I went out on a date tonight with an OKC girl, solid 8, blondest hair imaginable, very nice body. Quite attractive but you could find a thousand of her in any large city. She told me she had been offered $25k/ month to fly to another city twice a week for sex, $10k for private nudes that some rich fuck wanted to himself, a CEO showered her with diamonds and expensive gift cards, her friend was a "working" sugar baby and her friend's friend made $900 per 15 minute cam show. (she told me she turned down all her offers)

Since she had an attractiveness that was attainable fairly easily on any university campus, it got me wondering a) how many women walking around are taking advantage of this revenue stream and b) how many rich losers are driving up market value in this manner. Any input?

I hooked up with a hot brunette once who had tonnes of spare cash, loads of expensive gadgets and clothes despite working in a coffee shop. She fucked and sucked nearly too well. Could never quite figure out whers the money came from. She had a new facebook and no real backstory (moved cities every 6-12 months)

Now she is in an LTR with a weathly guy who owns a few businesses. We were hooking up a couple of months into that relationship unbeknownst to me till later. As far as girls Ive meet she had the best 'game' Ive ever seen. Bi as well.

She was shit testing you by demonstrating value.

any woman can get money for her pussy/body, it doesn't make her exceptional.

I've think most attractive girls have gone through one point of their life where they've gone through that phase of essentially trading sex for money, although not as drastic as prostitution or webcamming, just dating & fucking wealthy guys to experience that lifestyle.

2 of the most attractive girls I know are sugar babies for a well-known billionaire. Probably the most attractive girls I've seen IRL. Found out a couple months ago, that solved all my pedestalization issues. Mind you, both girls come from fairly well off families and don't need to do this because they're broke.

I know a few other attractive girls who're into it too. $2000 - $3000 for sex 3-4 nights a month. More common in Universities within cities.

Moral: Any woman will sleep with you for the right price.

Reminds me of this story:

The lawyer asked the woman "Would you sleep with me for a million dollars?" The woman says "Yes I would."
The lawyer asks "What about $5" The woman retorts with shock "What do you you think I am?"
The lawyer replies "Ma'am we have established what you are. We're just haggling the price"

Ok, say she was shit testing me, in that situation how best to respond? When she said she didn't even do the nude pics thing I said something like "damn, you have terrible business sense". She said she didn't do the 25k/ month thing because it was almost like being an escort; I said, "it's not almost being an escort, it *is* being an escort..."

And I think that quote about haggling over price is from Churchill...

$25k/month = $300k a year. If that CEO made $3M/year (making him a Forbes 100 CEO) that would still be 10% of his income he'd give on sugaring. Thus, she's likely bullshitting the numbers, if the situation is true at all.

Quote: (06-15-2014 01:18 AM)NewView Wrote:  

I went out on a date tonight with an OKC girl, solid 8, blondest hair imaginable, very nice body. Quite attractive but you could find a thousand of her in any large city. She told me she had been offered $25k/ month to fly to another city twice a week for sex, $10k for private nudes that some rich fuck wanted to himself, a CEO showered her with diamonds and expensive gift cards, her friend was a "working" sugar baby and her friend's friend made $900 per 15 minute cam show. (she told me she turned down all her offers)

Since she had an attractiveness that was attainable fairly easily on any university campus, it got me wondering a) how many women walking around are taking advantage of this revenue stream and b) how many rich losers are driving up market value in this manner. Any input?

You have a drama queen/attention whore. Did she also say she might give up men for women? That usually comes next.

Some of what she says might be true, but I find it hard to believe someone offered 10K for nudes of any woman who isn't famous. Most women will take their clothes off for nothing before you sleep with them; the rest will do it after you sleep with them. As the others have said, she's trying to demonstrate value. That = insecurity which means you probably have to be a drama-prone abusive a-hole to keep her interested if you want long-term. Good luck with that as a full-time job.

Also, nudity in women has little value today in terms of dollars. Years ago, you needed to pay for a Playboy, and for $8 you got around twenty nude pics. Today, you can click on XHamster alone and there are more "amateur" nudes than you'll ever be able to view.

Finally, I know someone who does "cam shows" and from what I gather, doesn't make nearly that much money. Again, you can get this stuff on dozens of sites, and/or Pirate Bay. Hell, someone even copies each day's Naked News and posts it at Pirate Bay. Who pays for nudity anymore?!

Quote: (06-15-2014 12:23 PM)Days of Broken Arrows Wrote:  

Hell, someone even copies each day's Naked News and posts it at Pirate Bay. Who pays for nudity anymore?!

Lol, I had never heard of Naked News till you mentioned it and just looked it up. That shit's a trip lol

It wasn't a CEO offering her $25k, but an entrepreneur/ owner. I live in one of the wealthiest areas in North America with a high number of very successful small to large independent companies. I've anecdotally heard of many situations like this in my city-girl I wrote about in another thread said her friend was getting $10k/ month....she mentioned being hit on by women/ couples on OKC, but said she wasn't into it. The nudity thing seemed rather eccentric, so who knows.

So, we demonstrate high value to get a girl interested in us; whether these stories are true or not, if it's meant to be a DHV on her part, is it generally the sane motive for women?

Quote: (06-15-2014 12:38 PM)NewView Wrote:  

It wasn't a CEO offering her $25k, but an entrepreneur/ owner. I live in one of the wealthiest areas in North America with a high number of very successful small to large independent companies. I've anecdotally heard of many situations like this in my city-girl I wrote about in another thread said her friend was getting $10k/ month....she mentioned being hit on by women/ couples on OKC, but said she wasn't into it. The nudity thing seemed rather eccentric, so who knows.

So, we demonstrate high value to get a girl interested in us; whether these stories are true or not, if it's meant to be a DHV on her part, is it generally the sane motive for women?

I never thought I'd do this, but here goes. The (awful) Daily Beast hired porn actress "Aurora Snow" to report on the adult industry. One of her reports was on how the rise of Internet porn put a damper on pay, since everyone can get it for free.

If porn stars aren't making much anymore, I doubt these figures. Porn actresses make around a "$800 to $1,000 for a boy/girl scene," so why would anyone pay $10K when they could have sex with an actual porn star ten times a month (more than twice a week) for that rate or less?

I'm sure this goes on, but I doubt to the degree women say. Women lie about everything from paternity to their weight. I don't believe them about money, either. Especially not after knowing so many stripper types who were supposedly pulling in thousands a night, then were getting evicted from their bad-side-of-town apartments the next week.

A solid 8 on OKC, yeah right...

Quote: (06-15-2014 02:36 PM)Days of Broken Arrows Wrote:  

If porn stars aren't making much anymore, I doubt these figures. Porn actresses make around a "$800 to $1,000 for a boy/girl scene," so why would anyone pay $10K when they could have sex with an actual porn star ten times a month (more than twice a week) for that rate or less?

I'm sure this goes on, but I doubt to the degree women say. Women lie about everything from paternity to their weight. I don't believe them about money, either. Especially not after knowing so many stripper types who were supposedly pulling in thousands a night, then were getting evicted from their bad-side-of-town apartments the next week.

Well, most people don't think like that. To fuck a porn star for $1000 you 1) have to be in LA, 2) have to be vetted by the agency as "legit." Vetting usually includes verifying that you actually have a some sort of content publishing company or are selling the content to someone else to publish it.

Many porn stars do escort on the side and charge a lot more for their services. On top of that, the real money for porn girls comes from doing a dancing tour at clubs.

OTOH, I've heard girls tell me a lot about arrangements they have with wealthy guys. A lot seems to good to be true but you never really know. There are A LOT of very wealthy men out there who dropping $20-50k doesn't really mean a whole lot.

Also, I take the numbers with a grain of salt as these girls aren't exactly accountants adding up the value of gifts they've received to the cent in order to report it to the IRS. They get flown on a vacation and bought some gifts and they backwards rationalize that they're getting a whole lot more than what was actually spent. That, and the men buying things for them greatly exaggerate the prices to impress as well.

The important thing isn't really how much girls are getting paid in their arrangements, but that they DO IT. It's not a good thing or bad thing, it just is. I think almost all attractive girls at one point or another have gone through a phase where they date a wealthier man to experience that sort of lifestyle even if they don't particularly feel attraction to the man.

^Yeah. I remember a sugar baby telling me that her sugar daddy flew her in a private jet to his private Caribbean Island once, along with 15 other chicks. They usually hate the guy, or at least feel some hostility to him (since he indirectly proves that they are whores) but they join and stay because they love the lifestyle.

Come to think of it, a lot of beta guys with an 8-figure net worth would likely get unwittingly sucked into marriages with former sugar babies. I think being a sugar baby is training to be a gold digger.

This also has implications for the lifestyle vs game debate. Not every girl can be won over by lifestyle but every woman can be won over by game. Not every woman will stay because of lifestyle but it sure as hell is good for turning a maybe into a yes and a no into a maybe.

Game is good for building attraction, lifestyle is good for keeping them coming back.

This definitely happens, and in the UK i've seen a few different takes on it. I know at least 10 girls that are regularly flown out to Dubai/Caribbean/Monaco from London by seriously rich guys. Mostly just to be eye candy on arab princes yachts and clubs and nothing more. I've even been on one of these trips (think private jet, 6 star villas, butlers, chauffeurs, VIP treatment for a week) with these girls who had never met the guy paying for the whole thing and saw him only twice in the week as he happened to pass by the club he owned for an hour or two. It's crazy what winning the genetic lottery can do for a girl... even if she doesn't actually literally whore herself out.

At the other end of the scale i know two girls who are now mistresses for billionaires. Both are younger than the guys daughters.

The flown to a Caribbean island thing above made me remember the 18yo I dated last year (I mentioned her in the high partner count thread, Kate Upton lookalike) told me she was flown by a guy to a Costa Rican villa a few times....

As far as why pay that much when porn stars are so cheap, isn't the idea that you're getting someone who isn't a professional, but just has a little arrangement with the charming millionaire? Or so says the male hamster...

I don't understand why they would spend that much money at all there are easier ways to get sex.

Based on how the girl described their interactions going down, it's because they're utterly clueless with women, or they don't have time and they simply can. But just because (or maybe because of) a guy spends so much time/energy/talent becoming wealthy doesn't mean he has the slightest clue in other aspects. But he has the bait so he can at least get his foot in the door to the room we all want to be in.

Maybe bigger question, is this the cost to get into that club? I mean game aside, there has got to be a level of woman (celebrities aside)-like the girls the billionaire or Arab sheiks mentioned above get-that's simply not available to be gamed...?

Quote: (06-15-2014 10:52 PM)Coldfire Wrote:  

I don't understand why they would spend that much money at all there are easier ways to get sex.

You're thinking like a self-made millionaire. When people spend recklessly, more often than not it's not their own money that they're spending.

I suspect it's much more common than anyone who hasn't swallowed the red pill suspects. Even if it's not an outright sugar daddy/baby situation, most women 8 or above have probably benefited financially from their looks in one way or another.

That said, when people speak about the billionaires jetting smokeshows off to the Caribbean, money does not have the same value to them (if you're worth $10 billion dropping $20 or $30K isn't much) and there's a very good chance they are kept busy with their financial affairs. It might come down to: 'I have a couple of hours to spare, I want to fuck a beautiful woman without the hassle of doing anything else.' As we all know there's a difference between busting your nut in a gorgeous woman and looking to wife one up. Shit, if I had several billion dollars I'd probably be the same.

That said, the worst thing anyone of more limited financial means can do is become a sugar daddy or beta provider.

(I also suspect there may be a correlation between whether the money's inherited or self-made through entrepreneurship, with heirs more likely to indulge in the playboy lifestyle. On a related note, I read an article about the Sultan of Brunei who regularly 'recruited' women from all over the wold to join his 'harem', and apparently one of the women wrote a book about the experience: 'Some Girls, My Life in a Harem'. Hamsterism at its finest)

I know a few in my social circle. They're entertainers (dancers, singers etc.). I can't be too sure, but I suspect it due to a few tells:

- They're 20~25, attractive, never seem to have a BF
- Have at least 2 different FBs
- Make fuck all money from their official jobs, but live in very nice apartments, have expensive clothes and travel a lot to top locations around the world
- Don't come from old money
- Hang out in certain circles with celebrities or very wealthy guys, with no obvious familial or social connections to them

Also, recently my mates and I planned to pool together some cash to get our omega friend a bang from a hottie escort to get him out of his years-long funk since he was dumped by his GF. I looked up the local P4P scene for the first time (it's legal here btw) and couldn't believe how many hot HB8+ are in it. I simply do not see that many out & about.

Quote: (06-16-2014 12:20 AM)Alpha_Romeo Wrote:  

Quote: (06-15-2014 10:52 PM)Coldfire Wrote:  

I don't understand why they would spend that much money at all there are easier ways to get sex.

You're thinking like a self-made millionaire. When people spend recklessly, more often than not it's not their own money that they're spending.

Self made is the only way I'll ever have that kind of money

It's the way the world works, older men have money and desire, young women have sex appeal and limited cash. Simply in the USA and Anglosphere the idea of the hot young women doing various types of soft or hard whoring is supposed to be shocking.

In Japan it's paid dates or hostess jobs with implied sex with favored customers, in SEA it's karaoke girl jobs or straight up mistresses of rich guys, etc. In Europe it used to be actresses and ballet dancers who were high class whores, and waitresses who were the low-class ones.

Ad nauseum. Whoring takes many forms, usually hidden beneath a veneer of plausible deniability. And it's not a tiny group of fallen women we are talking here but a very large proportion of the hottest 20%. It's no different in the USA, except for the strict laws, leading to high numbers of strippers and "sugar babies" who have more bargaining power and more plausible deniability than in other countries.

"She turned down all offers" :v

Yes, there are a lot of desperate men that would wilingly pay $900 to look at a screen for 15 minutes.

But... a woman claiming she gets a lor of offers is like a feminist saying she is "raped" because some man stares at her on the subway: it all happened only in her fucking mind.

You know who get a lot of offers to strip? Strippers. Regular, dime a dozen women wont get offers to strip because thre are hotter women, and hotter women dont get offers like that because a guy willing to pay $900 for a webcam show wont have the balls to ask.

Veredict: bullshit.

Quote: (06-15-2014 10:52 PM)Coldfire Wrote:  

I don't understand why they would spend that much money at all there are easier ways to get sex.

Most of these guys are usually very wealthy married betas with kids. Not completely blue-pill but they're still betas nonetheless. They usually have a net worth of above $10 million. They usually don't have time to game and want a companion they can fuck a few times a month.

Considering how much they could lose if they're caught (divorce+alimony), they want someone who has as much to lose as they do if they're caught. That's where sugar babes come in. Usually college girls, sometimes young white-collar professionals who want easy money and a taste of the high-roller lifestyle. They could risk being disowned by their families and not having a career if they're caught so its a good deal all in all. Remember that paying's the only way these gameless old guys would get 18-23 year old pussy.

Also remember how Eliot Spitzer lost his Governorship because he fucked a hooker. When you're paying for pussy, easy = risky.