[gustavofring]

The story just broke in the UK and it says this video is at the center of the investigation.

This really makes me believe that people should walk around with copies of bang and preach the same way people do with the bible. At first I thought game was just a cool way to get laid more, but the more and more I read I realize it's so much more than that.

R.I.P. to all the victims.

[Tuthmosis]

Seeing your enemies fall is a delicious treat you only get to taste a few times in your life. I'm savoring this delicacy with a cup of freshly brewed coffee. It's a shame real people had to lose their lives, but I can't help but think this will discredit a horrible website, PUAHate--and a way of thinking--that could have harmed even more men and innocent people. Beta losers will never go away, but this will wake up a few men and, more importantly, scare others.

@1:05:

Allow to itemize my thoughts.

In no particular order:

1. These losers tried to "expose" me and others on this site, and cause us harm.
It's only because they're so massively unintelligent that they got me completely wrong. In the meantime, they did everything they could to get the keywords "tuthmosis return of kings" associated with some random Colombian immigrant dude they were convinced was me, in an effort to have me lose my job and personal relationships. The fact that they could believe there was any association between the actual me and that random dude--on such flimsy, nonexistent evidence--shows the extent of their monumental state of delusion. They did similar bullshit with other members of this forum.

2. This proves that wallowing in your misery is not a productive use of your energies.
This guy took the time to make videos and write god-knows-how-many posts about his growing misery when he could have used some of that time to improve himself. The fear of approaching is that strong for some guys.

3. Omega males, white knights, and other delusional, thirsty losers are the enemy--and are dangerous.
This is why I call for eradication of these pests. Not only has their proliferation created many of the problems we confront on a daily basis (bad attitudes from chicks, bitches paranoid of "creepy guys," cockblocking), they actually resent guys who do the work to improve with women and life. This is why you should have to have zero tolerance for this shit if/when you confront it in your real life.

[gustavofring]

Out of curiosity, due to all his posts on PUAhate, do you guys think this could be the thing that takes game to the mainstream?

[michelin]

He titles his last video "life is so unfair". the guy posted lots of depressing youtube videos over the past month, as a way of red alert, as other losers did before shooting innocent people. what is kind of shocking is that he never seems to have had the balls to approach a girl yet kept on whining and exposing himself on Youtube, embittering himself.

[TheRookie]

All the guys saying "why didn't he learn game?" or "why did he deny game?" are missing the point. This kid isn't your buddy who is shy around girls - he is a guy with no friends who is utterly incapable of relating to anyone. He is extremely poorly socialized, delusional, and frightening to other people. There really isn't any hope for somebody like this. While sociopaths can manipulate other people's emotions and control their behavior to achieve objectives, psychopaths are completely unhinged.





Judging from the responses of the PUAHaters reveling in the news of the shooting, that forum appears to be especially attractive to low-functioning psychopaths.

[dog]

(05-24-2014 12:50 PM)gustavofring Wrote:  

Out of curiosity, due to all his posts on PUAhate, do you guys think this could be the thing that takes game to the mainstream?

Lol.. well Roosh getting listed as a "hate speech" site by the SPLC got me reading him regularly, so I guess it's possible.

Another option (and not necessarily mutually exclusive) is that the-powers-that-be double-down on the status quo, which means even more negative press towards red pill thinking and bigger attempts to marginalize anything seen as anti-feminist.

[coginnav]

(05-24-2014 04:56 AM)Moreless Wrote:  

I think this guy just went on a shooting spree at a college. Here's the news article about the shooting: http://www.independent.com/news/2014/may...sla-vista/

Someone always says it on here: Game saves lives.

Another of his videos:

I have feeling he won't be the last to take this route to solve his "problem."



Here is some evidence it was Elliot Roger. See the license plates:

http://media.independent.com/img/photos/...hoto-4.JPG

http://i.imgur.com/aFOXBqy.jpg

If only the dude had learnt game and some other things ROK stands for(masculinity)...Just hearing about this stuff now....

[Tresdus]

Some of his youtube comments:
http://imgur.com/a/K5kGC

[Icarus]

YouTube has removed his retribution video.

[MongolianAbroad]

(05-24-2014 12:58 PM)Tresdus Wrote:  

Some of his youtube comments:
http://imgur.com/a/K5kGC

He says "You have it all wrong. Women don't like metro guys. I wish they did, because I am one."

So it looks like he identified as metro-sexual.

[Tuthmosis]

Good moderating saves lives. Any motherfucker displaying signs of being an angry or morose weirdo gets unceremoniously banned from the RVF. Elsewhere, they're allowed to conspire with other weirdos and plot murders.

   

From the highlighted article:

   

[The Beast1]

(05-24-2014 01:05 PM)Spaniard88 Wrote:  

(05-24-2014 12:58 PM)Tresdus Wrote:  

Some of his youtube comments:
http://imgur.com/a/K5kGC

He says "You have it all wrong. Women don't like metro guys. I wish they did, because I am one."

So it looks like he identified as metro-sexual.

This is starting to look like a closeted gay man struggling with an identity crisis.

Nothing would have stopped this.

[speakeasy]

(05-24-2014 08:32 AM)Roosh Wrote:  

The self-loathing is off the charts:

I hate to throw out the "C" word because it's so overused by women, but that was truly one of the creepiest things I've ever seen.

Just think, that couple was sitting on the beach, living the life, feeling very peaceful in a beautiful environment in what is one of the safest places in California. They had no idea that a psychotic omega serial killer was watching their every move. Obsessively. Feeling the weight of the world crush down on his soul because another man is happy and in the company of a woman. Blaming that couple for his misery. Two people he doesn't even know. And people had to die for this shit.

Watching his videos I can't help but be reminded of the IRT. These two come from the exact same place. Obsession with blonde sorority girls, omega psychosis, extreme entitlement and low self-esteem couched in narcissism. Both of them have posted to pua hate sites and body building, both have obsessively taken selfies, neither speak of having any actual friends. I would not be surprised if the IRT ends up doing the same thing this guy did.

[soup]

I want to know how this kid was able to get a semi-automatic handgun.

[dog]

(05-24-2014 01:12 PM)frenchie Wrote:  

(05-24-2014 01:05 PM)Spaniard88 Wrote:  

(05-24-2014 12:58 PM)Tresdus Wrote:  

Some of his youtube comments:
http://imgur.com/a/K5kGC

He says "You have it all wrong. Women don't like metro guys. I wish they did, because I am one."

So it looks like he identified as metro-sexual.

This is starting to look like a closeted gay man struggling with an identity crisis.

Nothing would have stopped this.

I'm not saying it's not possible, but it appears that he was talking about clothing style given the context ("At college women all go for jocks and frat boys, a real shame").

He probably saw himself as sophisticated and fashionable, and was frustrated that pussy wasn't falling into his lap. You even get that vibe from the quote that he feels that he is better than the "jocks and frat boys" and also feels the women are wrong to not recognize this.

(05-24-2014 01:19 PM)speakeasy Wrote:  

I hate to throw out the "C" word because it's so overused by women, but that was truly one of the creepiest things I've ever seen.

Just think, that couple was sitting on the beach, living the life, feeling very peaceful in a beautiful environment in what is one of the safest places in California. They had no idea that a psychotic omega serial killer was watching their every move. Obsessively. Feeling the weight of the world crush down on his soul because another man is happy and in the company of a woman. Blaming that couple for his misery. Two people he doesn't even know. And people had to die for this shit.

I think this is one of the cases where the C-word applies. If I were the dude on the bench and I saw that video my skin would be crawling. Funny how that's a little different than "OMG a guy asked me to lunch today on the subway. What a creep!"

[CRR]

(05-24-2014 12:30 PM)thedude3737 Wrote:  

(05-24-2014 12:07 PM)Roosh Wrote:  

(05-24-2014 12:00 PM)Vicious Wrote:  

Unfortunately I believe that the Puahate connection means that this will ultimately be blamed on the PUA scene in the mainstream media.

I'd like to see them try to link us to a member of an ANTI-game site when we are pro-game. I'll be ready for that. Besides, the forum is clean, with no promotion of illegal acts, violence acts, etc.

Yeah, they won't be able to pigeonhole PUAs into any responsibility here. His resentment goes towards ALL men and ALL women that are doing the mating dance that he finds so repulsive.

Game is a tricky thing. Game, at its core, forces a man to take accountability of his own dating life. This young man, confronted with the reality that his sexual market value is much lower than he'd prefer, decided to deny that reality and delve into an alternate reality where HE is a god and everyone ELSE are scum.

How many of us have been called arrogant by women we pick up? I hear it all the time. And I certainly do project a self-confidence that borders on arrogance. But the truth is we all deal with rejection on a constant basis. Going out and approaching women keeps your ego in check REAL quick. We get ego boosts from our successes and we get ego reality checks from our failures.

A true narcissist isn't capable of allowing that ego reality check. In their world, they are the most beautiful, intelligent, and worthy. This leads to a highly alienated state which breeds more and more resentment towards other humans, resulting in homicidal fantasies. Push it further down the spiral and those fantasies eventually turn to reality.

Game saves lives not because it gets men laid, but because it forces them to take accountability. It teaches that your successes and failures are entirely your responsibility, and that to increase your successes with women requires some degree of change to your outward presentation. This model of thinking is simply not compatible with a true narcissist.

As rational men we all look towards solutions for situations like these, but unfortunately there are none. In any species there are always outliers and bad apples. We assume that all humans are born with free will and a healthy, rational mind, but this is not so. You can't force someone to take the red pill, it requires a certain something, a certain willingness to change ones perceptions and paradigms.

I remember the car massacre in 2001, I was partying in Isla Vista somewhat frequently during that time. I can't find any articles confirming it but I remember hearing that kid was a total weirdo too. Interesting coincidence that his dad had Hollywood ties.

I look at events like these through the lens of socioeconomics. Our capitalist society is a very competitive one, and perhaps nowhere else on earth is the alpha/beta male dynamic so strong as the U.S. Producing legions of dominant "brutes" that get 80% of the pussy will inevitably leave hordes of bitter, disenchanted, and disillusioned men behind. Give them access to guns, and you've got a very nasty formula. I don't see it changing anytime soon.

This.

The media groups everyone in the “manosphere” as sexually frustrated, Nice Guys, etcetera, where they couldn’t be more wrong or full of it.

Here - take responsibility and take the good with the bad.

Feminism - all women are beautiful and perfect and can do no wrong. Beauty comes in all shapes and sizes (for women, not men).

Yet, feminism is considered normal and unassailable, whereas any male expression is considered misogynistic.

[Sp5]

(05-24-2014 01:20 PM)soup Wrote:  

I want to know how this kid was able to get a semi-automatic handgun.

Looks like you can buy a handgun in CA with a certificate showing you've taken a handgun safety course.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_laws_in_California

http://www.nraila.org/gun-laws/state-law...ornia.aspx

[speakeasy]

(05-24-2014 09:44 AM)Ensam Wrote:  

(05-24-2014 09:36 AM)Christian McQueen Wrote:  

The fact that he was a hollywood kid and couldn't use his dad's prestige to get laid is shocking. He was either gay, mentally retarded, or plain stupid.

This kid was a narcissistic brat. Period.

(05-24-2014 09:41 AM)soup Wrote:  

Does anyone know if he had any experience with game?

Did he try it and then reject it, or did he not have a clue about it?

I expect to see more and more of this kind of thing in the future unless guys everywhere learn that there is another path.

For all you guys asking about whether or not the world is better with thirsty guys.. Here is your answer.

You make a good point but in this situation I'm not sure that applies. McQueen nailed it. This guy had every advantage to be a top notch player and instead got bitter that despite it being handed to him on a platter he still had to pick up the food and eat it.

We need to be careful about projecting our own feelings on society and how it's failing the average man on situations like these.

Yes, McQueen is right. Thing with this is the guy clearly has a condition of learned helplessness. I don't think any game would've helped him because it's clear that through his life, for whatever reason he wasn't being properly socialized. You could stick this guy in a room full of beautiful girls he would act strangely and drive them off and then have no idea why. I looked at the Facebook page and he has all these selfies and all these other shots of nature and landscapes. The saddest thing is that he was "liking" his own photos. Not one other person "liked" any photo he posted, even some of the nice ones he took of the coast and mountains. So it's clear he had no friends. He didn't need to learn game, not yet. He first needed to learn how to make friends and be socially normal. Teaching him game would be like teaching a kid algebra when they haven't even learned their times table.

While I hold him fully accountable for the murders, it's a damn shame someone wasn't looking out for this kid growing up. If he has an older successful brother, that brother should be ashamed of himself. His father should be ashamed of himself. If you notice your kid or little brother has no friends and isn't growing up socially normal, it's your job to intervene and help him out.

[Zebra_Cakes]

Watching his videos was a strange experience. It's not everyday that you get to peer into the mind of a crazy and see what drives them.

I remember this guys posts over in the misc and just thought he was a troll who was joking. It's a weird feeling looking back in retrospect and seeing that he is indeed crazy.

[polar]

From
http://abcnews.go.com/US/killed-mass-mur...d=23853918

According to the family's lawyer:

Quote:

Rodger was diagnosed as being a high-functioning patient with Asperger syndrome and had faced bullying through much of his life as he had trouble making friends.

Enough said.

Tragic.

[Trim]

What a retard. I seen his video and he came across as a disgusting guy. Yes, good looking, but I can see why girls were put off by him.

[Faust]

Game would not have helped this man. I don't think anything would have.

Game can help a lot of people. The fat guy who needs motivation to hit the gym. The nice guy who can't understand why he keeps getting turned down. The kid with mild Aspberger's who never took the time to think about how he was coming across to girls. If you're that kind of person, a copy of Day Bang and a weekend spent reading Roissy can make a huge difference in your life.

But this guy? He's something else. I'll link the video that vannigoc found, because it's unbelievably instructive.

If this guy was auditioning for the role of a serial killer in a Hollywood movie, he'd beat out every other actor on the planet. Roosh used the word "creepy" above, and while that's the same word that first came to my mind, I think a better one is "terrifying." Look at the weird tics as he moves. Listen to the way his voice is so soft, and yet so angry at the same time. It feels like he could break into a screaming yell at any second. The strange pauses in his speech. The bizarre, obsessive way he talks about women around him and their, "revealing shorts" and "cascading blonde hair."
Then there's the way he justifies himself, with lines like, "I am the perfect gentleman," and "I drive a nicer car than 90% of the people around here."
No wonder women ran away from him. I would. Bizarrely, it's possible that the fact that he snapped in such an obvious way and was caught so quickly is a saving grace: I could easily see this guy kidnapping women and torturing them in his basement, going undetected for years.

I am not a fan of western women, and I'm certainly not a fan of PUAHate. But I don't think either of them can be blamed for this. This man was broken, and he was broken in a way that I don't think anyone or anything could fix. If it wasn't women it would've been something else. Even something as simple as a lost job would've been enough to send him over the edge. There are no lessons to be learned here, except that there are evil, evil people in this world.

[JoyStick]

He sounds like such a negative Nancy in his videos. That's why he had no friends, who would want to hang out with such a downer?

[Freddy_1]

Man what a waste. and all because some Americans girls didnt like him... How can a guy in his position..( youth, looks, some fame and wealth) not realise the opportunities he would of had with women far superior in other countries...

[Giovonny]

Sexual Frustration = Terrorism

I remember a few years ago, I started getting frustrated.. I wanted cute 18 and 19 year old girls but I didn't know how to get them.. I was in my early 30's..

I said -- "fuck it". I'm going to go to a university and talk to one hundred 18/19 year olds until I get one.

That was one of the greatest decisions I ever made, it saved me from a life of frustration.

This little coward was not willing to work hard. He wasn't willing to fight for what he wanted.