[Simeon_Strangelight]

(05-27-2014 08:18 AM)Samseau Wrote:  

Again, the idea that everyone can be alpha makes as much sense as saying everyone can be rich.

Alpha/beta are relative terms just like rich/poor are relative terms. You cannot make a world of alpha males anymore than you can make a Marxist paradise where everyone is rich.

Not everyone can be Alpha of course, but the majority - yes, if they are encouraged to be as masculine as possible - from society, media and schooling. The others can be Red Pill & Game aware - that can be taught. Currently there are countries in the world with significantly higher levels of Alphas than others.

And no - everyone can be rich in a technologically advanced society without money. Simple resource allocation and automated lifestyles can easily give every family on earth a house and a garden or luxurious appartment. But that is a topic for a different thread and needs more elaboration.

And I don't see these terms as relative - Alpha is absolute and so is Beta in regards to a relationship and his general character. The term itself is of course more versatile, since no one is 100% Alpha all the time.

The same goes for rich or poor. If every "poor" person has a house/luxurious appartment, needed utilities and travelling freedom a couple of times a year, then he is rich and content enough - most humans would see it that way except for a few who always like to rule over others. A society without money and super-high technology should be the goal of humanity, but again - off topic.

[Moma]

(05-26-2014 06:07 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

^ Then why is Toronto such a hellhole for men? Game is prolific there, yet the women suck.

Roosh has also written about this as well:
http://www.rooshv.com/15-reasons-why-tor...ca-for-men

Quote:

9. The entrenched PUA culture is raising the egos of all women

I thought that Washington DC had a strong pickup culture, but I hadn’t been to Toronto. PUAs are like rats in Toronto, infecting many venues with their fake high energy, puffed-out chests, loud fashion accessories, and total sobriety. On Thursday night I went to Madison Avenue Pub where I got to see at least 50 of them approach every woman in the bar. As much as I want to hate on them for increasing the girls’ bitch shields, I now understand why they do it: they have to. The best game in Toronto is not being an interesting man but just approaching a million girls with your freezeouts and spin moves and negs until you find the horny girl who wants to fuck.

The more game men learn, the more options women have. Mere game is not the answer.

The majority of Toronto men do NOT have game. Any city that has a high PUA turn out means that the men don't have game in general. Because real men will regulate a lizard that gets out of pocket. In Toronto, women can be rude and make excessive excuses for being unfeminine since they are backed by a majority of captain saveaho members. Same with any other overly feminine cities. Remember, men are the ones who turn the wheels. If you have a crap city with rude fat lizards, the men are at fault. If you have a house with rude, disrespectful children, do you blame the children or the parents?

[kosko]

(05-26-2014 06:08 PM)soup Wrote:  

(05-26-2014 06:07 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

^ Then why is Toronto such a hellhole for men? Game is prolific there, yet the women suck.

Roosh has also written about this as well:
http://www.rooshv.com/15-reasons-why-tor...ca-for-men

Quote:

9. The entrenched PUA culture is raising the egos of all women

I thought that Washington DC had a strong pickup culture, but I hadn’t been to Toronto. PUAs are like rats in Toronto, infecting many venues with their fake high energy, puffed-out chests, loud fashion accessories, and total sobriety. On Thursday night I went to Madison Avenue Pub where I got to see at least 50 of them approach every woman in the bar. As much as I want to hate on them for increasing the girls’ bitch shields, I now understand why they do it: they have to. The best game in Toronto is not being an interesting man but just approaching a million girls with your freezeouts and spin moves and negs until you find the horny girl who wants to fuck.

The more game men learn, the more options women have. Mere game is not the answer.

Is game really prolific there?

It sounds like there are a lot of guys who have terrible game running around in Toronto.

Roosh describes them as rats.. with an air of desperation. That's anti-game.

I'm talking about real, solid players.

Toronto is a wasteland. Like people are sitting here with the laptops musing about how bad it is here. If you want a idea of how your city is going to turn into then come up here and see for yourself.

Prostitution and game are rampant in Toronto.

Game on all levels is rampant here in Toronto. Its a direct response to the shitty quality of our women, that was crafted by the weak men whom were unable to hold the cities women in check. Its a negative loop feasting off each other. A man in Toronto realizes that a car, a good job, a condo, a connected social circle.. isn't enough at times. Women here can move up the ladder so quickly that they have completely warped standards and have even worse ideals when it comes to casual sex and hook-ups.

Toronto is full of men also whom have their shit together. You have suited up dudes making bank whom know how to operate and navigate women. Toronto isn't a wasteland of all shitty dudes, many guys here have great skills and it becomes obvious when they travel and swooping becomes so much easier, and since women here are fucked that it either makes you stronger with game or breaks you down.

I have been parroting for a long time that before the sky falls every city in America and the West will simply just be like Toronto. A femenist playland in which men have to work like mules to get laid, only having to deal with fattys and loud mouths, or have to sit with blue balls if you as a man don't want to drastically date/fuck down. People don't understand that these things get brewed out of toxic environments of shitty women. The men respond to whatever the women are throwing at them. Since Toronto women make very little sense and are of such low value dudes are jumping through chaotic hoops just in attempts to get ass.

For prostitution, P4P is rampant in Toronto, with rub-tugs, agencies, and backpages ads that go on forever. It has become so bad that groups of friends as a night out will all go to rub-tug parlous and book out all the rooms to get with the Asian rub girls, versus going out to a bar. Most guys when the wall is against their backs will go towards any means to get a nutt off. This isn't fixing anything though if the women are still bad apples. Its getting to the point that women have zero shame that many normal women here are subtly being open in being escorts, as its the cool thing to do now for most Toronto feminists. Never mind Seeking Arrangement/sugar baby game, that's old school stuff for women. The real cool thing is being empowered to take 200$ to take a cock up your ass in a downtown hotel. I can't think of any other western city where even anything close to that is taking place on a level that isn't taboo as hell.

To simply put it for a man to ensure he gets buckets of ass here in the City he has to forgo self-destruction versus improvement as you have to tag along on the downward ride that Toronto females are on. This is why Toronto ruins men because your forced to break yourself down in efforts to get laid. Few can say that living here, even with good financial prospects and opportunities is really making them or crafting them to be better men in the long run.

Toronto is your future Gents.


To further add..


The women here are damaged, hyper-sexual and dominate seeking from false power given to them in this environment. The last women I fucked the other night was so apex-aggressive I had to clunk her in the face with massive force when I was fucking her. I won't let any women dominate me, and I enjoy tossing girls around, but its telling when a girl is pushing your buttons like that in bed. She was looking for blood and either wanted to feast on a submissive man, or meet her match by putting out such a massive shit test that a man is either going to fall like a cheap suit, or clunk her one on the chin in meeting/upping her response. I kinda of just shook my head after it happened, because 5 seconds after when I tell her to be a "good girl" she goes at my neck and is about to say "no", I quickly clunk her again, grab her neck, and call her a "useless slut"... She squirts. lol. Funny thing is I don't think either of us were role playing... well I wasn't as, I meant what I said.

But its like I realize quick that this "normal" women. Whom 9-5 is just like any regular girl but is a case of rotten apples in her head. Accounts like this are becoming more the norm, my homies back home are telling me I am just picking/attracting bad apples, but I don't think its the case, I really just feel this is a large swath of how the women here operate and all act out on some deranged level when your able to strip the hamster bare, you see easily how the feminist mindset has scraped the lobes of their brains here.

[WD-40]

Great Toronto post Kosko ... it's important to keep reminding men what their future is going to be like so they can plan ahead.

[It_is_my_time]

I am sure Toronto, like most North American cities suck.

But that sounds awesome compared to most USA cities. Here you have much the same attitudes from women, with the same lack of femininity and looks, but you have no prostitution at all. In fact, the police tax our tax dollars and set-up prostitution sting, wasting thousands of dollars to catch guys just trying to get a nut off with another adult all for a $200 fine.

Also, some of the strip clubs are becoming not fully nude and you catch touch the stripper during the lap dance.

[soup]

Jesus fuck, Kosko. That sounds like some post-apocolyptic shit. I don't think I'll ever go there.

[Samseau]

Thank you Kosko for keeping it real. I have no idea why I need to even debate this, but when men improve women simply raise their standards.

The game by it's very nature is zero-sum, since game is nothing more than a competition. Not everyone can win, and indeed, due to hypergamy of women, very few men come out as winners.

Thus the only way for men to break out of the game is to kill the game. This can only come through political change and organization of men with their interests as a sex in mind, not self-help books. Game is a band-aid to a flesh wound. The bleeding continues regardless.

[mikado]

(05-27-2014 03:32 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

Thank you Kosko for keeping it real. I have no idea why I need to even debate this, but when men improve women simply raise their standards.

The game by it's very nature is zero-sum, since game is nothing more than a competition. Not everyone can win, and indeed, due to hypergamy of women, very few men come out as winners.

Thus the only way for men to break out of the game is to kill the game. This can only come through political change and organization of men with their interests as a sex in mind, not self-help books. Game is a band-aid to a flesh wound. The bleeding continues regardless.

That change will not come overnight. Today's generation is too selfish and/or impatient to look for the thirty/forty upcoming years. When given the option to get a whiff of some pussy, even an old and depreciated one, most men will gladly stop thinking about their rights and the combat against feminism, and sell you for that.
I think no man who is 20-30-40 who is experiencing difficulties in banging women has any excuse, in this era of internet and TV. For those who really want to improve , aka learn game, there is a lot of info already on the internet. Even if the methodology of learning is not always the best ( some PUA sites are really trash) , all websites and forums enlighten you about women and give you the basics. You have to figure the rest by trial and error.

I have absolutely no sympathy for all the white knights who have been exposed to game , and refuse to learn, yet prefer shaming those who want to become better men.

[Simeon_Strangelight]

Jesus Kosko - that sounds crazy!

Gotta visit Toronto to see it for myself. That city sounds indeed like zero-sum. Actually even less than zero sum.

I only had once a Canadian chick from Toronto, but that was a long time ago and she wanted me to fake-rape her the second time we fucked. She fought really hard against me kicking and hitting with her full strength! And this after she told me that she had been raped 2 years ago (on the other hand who knows whether that was real). Either way - guess it has gotten way worse now.

[Samseau]

Quote:

I have absolutely no sympathy for all the white knights who have been exposed to game

In my opinion (and I believe Roosh and Tuthmosis share this with me), the white knights are just as bad as the PUAHate incels.

[AnonymousBosch]

(05-27-2014 07:32 AM)It_is_my_time Wrote:  

Do women want committed relationships... IMO, women want children.

Women with high levels of Oxytocin want children.

Oxytocin is a 'love / affection / bonding' chemical occurring naturally in women, that is also in male sperm. It's a mood elevator for her if you come inside her, meaning, if she has sex with you, it's going to end in feels, despite her telling herself it's just casual fun.

The greater her number of sex partners, the more numb she becomes to this effect, and is less capable of emotional-bonding, which is where the problem starts, because it's also a huge component of mother / child bonding.

This is why ex-cock-carousel riders marrying nice guys are incapable of ever truly-bonding with him, which is a recipe for 'I'm not happy' divorces.

It also makes for distant, narcissistic mothers. It declines naturally after menopause, and women lose interest in sex and caring for children. Which means, the career woman with baby rabies who is desperate for a child in her late 30's, early 40's is about two-to-three years away from a natural sense of indifference to the child.

It's been repeatedly-shown that women with higher IQ's have naturally lower levels of Oxytocin, hence the focus on themselves and their careers rather than relationships and reproduction. In pop culture terms, they lack a 'mothering instinct'.

That's still not all of it.

I was reading a study recently:

Higher levels of Oxytocin in the body have been shown to shift attention away from negative social information and to decrease emotional hyperarousal.

Social behaviours therefore thought to be influenced by having a low Oxytocin level in its relationship to the Amygdala, (a section of the brain that influences emotional reaction) :

- increased anger (self-evident, YOU CAN'T SAY THAT!);

- increased stress (self-evident, how many happy, contented feminists do you see?);

- hostile interpersonal relationships (kill yourself, shitlord!);

- impulsive behaviour (tatts, casual sex, cutting off hair);

- ascribing anger and hatred to ambiguous stimuli (everything is sexism, rape or misogyny);

- a more prolonged reaction to negative stimuli (obsessed, stalkerish women spouting 5000 word ALLCAPS reactions to a tweet).

Sound familiar?

Basically, there was a statistically-significant reduction in female hysteria over negative social information by simple application of an nasal spray of Oxytocin.

Yes, you could theoretically end feminism with a nasal spray.

I suspect this is where the cultural stereotype of the shrew who is 'tamed' by a man comes from. She's not cured by love - she's brought down from an emotionally-hyperaroused, negative state by regular shots of oxytocin in her snatch.

Assuming solid methodology, you can see why intelligent women without regular sex with a man would end up as seething balls of suspicious, negative, irrational hate. Tragic.

[Jackreacher]

It's like the banana epidemic. Different strains of banana have been dying out from some infection, it's only a matter of time before the remaining strains are infected and no one knows when that may happen. Once feminism has taken root the disease spreads killing off the possibility for happy relationships, some countries have very little to no feminism but it's only a matter of time.

I think right now the healthiest way to look at it, to not let it get to you is to look at it in that manner. Nothing can be done about this except move on to greener pastures and it's very good that we have that option.

[AnonymousBosch]

(05-27-2014 01:28 PM)kosko Wrote:  

I have been parroting for a long time that before the sky falls every city in America and the West will simply just be like Toronto. A femenist playland in which men have to work like mules to get laid, only having to deal with fattys and loud mouths, or have to sit with blue balls if you as a man don't want to drastically date/fuck down. People don't understand that these things get brewed out of toxic environments of shitty women. The men respond to whatever the women are throwing at them. Since Toronto women make very little sense and are of such low value dudes are jumping through chaotic hoops just in attempts to get ass.

You could be writing about Australia. The women are so low value here - unhealthy bodies, toxic personalities - yet still get men way out of their league. It's not unusual for me to move about my daily business and see less than 5 women out of 300 who take care of their health and pride in their appearance. Somehow they all go from anorexic schoolgirls to this by their early 20's:



Australia is the only country where no-one sees the disconnect with a male 8 being married to a female 5, because Australian guys are really easy-going to the point of apathy and think unattractive girls are 'less work'. It's like there's widespread depression in men where they don't even hope for anything better.

I know people think Hugh Jackman is gay because of his older, ugly wife. To my eyes, he's just Australian.

[solo]

I've been having a kind a melt-down coming these past couple of days as I've been feeling more frustrated and agitated than usual over how the brain-washed blue pill masses all around me are light years away from even beginning to understand what the hell is going on in the West. RVF is really the place of truth in a sea of political correctness and madness.

I don't always agree with everything he says, but Samseau is absolutely killing it in this thread.

(05-26-2014 11:31 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

Women are not compatible with freedom. That is why they are fundamentally attracted to strength in men

^Quoted for emphasis.

I've said this before but I know of a guy who has a notch count of 1500+. That's over 1500 guys who can't get a girl on the account of only one man. Most of his girls are 8s and above too. This guy is at the top of the top of the pyramid and his presence in the SMP has a negative trickle-down effect on almost everyone else. I am absolutely not hating on him though, just stating the obvious.

Of course, in the old days this guy would have been the alpha only of his village or town and would have banged, I don't know, maybe 10-20 girls in his lifetime. In our age though he is a super alpha who travels the world and bangs girls everywhere. It is our culture and the betas who create this breed of super alphas through the constant need for entertainment which gives such enormous resources and social approval to sport stars, actors, musicians, reality tv personalities, models etc. It is not only the economic inequality that is increasing, but the inequality in the SMP too.

(05-26-2014 10:14 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

Wolves fight other wolves.

Wolves are actually one of the most faithful and loyal animals around.

[kosko]

(05-27-2014 04:20 PM)AnonymousBosch Wrote:  

(05-27-2014 07:32 AM)It_is_my_time Wrote:  

Do women want committed relationships... IMO, women want children.

Women with high levels of Oxytocin want children.

Oxytocin is a 'love / affection / bonding' chemical occurring naturally in women, that is also in male sperm. It's a mood elevator for her if you come inside her, meaning, if she has sex with you, it's going to end in feels, despite her telling herself it's just casual fun.

The greater her number of sex partners, the more numb she becomes to this effect, and is less capable of emotional-bonding, which is where the problem starts, because it's also a huge component of mother / child bonding.

This is why ex-cock-carousel riders marrying nice guys are incapable of ever truly-bonding with him, which is a recipe for 'I'm not happy' divorces.

It also makes for distant, narcissistic mothers. It declines naturally after menopause, and women lose interest in sex and caring for children. Which means, the career woman with baby rabies who is desperate for a child in her late 30's, early 40's is about two-to-three years away from a natural sense of indifference to the child.

It's been repeatedly-shown that women with higher IQ's have naturally lower levels of Oxytocin, hence the focus on themselves and their careers rather than relationships and reproduction. In pop culture terms, they lack a 'mothering instinct'.

That's still not all of it.

I was reading a study recently:

Higher levels of Oxytocin in the body have been shown to shift attention away from negative social information and to decrease emotional hyperarousal.

Social behaviours therefore thought to be influenced by having a low Oxytocin level in its relationship to the Amygdala, (a section of the brain that influences emotional reaction) :

- increased anger (self-evident, YOU CAN'T SAY THAT!);

- increased stress (self-evident, how many happy, contented feminists do you see?);

- hostile interpersonal relationships (kill yourself, shitlord!);

- impulsive behaviour (tatts, casual sex, cutting off hair);

- ascribing anger and hatred to ambiguous stimuli (everything is sexism, rape or misogyny);

- a more prolonged reaction to negative stimuli (obsessed, stalkerish women spouting 5000 word ALLCAPS reactions to a tweet).

Sound familiar?

Basically, there was a statistically-significant reduction in female hysteria over negative social information by simple application of an nasal spray of Oxytocin.

Yes, you could theoretically end feminism with a nasal spray.

I suspect this is where the cultural stereotype of the shrew who is 'tamed' by a man comes from. She's not cured by love - she's brought down from an emotionally-hyperaroused, negative state by regular shots of oxytocin in her snatch.

Assuming solid methodology, you can see why intelligent women without regular sex with a man would end up as seething balls of suspicious, negative, irrational hate. Tragic.

Yes! ABosch with a great post.


Glad to see you posting more often these days.

Its not only careers that women use to help numb the pains, and to boost "happy" levels.

Lets not forget these usual suspects either...

[Feisbook Control]

Jesus Kosko, that's grim. Actually, when I first came to Taiwan, I was friends with a guy from Ontario (I think he was from Ottawa, but I assume there's a spill over effect from Toronto). He was a pretty cool, funny, chilled guy, and everyone -- Western or Taiwanese, male or female -- got along with him. Anyway, for the rest of us, it was like arriving in pussy paradise. He, however, had a long term girlfriend from university and was completely monogamous. No one really knew much about her, but then she came over to Taiwan to live/work also. OMFG.

So she was an overweight Bangladeshi chick who had grown up in Britain but gone to university in Canada. She had an extremely whiny voice, and she drove everyone insane whenever she was in our presence. Even another friend of ours, a South African Indian guy, who would best be described as Tyrion in S1 of Game of Thrones in that he's not alpha by a long shot, but he has a way of trolling anyone and everyone and gets himself in some hilarious situations (e.g. he once gave a Japanese classmate of his at university a gift wrapped dildo and all hell broke loose), couldn't even stand trolling her and wouldn't be in her presence.

Yet it gets worse. Because her family is Muslim, they don't know that she has a (white) boyfriend. (Incidentally, I know that they're fucking because I went with them to a pharmacy once and she bought contraceptives there.) It's so ridiculous, that if those two appear in photos together on Facebook, there is always at least one other person in the photo, and one of those extra people has to be a white female. It is fucking insane!

However, based upon your description of Toronto, it all makes sense now!

Likewise, I will second AnonymousBosch's comments about Australians. Every time I go back to Australia, I get the shock of my life. Taipei-Singapore is 90%+ East Asians. The women are generally petite and demure. Then I hit the departure lounge at Changi Airport and it's a massive WTF?! moment. It's full of tatted up slags with bad tan lines and their tits and belly rolls hanging out of tank tops, mouthing off at boyfriends. Also, I go from being big in Asia to small in Australia.

I went back to Australia in January and I had a surreal time visiting my sister. Let me preface all of this with a little back story. I'd always known that my sister is off her chops, and she also shows classic signs (claims to be a feminist, got a degree in social work, then some weird admin. law master's, is massively into her career, has four cats, etc.), but I didn't know just how bad until last year in August when I was there the previous time.

The night I was leaving to return to Taiwan (as in about four hours before I flew out), she rang me at my parents' house. My parents had actually gone away a couple of days before, so they weren't there, but she doesn't talk to my father at all, and my mother only occasionally. She claimed to have self-medicated (she's on a cocktail of anti-depressants) and drunk a whole lot of alcohol, cut herself, locked herself out of the house, and was wandering the streets of Brisbane (she and her fiance had only just moved there from Sydney -- my parents live in Melbourne). I tried to deal with her, but then her phone died. So, I called her fiance, who was at work, but fairly close to their home, and over the next hour, he managed to sort it out. A factor in all of this was that my sister didn't have a job (remember, she's a massive career girl) when they moved to Brisbane and was finding it hard to get work. This is the irony: she had such a high opinion of herself that she just assumed she'd get a job immediately, and so quit her previous job and moved to another city without thinking it through.

So then they got married a couple of weeks later (and went abroad to marry so no one from either family could come!). At this point, I should also add that the guy she married is someone she's known since high school (oneitis?) who started dating her six months before she was diagnosed with breast cancer (and she ended up having a double mastectomy). Christ! Oh yeah, and she was just about to turn 36 when they married.

So anyway, this January, I went to Brisbane to visit them. The whole time I was there, I was continually picking my jaw up off the ground because my sister did not stop fucking with him. It was surreal. The two highlights of the trip were the following. On the first night I was there, we went out to dinner. They both had a couple of drinks, but my sister can't hold her alcohol at all. I was talking to my brother-in-law, who is an engineer in the energy sector (and an ex-major in the army), and he was telling me something about energy technology. Then, my sister just cut him off and started shouting at the top of her lungs "that's a stupid idea!" repeatedly to the point where half the people in the restaurant were looking at us. Then, she pulled out the line, "well I have a master's". At that point, my brother-in-law pulled out his one good line for the whole night, which was "so do I, but mine is in engineering". At that point, my sister went back to shouting at him. You could have knocked me over with a feather during the whole episode.

I've had huge arguments with my sister before, which I always win (ironically, not by logic, but by just shouting back at her "you're worthless" until she breaks down and cries), but I just couldn't be bothered getting into it with her. I was on vacation, after all. A couple of days later, when she wasn't there, I had a brief chat with my brother-in-law about her, but I realised that he was only going to defend her, so I didn't pursue it.

Then, the second moment of illumination came on the trip to the airport. In the car, my sister was bragging about her career and how she once fired eight people in one day. I realised that she's a complete manosphere caricature of a modern psycho bitch and I haven't spoken to her since. I don't even know what I would say to her anymore, because it's all about her. At this point, any interaction would be purely voyeuristic on my part.

Australia is full of those kinds of chicks at one end, and fat slapper white trash at the other. It is fucked up. Simple as that. Go there for the beaches, not the women.

[LeBeau]

(05-27-2014 04:52 PM)solo Wrote:  

I've said this before but I know of a guy who has a notch count of 1500+. That's over 1500 guys who can't get a girl on the account of only one man. Most of his girls are 8s and above too. This guy is at the top of the top of the pyramid and his presence in the SMP has a negative trickle-down effect on almost everyone else. I am absolutely not hating on him though, just stating the obvious.

I'm sure I'm not the only one who would be interested in a breakdown of this guy's history and lifestyle development.

Outside of guys with a huge amount of fame game, I haven't heard those kind of numbers claimed (1000+) since G Manifesto.

Not calling you out or anything, I'm just curious to hear more.

[Vitriol]

(05-27-2014 01:28 PM)kosko Wrote:  

I have been parroting for a long time that before the sky falls every city in America and the West will simply just be like Toronto. A femenist playland in which men have to work like mules to get laid, only having to deal with fattys and loud mouths, or have to sit with blue balls if you as a man don't want to drastically date/fuck down. People don't understand that these things get brewed out of toxic environments of shitty women. The men respond to whatever the women are throwing at them. Since Toronto women make very little sense and are of such low value dudes are jumping through chaotic hoops just in attempts to get ass.

For prostitution, P4P is rampant in Toronto, with rub-tugs, agencies, and backpages ads that go on forever. It has become so bad that groups of friends as a night out will all go to rub-tug parlous and book out all the rooms to get with the Asian rub girls, versus going out to a bar. Most guys when the wall is against their backs will go towards any means to get a nutt off. This isn't fixing anything though if the women are still bad apples. Its getting to the point that women have zero shame that many normal women here are subtly being open in being escorts, as its the cool thing to do now for most Toronto feminists. Never mind Seeking Arrangement/sugar baby game, that's old school stuff for women. The real cool thing is being empowered to take 200$ to take a cock up your ass in a downtown hotel. I can't think of any other western city where even anything close to that is taking place on a level that isn't taboo as hell.

To simply put it for a man to ensure he gets buckets of ass here in the City he has to forgo self-destruction versus improvement as you have to tag along on the downward ride that Toronto females are on. This is why Toronto ruins men because your forced to break yourself down in efforts to get laid. Few can say that living here, even with good financial prospects and opportunities is really making them or crafting them to be better men in the long run.

When the return on investment for going out and actually trying to talk to women becomes that bad, men will just stop bothering at some point.

I think what you're describing is a shift towards transactional sex for most men (we're already seeing varying degrees of it in Japan), which I think is going to become more commonplace in the developed world as the average woman in these places has absolutely no sexual interest in the men who are her peers. It doesn't take men long to realize that in the type of environment you're describing, dropping some money to guarantee getting a nut off is a better investment than getting bitched at by girls all night only to come home with your dick in your hands night after night.

We already have things like Seeking Arrangement, Webcam sites, host clubs for girls in Japan, and other things I probably don't even know about that are creating this new transactional sex market. We'll probably see even more of it in the future.

As Samseau said...

Samseau Wrote:

If girls were interested in having stable and committed relationships today, there wouldn't be a need for game in the first place.

So if the sexual marketplace starts to look like a whorehouse, it's because women would rather whore themselves out for cash and cheap thrills than form the kinds of relationships that were common in the 20th century. I think we're seeing more women starting to turn that way, and men will obviously have to follow if they want any pussy.

[soup]

Some men will stop trying.

Others will persevere and be kings.

[draguer]

(05-27-2014 08:36 PM)Feisbook Control Wrote:  

Then, the second moment of illumination came on the trip to the airport. In the car, my sister was bragging about her career and how she once fired eight people in one day. I realised that she's a complete manosphere caricature of a modern psycho bitch and I haven't spoken to her since. I don't even know what I would say to her anymore, because it's all about her. At this point, any interaction would be purely voyeuristic on my part.

I'm noticing more and more the traits we deride in my sister.

She is only 20 but she has a boyfriend she has walked all over and had $1000s of gifts from the past few years, while he makes a low income. He is like her pet dog, and turned down a job with huge potential in Australia to stay here where he is not progressing with anything.

The slightest bit of criticism or challenge to her position sends her into a tantrum.

She is incredibly selfish and cannot see anything from another person's perspective - narcissism. Solipsistic and with a hugely inflated sense of her own importance and how she expects people to respond to her.

I am seeing the effects of her growing up without a hint of hardship - she has never wanted for anything so when the slightest difficulty occurs it rocks her world.

I'm moving away to Europe in a month and am thinking as the years go on I will begin to have more of the thoughts you have described.

[kdolo]

Thank God we still have Latin America

[big poppa]

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[kdolo]

(05-27-2014 10:56 AM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  

[quote='Samseau' pid='737468' dateline='1401196710']

A society without money and super-high technology should be the goal of humanity, but again - off topic.

Many have tried this and suspiciously millions end up dying and millions more end up in misery.

as long as you have humanity, people will want to exchange goods and services, hence money or money like equivalents.

This is fundamental to existence and CANNOT nor SHOULD NOT be changed

[AnonymousBosch]

Note the girls in this video. They're about average for your lower class aussie girl. The thing is, they don't class up much even with education: a university girl still tries to kiss you with vomit in her hair or will stop to piss in the gutter.

Trigger Warning: Australian Girls

Things could always be worse.

[draguer]

(05-27-2014 11:09 PM)AnonymousBosch Wrote:  

Note the girls in this video. They're about average for your lower class aussie girl. The thing is, they don't class up much even with education: a university girl still tries to kiss you with vomit in her hair or will stop to piss in the gutter.

Trigger Warning: Australian Girls

Things could always be worse.

That's one of the worst things I've seen in months.