[L M McCoy]

shit, I didn't read the 3,000 approaches and no lays.

How is that even possible?

[simondice]

Yeah dude, 3000 approaches is a lot. There are the occasional girls who will do most of the work and you just have to play not fuck it up game. Have you tried meditating? I can see you repeating lines like a robot and not letting your true self come out. It allows you to center yourself, focus on the present and forget about everything else, just allowing to show your true natural intent which gets girls wet between their legs.

[JoyStick]

What is your definition of game and what do you consider an approach?

[Truth Teller]

(06-04-2014 07:48 PM)L M McCoy Wrote:  

shit, I didn't read the 3,000 approaches and no lays.

How is that even possible?

You're either not learning from your rejections or you have absolutely no social intelligence.

[JoyStick]

I just read your posts. I don't get it, why aren't you counting the Filipino girl you met online as a lay? The one that isn't a prostitute.

[caracal]

I could be gullible, but I don't think it's a troll past. I confess I didn't read it all.

Anyway, my observations:

1) How many of your approaches have you actually tried to close the deal on? You can do all the approaches you want, but if you don't actually verbalise the goal - "Let's go back to my place" - you will go nowhere.

2) You're overanalysing things. Overanalysing things makes you trip over your words and subsequently, stilted and less natural.

3) Like another poster said, concentrate on something else: making money, honing a craft you love. The greater the monkey on your back, the heavier it becomesw.

4) That you're studying to teach English overseas is good. However, do not become infatuated with the first girl you hook up with.

5) Lift and do weights. It's good for your health, women like a toned guy and it improves your confidence.

6) FFS don't get married yet.

[Distant Light]

Troll or not, dude mentioned that other sad case who off'd himself. I read the whole thing because no way I will overlook someone who is in a similar headspace. YOU need to expand your reality!!!!!

FIRST OF ALL, do you not realize the amazing life you've already had? You...
- Went to montreal to livr
- Roadtrip U.S
- Lived in a forest
- Worked on a farm
- Dabbled in politics
- Went to india
- Went to SEA
- Went to costa rica
- Lived in a tent in florida

I'm reading your post and thinking "this guy was clearly on an adventure" but you fucked up your own experiences obsessing over women in hopes of filling some void. You want loving companionship GET A DOG they will love you unconditionally.

Also in that whole wall of text, not once have you mentioned giving women the opportunity to be sexual with you. Not a single opportunity for her to kiss yiu, flirt, be isolated or play around. ANOTHER MAJOR RED FLAG...

You do cool shit but it doesnt sound like you were doing it for the fun, memorable, enjoyment of it all. You practically are living your life for the sake of hopefully finding a woman to fill your illusionary void. It also comes off very selfish because NOT ONCE did you mention anything from the perspective of GIVING women an experience. All you 're thinking about is "I, I, I".

What I advise...
- Like my good friend travolta mentioned focus on making some money (preferably online)
- Go explore SEA
- You say you did lots of spirtual stuff, read "My Big Toe" by Thomas Campbell (free on google books)
- Stop obsessing over women, calm down, your serious/logical cause n effect mentality is what is killing the vibe. HAVE FUN and bring people into it, show people your world and give women the opportunity to have a sexual experience.

For me reading this type of stuff is MIND BOGGLING because I value being single and being alone. I am very skeptical about which girls I'd allow to have a close bond with me just because not all women have the same level of consciousness.

All this "seeking women for psychological fuffilment" is unhealthy. It clouds the actual experience of actually binge an adventurer who is "high on life" and happens to meet, socialize, and flirt with a woman who has come along.

Just take a step back, do you not realize you have made women to center of your life. They have total control of your emotional state without them even knowing it. As I always say to people, what happens when you get the girl? You can die now because life is complete? Its irrational.

As for friends, have you ever gave people the opportunity to come into your life for the sake of HAVING FUN IN A SHARED EXPERIENCE? You dont have female friends because you were obsessing over TRYING to get women. Women are not mystical THEY WANT TO HAVE FUN in a non-pressured relaxed environment. How the hell will she be able to do that if she feels a hidden agenda of a guy who is acting like he went all in on a high stakes poker game.

Women arent going anywhere your 28, you've had an amazinf journey so far, its just you cant see the good because you childishly and immaturely focused on such a small aspect of life.

Action Plan... (Its sad, you dont even realize how money you are)
1. Go out just having genuine fun of actually being out able to socialize with people (You coulda been born in fucking syria forced to no longer even go to school due to civil war...be grateful, some people over there would trade shoes in a heart beat)

2. Keep interactions short just have some fun socializing

3. The chicks who peak your interest, screen/challenge/test them about yoga. In a way that is congruent to you sort of challenge/encourage/incite them to try some yoga at your place with a few friends. Add that you might cook food after or your favorite smoothie.

4. Give them your number for SOCIAL REASONS, in this case yoga n smoothie/food with friends. (Have them text you their name)

5a. Do this with 10-15 chicks

5b. Pick 8-12 chicks in the night who you are meshing well with. In your own congruent way imply that she is starting to peak your interest and your interested in seeing where things potentially go since she seems like fun...GIVE ALL 8-12 CHICKS IN THAT NIGHT A KISS...If you kiss, find out logistics and tell her straight up that you might be willing for HER TO TAKE YOU HOME.

6. Look online how to make a smoothie or refreshing light meal (salad, tapas, apps) and practice making it

7. Invite all 10-15 girls to come over for yoga n refreshments after (those are your other friends you said would be coming along)

8. Do it, express your enjoyment and the idea of possibly doing this weekly, bi-weekly, monthly

9. The girls who peak your interest just do step 5b

NOTE, this isnt going to work if your vibe is still of a guy obsessed with wanting female affection. BE a man who is already fuffilled and simply sharinf HIMSELF TO THE WORLD. Bring these women into your life, show them what you'rer about. HAVE FUN LIVING YOUR LIFE!!!!! I can guarantee you 100% if I spoke about living in a tent with 7 brazillians chicks wouldve loved it because I am addicted to fun ans adventure...NOT BECAUSE OF WOMEN...but because i genuinely believe people should make their lives memorable for the sake of their enjoyment. Also I've told many women about the idea of camping which again was a perfect way to exchanfe info.

At the end of the day always ask yourself...
- Did I give women a chance to meet me?
- Did I give women the opportunity to come along into my life?
- Did I provide an opportunity for women to flirt and/or be sexually playful with me?

One more thing, Male and Female sexual dynamics IS NOT SERIOUS AT ALL!!!! It is fun, playful and almost child-like. Look for behind the scenes of porn sets, it is a relaxed atmosphere and most likely someone is being flirtatious and sexually playful. Most community dudes problems stem from not having fun and beinf logical, formal, serious. Just look at the difference between serious pickup companies youtube channels and the prank/troll/pickup channels.

All in all, dont give up on life just because of your lack of companionship, if you change your perspective you will naturaly experience women being drawn to you and sex occuring because your giving women the chance to do so. You will never get laid if you arent giving women the chance to be sexual. Only exception is if your so much fun and enjoying life so much that she is compelled to want you.

Were all on our own journey dont let your mind dissuade you into negativity. You already lived a rather sick life, far more interesting than my own life. Ironically its because of the realms I am apart of BUT for me the most memorable thing is the MOMENTS i've had with other humans. Seeing a guy break up with his girlfriend because he was partying with me and having so much fun, that he realized his gf wasnt a goos person to have in his life. In all honesty, i'd probably trade my ability to attract women just to be able to go on an adventure with my good friend. (travolta) The world is a big place beyond the small petty mindless problems dont let your mind create a dark fantasy where you cant see all the GOOD.

[No Habit]

Distant light, you just saved some lifes...or made a female troll orgasm to all the attention.

[MdWanderer]

Thegreenman, from one Baltimorean 1985 baby to another who has had the same problems in the past (you're basically my Jewish brother lol) you're main problems are:

1. Not escalating (yes it's been mentioned several times by members in this thread but this is by far what's holding you back the most. As some quote I read goes "if all men waited for women to make the first move the human species would cease to exist".) You need this beaten into your head. I could've had a lay count well into double digits by now if I would've pushed more towards sex instead of just a makeout and expecting things to fall from the sky.

2. Putting women on the pedestal. Think of this, these women that are rejecting you are going about their lives, enjoying their friends and families and not giving a shit about you, while you let them hurt you and mess with your mind. If they don't care, neither should you. Focus on a common interest and make the focus towards having fun with BOTH sexes (I talk to guys as much as I am talking to women when I'm out macking). If you're a football fanatic like me, invite some girls (and guys) over to a tailgate to try some of your food and go from there. There are no "special" women because there are no "special" men, they don't think of us in that way. You see women with six figure salaries and world travel behind their belts dating basement bums instead of "nice" guys who have that same travel experience and bank account.

Hope this helps. Realize your life could be much worse. If being rejected by females is the worst thing you got going on right now then your life is pretty damn good.

[Roosh]

Quote:

Things are serious now. I can see myself turning into him eventually, if this problem isn't solved.

Your IP is logged. If you are making a threat against other people or are suggesting that you can kill, I have to forward your details to law enforcement and they can investigate if you are capable of causing harm to the public.

Are you being dramatic or not?

[Roosh]

Quote:

Roosh likes to call people trolls for complaining about their situation and not doing anything to fix it. But I HAVE done stuff to fix it. I've tried everything. I've gone to the ends of the earth.

For a small percentage of men, no amount of "game" or approaches can work, but then again we have no idea what type of game you're using. You would have to hire an expert to diagnose the problem.

If I were you, I'd just go to SE Asia. If you still can't get laid, then resort to prostitutes that give the girlfriend experience. If you are having violent or suicidal thoughts, you must seek professional help. Suicide hotline: 1-800-273-TALK. Your problem (depression) does seem to be beyond the scope of what this forum can offer, but you already received much actionable advice.

[Wayout]

OP- your experience is not unique! I've known several guys with a similar story. I don't think you are a troll or a female.
While reading your story I already knew what the problem is - you don't escalate! Next time you approach try to sexually escalate and get a solid NO from a girl. Don't eject if you didn't get a NO! Most likely you reject yourself before the girl has a chance to reject you. Maybe you are expecting a certain reaction or her making the first move - I don't know. Stick with your plan and escalate. If no go, get her number and mass text later at night for booty call.
Several guys gave you similar advice already and I completely agree with it.

[Saweeep]

Surely nobody is insane enough to write all that for the purpose of trolling??

So what happened at 11.00pm then?

[lowside]

i refuse to believe that if a man gets in the trenches on a path of self-improvement and game for a period of 10 years, he still comes out with nothing.

CrashBangWallop Wrote:

Surely nobody is insane enough to write all that for the purpose of trolling??

So what happened at 11.00pm then?

You just answered your own question: a troll would be insane enough!

edit:
I've been through depression. A mild one, but still. The path of self-improvement is so incredibly broad that we are missing the point here. Self-improvement even incorporates the very basic steps for getting out of depression (excersise, healthy diet, taking action) but first and foremost: if you don’t like where you are, take action. Which in a case of severe depression would mean: seeing a professional who could help.

[Cyclone]

the more fun I had, the more aware I became of the lack of companionship while doing it

This hit me in the feels.
I read the entire thing.. but I'll wait till OP posts again before saying anything. No need to be harsh guys.

Good move Roosh
.

[wandenreich]

OP, Merenguero offered to meet last night. Have you noticed anything wrong with your game yet?

Honestly, with this many people doubting you a simple 5 second video with you stating your username would have suffice. Gio even offered a Skype session.

Interesting story but so far you're still a

[Simeon_Strangelight]

(06-05-2014 10:00 AM)wandenreich Wrote:  

OP, Merenguero offered to meet last night. Have you noticed anything wrong with your game yet?

Honestly, with this many people doubting you a simple 5 second video with you stating your username would have suffice. Gio even offered a Skype session.

Interesting story but so far you're still a

He said that he can post a video here on Saturday. If he is honest he came to the right place to improve his male/female interaction ability.

If he is a troll or worse, then he came to the right place to be banned/reported soon.

Either way we can give someone the benefit of the doubt.

[STLMO]

I skimmed this epic diatribe yesterday, a few thoughts....

Too lengthy and desperate for trolling, this was a life story from a sad person.

You have more than three obvious strikes, you're short, bald, spoiled by your parents, not one mention of starting a weight training regimen, and you're Jewish

Being short can't be fixed.

Your balding, you have to bic your head

Your parents have funded so much of your life, it's impossible to fund all that travel otherwise in your predicament. Ditch them entirely. Chics like men, you're stuck as a child with them in your life. Don't accept shit from your parents any longer.

Start lifting seriously, your shaved head will look silly if you don't. This is mandatory.

Not an anti-Semite, but chics are. I have a good friend who was a Jew, and a self made millionaire by 19. Still couldn't get laid. Personally, I would rather be Asian or Indian. You need to hide this to Gentile women, and start going to synagogue, not for the spiritual advice, but Jewish chics should be easier for a Jewish man. I'm not Catholic, but my drummer is big time. I have started going to mass with him occasionally, and have been positioning myself to exploit his catholic circle of friends. Not many religious types, nowadays. Women who are, are looking for good men. Easily exploitable.

Get back in to yoga, teach class for pay again, start free yoga meetup in a park. Invite your paying students. Younger, poorer chics will follow. Don't neglect your weight training though. Chics want muscles, yoga will not provide the type you need.

Start playing ukulele, then eventually, the guitar. You need something to think about other than your involuntary celibacy. Uke will get you acclimated to a stringed instrument. Then get a classical nylon stringed guitar. Nylon strings, much easier on a beginner's fingers. It will be good for your mind, but if you follow the path far enough, develop some proficiency, there is no greater poosy magnet.

Most importantly, lift some fucking weight, you faggot ass bitch

[eradicator]

(06-05-2014 11:09 AM)STLMO Wrote:  

I skimmed this epic diatribe yesterday, a few thoughts....

Too lengthy and desperate for trolling, this was a life story from a sad person.

You have more than three obvious strikes, you're short, bald, spoiled by your parents, not one mention of starting a weight training regimen, and you're Jewish

Being short can't be fixed.

Your balding, you have to bic your head

Your parents have funded so much of your life, it's impossible to fund all that travel otherwise in your predicament. Ditch them entirely. Chics like men, you're stuck as a child with them in your life. Don't accept shit from your parents any longer.

Start lifting seriously, your shaved head will look silly if you don't. This is mandatory.

Not an anti-Semite, but chics are. I have a good friend who was a Jew, and a self made millionaire by 19. Still couldn't get laid. Personally, I would rather be Asian or Indian. You need to hide this to Gentile women, and start going to synagogue, not for the spiritual advice, but Jewish chics should be easier for a Jewish man. I'm not Catholic, but my drummer is big time. I have started going to mass with him occasionally, and have been positioning myself to exploit his catholic circle of friends. Not many religious types, nowadays. Women who are, are looking for good men. Easily exploitable.

Get back in to yoga, teach class for pay again, start free yoga meetup in a park. Invite your paying students. Younger, poorer chics will follow. Don't neglect your weight training though. Chics want muscles, yoga will not provide the type you need.

Start playing ukulele, then eventually, the guitar. You need something to think about other than your involuntary celibacy. Uke will get you acclimated to a stringed instrument. Then get a classical nylon stringed guitar. Nylon strings, much easier on a beginner's fingers. It will be good for your mind, but if you follow the path far enough, develop some proficiency, there is no greater poosy magnet.

Most importantly, lift some fucking weight, you faggot ass bitch

This is all great. OP also needs to get a good shrink. Not just a psychologist, but a psychiatrist who can prescribe anti depressants. He also needs to makeover his style most likely. Assuming he will have any sort of musical ability is a stretch, but learning guitar could be fun for him.

[RXB]

Three guesses about the OP if he isn't a troll:

1. Morbidly obese.

As Shoe Money once said "when girls see a guy the notice his hair, clothes, and eyes. When girls see a fat guy all they see is fat." There's a difference between being out of shape and obese. If you are obese no amount of game is really going to save you. A 400 lbs. man could spit tight game but he's, in the majority of situations, never going to overcome the fact that he's a whale. It's like how Lindy West could cook you dinner and iron your socks, but she'd still be ugly.

2. Socially retarded.

Doing 3,000 approaches means nothing if you're saying garbage. If you walked up to 3,000 girls and said "will you be my girlfriend?" you'd get nothing. While approaches sound good on paper they mean nothing when done poorly. It's like those girls who are in the gym for three hours a night, but sit on their phone the whole time and don't get any real exercise. I'd rather do 30 good approaches and swoop two or three girls than run 3,000 trash approaches that leave me with a tube sock and bottle of KY.

3. Horrible personal traits.

There's a guy on here who had a thread called "Game works for the facially disabled" it was really inspiring. However, having something that was caused by a birth defect or accident is a lot different than damaging yourself in some way. Not brushing your teeth until they are rotting and green, never bathing, picking your nose, having horrible breath, and hundreds of other issues could easily add up and make you repulsive. These things would only be made worse by either of the other two factors I listed.

Instead of focusing on game so much try and develop a lifestyle. Get to the gym. Learn how to talk to people like a normal person. Develop some hobbies. That kind of stuff will take you a lot farther than what you are doing now.

[Simeon_Strangelight]

(06-05-2014 11:31 AM)eradicator Wrote:  

This is all great. OP also needs to get a good shrink. Not just a psychologist, but a psychiatrist who can prescribe anti depressants. He also needs to makeover his style most likely. Assuming he will have any sort of musical ability is a stretch, but learning guitar could be fun for him.

Aaaargh - antidepressants increase depressive tendencies long-term - they only help short term.

http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articl...fects.aspx
http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articl...sants.aspx
(plenty of links to scientific studies there)

A high-potency multi-vitamin-mineral plus 500-2000mg L-tryptophan works 20x better at improving mood. Also 5000IU vitamin D3 or plenty of sun exposure around noon helps too.

But you can test out both approaches - though psychotropics are highly addictive - even more than heroin after some time.

And most psychiatrists are living within the feminine imperative and can't teach you shit how to really relate to women. It may help to get someone to talk to - a psychologists who mainly listens is enough, but only if you know what you are doing and are on the right path.

[eradicator]

(06-05-2014 11:44 AM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  

(06-05-2014 11:31 AM)eradicator Wrote:  

This is all great. OP also needs to get a good shrink. Not just a psychologist, but a psychiatrist who can prescribe anti depressants. He also needs to makeover his style most likely. Assuming he will have any sort of musical ability is a stretch, but learning guitar could be fun for him.

Aaaargh - antidepressants increase depressive tendencies long-term - they only help short term.

http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articl...fects.aspx
http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articl...sants.aspx
(plenty of links to scientific studies there)

A high-potency multi-vitamin-mineral plus 500-2000mg L-tryptophan works 20x better at improving mood. Also 5000IU vitamin D3 or plenty of sun exposure around noon helps too.

But you can test out both approaches - though psychotropics are highly addictive - even more than heroin after some time.

And most psychiatrists are living within the feminine imperative and can't teach you shit how to really relate to women. It may help to get someone to talk to - a psychologists who mainly listens is enough, but only if you know what you are doing and are on the right path.

I just typed out a response, twice, and the forum went down.

The problem as I see it is that the OP likely has clinical depression that requires medication.

Seeing a cognitive behavior therapist could also help, to keep him on track to take the baby steps needed to actually attain the long term goals. The goal should not be to get laid once. It should be to become a man that women actually want to spend time with.

He will likely benefit from a personal trainer to get into better shape, if he is indeed a 400 pounder. He might benefit from some of the more drastic boot camp classes offered at yoga studios as well.

[MdWanderer]

(06-05-2014 11:09 AM)STLMO Wrote:  

Not an anti-Semite, but chics are. I have a good friend who was a Jew, and a self made millionaire by 19. Still couldn't get laid. Personally, I would rather be Asian or Indian. You need to hide this to Gentile women, and start going to synagogue, not for the spiritual advice, but Jewish chics should be easier for a Jewish man. I'm not Catholic, but my drummer is big time. I have started going to mass with him occasionally, and have been positioning myself to exploit his catholic circle of friends. Not many religious types, nowadays. Women who are, are looking for good men. Easily exploitable.

Another good piece of advice. Many incels I know constantly try to game girls from a different racial group. While that may work for some people you tend to get the best responses from your own.

[Wayout]

Where do you guys get the idea he is a 400 pounder or short or socially awkward? Read his OP! He was a yoga teacher, popular with the crowd at various times of his life, traveled a lot and had awesome adventures...
Where is this hostility coming from? Names calling and racial baiting?
I'd say nothing is wrong with him, maybe lots of bad luck? Let's reserve the judgement for now and wait as he agreed to meet with someone locally. He will even record his interactions with women for us - who else done something like this?

[Christian McQueen]

How Wayout hasn't been banned yet is beyond me.



Every damn post is like a troll post, or sounds like a chick I swear.