[DaveR]

(05-14-2014 07:54 PM)Rutting Elephant Wrote:  

Other countries are good not for running to, but as better places to risk unwanted pregnancies.

Exactly. I don't think the cut and run idea is realistic, because you would still have to file your tax return with the IRS each year. It's getting very difficult for Americans abroad to lay low because of new laws like FATCAt and the pressure that the US can put on smaller countries by blocking trade.

It would only work if the guy has another citizenship and is willing to renounce.

[The Trader]

Well I keep on getting an error message when trying to post the screenshots, I will download on the laptop and try again later. It says the image is too large but at 157.5kb's thats hard to believe. This is straight up legit in every detail. As far as the paper goes, it isn't hard if you are persistent, I'm 39, been doing what I do for 13 years, look at my handle, its what I do, for a large regional bank in derivatives. There are cats out there that make double and triple that and they are 5 years younger then me. Its doable....and I wont forget to post the proof so as to call off the witchhunt! wow!

[Quintus Curtius]

I smell a rat here.

Troll alert.

[The Trader]

Wow, Quintus and your one of my favorite authors on RoK.
Not to worry, I'll go quiet till I pull up some pics.
Cheers,
Edit: But if you are satisfied with my pics, a rep point would be nice to make this water under the bridge, haha

[DaveR]

(05-14-2014 09:05 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

(05-14-2014 08:21 PM)The Trader Wrote:  

This just in via text:

"There really is just nothing else to say. You've made your point. I have made mine. I really do not need you for anything, financial or emotional. Take a screenshot of this. I do mean it. When the time comes, I will give you the option of signing all custodial rights/obligations away. As I mentioned before, the only thing that I ask is for you to answer genetics questions. Other than that you can move right along. This is the best thing for everyone."

Yeah right on the financial. You can hope and pray but I smell

I'm not a lawyer, but I think it's impossible for her to pledge/contract away her statutory right to child support. Maybe some lawyers here can elaborate.

[pheonix500000]

(05-14-2014 09:22 PM)Quintus Curtius Wrote:  

I smell a rat here.

Troll alert.

it is dude

[Tuthmosis]

Oh look, this thing still has some charge leftover from the other day:

[Tuthmosis]

I'm thinking of switching to a Rock/People's Elbow theme for my future extended ban hammers.

[The Lizard of Oz]

This was a textbook female feminist troll, one of the very worst types. I'm a little unhappy so many guys fell for it.

The point of this troll is to demonstrate the callousness and mendacity of men. Look at this fake text exchange, which is the single worst thing about the entire troll job:

(05-14-2014 08:21 PM)The Trader Wrote:  

This just in via text:

"There really is just nothing else to say. You've made your point. I have made mine. I really do not need you for anything, financial or emotional. Take a screenshot of this. I do mean it. When the time comes, I will give you the option of signing all custodial rights/obligations away. As I mentioned before, the only thing that I ask is for you to answer genetics questions. Other than that you can move right along. This is the best thing for everyone."

While I felt hurt for a few seconds do to a feeling of guilt. I am over it already. At the end of the day, if I tried to 'hang in there' because its the martyr's way, I would have been very miserble and resented them both immediately and always for having my wings clipped when I didn't want them to be. Then, after a couple years of co-habitating, which would also have been horrible, I would have been forced into the commonlaw swindle which is as bad as a divorce in the courts eyes, and been raped. I think I was just used as a sperm donor..

The "female" text is essentially noble, whereas the "guy" is a heartless dick. Not only that, but the guy (supposedly making "a quarter buck" a year) can't spell to save his life, whereas her spelling is impeccably perfect.

There were more red flags here than in a Seville bull fight. 250k a year for a guy who can't spell for shit? "Soo....", "Ok.....", "bird"... this fortuitous "FWB" "preggers" just a month after joining. And many more, these are just the obvious ones.

Don't fall for false flag trolls that are trying to make the forum look bad. The father/stepmother inheritance one was a little more primitive and this is a little better, but these female feminists are the trolls I hate the most and guys should get better at seeing what's up.

[Wadsworth]

OP isn't 39. Simple.

(05-14-2014 10:23 PM)The Lizard of Oz Wrote:  

Don't fall for false flag trolls that are trying to make the forum look bad. The father/stepmother inheritance one was a little more primitive and this is a little better, but these female feminists are the trolls I hate the most and guys should get better at seeing what's up.

Yeah, we were all supposed to say nasty things about women before the big reveal.

[cooledcannon]

(05-14-2014 10:23 PM)The Lizard of Oz Wrote:  

Don't fall for false flag trolls that are trying to make the forum look bad. The father/stepmother inheritance one was a little more primitive and this is a little better, but these female feminists are the trolls I hate the most and guys should get better at seeing what's up.

What was with the father/stepmother inheritance? What did the "OP" in the story do wrong, or seem trollish? Im not very good at detecting trolls, I just assume many people are retarded(instead of trolling)

[Wadsworth]

(05-15-2014 01:42 AM)cooledcannon Wrote:  

(05-14-2014 10:23 PM)The Lizard of Oz Wrote:  

Don't fall for false flag trolls that are trying to make the forum look bad. The father/stepmother inheritance one was a little more primitive and this is a little better, but these female feminists are the trolls I hate the most and guys should get better at seeing what's up.

What did the "OP" in the story do wrong, or seem trollish? Im not very good at detecting trolls, I just assume many people are retarded(instead of trolling)

This is a topic I feel strongly about and have some experience with, but the emotional tone of this one was odd right from the beginning. OP may not be a troll, but I'm leaning heavily to that side, particularly now that others think so too.

Oz has covered some major things, girlish use of language, poor grammar and spelling likely being inconsistent with claimed income, but there are still other signs.

-The emotional tone is wrong and frankly kinda weird. I've talked to dudes in this position, and they're usually angry and have their backs up. They're not talking about how much money they make or about how they're gonna help her move dirt in her garden etc.
-The resolution came within a few hours, and again the emotional tone was wrong. He felt guilt? He's an asshole like the other men? lol um.. normally they're asking what will happen if she changes her mind.
-Right at the beginning of the thread was a request to start a "how to convince a girl to have an abortion," which is nearly the exact title of a viral RoK article that got massive hate.
-Mentions age of the woman and a desire to get with a younger woman conspicuously several times.
-Uses the word deadbeat to describe how he feels (or rather doesn't feel)
-"They fought for the right to abort, we don't have that right to say anything, but these laws are not fair, that's for sure." This may be a somewhat reasonable sentiment, but it certainly isn't one normally uttered by a guy that's in this position, particularly since the problem is her refusal to abort.
-Just generally sounds like a female use of language in so many areas. For example "I just want no part of babies like this. Not like this. Not with her." or "lots of tears."
-It generally doesn't sound like an adult of 39.

And the post count that low? Again, could be legit, and if it is my apologies, but if I were to guess I'd have to agree with Oz.

[worldwidetraveler]

(05-14-2014 10:23 PM)The Lizard of Oz Wrote:  

Don't fall for false flag trolls that are trying to make the forum look bad. The father/stepmother inheritance one was a little more primitive and this is a little better, but these female feminists are the trolls I hate the most and guys should get better at seeing what's up.

So what if it was a troll? This is still a good topic to discuss. The topic, itself, doesn't make anyone look bad. I don't post for just the person asking the question but also for those reading the thread.

You don't think there aren't men out there that will be fathers even though they don't want to be?

It's topics like these that will help young men in the same sitution to calm down and give them enough guidance to start protecting themselves. Even if this was a feminist troll, I see no problem putting women on notice that guys won't simply accept their decisions and will fight every step of the way. The more we talk, discuss and exchange information, the more we can protect ourselves. These types of topics are far more deserving of discussion than most of the stuff I have seen posted lately.

[worldwidetraveler]

(05-14-2014 09:07 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

If they go to college, yes.

Also, I dated a girl once who said her mother didn't collect on child support for 15 years, then fell onto hard times and went back to court for help.

The court the ordered he pay back all 15 years of child support he missed, plus interest and inflation, and continue to pay for her until she was done with college.

This girl also used to beg me to cum inside of her too.

I think the gov is starting to make women go after child support if they need any type of welfare. That means if she falls on hard times she will have to go after child support (I bet the judge also awards arrears) even if she doesn't want to do it.

For the next 18 to 21 years, there will always be a shadow of a noose hanging around his neck. haha

[Nolecbo]

(05-14-2014 07:57 PM)Onto Wrote:  

(05-14-2014 07:42 PM)worldwidetraveler Wrote:  

Onto, I have no idea what you're talking about when throwing these figures around.

If the guy doesn't want to be part of the kid's life, he just pays the monthly child support payment and calls it a day.

He isn't going to be paying additional money for braces and private schools. The chick can do that if the child support payments aren't enough.

It depends on the State, if we are talking about New York State then I am correct and you are not.

The thread might be a troll, but on this point Onto is correct.

NY State Division of Child Support Enforcement Wrote:

The court uses a standard guideline to calculate what you will pay, based on your adjusted gross income and on the number of children involved. The court first determines your gross income, and then makes certain deductions (including Medicare, Social Security, and New York City or Yonkers tax) to establish your adjusted gross income. The court then multiplies the adjusted gross income by the standard guideline percentage for the number of children. These percentages are as follows:
17% for one child
25% for two children
29% for three children
31% for four children
at least 35% for five or more children.

Then your share of child care, medical, and educational expenses is added to the income percentage amount. The combined amount, percentage of income plus share of expenses, is the basic child support amount.

https://www.childsupport.ny.gov/dcse/non..._info.html

[worldwidetraveler]

(05-15-2014 05:43 AM)Nolecbo Wrote:  

(05-14-2014 07:57 PM)Onto Wrote:  

(05-14-2014 07:42 PM)worldwidetraveler Wrote:  

Onto, I have no idea what you're talking about when throwing these figures around.

If the guy doesn't want to be part of the kid's life, he just pays the monthly child support payment and calls it a day.

He isn't going to be paying additional money for braces and private schools. The chick can do that if the child support payments aren't enough.

It depends on the State, if we are talking about New York State then I am correct and you are not.

The thread might be a troll, but on this point Onto is correct.

NY State Division of Child Support Enforcement Wrote:

The court uses a standard guideline to calculate what you will pay, based on your adjusted gross income and on the number of children involved. The court first determines your gross income, and then makes certain deductions (including Medicare, Social Security, and New York City or Yonkers tax) to establish your adjusted gross income. The court then multiplies the adjusted gross income by the standard guideline percentage for the number of children. These percentages are as follows:
17% for one child
25% for two children
29% for three children
31% for four children
at least 35% for five or more children.

Then your share of child care, medical, and educational expenses is added to the income percentage amount. The combined amount, percentage of income plus share of expenses, is the basic child support amount.

https://www.childsupport.ny.gov/dcse/non..._info.html

First, we don't even know if the OP was based in New York.

Second, Onto is telling the OP to run to another country while he sits in the comforts of his own home.

Third, most expenses will be outlined by the court and that is based on the specifics of both parties. Onto's outline doesn't mean it is the same for every couple in the state of New York.

Paying your share doesn't mean the woman isn't paying as well. If the woman can't pay her share of private school there will be no private school. Fight for custody if you don't want her to make the decisions. It worked out for El Mech but he isn't afraid of getting his hands dirty.

My uncle got sued for out of state college tuition because tuition was part of his divorce settlement. He had and was willing to pay for in state tuition but not out of state. He ended up winning the case.

[Dr. Howard]

(05-14-2014 09:28 PM)DaveR Wrote:  

(05-14-2014 09:05 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

(05-14-2014 08:21 PM)The Trader Wrote:  

This just in via text:

"There really is just nothing else to say. You've made your point. I have made mine. I really do not need you for anything, financial or emotional. Take a screenshot of this. I do mean it. When the time comes, I will give you the option of signing all custodial rights/obligations away. As I mentioned before, the only thing that I ask is for you to answer genetics questions. Other than that you can move right along. This is the best thing for everyone."

Yeah right on the financial. You can hope and pray but I smell

I'm not a lawyer, but I think it's impossible for her to pledge/contract away her statutory right to child support. Maybe some lawyers here can elaborate.

Correct, you can't magically abdicate your obligation through anything short of the mother putting the kid up for adoption (see that guy who was a sperm donor getting hit up for support for example)

How fucked up is that though? Not only can a woman unilaterally have or abort a child but she can also go right ahead and put the child up for adoption. She 'doesn't want the child' but no one is going to come after her for support after the fact for wanting nothing to do with her child via adoption.

Oh what a world

[Samseau]

(05-15-2014 07:11 AM)Dr. Howard Wrote:  

(05-14-2014 09:28 PM)DaveR Wrote:  

(05-14-2014 09:05 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

(05-14-2014 08:21 PM)The Trader Wrote:  

This just in via text:

"There really is just nothing else to say. You've made your point. I have made mine. I really do not need you for anything, financial or emotional. Take a screenshot of this. I do mean it. When the time comes, I will give you the option of signing all custodial rights/obligations away. As I mentioned before, the only thing that I ask is for you to answer genetics questions. Other than that you can move right along. This is the best thing for everyone."

Yeah right on the financial. You can hope and pray but I smell

I'm not a lawyer, but I think it's impossible for her to pledge/contract away her statutory right to child support. Maybe some lawyers here can elaborate.

Correct, you can't magically abdicate your obligation through anything short of the mother putting the kid up for adoption (see that guy who was a sperm donor getting hit up for support for example)

How fucked up is that though? Not only can a woman unilaterally have or abort a child but she can also go right ahead and put the child up for adoption. She 'doesn't want the child' but no one is going to come after her for support after the fact for wanting nothing to do with her child via adoption.

Oh what a world

What if the woman never reveals who the father is? She just says, "I don't know who it is?"

[The Beast1]

I'm honestly suspect of anyone asking for this type of advice with such a low post count and join date.

If a regular poster with a 500+ post count asked this, i'd be more able to help. I'd be ashamed to open an account here and then ask such a question. You don't go up to guys you don't know and ask for help. You have to be known first.

Side note too, i've gotten some PMs from low post count users asking to meet up with me in Boston. Honestly, i don't think that's such a good idea. Anyone else run into this?

[Onto]

(05-15-2014 06:20 AM)worldwidetraveler Wrote:  

(05-15-2014 05:43 AM)Nolecbo Wrote:  

(05-14-2014 07:57 PM)Onto Wrote:  

(05-14-2014 07:42 PM)worldwidetraveler Wrote:  

Onto, I have no idea what you're talking about when throwing these figures around.

If the guy doesn't want to be part of the kid's life, he just pays the monthly child support payment and calls it a day.

He isn't going to be paying additional money for braces and private schools. The chick can do that if the child support payments aren't enough.

It depends on the State, if we are talking about New York State then I am correct and you are not.

The thread might be a troll, but on this point Onto is correct.

NY State Division of Child Support Enforcement Wrote:

The court uses a standard guideline to calculate what you will pay, based on your adjusted gross income and on the number of children involved. The court first determines your gross income, and then makes certain deductions (including Medicare, Social Security, and New York City or Yonkers tax) to establish your adjusted gross income. The court then multiplies the adjusted gross income by the standard guideline percentage for the number of children. These percentages are as follows:
17% for one child
25% for two children
29% for three children
31% for four children
at least 35% for five or more children.

Then your share of child care, medical, and educational expenses is added to the income percentage amount. The combined amount, percentage of income plus share of expenses, is the basic child support amount.

https://www.childsupport.ny.gov/dcse/non..._info.html

First, we don't even know if the OP was based in New York.

Second, Onto is telling the OP to run to another country while he sits in the comforts of his own home.

Third, most expenses will be outlined by the court and that is based on the specifics of both parties. Onto's outline doesn't mean it is the same for every couple in the state of New York.

Paying your share doesn't mean the woman isn't paying as well. If the woman can't pay her share of private school there will be no private school. Fight for custody if you don't want her to make the decisions. It worked out for El Mech but he isn't afraid of getting his hands dirty.

My uncle got sued for out of state college tuition because tuition was part of his divorce settlement. He had and was willing to pay for in state tuition but not out of state. He ended up winning the case.

First of all I never said he should run. I said he needs to evaluate his financial situation, liability and life goals and then make a decision.

I get the sense you want to pick a fight with me, because you are misrepresenting what I've said and then even go so far as to say I'm wrong about the child support obligations in a state that I'm not only paying in but have gone through the whole system with.

What is your first hand experience on the subject?

That's what I thought.

I don't think you're doing anyone a service on such an important topic as this if you haven't either lived it yourself or you really know what the law is.

You accused me of fear-mongering. I think you're sugar-coating the whole thing. Men who have lived it first hand and especially with a woman who has a psychological ax to grind with the Father don't treat the subject with and "Oh well, no biggie" attitude.

For me, at 43 and after suffering for 16 years I would think long and hard about enduring another 21 year sentence at this point in my life.

As I said, the decision to stay or run is a personal choice based on many factors of the individual's life and the woman he would be getting involved with.

[worldwidetraveler]

(05-15-2014 07:47 AM)Onto Wrote:  

First of all I never said he should run. I said he needs to evaluate his financial situation, liability and life goals and then make a decision.

I get the sense you want to pick a fight with me, because you are misrepresenting what I've said and then even go so far as to say I'm wrong about the child support obligations in a state that I'm not only paying in but have gone through the whole system with.

What is your first hand experience on the subject?

That's what I thought.

I don't think you're doing anyone a service on such an important topic as this if you haven't either lived it yourself or you really know what the law is.

What state that this supposed pregnancy happened?

You seem to be giving advice as if you know the laws in the state yet you tell me I need to have gone through child support in order to speak.

You are the one that brought up Vietnam. That is what you call a service? Fear mongering isn't a service it is fear.

You obviously made some bad choices in your life and it comes out in your posts.

Quote:

What is your first hand experience on the subject?

Ah the expert in universal child support. Me? I have had several friends and families in different states (different countries) that have gone through the system. I, personally, helped design and create a particular country's child support system.

[Onto]

(05-15-2014 08:06 AM)worldwidetraveler Wrote:  

(05-15-2014 07:47 AM)Onto Wrote:  

First of all I never said he should run. I said he needs to evaluate his financial situation, liability and life goals and then make a decision.

I get the sense you want to pick a fight with me, because you are misrepresenting what I've said and then even go so far as to say I'm wrong about the child support obligations in a state that I'm not only paying in but have gone through the whole system with.

What is your first hand experience on the subject?

That's what I thought.

I don't think you're doing anyone a service on such an important topic as this if you haven't either lived it yourself or you really know what the law is.

What state that this supposed pregnancy happened?

You seem to be giving advice as if you know the laws in the state yet you tell me I need to have gone through child support in order to speak.

You are the one that brought up Vietnam. That is what you call a service? Fear mongering isn't a service it is fear.

You obviously made some bad choices in your life and it comes out in your posts.

Quote:

What is your first hand experience on the subject?

Ah the expert in universal child support. Me? I have had several friends and families in different states (different countries) that have gone through the system. I, personally, helped design and create a particular country's child support system.

It's obvious you haven't read any of my posts that give advice on how to deal with her and if he stays.

You just latched on to a suggestion for relocation and ran with that.

(05-15-2014 08:06 AM)worldwidetraveler Wrote:  

I, personally, helped design and create a particular country's child support system.

What kind of man spends their time and energy helping to enable women to castrate men?

Now I'm starting to understand who you are and what your beef is with me.

[worldwidetraveler]

(05-15-2014 08:16 AM)Onto Wrote:  

What kind of man spends their time and energy helping to enable women to castrate men?

Now I'm starting to understand who you are and what your beef is with me.

Jesus man, get a grip. If a woman can castrate you then you don't deserve to have a dick.

I get it, you hate your life. It comes out in your posts.

[Dr. Howard]

(05-15-2014 07:12 AM)Samseau Wrote:  

(05-15-2014 07:11 AM)Dr. Howard Wrote:  

(05-14-2014 09:28 PM)DaveR Wrote:  

(05-14-2014 09:05 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

(05-14-2014 08:21 PM)The Trader Wrote:  

This just in via text:

"There really is just nothing else to say. You've made your point. I have made mine. I really do not need you for anything, financial or emotional. Take a screenshot of this. I do mean it. When the time comes, I will give you the option of signing all custodial rights/obligations away. As I mentioned before, the only thing that I ask is for you to answer genetics questions. Other than that you can move right along. This is the best thing for everyone."

Yeah right on the financial. You can hope and pray but I smell

I'm not a lawyer, but I think it's impossible for her to pledge/contract away her statutory right to child support. Maybe some lawyers here can elaborate.

Correct, you can't magically abdicate your obligation through anything short of the mother putting the kid up for adoption (see that guy who was a sperm donor getting hit up for support for example)

How fucked up is that though? Not only can a woman unilaterally have or abort a child but she can also go right ahead and put the child up for adoption. She 'doesn't want the child' but no one is going to come after her for support after the fact for wanting nothing to do with her child via adoption.

Oh what a world

What if the woman never reveals who the father is? She just says, "I don't know who it is?"

that would definitely work, but again the woman has to be complicit. You can't have her sign a contract that she will deny knowledge of who the father is.

That being said though, I think if you're going to raw dog, best to do it under an assumed name haha.

[Samseau]

(05-15-2014 08:06 AM)worldwidetraveler Wrote:  

Ah the expert in universal child support. Me? I have had several friends and families in different states (different countries) that have gone through the system. I, personally, helped design and create a particular country's child support system.

What country? How did you design it? Did the manosphere influence you in any way?

Please tell me there is one non-fucked up male-friendly country in the world god.