessly, more often than not it's not their own money that they're spending.

Or a guy who just has an insane amount of money. Used to be said that if Bill Gates saw a $100 bill lying on the ground, it wouldn't be worth his time to bend over and pick it up, because he made hundreds of dollars every second. These guys live in an entirely different world.

If you've got a billion in the bank, making 5% in interest, dividends, and capital gains annually, you're making $50,000,000 annually just for being rich. $120 grand for a girlfriend? Why not?

Look at the Walton grandchildren, or the Rockefeller descendants. If you're looking at "the 1%" of the US, that's 3,000,000 people. Being in the 1% isn't necessarily "insanely rich", I read it takes a net worth of about $9 million to be in that bracket. The 1% of the 1% would be 30,000 people which if you assume half are men, that's still 15,000 dudes out there with enough cash to afford to buy time with the 1% of women.

If your time is so valuable that you'd turn up your nose at $100, why would you invest your time in figuring out the bullshit involved with gaming women?

[conservative]

@RockHard

I've been thinking about it. Do you think rich guys (at least self-made ones) don't know about game? I really doubt it. I'm talking here about $100m++ rich (not the usual doctor, lawyer... guy).

Someone who made himself to $100m or more is probably not your typical guy. He probably has a strong/special personality and wide experience that can turbo-charge his game if he wants to.

But think about it. You came to the club. There is a 9 sitting there. The waiter tells you: You can get her laid by talking to her for like 5 minutes. Or. You can pay $0.02 and get laid NOW.

Rich people probably play a different set of game. But for a casual lay (most of the time) they'll just pay the two cents.

[DarkTriad]

(06-15-2014 12:09 PM)Vicious Wrote:  

$25k/month = $300k a year. If that CEO made $3M/year (making him a Forbes 100 CEO) that would still be 10% of his income he'd give on sugaring. Thus, she's likely bullshitting the numbers, if the situation is true at all.

She's bullshitting you, or he's bullshitting her. It's a lot easier to promise the world to a whorish girl than to deliver it.

[xxMarco]

I see this happen a lot where I live. Especially where I work. I see a lot of cocktail waitresses, servers, bartenders, even just plain janes get treated like their pussy is gold.
I used to date a girl whose roommate was a waitress. She was hanging out with the president of a large hotel chain. He would fly her out to different parts of the country and buy her extremely lavish gifts. VIP treatment everywhere she went.
Last month I started gaming this girl at one of the pools. Found out she is a "cam girl". We ended up hanging out for a while. Then she said she had this meeting with a client.... Turns out she gets flown out here 2 times a month or on special holidays to bang out this guy. I'm not sure how much shes being paid, I didn't ask.

I think its driving the price of pussy way up around these parts.

[samsamsam]

This weird looking chick got a couple million out of that old fart. You can say I am full of crap for thinking she is ugly, but I do, I think she is a freak and but she got paid.

And of course, bat shit crazy.

[horn]

(06-15-2014 12:09 PM)Vicious Wrote:  

$25k/month = $300k a year. If that CEO made $3M/year (making him a Forbes 100 CEO) that would still be 10% of his income he'd give on sugaring. Thus, she's likely bullshitting the numbers, if the situation is true at all.

It seems like you may be confusing income with wealth. A guy who's been CEO for, say, 20 years or anywhere in the C-suite is worth enough that 300k is ~nothing to him.

The interest on his plane costs more than that.

Of course, she may also be bullshitting. But from what I've heard/seen in NYC and other large cities, this doesn't surprise me at all. There are two insanely hot sisters I know who get flown around the world and charge $20k for their 'time'. They keep pretty busy.

[NewView]

(06-16-2014 04:07 AM)germanico Wrote:  

"She turned down all offers" :v

Yes, there are a lot of desperate men that would wilingly pay $900 to look at a screen for 15 minutes.

But... a woman claiming she gets a lor of offers is like a feminist saying she is "raped" because some man stares at her on the subway: it all happened only in her fucking mind.

You know who get a lot of offers to strip? Strippers. Regular, dime a dozen women wont get offers to strip because thre are hotter women, and hotter women dont get offers like that because a guy willing to pay $900 for a webcam show wont have the balls to ask.

Veredict: bullshit.

she said it was a lesbian thing, gay for pay. Again, i'm just relaying what she told me, she may be exaggerating for effect, but why lie about her friend doing cam shows?

[Hotwheels]

(06-16-2014 08:26 PM)horn Wrote:  

Of course, she may also be bullshitting. But from what I've heard/seen in NYC and other large cities, this doesn't surprise me at all. There are two insanely hot sisters I know who get flown around the world and charge $20k for their 'time'. They keep pretty busy.

Those are not sugar babies.

They are high end hookers.

Sugar babies don't "charge" for their time.

[Vicious]

horn, no that's the very definition of income. Sure a whales can still have way more worth but that was beside the point. The point I'm making is that if every girl claiming she's getting this kind of money actually did there wouldn't be enough high earning whales to go around.

Also, per hotwheels point one must separate sugarbabies on the payroll from straight up high-end hookers that get a per diem for showing up at one particular time.

[Saweeep]

My experience suggests the following:

1) A lot of these girls are prepared to actually be escorts; they just don't want to use the term. SB is just a fluffier, more hamster acceptable term for them to internalise.

2) With many, it's actually more about spending time with older, richer men, more than money.

3) With a strong frame, just running SA Game on them gets you the pussy with very little investment.

I love these girls.

[thegiant]

Whats SA Game?

[Blue Streak]

(06-18-2014 11:42 AM)thegiant Wrote:  

Whats SA Game?

Seeking Arrangement game.

[zerocool]

You don't pay a hooker for sex, you pay her to leave.

[horn]

(06-18-2014 01:53 AM)Hotwheels Wrote:  

(06-16-2014 08:26 PM)horn Wrote:  

Of course, she may also be bullshitting. But from what I've heard/seen in NYC and other large cities, this doesn't surprise me at all. There are two insanely hot sisters I know who get flown around the world and charge $20k for their 'time'. They keep pretty busy.

Those are not sugar babies.

They are high end hookers.

Sugar babies don't "charge" for their time.

fair, I wasn't making that distinction, but I see your point.

[scorpion]

I agree that this is more common than most guys would suspect. Even if they aren't doing it officially, pretty much every 8+ girl in a decent-sized city will have the opportunity to fuck a guy for money at some point. Whether that's just fucking a rich dude occasionally in exchange for partying on his yacht, fucking her boss to advance her career, or fucking an older guy who just so happens to constantly shower her with gifts and money (just because he likes her a lot, of course).

The opportunity is there, and the hamster ensures that a lot of girls won't even admit to themselves what they're doing. She's not fucking the rich older guy because he's throwing her $2k a month in cash and gifts, she's fucking him because he's "nice" and she "feels sorry for him".

[Hotwheels]

^^^^ A lot of girls won't consider being a "sugar baby" yet do just as Scorpion describes above.

The hamster rolls on.

What really surprises me is some of the girls that claim to have been sugar babies, yet really are not all that physically attractive. I never bothered to ask how old their SD's were, rather just assumed that they were older.

There are plenty of guys with cash while lacking game or the balls to go after the high end talent, so there is always that as well.

[Foolsgo1d]

Just to add my opinion to the subject of sugar babies, web cam girls and the like.

For a man with game this can have increasing repercussions on the quality and abundance of tail he can pull. When the most ratchet of women can earn upwards of £100 per cam show (15 mins) at the most basic level you can be rest assured the amount of women will increase in the business.

Now SA game is good when used on women who are not clued up but they learn fast unless it was a one-off and they quickly realise they dont want to be whoring themselves out.

Those who do find the lifestyle appealing will learn to keep their legs closed behind pay walls and no matter how much game you may pull, without a bit of fame in the mix and cash you're going to put way too much effort into her.

Having talked to these kinds of women and observed their behaviour I dont know why men would bother even talking with them.

[jamaicabound]

First off I think shes full of shit or at least exaggerating. With that kinds money you could have a pro on standby whos gorgeous discreet and clean vs just some whore off the street whos probably not as careful std wise in her own activities nor who is as fiscrete or professional.

I would also caution any women who is propositioned like this is a whore almost 99% certainty. Granted maybe some rich guy propositions some innocent girl off the street but majority of the time of a girl is gonna be made an offer like this shes put herself in a position to be and has given a vibe shes a whore.

[horn]

(06-30-2014 10:00 PM)scorpion Wrote:  

I agree that this is more common than most guys would suspect....
The opportunity is there, and the hamster ensures that a lot of girls won't even admit to themselves what they're doing. She's not fucking the rich older guy because he's throwing her $2k a month in cash and gifts, she's fucking him because

or because he is good-looking and she wants to fuck him, and he has money to spend unlike frat boys and can take her out for sushi and buy her expensive lingerie, trips to the Caribbean, designer heels, etc [but no cash]

It doesn't have to be an either/or situation. Chicks dig older guys. I see it every day.

Whether or not there is a difference btw the above, and whoredom I am unsure.

[jamaicabound]

(07-01-2014 10:15 PM)horn Wrote:  

(06-30-2014 10:00 PM)scorpion Wrote:  

I agree that this is more common than most guys would suspect....
The opportunity is there, and the hamster ensures that a lot of girls won't even admit to themselves what they're doing. She's not fucking the rich older guy because he's throwing her $2k a month in cash and gifts, she's fucking him because

or because he is good-looking and she wants to fuck him, and he has money to spend unlike frat boys and can take her out for sushi and buy her expensive lingerie, trips to the Caribbean, designer heels, etc [but no cash]

It doesn't have to be an either/or situation. Chicks dig older guys. I see it every day.

Whether or not there is a difference btw the above, and whoredom I am unsure.

This brings up an interesting point. Is there a difference between cash and trips and stuff? You can't put a trip in the bank but you can put cash in the bank. In my mind cash is much more transactional, if you consider things every gf and wife out there is a whore.

[Thesoloist]

(06-15-2014 03:20 PM)kaloha Wrote:  

A solid 8 on OKC, yeah right...

It's threads by the OP as these why I don't go thru forums. This post hs b.s. written all over it

[jamaicabound]

I used to mess with this hooters waitress who had some 50 something golf pro comming in to visit her all the time. Would leave 100 dollar tips for her all the time. I think bought her a car as well. Nothing too over the top but like a couple year old grandam still more than id ever drop on a chick. Claimed she wasnt fucking him but i doubt it.

[Hotwheels]

(07-01-2014 11:22 PM)jamaicabound Wrote:  

(07-01-2014 10:15 PM)horn Wrote:  

(06-30-2014 10:00 PM)scorpion Wrote:  

I agree that this is more common than most guys would suspect....
The opportunity is there, and the hamster ensures that a lot of girls won't even admit to themselves what they're doing. She's not fucking the rich older guy because he's throwing her $2k a month in cash and gifts, she's fucking him because

or because he is good-looking and she wants to fuck him, and he has money to spend unlike frat boys and can take her out for sushi and buy her expensive lingerie, trips to the Caribbean, designer heels, etc [but no cash]

It doesn't have to be an either/or situation. Chicks dig older guys. I see it every day.

Whether or not there is a difference btw the above, and whoredom I am unsure.

This brings up an interesting point. Is there a difference between cash and trips and stuff? You can't put a trip in the bank but you can put cash in the bank. In my mind cash is much more transactional, if you consider things every gf and wife out there is a whore.

When the girl I am seeing is less than 25 most would probably call her a sugar baby. When she is close to my age she is my girlfriend in those same people's eyes.

I treat them both the same.

I don't care about what others perception may be.

[Giovonny]

A "sugar baby" can not exist without a "sugar daddy".

A "sugar baby" only gets money because a man gives it to her.

So, the answer to this question is the same as the answer to the following question:

How often do men offer money to girls?

It's literally the same question as "How prevalent do you think "sugar babies/cam girls" are?

One can not exist without the other..

Men give money to women all the time. Women happily take that money..

And, because of that, sugar babies and cam girls are VERY prevalent!