[soup]

(05-24-2014 11:36 AM)Parlay44 Wrote:  

I think the term Pick-up Artist needs to die already. I prefer the term Cocksman from Wedding Crashers.

I'm gonna a little here. Just because you pick up a paint brush that doesn't make you fucking Picasso. It doesn't even make you an artist. Most artists didn't get recognition till long after they died. But what picking up the paint brush does is open your mind to another world that you need to explore to understand. This kid just walked into Walmart and bought some fucking paint brushes for 3 for a dollar and said "Look I'm an artist. I derserve recognition. Love me. Fuck me."

To be any kind of "Artist" means to live the lifestyle. To put in the work and achieve greatness despite multiple failures. This kid just didn't have it.

Everyone here knows that game works.

It doesn't guarantee anything, but it definitely improves guys chances.

The guys who deny this are either trolling or haven't really got into game.

Massive entitlement issues in this country, on both sides of the genders. With girls, it's obvious.. all the stuff we talk about here.

With guys.. most guys need to recognize the reality of the changing world and not live a fantasy. You can't really expect to be rolling with slamming babes if you don't have your game together.. and this goes for rich, famous, poor, handsome guys etc... all guys need to get on the band wagon and take the redpill with regards to this stuff. And, it's fucking hard to get good at (for me at least).

Shit, even I get entitlement issues when I hit a dry spell or whatever.. I think that because I fucked X amount of chicks last year that I should be getting the same results just for breathing. I still struggle with the game a lot.

It's bullshit. We all have to stay with it and not check out on life. If you live in a fantasy all the time, you will most likely hit the wall of reality at some point in your life.

[TonySandos]

For decades the term has been 'player' and to this day, around here, guys call other guys who pull the good stuff players.

[michelin]

One should write a mainstream article about this case. The argument that game could have saved lives can be an eye-opener and a smash in the face to haters of game.

I'm puzzled why the guy uses game vocabulary such as "alpha-male" in his video, but never seems to have tried or done anything about it.

[HungWeiLo]

I was never in this guys boat, and damn is he in a different kind of boat. But before I found game and the lifestyle and thought processes that went with it, I was asking myself the same questions. Why not me, I'm 6'4", athletic, and intelligent; why won't women get with me. Then I learned about game and I realized that I may be all of those things, but women won;t know that if I don't talk them, and interact with them.

This guy had all the tools necessary to build his house, but his upbringing taught him that someone will build it for him, he just has to have the house. I'm interested to see where the Main Stream Media takes this, because we all know the feminists and white knights that populate it will be emotionally on his side, rushing to his defense (after they express their faux, righteous indignation that something like this could happen).

On the other side of things, it's likely a liberal with a gun. It doesn't fit into the nice, prepackaged notion that gun lovers are conservative. If it truly is linked to Hollywood, then they may turn on one of their own which could be fun to watch.

In the end though, it'll be turned around to focus on why guns are bad, and gun free zones are good (just like the campus he shot up, go figure), but the true cause of the sickness will never be discussed; the weakening of the social constructs that have worked for generation after generation, in favor of legislated equality and fairness, which, I think we all know, can never exist.

[soup]

(05-24-2014 11:38 AM)Christian McQueen Wrote:  

This is some nice karma for the fucks at PUAHate for their constant bullshit hating on Roosh and this forum.

You reap what you sow.

If you make a forum dedicated to pedestalizing the act of copping out, you are going to attract guys who seek validation for copping out.

Now they are probably being investigated.

It's ok to point out bullshit and charlatans, but you can't cherry pick the truth.. you can't go and say that all game is whack because of some bad apples when there are mountains of evidence that supports the efficacy of game.

[Dusty]

One of this little bastard's problems was that he applied male attraction principles on women.

We know that a woman being attractive is pretty much all she needs to get as much sex as she wants.

He thought because he was attractive, women should be throwing themselves at him. They didn't, and he snapped.

From listening to his Youtubes, he just couldn't get his head wrapped around the idea that he needs more than his looks (and BMW) to get bitches. He would have to actually talk to them in a skillful way.

He was appalled that other guys (including ones he considered less attractive than him) were getting tail and he was not. He's entitled to pussy because of who he is , don't you see!

[Basil Ransom]

Honestly, the involuntary celibacy is just a symptom of underlying dysfunction. As others like McQueen have noted, this dude had virtually every reason 'on paper' to be smashing ass, not least living in Santa Barbara and being good looking and connected.

Was he on antidepressants or antipsychotics? Probably, given how most shooters have been. I'm guessing he was an oddball to begin with, and that proved damaging once puberty hit. He didn't try to resolve his repulsive quirks, and got into a vicious spiral of no one liking him and then becoming more bitter and so on. Then he takes these drugs, and the spiral worsens and accelerates. In the later phases is he would probably spurn all offers of help, if he didn't scare off everyone to begin with. An early intervention in early puberty would have been his greatest aid, before he had developed this superstructure of resentful narcissism.

[Vicious]

Unfortunately I believe that the Puahate connection means that this will ultimately be blamed on the PUA scene in the mainstream media.

[soup]

(05-24-2014 11:57 AM)Dusty Wrote:  

One of this little bastard's problems was that he applied male attraction principles on women.

We know that a woman being attractive is pretty much all she needs to get as much sex as she wants.

He thought because he was attractive, women should be throwing themselves at him. They didn't, and he snapped.

From listening to his Youtubes, he just couldn't get his head wrapped around the idea that he needs more than his looks (and BMW) to get bitches. He would have to actually talk to them in a skillful way.

He was appalled that other guys (including ones he considered less attractive than him) were getting tail and he was not. He's entitled to pussy because of who he is , don't you see!

Clearly, he wasn't really "attractive".

He may have been good looking, rich, famous.. but he wasn't attracting the girls that he was attracted to.


I think we need to recognize that being attractive is more than just having these inert qualities.

Game strings all that shit together.

It's like having a giant robot to fight your wars, but not having the energy source to power it.

[MongolianAbroad]

(05-24-2014 10:15 AM)KorbenDallas Wrote:  

In this case bad parenting may also be a big factor in addition to the "beta rage" thing.

One thing that appears to have gone on in times past, ancient and even 100 years ago, is that if it just didn't happen for a guy and he turned 18 or whatever, a guy would go alone or with his buddies to a brothel.

This scenario is VERY common in Mexico, even today.

[Basil Ransom]

"I'm puzzled why the guy uses game vocabulary such as "alpha-male" in his video, but never seems to have tried or done anything about it."

Some guys just get too invested in player hating, even if they logically agree with everything players claim (as opposed to game denialists like feminists). It's self worship - to succeed they must change themselves and they resent that, and so they focus their resentment on the men that have that success.

I'm sure we're going to hear a lot of pundits, especially female pundits, flapping their labia about how men need to stop being so preoccupied with sex and that that is why this happened.

[The Beast1]

I betcha the FBI got on finding his online stuff quickly. I'm on my phone, but someone needs to grab a screenshot of his posts on PUAhate. I have a bad feeling we will be under a microscope soon as most groups like us would fall under the conservative groups that have been getting bugged lately by 3 letter agencies.

[soup]

(05-24-2014 12:00 PM)Vicious Wrote:  

Unfortunately I believe that the Puahate connection means that this will ultimately be blamed on the PUA scene in the mainstream media.

It doesn't matter because a community that teaches men how to be good with women will always be seen as the antagonist of mainstream media.

What are they going to do? Try to shut down RVF? Put up signs in bars saying "no PUAs"

Not worried.

Besides, if you are coming off as a PUA, then you probably aren't running tight game anyway.

[Roosh]

(05-24-2014 12:00 PM)Vicious Wrote:  

Unfortunately I believe that the Puahate connection means that this will ultimately be blamed on the PUA scene in the mainstream media.

I'd like to see them try to link us to a member of an ANTI-game site when we are pro-game. I'll be ready for that. Besides, the forum is clean, with no promotion of illegal acts, violence, etc. Unlike PUAhate, this forum is actually moderated.

[Dusty]

The ironic and sick thing is, if he wasn't killed, he'd probably have all kinds of bitches wanting to fuck him now, and he'd be getting the validation he so desperately wanted.

[Roosh]

Business insider:

Quote:

Someone with the username EliotRodger was a regular poster on an online message board called PUAhate, on which men who have been unlucky with women commiserate, criticize one another, excoriate the opposite sex, and denounce PUA's, or pick-up artists — dating gurus whom they accuse of preying on desperate men like themselves for financial gain.

Many of the posters identify themselves as "incels," short for involuntary celibates, and some of the posts fantasize about violence toward women.

http://www.businessinsider.com/ucsb-shoo...cts-2014-5

[Ensam]

(05-24-2014 12:05 PM)soup Wrote:  

Besides, if you are coming off as a PUA, then you probably aren't running tight game anyway.

This is a point that should be driven home constantly. Tight game is fun for everybody involved and is barely noticeable unless you know what to look for.

[Andy_B]

(05-24-2014 08:32 AM)Roosh Wrote:  

The self-loathing is off the charts:

Jesus Christ, just listen to him go on about "why does he (the guy with the GF) get to have these experiences" and how "it's not fair." Here's a guy who really thinks he's entitled to anything he wants, probably because his parents gave him whatever he asked for. He never had to make friends, he was just left to his own devices to turn into this ridiculous freak-like personification of American cuture.

[Roosh]

(05-24-2014 09:59 AM)Samseau Wrote:  

He knew about Game. If he had an account on PUAHATE then he knew about game. He was just a denialist. There was no helping this dude.

It looks like we have our first data point that game denialism kills.

[Samseau]

(05-24-2014 12:13 PM)Roosh Wrote:  

(05-24-2014 09:59 AM)Samseau Wrote:  

He knew about Game. If he had an account on PUAHATE then he knew about game. He was just a denialist. There was no helping this dude.

It looks like we have our first data point that game denialism kills.

Yep. But isn't that the point of the world in general?

Denial of ANY truth leads to death and misery in the long run.

[Ensam]

One thing I'm curious about is how people found out who this guy was so quickly. The police haven't released his name yet - but it clearly seems to be the guy.

[michelin]

The PUAhate.com forum "is down for maintenance".

interesting.

[Vicious]

You're expecting insight and an understanding of scene subtleties from the mainstream media?

They're going to twist this to something along the lines of "men destroyed by PUAs".

Not that is going to matter, the sheep will keep being sheep and those with some cerebral power week try to find out more for themselves.

[Basil Ransom]

"I'd like to see them try to link us to a member of an ANTI-game site when we are pro-game. I'll be ready for that."

Given how media personalities have zero integrity or critical thinking ability, this will likely happen regardless.

Here's one possible angle: "PUAHate and pickup artists are really birds of the same feather, because they both have an unhealthy fixation on 'scoring' with attractive women.They both feed this idea that men are entitled to women, and that if you aren't succeeding with women, you aren't a 'man' [man will definitely be in quotes]. We need to move away from a definition of masculinity based on sexual conquest, on possessing women like they are pieces of property - and PUAs are just as guilty in that regard."

Of course, I think that's bullshit. But I guarantee there will be lots of fuckfaces saying stuff of that nature.

[Roosh]

(05-24-2014 12:14 PM)Ensam Wrote:  

One thing I'm curious about is how people found out who this guy was so quickly. The police haven't released his name yet - but it clearly seems to be the guy.

It's confirmed: http://abcnews.go.com/US/killed-mass-mur...d=23853918

Quote:

Here's one possible angle:

Don't give them ideas.